Re: FS: Prime Lenses (135/1.8)

[Bmacrae]

In a message dated 8/1/2002 8:04:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> 24/2.8 SMC   Ex.case
> 85/1.4 A* Ex.   soft case, hood
> 135/1.8 A*   Ex.+   case
> 200/2.8 A*   Ex.+   case
> 300/4 A*  Bgn.
> 

It's like a peaceful dream.



}~)

-Brendan MacRae
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Re: Subject: LX repair update

[Bmacrae]

Gee, I've never had a single problem with my LX. In fact, I've never had a 
serious problem with any Pentax camera I've owned. That's about 16 years 
worth of picture taking. Granted I'm not a pro and I don't use my gear on a 
daily basis but not a single camera body issue that required service in that 
length of time is a damn good record.

I have had a wonky meter in a K1000 that liked to conk out in the vertical 
position (typical) and a slightly warped Super A lens mount. That's it. I 
ignored the first problem and swapped out the mount in the second. Maybe I'm 
blessed.

Knock wood.

-Brendan MacRae
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Re: Subject: LX repair update

[Alan Chan]

>I have found the LX's i've owned to be quite unreliable also and they seem
>to enjoy the company of my service tech, in fact my remaining was is there
>right now :). I found the MZ-S pretty unreliable also. Although my  first
>MZ5n was super reliable never missed a beat and i gave it hell. (not the 
>one
>i sold you Cory:)
>
>Dont worry we'll still let you hand around if you switch to Leica :)

Perhaps Pentax tried too hard on LX and MZ-S? Glad I still have my Z-1p.

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: 'Best' photos of the year

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

Snapped at the right moment. Amazing.
Do you have anymore collections as this one?
Cheers,
Ayash.

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Cotty wrote:

> A friend sent me this URL with 20 odd shots that you may find amusing...
> http://home.pacbell.net/rds33/best_photos/index.html#top
> enjoy,
> Cotty
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Re: Subject: LX repair update

[Paul Jones]

I have found the LX's i've owned to be quite unreliable also and they seem
to enjoy the company of my service tech, in fact my remaining was is there
right now :). I found the MZ-S pretty unreliable also. Although my  first
MZ5n was super reliable never missed a beat and i gave it hell. (not the one
i sold you Cory:)

Dont worry we'll still let you hand around if you switch to Leica :)

Regards,
Paul

- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Subject: LX repair update


> - Original Message -
> From: Matjaz Osojnik
> Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update
>
>
> > >
> >
> > I wonder why you have choosen Nikon, then?
>
> Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon.
> I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again
> with a Leica system.
> William Robb
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Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?

[Don Williams Finland]

No calibration needed. Take it apart in a methodical way and put it back in
the reverse order. Work on sheets of clean laser printer paper on top of a
couple of pieces of paper towel. Can you remove and replace a camera body
screw without changing the shape or appearance of the screw-head? If this is
true you can probably dismantle and reassemble a lens.

And I said before it is wise to avoid scrubbing the glass with lens cleaning
tissue soaked in 'optical cleaning fluids' such as those made by Kaiser and
other photo companies. They will spread any oily residue evenly all over the
glass surface. Just use soap and water then get rid of it.

Of course if you are a stone-mason, or a cello player, your hands might be a
bit rough and then you'd have to be careful about cleaning the elements with
fingers. The coating is rather delicate and can easily be scratched. But,
believe it or not, it would take a lot of scratching to degrade the
performance of the lens so you'd notice. Keep tools and fingers away from
the diaphragm.

In Africa fungi grow on camera lenses like crazy. After cleaning them I put
the lens barrel and all the other metal parts in a lab dissector in which
there was a small beaker containing a solution of formaldehyde. The vapour
killed any remains spores and hyphae lurking there and ready to start
growing as soon as the lens was put back together. I don't recommend
formalin. It's nasty stuff and we know a lot more about it now than we did
in those days.

D

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Kristian Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?


> Hi Don,
>
> That's just about possible for me to do -- I might even be able to talk
> my way into getting use of a lab..
>
> Problem is that I couldn't calibrate the lens afterwards :-(
>
> ... I'll just have to look for one without fungus, I think.
>
> --
> Kristian
>
>
> On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 01:52  pm, Don Williams Finland wrote:
>
> > Dismantle the lens. Clean all glass parts in hot soapy water with the
> > fingers - Fairy Liquid is good. Dry glass components, on edge, on a
> > clean
> > surface in a dust free place - after rinsing off all traces of soap
> > with tap
> > water, followed by distilled water. Don't be tempted by solvents like
> > alcohol. When dry put in microwave for a few seconds to evaporate the
> > adsorbed water molecules. Blow off all dust that attaches itself to
> > glass as
> > you reassemble the lens. When lens is all nicely back together put it
> > in a
> > container that can be tightly sealed with a few packets of fresh or
> > regenerated desiccant bags. Keep that way for a day or two. If the
> > fungus
> > reappears follow instructions given by Bob. Ideally this should be done
> > is a
> > dust free environment - a microbiology laboratory glove box perhaps? Of
> > course if you don't have the tools needed for this job you'll need to
> > borrow
> > or buy them.
> >
> > D
> >
> > Dr E D F Williams
> >
> > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> > Updated: March 30, 2002
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
> >
> >
> >> Yup!
> >>
> >> Bet that in my younger days I could have gotten 92 mph out of a 50/1.4!
> >>
> >> (that's 148 km for you Canucks, Brits, Frenchies, Spaniards, Italians
> >> and
> > others who bowed
> >> to the metric gods...)
> >>
> >> Perfection is 90 feet between bases!
> >>
> >> Har!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bob...
> >> ---
> >> "In the carboniferous epoch
> >> we were promised perpetual peace.
> >> They swore if we gave up our weapons
> >> that the wars of the tribes would cease.
> >> But when we disarmed they sold us,
> >> and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
> >> And the gods of the copybook headings said,
> >> 'Stick to the devil you know.' "
> >> --Rudyard Kipling
> >>
> >> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi, Bob,
> >>>
> >>> Did you go to the "Nolan Ryan School of Photography"?  
> >>>
> >>> -frank
> >>>
> >>> Bob Blakely wrote:
> >>>
>  Fungus remedy:
> 
>  1.Find a brick or concrete wall.
>  2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall.
>  3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your
> > hand on top of the
>  lens barrel and the "pocket" formed by your thumb and curled third
>  and
> > forth fingers.
>  4.Turn so that you are "3/4" facing the wall, keep your eye on
>  the
> > wall.
>  5.Lean back, placing your weight on your rear foot, lifting your
> > forward foot.
> >> Stretch
>  your forward arm out toward the wall.
>  6.Begin to p

Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update

[Bruce Dayton]

Alan,

You're not alone.  I have resisted buying one for quite some time
based largely on how much I read about it's problems.  You don't hear
nearly as much about problems with MX's or SuperPrograms, etc.


Bruce



Thursday, August 1, 2002, 9:03:28 PM, you wrote:

AC> It's good to know there is someone who shares my view on the LX.

AC> regards,
AC> Alan Chan

>>I was talking to the fellow who I sold my F3 to when I was
>>financing the move to Pentax. He is a busy working pro, and
>>figures in the past 15 years since he bought the camera he has
>>put about 10,000 rolls of film through it. The thing has never
>>seen a repair shop, and has worked flawlessly for him. I
>>probably ran a couple of thousand rolls through it myself, with
>>no trouble, so it has seen a whole bunch of use.
>>The F2 that I owned prior to the F3 went to hell and beyond for
>>me, and faithfully served me for 10 years, then served it's next
>>owner just as faithfully for another 16 years until a boating
>>accident finally killed it.
>>Up until then, it was in the repair shop once, 6 months after
>>going naked through the windscreen of my car at close to 50 MPH
>>
>>Meanwhile, my LX's seem to last about a year and a half between
>>expensive repair jobs.
>>I do like them, but I am glad I don't have to depend on them to
>>put food on the table.
>>I am also glad I am able to afford to keep them in the
>>gentrified lifestyle they demand.
>>
>>My 3 LX's will cost in excess of $1200.00 this year in repairs.
>>Based on the amount of film I shoot with them, and the repair
>>frequency, I figure I am paying about $12.00 per roll of film,
>>plus the cost of the film and processing, for the pleasure of
>>using Pentax's finest camera bodies.
>>Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based
>>on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with
>>absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price.
>>What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I
>>don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound
>>on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run
>>enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable
>>as they should be.
>>
>>I did talk to the Pentax service manager today. He seemed quite
>>annoyed with my plight, including apologizing for his staff
>>member lying to me (his words, not mine).
>>It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the
>>repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some
>>modifications were done during the production life, and my
>>camera is one of the ones that was pre modification.
>>He seems to think it is repairable, but he doesn't know quite
>>how long it will take.
>>
>>Thanks
>>William Robb


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Re: Subject: LX repair update

[Alan Chan]

It's good to know there is someone who shares my view on the LX.

regards,
Alan Chan

>I was talking to the fellow who I sold my F3 to when I was
>financing the move to Pentax. He is a busy working pro, and
>figures in the past 15 years since he bought the camera he has
>put about 10,000 rolls of film through it. The thing has never
>seen a repair shop, and has worked flawlessly for him. I
>probably ran a couple of thousand rolls through it myself, with
>no trouble, so it has seen a whole bunch of use.
>The F2 that I owned prior to the F3 went to hell and beyond for
>me, and faithfully served me for 10 years, then served it's next
>owner just as faithfully for another 16 years until a boating
>accident finally killed it.
>Up until then, it was in the repair shop once, 6 months after
>going naked through the windscreen of my car at close to 50 MPH
>
>Meanwhile, my LX's seem to last about a year and a half between
>expensive repair jobs.
>I do like them, but I am glad I don't have to depend on them to
>put food on the table.
>I am also glad I am able to afford to keep them in the
>gentrified lifestyle they demand.
>
>My 3 LX's will cost in excess of $1200.00 this year in repairs.
>Based on the amount of film I shoot with them, and the repair
>frequency, I figure I am paying about $12.00 per roll of film,
>plus the cost of the film and processing, for the pleasure of
>using Pentax's finest camera bodies.
>Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based
>on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with
>absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price.
>What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I
>don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound
>on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run
>enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable
>as they should be.
>
>I did talk to the Pentax service manager today. He seemed quite
>annoyed with my plight, including apologizing for his staff
>member lying to me (his words, not mine).
>It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the
>repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some
>modifications were done during the production life, and my
>camera is one of the ones that was pre modification.
>He seems to think it is repairable, but he doesn't know quite
>how long it will take.
>
>Thanks
>William Robb


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In Search of spare parts

[Jim Fellows]

I hope somebody on the list maybe able to help me out.  I am looking for the
folling parts to put back to gather one and possibly two Super Programs.

I need the spring and small metal rod used under the mode or exposer
selector dial.  The one that sets the camera to off, program, manual, X, and
B.  I would like to get two of each if possible.

The second item I need is the ASA and exposer compensation dial.  I need the
lwer, lager section of the assembly, but would prefer the whole thing if
anybody has it.

I would be very willing to buy a whole prts camera if it contained these
peices.

Feel free to contact me off list if you wish: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks

Jim Fellows
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RE: Re[2]: Windows 2000 "features"

[Rob Brigham]

ME to XP Pro took 2 hours - only 10 minutes of which required any input
from me.

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 01 August 2002 23:40
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Windows 2000 "features"
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/1/2002 5:12:13 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
> > I can't imagine what the jump from Win98 to XP Pro
> > would be.
> > 
> 
> 98 to XP Home was a month-long nightmare at my house.
> 
> ERNR
> My photographs hang on the virtual walls at 
> http://members.aol.com/ernreed
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FS: Prime Lenses (135/1.8)

[JTodd19261]

Somebody from Australia got me started on selling my 135 f/1.8.  I have been 
holding out for a while, but I'm ready to dump for a D-60...providing I can 
get good bids on the 135 and others.  Everything hinges on the 135, however, 
since it is the only thing I have that Shel didn't offer to part with.  So 
here goes:  all with caps, please e-mail me directly with possible bids.  
Thanks,  Jay.

24/2.8 SMC   Ex.case
85/1.4 A* Ex.   soft case, hood
135/1.8 A*   Ex.+   case
200/2.8 A*   Ex.+   case
300/4 A*  Bgn.
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Re: 70-2x0 zoom question

[Fred]

> Someone else instead recommended the Pentax 70-210 zoom. Elsewhere
>I found a comment that the 70-210 zoom is not considered  highly.

The A 70-210/4 is an excellent lens.

Fred
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Re: ??? on SMC M 120/2.8 and street candids

[Fred]

> As you know, PDMLers love the SMC 135/2.5K. It's the default choice
> among 135s

It's "the poor man's A* 135/1.8".

Fred
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Re: 70-2x0 zoom question

[Fred]

> Since there are four of those it just complicates the heck out of
> this discussion.

I am aware of only two VS1 70-210/4 zooms.

Fred
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Re: 70-2x0 zoom question

[Fred]

> And don't forget the Vivitar Series 1 70-210 f/3.5!

Of the five manual focus VS1 70-210's, the first three (f/3.5 with
67mm threads, f/3.5 with 62mm threads, and f/2.8-4 with DOF lines
flaring out toward the zoom ring) appear to be very good lenses. The
last two are not usually as highly regarded as the first three.

> (Or is it a heresy? :)

Absolutely not.  Some third-party lenses can give certain
jen-you-wine Pentax lenses a run for their money.

Fred
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Re: 70-2x0 zoom question

[Fred]

> -- the venerable A 70-210/4 constant-aperture, non-autofocus,
> one-touch zoom lens (considered by many to be the best zoom in
> this range in terms of both optics and build quality,

At least, certainly one of the best.

> and a massive beast at ~150mm length and 680g mass).

Hmmm...  Myself, I never thought of the A 70-210/4 as very large at
all.  (???)  Oh well...

> Many folks on the list have remarked that there are two
> particularly outstanding zooms: one is this A 70-210/4, and the
> other is the A 35-105/3.5.

However, I personally think that the A 28-135/4 is the equal of the
A 35-105/3.5.

Fred
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Re: 43 Limited Lens Hood

[Joseph Tainter]

On the FA 31, the lens hood is built in. There are screw threads at the
lens mount (within the circumference of the hood) for filters. The lens
cover slips over the hood.

Joe
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Re: FS Pentax Original Fisheye GIFT PRICE

[frank theriault]

Hi, Robert,

You are obviously a parent.  After almost 20 years of parenthood, I constantly
amaze myself at how often (without realizing it) I recycle things my parents
said to me. 

"Now shake hands, boys, and make up!"

ciao,
frank

Robert Woerner wrote:

> ENOUGH.  You guys shake hands and make up.  It was a SIMPLE
> misunderstanding.  We are all friends here.
>

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fears it is true." -J. Robert
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Re: FS Pentax Original Fisheye GIFT PRICE

[Robert Woerner]

ENOUGH.  You guys shake hands and make up.  It was a SIMPLE
misunderstanding.  We are all friends here.

Regards,

Robert
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:20 AM
Subject: FS Pentax Original Fisheye GIFT PRICE


> Even if you don't want it, you can make a good difference on ebay...
>
> For Sale:
> SMC Pentax K, 17mm f4 Fisheye.
> Excellent condition. Lens body is in great condition, glass is perfect,
> without fungus or scratches. The only marks in the lens are in the corners
> of the built-in hood, where the slip-on cap sits, where the paint weared
> off, but it's a very very small area. The lens in in GREAT like new
> condition. It has built-in filters, gorgeous construction, and comes with
> both original caps, including the special front one.
> $ 270.- INCLUDING international insured shipping (35 usd cost).
> (keh asks 450 PLUS shipping for same condition)
> Contact me privately for more details
> Regards
>
> Albano
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Re: New lens don't work!

[frank theriault]

Hi, Paul,

I like to hear things like that!   The seller said that the lens worked
fine when he mailed it out.  By the time it got to Shel's, the aperture
wouldn't work.  So, I figured that a spring or something got jarred in
shipping.

I guess this is all conjecture at this point, but I've had two soothing
posts now, so maybe I can sleep tonight!(you know how it is, you
get a new toy, you want to play right away...)

thanks,
frank

Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote:

> Frank,
> I had the same problem with a newly bought Kiron 105/2.8 PK (not PKA)
> macro lens that I bought in 1999 or 2000. I sent it back for repair. The
> spring had come out of place.
>

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Re: New lens don't work!

[frank theriault]

Hi, Steve,

It's a constant aperture 3.8, which I understand may be a sharper lens.  Other
than the aperture, it seems in real good shape.  Glass clean and clear, little
or no wear on the barrel, and the rings have little or no play.

I have no idea what the shop will charge for a CLA, but I guess I'll find out
tomorrow.  I just hope they can get it done by next Thursday.  Going on
vacation, and I was really hoping to bring the new toy!

You have a 3.8, don't you?  I seem to recall you like it!

regards,
frank

Steve Larson wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>  Sorry to hear about your lens. A CLA should fix it up, most likely the
> helicoid grease froze up the aperture blades, or the spring broke.
> Is the lens a 3.5 or 3.8? The 3.5`s were early 1990`s, and the 3.8`s
> were 1980`s vintage.
> Steve Larson
> Redondo Beach, California
> - Original Message -
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:02 PM
> Subject: New lens don't work!
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > You may recall that a couple of months ago, I won a Vivitar Series 1 3.5
> > 24-48 on eBay.  I finally got it today, thanks to Shel's help.  (A bit
> > thank you to Shel, btw!)
> >
> > Unfortunately, the aperture doesn't work.  Stays open all the time.
> > Flicking the lever on the back of the lens (the one by the mount)
> > doesn't do anything.  Putting it on a body doesn't work.
> >
> > Has this ever happened to anybody?  Anyone know if it can be a quick
> > fix?  I'm hoping that some little spring inside is just out of whack or
> > broken or something.
> >
> > Just so you know (and so no one says "send it back to the vender!" or
> > anything), arrangements have been made with the vendor in the event that
> > I can get it fixed - if not, he'll take it back.  And, I'll be taking it
> > into my repair shop tomorrow.  I'm just wondering if it's something that
> > anyone here can shed some light on, so I know what to expect from Mr.
> > Repair Guy.
> >
> > thanks,
> > frank
> >
> > --
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> > pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
> > Oppenheimer
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Re: New lens don't work!

[Paul Franklin Stregevsky]

Frank,
I had the same problem with a newly bought Kiron 105/2.8 PK (not PKA)
macro lens that I bought in 1999 or 2000. I sent it back for repair. The
spring had come out of place.


frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Unfortunately, the aperture doesn't work.  Stays open all the time.
Flicking the lever on the back of the lens (the one by the mount)
doesn't do anything.  Putting it on a body doesn't work.

Has this ever happened to anybody?  Anyone know if it can be a quick
fix?  I'm hoping that some little spring inside is just out of whack or
broken or something.



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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Shaun Canning]

Absolutely correct Rob. I do an enormous amount of high-end geospatial data
analysis using various GIS packages. If you have a high-end PC running W2K
SP2 and good components, it will stay afloat for months on end. I have been
running now almost constantly for the last six months. The only
interruptions have been power blackouts. Bare in mind that the work I do
sometimes requires that the PC run for a full 24 hours just to perform one
calculation or analysis. Perhaps Linux would do as well or even better at
this, but the software I use is not available for Linux.

I do, however, sympathise with those still trying to run 95/98/ME on P2 or
P3 machines. Once you get the kernel stable, using all available patches and
plugs it will run OK, but doesn't take a lot to kill. I'm lucky I guess, as
I am running an Athlon T/Bird 1.8ghz with 1024mb of RAM, 2x80gb hdd and a
128mb graphics card. There's other stuff in it of course, but DVD's aren't
exactly work related...oops.

In a nutshell, computers are always horse for courses. The whole Mac-vs-PC
debate is now so passé as to be boring. We have all argued around the same
point for eons. The platforms do different things better than each other.
Graphic design for instance has been the bastion of Mac's forever.

If you want a Mac..Buy one. But be prepared for really expensive equipment
and a lack of software support if you want to do anything more than general
office related stuff or graphic design/image stuff. If you want a PC...buy
one. But be prepared to go top end, and don't settle for mediocre. You can
get a stompingly fast PC for less the price of a G4 case (althought the G4
does look s*#t hot in that sexy chromed case.)

Cheers

Shaun.

Shaun Canning
Department of Archaeology
School of European and Historical Studies
La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086.

Phone: 0414-967644
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On 1 Aug 2002 at 9:45, Cameron Hood wrote:

> That's why they are called a PC; a piece of crap. I will never buy
> another
> one of those stupid, tacky, advertisment-filled unreliable pieces
> of crap as
> long as I live.

Dude,

Chill. I've been snuggled in PC/Mac environs for years and I can tell
you that
a well spec'd well built PC using premium components will stay upright
under
heavy loads for far longer than any Mac given the same load. I have
the logs to
prove it. WK2 SP2 is very stable indeed, so much so it's scary :-)

Love Macs, love PC, hate crap hardware and cowboys,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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PhD Student
Department of Archaeology
School of European and Historical Studies
La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086.

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Re: RE: 70-2x0 zoom question

[John Glover]

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: RE: 70-2x0 zoom question


> Thanks for the help Bill. To confirm and clarify (a phrase learned at my
previous job with a Fortune 100 company), I have found these two lenses on
eBay and Adorama. Are these the "-- an F 70-210/4-5.6 (discontinued around
1991, considered by many to be the best of the autofocus zooms in this
range)" of which you speak?
>
> eBay: PENTAX TAKUMAR-F 70-210mm 4-5.6 AF ZOOM LENS
> Adorama: Pentax 70-210 4/5.6 Takumar-f Af Lns


The Takumar lens is an entirely different animal than the F70-210/4-5.6.  It
is a consumer level optic and not well regarded at all.  Make sure you get
the Pentax SMC-F 70-210the Takumar-F series of lenses were a budget
series, skimping on both quality of construction and lacking SMC coatings.

John
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Re: Subject: LX repair update

[Rob Studdert]

On 1 Aug 2002 at 18:44, William Robb wrote:

> Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon.
> I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again
> with a Leica system.
> William Robb

Har! SLR or M, out of the pan and into the fire! 

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Re: Windows 2000 "features"

[Peter Alling]

Both actually, but who know's what Microsoft will end up doing.  Win/Dos
was supposed to end with Win95 then Win98 was to be the last edition, it 
finally
was ended with WinME.  XP is sort of the WinME interface made more 
"friendly" with
bright colors and fewer options, grafted onto the NTFS file system, (OK so 
that was a
bit redundant).

At 11:56 AM 8/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>True, true.  And, it does seem to me that Win XP Home is finally
>>more like the NT-ish versions in many respects (rather than being a
>>rehashed Win 9x, like Win Me was).
>
>I have never understand the position of XP. Is it the successor of 9X or NT?
>
>regards,
>Alan Chan
>
>
>_
>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: 
>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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Re: sticky aperture ring - a-50/1.7

[Jim Fellows]

I was able to fix my 107 with my train tools as well:)
- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: sticky aperture ring - a-50/1.7


> Bill,
> I've done my share of mechanical repairs/rebuilds.
> You want to see my connecting rods?
> (My '61 Sunbeam Alpine that became a flowerpot around '71.)
> But for the lens repairs, I dragged out the HO train tools.
> Fine motor skills vs the more gross motor skills, I suppose.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << I tried to repair a sticky aperture ring on an A 50mm f/1.7,
>  after reading Alan Chan's very lucid description of how to do
>  it.
>  The lens mount is now doing time as a 35mm to view camera
>  adapter, the rest of the lens is now in the City of Regina
>  landfill.
>  I can strip and rebuild a BMW 3.0 liter inline 6, I can balance
>  the carbs on a 12 cylinder E-type Jaguar by ear, and I can
>  diagnose and repair almost any photo lab problem, but those
>  darned A series lenses don't like me at all.
>  William Robb >>
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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Rob Studdert]

On 1 Aug 2002 at 9:45, Cameron Hood wrote:

> That's why they are called a PC; a piece of crap. I will never buy another
> one of those stupid, tacky, advertisment-filled unreliable pieces of crap as
> long as I live.

Dude,

Chill. I've been snuggled in PC/Mac environs for years and I can tell you that 
a well spec'd well built PC using premium components will stay upright under 
heavy loads for far longer than any Mac given the same load. I have the logs to 
prove it. WK2 SP2 is very stable indeed, so much so it's scary :-)

Love Macs, love PC, hate crap hardware and cowboys,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: On how I officially entered to The Brotherhood (a bit long)

[Rob Studdert]

On 1 Aug 2002 at 9:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi, Rob, and thanks to all the other Brothers for your warm welcome.
> I finally fixed it, and you are right. It was the foam that was
> desintegrated. Luckily, I've some foamed tape (supposedly to put posters on the
> wall), cutted it to fit, and voila, it fits tight now. And it allowed the
> electric contact too. The only problem is that it seems the meter is waaay out,
> something close to 2 stops (I'll do some more serious tests later). It doesn't
> bother me too much, since I'll use my "serious" meter, my dear Gossen Lunapro F
> with that beast, to keep the package compact ;-) (seriously, 120 film is too
> expensive as to tolerate missing frames due to exposure errors). Regards

Hi Albano,

Excellent, I'm glad that half your problem is solved. If you can prove that the 
meter error is linear in its response then all you need to do in order to 
compensate is to dial up the ISO + or - the error factor. 

Also when you were comparing meters beware that the 67 TTL prism is a full 
frame averaging meter, it has an entirely different response to the LX or other 
centre weighted meters. So if you want to check the meter accurately make sure 
that you use a nice evenly illuminated white wall or better still put the 
camera on a light table. 

>From recollection (as I no longer have a P67) the meter is a bridge type so it 
doesn't slowly loose sensitivity as the battery becomes exhausted. When I owned 
the P67 and TTL prism I rarely relied upon the TTL meter for anything but macro 
shooting, I have had much better success with external meters.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: Question for you darkroom gurus

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Bill Owens
Subject: Question for you darkroom gurus


> I picked up a couple of print drums today (used) and would
like some insight
> into how much chemistry to place in them.  One is 8x10, the
other 11x14.

When I was rolling prints, I used 250ml of developer, and
replenished at a rate of 40ml of developer per 8x10, and 70ml of
developer per 11x14.
This was with EP-2, so the rates will be wrong for RA-4.
William Robb
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Re: Subject: LX repair update

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Matjaz Osojnik
Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update


> >
>
> I wonder why you have choosen Nikon, then?

Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon.
I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again
with a Leica system.
William Robb
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Re: Subject: LX repair update

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update


> Bill, this is where I really sympathize with you. You have to
put up with enough crap shooting with Pentax, and then they wind
up sticking it to you too. After a certain point you've had
enough and want to deal with a company that takes their business
seriously, and not some kind of hobby.

I was talking to the fellow who I sold my F3 to when I was
financing the move to Pentax. He is a busy working pro, and
figures in the past 15 years since he bought the camera he has
put about 10,000 rolls of film through it. The thing has never
seen a repair shop, and has worked flawlessly for him. I
probably ran a couple of thousand rolls through it myself, with
no trouble, so it has seen a whole bunch of use.
The F2 that I owned prior to the F3 went to hell and beyond for
me, and faithfully served me for 10 years, then served it's next
owner just as faithfully for another 16 years until a boating
accident finally killed it.
Up until then, it was in the repair shop once, 6 months after
going naked through the windscreen of my car at close to 50 MPH

Meanwhile, my LX's seem to last about a year and a half between
expensive repair jobs.
I do like them, but I am glad I don't have to depend on them to
put food on the table.
I am also glad I am able to afford to keep them in the
gentrified lifestyle they demand.

My 3 LX's will cost in excess of $1200.00 this year in repairs.
Based on the amount of film I shoot with them, and the repair
frequency, I figure I am paying about $12.00 per roll of film,
plus the cost of the film and processing, for the pleasure of
using Pentax's finest camera bodies.
Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based
on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with
absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price.
What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I
don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound
on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run
enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable
as they should be.

I did talk to the Pentax service manager today. He seemed quite
annoyed with my plight, including apologizing for his staff
member lying to me (his words, not mine).
It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the
repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some
modifications were done during the production life, and my
camera is one of the ones that was pre modification.
He seems to think it is repairable, but he doesn't know quite
how long it will take.

Thanks
William Robb
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Re: Windows 2000 "features"

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:49:15 -0500, Len Paris wrote:

> I'm not real sure that XP was actually intended to be the
> successor of NT.  It was definitely intended to be the successor
> of Win98SE and Win98ME, though.  I think that the intended
> successor to NT is Win2K.  Not necessarily the early version of
> Win2K but the new version.

According to the original (pre) announcements, Win2K was originally
intended to merge the platform so MS only has to develop and support
one system, bringing the "personal" (95/98/ME) and "corporate" (NT)
users under the same umbrella.  XP is the follow-on to that effort.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Re: OT: Windows 2000 "features"

[Paul Franklin Stregevsky]

I can speak to this. I just upgraded my older home PC from Windows NT
4.0 to Windows 2000 Professional. According to Microsoft's published
requirements, my old hardware-a 230 MHz AMD chip with 160 MB of
RAM--could just get by. 

I wiped my old OS clean and installed Windows 2000.

Well, the PC wouldn't even boot. I had to upgrade to a modern
motherboard, with all-new RAM (I got 512 MB) and a faster CPU (I got a
1.3 MHz Celeron). Cost: $400, on top of the $160 new OS, which I had
bought by mail.

But I'm glad I upgraded. It's a modern, swift, stable OS that's a
pleasure to use. Shutting down takes 11 seconds. So what if some
software must be upgraded or patched? That's life in the PC age.

I do think that the hardware upgrades and "gotchas" will prove so
costly, in dollars and lost time, that your company would be better off
donating the old stuff and getting all-new PCs. A modern OS deserves a
modern graphics board, a fast system bus, USB support, and other
amenities. And at just $300 or so, a high-resolution 19-inch monitor can
be put on everyone's desk.

If your boss agrees to get new PCs, why not go straight to Windows XP?
My other home PC is an XP, and it's way cool, with lots of small touches
that make it ready for the future and a joy to use now.

I can't seem to get PostScript fonts to be recognized by either PC, but
I'm sure there's a trick.

Check out the archived articles on the two OSs at Ziff-Davis's site,
http://www.zdnet.com .

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Re: New lens don't work!

[Steve Larson]

Hi Frank,
 Sorry to hear about your lens. A CLA should fix it up, most likely the
helicoid grease froze up the aperture blades, or the spring broke.
Is the lens a 3.5 or 3.8? The 3.5`s were early 1990`s, and the 3.8`s
were 1980`s vintage. 
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:02 PM
Subject: New lens don't work!


> Hi,
> 
> You may recall that a couple of months ago, I won a Vivitar Series 1 3.5
> 24-48 on eBay.  I finally got it today, thanks to Shel's help.  (A bit
> thank you to Shel, btw!)
> 
> Unfortunately, the aperture doesn't work.  Stays open all the time.
> Flicking the lever on the back of the lens (the one by the mount)
> doesn't do anything.  Putting it on a body doesn't work.
> 
> Has this ever happened to anybody?  Anyone know if it can be a quick
> fix?  I'm hoping that some little spring inside is just out of whack or
> broken or something.
> 
> Just so you know (and so no one says "send it back to the vender!" or
> anything), arrangements have been made with the vendor in the event that
> I can get it fixed - if not, he'll take it back.  And, I'll be taking it
> into my repair shop tomorrow.  I'm just wondering if it's something that
> anyone here can shed some light on, so I know what to expect from Mr.
> Repair Guy.
> 
> thanks,
> frank
> 
> --
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> pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
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Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?

[Mark Roberts]

Kristian Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>That's just about possible for me to do -- I might even be able to talk 
>my way into getting use of a lab..
>
>Problem is that I couldn't calibrate the lens afterwards :-(

What's to calibrate?
-- 
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Re: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Bmacrae]

In a message dated 8/1/2002 4:05:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> That's right. Get a grip, folks. The stuff stinks. Try putting a Mac zip
> disk into a PC: just make sure you back everything up first. Blue screen of
> death ensues. Fatal error (whatever that means).
> 
> Put a PC zip disk in a Mac, and it will read it no problem.
> 

Oh my God. You're the one who needs to get a grip.

Mac's HAVE to support PC formatted disks since that's what the rest of the 
world runs on. Duh!

And, Apple stole everything about the MAC from Xerox PARC, just down the road 
from me in Silicon Valley. They stole the GUI, the Mouse, networking, 
email...everything! So, to say that Gate's was copying MACS is only accurate 
as long as you ackwnoledge that MACS are a ripoff in themselves! Like Steve 
Jobs is some saint. The guy's an total a-hole by reputation. Every bit as 
ruthless and cut-throat as Gate's (probably why they're both very rich).

By the way, Pirates of Silicon Valley is a stupid film. If you want to see 
something factually based and a heck of a lot more accurate and interesting 
see "The Triumph of the Nerds." It is a documentary about the battle over the 
home based PC. It's not some crappy dramatization of what went on.

>You think Enron was a scam; that's peanuts compared to the crap Bill Gates
and his weasel cohorts continue to foist on the public; and you eat it up in
droves. You get what you deserve, like your weasel of a president (nice
election Bush ran; good clean campaign).


I don't even klnow what this means? Nothing Bill Gate's did to acquire QDOS 
was illegal...what are you talking about?  And, like selling computers that 
are a lot more expensive than others that do the same things isn't snakeoil? 
I mean who are you kidding? Also, what the hell is the political commentary 
all about?

Weirdo...

-Brendan MacRae 
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Re: Windows 2000 "features"

[Mark Roberts]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm not real sure that XP was actually intended to be the
> successor of NT.  It was definitely intended to be the successor
> of Win98SE and Win98ME, though. 

XP is intended to be the replacement for 95/98/ME *and NT. Microsoft had been
fed up with supporting two different operating systems for some time and made no
secret of their desire to unify the two systems. It's built on NT-type
archetecture, but XP is intended to be the common upgrade from both Win2k (NT)
and 95/98/ME.
-- 
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RE: 70-2x0 zoom question

[Peter Alling]

Since there are four of those it just complicates the heck out of this 
discussion.

At 03:35 PM 8/1/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>And don't forget the Vivitar Series 1 70-210 f/3.5! (Or is it a heresy? :)
>
>£ukasz
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Re: PUG comments (august)

[Cotty]

>Tree, Lechlade 2002 by Cotty
>
>Again, asserting and denying symetry, now because of the change in 
>color in the reflection.

Thanks!

Cotty

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RE: An interesting thought on the PUG.

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

I can't open this page :(

Lukasz

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>I perused the PUG quickly last night.  Excellent images!  Commentary
>will come when I get a chance.
>
>One thing that caught my attention is that overall it is not what I
>expected to see.  My first thought was of an image I took back in 1986.  I
>could not duplicate it in time for the deadline nor locate it.  Anyway,
>after viewing the PUG I began looking for the slide.  Voila!  Found it!
>
>You can view it at http://cesar_abdul.homestead.com/rdc13.html  This is
>along the lines of what I expected to see more of in the gallery.  The PUG
usually shows a lot of different views of the assignment.

True and interesting that only a few of us, like Paul Stenquist, have
opted for this way.  Why?  It asks for a reflection...  Maybe call a
next theme "Thoughtfull reflections".  We kind of stayed at the level
of material reflections, which are always fascinating for
photographers I guess.

Andre
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Re: An interesting thought on the PUG.

[Ann Sanfedele]

Actually,I think Paul's image of the older guy through the restaurant window shows
both aspects
of reflections as a theme (um , which is to say, reflection and reflections.)  Am I
correct
that your image is just the former.

Funny though, how literal minded most of us were in this particular case.  I think it
is because
everyone who has ever picked up a camera has dabbled in the literal theme while
learning.

annsan

nice shot, by the way Cesar, no matter what theme. :)

Cesar Matamoros II wrote:

> I perused the PUG quickly last night.  Excellent images!  Commentary will
> come when I get a chance.
>
> One thing that caught my attention is that overall it is not what I
> expected to see.  My first thought was of an image I took back in 1986.  I
> could not duplicate it in time for the deadline nor locate it.  Anyway,
> after viewing the PUG I began looking for the slide.  Voila!  Found it!
>
> You can view it at http://cesar_abdul.homestead.com/rdc13.html  This is
> along the lines of what I expected to see more of in the gallery.  The PUG
> usually shows a lot of different views of the assignment.
>
> Let me know what you think,
>
> César
> Panama City, Florida
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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Mishka]

Nah... Mac is a piece of (translucent) crap just as well.
SGI has the Only True Way (TM).

...Oh my, it isn't Slashdot, is it?

Mishka

> From: Cameron Hood 
> Subject: RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features 
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:29:23 -0700 
> 
>
-->

> Go to the microshit website and all you will get is advertising for
> microcrap (if the site doesn't lock up on you).
> 
> Get a mac. They are just plain better machines. For everything. 
> Period.
> 
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Re: OT: Windows 2000 "features"

[Mishka]

Alright, I misunderstood the question. I read it as "will DOS-based
Windows (like 3.1 or 95) start from under win2K". I guess I am used too
much to seeing weird stuff here at work...

If you meant "will DOS command line interface still work" -- the answer
is "mostly, yes". Most batch files will keep working (unless they are
trying to deal with hardware, e.g. run fdisk or similar things). Most
DOS based programs will also keep working, unless they try to access
hardware directly (e.g. Norton Commander will work, but give you some
weird behavior and errors; same for Norton Utilities 3.x)

In a nutshell, a "nice" MS-DOS stuff, that doesn't ask for hardware or
"nonstandard" things like EMS and XMS (which is also hardware) will
work. Everything else -- won't. 

Best,
Mishka.

> From: Fred 
> Subject: Re: OT: Windows 2000 "features" 
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:47:32 -0700 
> 
> > DOS Windows from Win2K? Why on Earth...
> 
> Why?  Because I have a lot of batch files that ~still~ do neat
> things for me.  Because there are some file functions that are
> easier to do in a DOS window than using Explorer.  (Of course, I
> also like using PowerDesk instead of Deplorer - it's a lot like the
> ol' Norton File Manager.)
> 
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GFM Camera Clinic

[Bill Owens]

I received my flyer for this year's Grandfather Mountain Camera Clinic

http://www.grandfather-mountain.com/events/cclinic.htm

As you can see, a darned good lineup of speakers, interesting photo contest,
and though not mentioned in the above, lots of camaraderie and beverages at
PDML Central.

Bill  KG4LOV
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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Paris, Leonard]

I've run every version of Windows from v1.5 to XP, only skipped Win2K, and
have had no nightmares in any of the upgrades.  Of course, I believe in
RTFM, and I believe in checking the hardware compatibility lists before
doing the upgrades.

Len
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Subject: RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features


It has been my experience that trying to upgrade any form of Windoze to any
other on any kind of PC is an absolute nightmare. Windoze is designed for
specific chipsets, and works best with these. Period. End of story. Yeah,
you could get a pentium 1 at 75mhz to run windoze nt, but it would be so
much trouble, and in the final analysis the system would run so poorly that
why would you want to?
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Re: Windows 2000 "features"

[Ryan K. Brooks]

NT

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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 "features"


> >True, true.  And, it does seem to me that Win XP Home is finally
> >more like the NT-ish versions in many respects (rather than being a
> >rehashed Win 9x, like Win Me was).
>
> I have never understand the position of XP. Is it the successor of 9X or
NT?
>
> regards,
> Alan Chan
>
>
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Re: An interesting thought on the PUG.

[andre]

>I perused the PUG quickly last night.  Excellent images!  Commentary 
>will come when I get a chance.
>
>One thing that caught my attention is that overall it is not what I
>expected to see.  My first thought was of an image I took back in 1986.  I
>could not duplicate it in time for the deadline nor locate it.  Anyway,
>after viewing the PUG I began looking for the slide.  Voila!  Found it!
>
>You can view it at http://cesar_abdul.homestead.com/rdc13.html  This is
>along the lines of what I expected to see more of in the gallery.  The PUG
usually shows a lot of different views of the assignment.

True and interesting that only a few of us, like Paul Stenquist, have 
opted for this way.  Why?  It asks for a reflection...  Maybe call a 
next theme "Thoughtfull reflections".  We kind of stayed at the level 
of material reflections, which are always fascinating for 
photographers I guess.

Andre
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Re: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Based on long experience with both systems, I respectfully disagree.  While most
PCs are fine, the Windoze platform is inherently unstable, and Microsoft just
doesn't care.  They rather spend their money on marketing and driving the
competition out of business than improving their products.  Of course, they come
up with a new version as often as the can, as planned obsolescence, but that
doesn't mean the newer version is better in terms of reliability;  usually, the
opposite is true.  And most of us just follow along like sheep to the slaughter


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> Not true in the least. This is simply a myth. My wife has a brand new G4 at
> work that just died on her. She had so many problems with her last system she
> wanted to throw it out the window.
> MAC's are great machines, don't get me wrong. The are very well designed and
> are normally a joy to use. However, most PC's can do anything a Mac can
> do...period. The MAC OS is not, contrary to popular belief, inherently more
> stable than Windows. I have a friend who has been selling very high end video
> editing suites that are MAC based for about 10 years (media 100, Avid). He
> can tell you horror stories about machines DOA out of the box. Machines that
> work fine at set up and then overheat. Machines that have every terrible
> nuance of PC's once you get to know them (in this case admit them) and all
> for more money than a comparable PC system. Strike that, for a system with
> LESS memory, and a slower CPU than an PC at the same cost.
> The only people who think MACS are superior are snobs and the uninformed or
> both.
> By the way, you're suprised that a Microsoft product crashes your MAC? Give
> me a break...

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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)]

Well, that's just swell. Do you happen to work for a living? Most companies have IT 
standards. Most companies have found out that support is the most expensive aspect of 
computers. To keep things simple there is A supported OS, one or two hardware 
platforms and a standard software load. If they don't support Macs, you don't get one 
unless you buy it with your own money.

From: Cameron Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Macs are just plain better for everything. 
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Re: Windows 2000 "features"

[Alan Chan]

>True, true.  And, it does seem to me that Win XP Home is finally
>more like the NT-ish versions in many respects (rather than being a
>rehashed Win 9x, like Win Me was).

I have never understand the position of XP. Is it the successor of 9X or NT?

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: OT: Windows 2000 "features"

[Alan Chan]

Can't answer all your questions but 2kPro was pretty slow on my P2-266 with 
PC66-320MB RAM and DMA33 hard drive. Some hardwares were not supported or 
not running at all even they claimed they should (parallel scanner, printer 
and Zip100). I just went back to 89SE on that machine. However, 2k is a lot 
more stable than 95 or 98SE.

regards,
Alan Chan

>Sorry for the OT note, but I just got a bit of unsettling news.
>(Unsettling, because management has apparently made some decisions that
>probably should be left to the discretion of our IT department)
>
>Just got a note from the powers that be here at work asking if any of us 
>are
>likely to have "issues" with a planned upgrade from Win 95 to Win 2k.  
>Aside
>from the fact that Bill Gates is the Devil himself ;-), can any of our PDML
>operating system illuminati enlighten me about any major headaches such a
>conversion will either solve or create?  Is it reasonable to use Win 2k as
>the OS for a PC running on a first-generation Pentium MMX chip (which is
>what sits on the desktops of all the 100 or so folks residing in my
>building)?  Issues with running MS Office 97, Internet Explorer v5.5, or
>other typical MS desktop applications with this newer OS?  Issues with
>running native DOS software (like industrial logic controller software)?
>Issues with running DOS windows from within Win 2K?  Should this be a
>totally transparent to the typical user?  Or will I suddenly feel an urgent
>need to go back to a typewriter, a lined pad, and a slide rule?


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Re: OT: Windows 2000 "features"

[Mark Roberts]

"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi folks,
>
>Sorry for the OT note, 

Or IT note, as the case may be ;-)

>Just got a note from the powers that be here at work asking if any of us are
>likely to have "issues" with a planned upgrade from Win 95 to Win 2k. 

I got upgraded from Win95 to Win2k just a couple of months before I left Harris
so I can tell you how things may work.

First of all, expect a *big* hit on speed :(

Stability and reliability improved.

All Microsoft Office apps will work fine.

I expect your DOS aaps will be OK as well but there's no way to be sure without
trying it out. Microsoft tried to make Win2k a lot more DOS-friendly than
earlier versions of NT and according to my co-workers who used DOS apps, they
succeeded to a great extent. (Didn't get the chance to play with any DOS apps
myself so I only have this second hand.)

I had a few glitches with non-Microsoft utilities: Cookie Crusher insisted on
being shut down and then restarted whenever I re-opened Internet Explorer.
That's about the worst of it.

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An interesting thought on the PUG.

[Cesar Matamoros II]

I perused the PUG quickly last night.  Excellent images!  Commentary will
come when I get a chance.

One thing that caught my attention is that overall it is not what I
expected to see.  My first thought was of an image I took back in 1986.  I
could not duplicate it in time for the deadline nor locate it.  Anyway,
after viewing the PUG I began looking for the slide.  Voila!  Found it!

You can view it at http://cesar_abdul.homestead.com/rdc13.html  This is
along the lines of what I expected to see more of in the gallery.  The PUG
usually shows a lot of different views of the assignment.

Let me know what you think,

César
Panama City, Florida
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Re: MZ-S focusing screens

[Alan Chan]

>I'd call the nearest Pentax Distribution centre and ask to speak to a tech.
>I've done it before here in Canada.  They'd know best if PZ-1p screens 
>would
>fit into MZ-S.  The manual only lists 2 screens the for MZ-S, and I'm
>interested in knowing if I have more to choose from.

MZ-M screen should fit too.

regards,
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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Steve Desjardins]

Oh no.  Not the "Mac vs. Wintel" argument.  This is worse than the MZ-S
vs. PZ-1P debate.  Can't we do something calmer like argue about
religion?
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Re: Glenn's Going To War (Again)

[Mark Roberts]

"D. Glenn Arthur Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Hey Glenn, I've just moved to Pittsburgh so this event isn't too far away for
>> me. I ay try to make a trip out to burn some film.
>
>I think that'd be great, but there are some caveats:  
>there's no "audience" for this event, so you'll need 
>to "make a reasonable attempt at pre-1600 clothing 
>(which I can help with if I know when you're coming 
>and if you're anywhere close to my size); and there's 
>no "day rate" for admission -- entry fees are based 
>on the assumption that you're staying to the end of 
>the event.
>
>It's an amazing event, and an experience I want to 
>share, but I'd hate to have you come out and then be 
>surprised by those details and be frustrated.  Though
>if you already have an interest in attending such an
>event as a participant, it _is_ a great place to burn
>a whole lot of film!

Well that makes things a lot more difficult. I was planning on travelling by
motorcycle, which means that there's no way my clothing would pass(!) and I'd
have no room to pack clothing (the little space available being taken up with
camera gear). 
Oh yeah, and I just checked the pricing, which rules it *right* out!

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Re: 43 Limited Lens Hood

[Alan Chan]

>I have tried it with an B+W 81B and with an B+W Polarizer (filter on the
>lens, hood on the filter). With the 81B it ends in little vignetting, with
>the polarizer in huge vignetting.
>Any ideas from other 43 Limited users?

Never noticed this problem before with my HOYA & Pentax filters. Perhaps you 
can opt for the standard 50mm round hood or square hood.

regards,
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Re: RE: 70-2x0 zoom question

[awrobinson]

Thanks for the help Bill. To confirm and clarify (a phrase learned at my previous job 
with a Fortune 100 company), I have found these two lenses on eBay and Adorama. Are 
these the "-- an F 70-210/4-5.6 (discontinued around 1991, considered by many to be 
the best of the autofocus zooms in this range)" of which you speak?

eBay: PENTAX TAKUMAR-F 70-210mm 4-5.6 AF ZOOM LENS 
Adorama: Pentax 70-210 4/5.6 Takumar-f Af Lns 

If I am interpreting your reply and the two web sites you listed correctly, these two 
lenses look like my best shots for autofocus zooms in this range at the moment.

Thanks for all the help!

BTW, on your question of upgrading to W2K, I'm a Mac user at home and a Unix 
administrator at work. Of the Windoze machines I've had to use, I find W2K pretty 
workable. I like it much better than W95 or NT. In fact, because I find W2K "good 
enough", my next home computer will probably be a PC. Cost is the issue. Of course, 
this still doesn't speak to the issue of hardware compatibility. 

Andrew 

> 
> From: "Peifer, William [OCDUS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2002/08/01 Thu AM 09:02:30 EDT
> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: 70-2x0 zoom question
> 
> Andrew Robinson wrote:
> > In response to my queries about autofocus telephoto zooms, a couple
> > of folks have recommended the Pentax 70-200 f4-5.6 F or FA lenses.
> > Someone else instead recommended the Pentax 70-210 zoom.
> > Elsewhere I found a comment that the 70-210 zoom is not considered
> > highly. Has anyone got the scoop on these two (actually three) lenses?
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> Actually, it's even more complicated than you suggest.  There are actually
> four SMC coated lenses in this range:
> -- an FA 70-200/4-5.6 (not particularly well-regarded);
> 
> -- an FA 70-210/4-5.6 power zoom (better, introduced when the PZ-1p came
> out);
> 
> -- an F 70-210/4-5.6 (discontinued around 1991, considered by many to be the
> best of the autofocus zooms in this range); and
> 
> -- the venerable A 70-210/4 constant-aperture, non-autofocus, one-touch zoom
> lens (considered by many to be the best zoom in this range in terms of both
> optics and build quality, and a massive beast at ~150mm length and 680g
> mass).  I paid $130 US for mine about a year and a half ago, but $200 is not
> an unusual price for one in excellent shape.  Many folks on the list have
> remarked that there are two particularly outstanding zooms: one is this A
> 70-210/4, and the other is the A 35-105/3.5.
> 
> There are also several non-SMC K-mount zooms in the 70-2x0 range, the most
> common of which is marked "70-210 Takumar (Bayonet)".  These non-SMC zooms
> are of inferior quality and should be avoided.  If you're shopping, look for
> "SMC PENTAX-A" or "SMC PENTAX-F" on the front of the lens.  Make sure "SMC"
> is on there somewhere.
> 
> You may want to check the following links for some excellent information on
> lens performance and lens dimensions:
> http://www.concentric.net/~smhalpin/
> http://w3.one.net/~georgek/pentax/lenses/g0018.html
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Bill Peifer
> Rochester, NY
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Re: WTB 85mm

[Robert Woerner]

www.keh.com

KEH has an SMC M 85mm f2.0 for $364.00 rated as "Excellent".

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Re: LX repair update

[Bmacrae]

William,

Sorry tale. Wish you luck with those dopey people. It stinks when you send 
your equipment to the manufacturer for repair becasue you assume they know 
what they're doing repair-wise only to find out that their customer service 
is sooo bad.

I'd ask for a heafty discount, like the labor charge. See if you can't get 
them to charge you for parts only. Seems fair to me.

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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Cameron Hood wrote:
>  @#&%)_@#&%_)@(*@#%@!!  [Expletives deleted.]

But Cameron, why don't you tell us what you ~really~ think?  HAR!!

Thanks for that Mac testimonial -- I ~loved~ it!!  I sent a copy to a
Mac-using co-worker of mine.  He's got about the same opinion of Bill Gates,
Microsoft, and PCs as you do.

Thanks again for the belly-laugh!

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
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Re: Takumar 28 - 80 Zoom

[wendy beard]

I owned one for a couple of weeks. In fact, these two submissions were taken with it.
http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/nijm750.html
http://pug.komkon.org/02feb/beer_cs.html

It was okay, but I'd got it off ebay.nl along with something else. It had terrible 
barrel-wobble so I got rid of it and bought an A35-105 instead (from the local camera 
shop - much more expensive!).

Having only used it for a day, I can't say that I know the lens well, but it's 
perfectly adequate for someone starting out. Oh, and it's not multi-coated either. 
Quality-wise, below the SMC stuff.

Wendy
>Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:36:20 +0300 
>From: "Don Williams Finland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Subject: Takumar 28 - 80 Zoom 

>Hi all, 

>I have a Takumar-A 28 - 80 mm, f3.5 - 4.5 'Macro' Zoom is this any good? The 
>pictures that my daughter took with this lens a year ago seem reasonable. It 
>came attached to a P30 I found in a shop in the city. I put the lens on an 
>ME Super and gave it to my offspring to use for snap-shots. She got tired of 
>picture taking quite soon and the camera has come back to me. 

>Who knows this lens well? 

>D 


wendy beard
ottawa, canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com
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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

my my .. 
such vitriol from one who uses a Mac.

I've used both.. Macs and PC's.. they each have their strong points and
they each have their downfalls.

In a networked environment; ideally; the PC is still where it's going to
be. Sad is it might be, most businesses are not graphic design houses,
print shops or music studios.

I currently work for a large insurance company in Canada.  We have Macs.
They're in our print shop.  They co-exist and live happily beside our PCs
(Compaq - unfortunately).  I don't think there is an Insurance company in
Canada (or elsewhere that I know of) that runs ONLY Macs. You could say the
same about any large corporation. You could also say the same about the PC
in that in every corporation (multi national) there must be SOME Macs in
there.

At home, I have 2 pcs. I've never had severe difficulty in upgrading my
systems - hardware or software. I'm not an expert. I'm not even an "MCSE"
(big deal really...) but I do have patience and a desire to learn and
willingness to experiment knowing that I can inevitably fix the problem. 
Would I ever use a Mac ? Sure I would, but for the money I could upgrade my
hardware.  I considered a powerbook because in the realm of "the laptop"..
I don't bother with trying to "make my frankenstein" like I do with PC's.

That's part of the "problem" if you will with Macs.  I can't BUILD my own
Mac. I have to order a Mac.. pre built.. pre made.. etc.  Also one of the
reasons why I don't order from Dell/Gateway/etc.   Ever take a LOOK at the
Dell manual that comes with their PC's ?  It clearly states "Dell uses new
or nearly new equipment in all their personal computers" or something to
that affect.  NEARLY new.. (i.e. could be refurbished, could have been
sitting around a warehouse collecting dust, etc.)

So.. until they let me build my own Mac.. I'll be happy with my PCs.. even
with all the monster cords etc. :-)  At work, I use what my company says to
use because it's THEIR equipment. At home, I can do what I want...and maybe
one day.. I will have that Powerbook..

Cheers,
Dave


Original Message:
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From: Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:45:48 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features


It has been my experience that trying to upgrade any form of Windoze to any
other on any kind of PC is an absolute nightmare. Windoze is designed for
specific chipsets, and works best with these. Period. End of story. Yeah,
you could get a pentium 1 at 75mhz to run windoze nt, but it would be so
much trouble, and in the final analysis the system would run so poorly that
why would you want to?

It was five years of torture at the hands of Bill Gates that made me buy a
Mac. Contrary to popular opinion, or what some computer geeks will tell you,
Macs are just plain better for everything. The only piece of software that
is unreliable on my dual processor G4 450 with 1.5 gigs of ram is Microshit
Internet Exploder! It crashes more often, and causes more problems, than
having 2 gigs of photos open in photoshop, 5 - 11x17 layouts printing from
Quark, scanning, printing and burning a 16x firewire backup Cd
simulataneously (yes, I have done all of this simultaneously on my Mac, with
no problems or glitches). Yet as soon as I open internet exploder,
CCCRRRAAASSSHHH!!!

That's why they are called a PC; a piece of crap. I will never buy another
one of those stupid, tacky, advertisment-filled unreliable pieces of crap as
long as I live.

If you want some great photoshop and graphic tips and advice, check out the
Apple.com websight and click on 'creative'. There's tips and tricks,
masterclasses, interviews, and all kinds of useful and informative stuff.
And it changes every couple of weeks.

Go to the microshit website and all you will get is advertising for
microcrap (if the site doesn't lock up on you).

Get a mac. They are just plain better machines. For everything. Period.

Cameron
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Re: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Bmacrae]

In a message dated 8/1/2002 9:48:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Get a mac. They are just plain better machines. For everything. Period.
> 
> Cameron
> 

Not true in the least. This is simply a myth. My wife has a brand new G4 at 
work that just died on her. She had so many problems with her last system she 
wanted to throw it out the window.

MAC's are great machines, don't get me wrong. The are very well designed and 
are normally a joy to use. However, most PC's can do anything a Mac can 
do...period. The MAC OS is not, contrary to popular belief, inherently more 
stable than Windows. I have a friend who has been selling very high end video 
editing suites that are MAC based for about 10 years (media 100, Avid). He 
can tell you horror stories about machines DOA out of the box. Machines that 
work fine at set up and then overheat. Machines that have every terrible 
nuance of PC's once you get to know them (in this case admit them) and all 
for more money than a comparable PC system. Strike that, for a system with 
LESS memory, and a slower CPU than an PC at the same cost.

The only people who think MACS are superior are snobs and the uninformed or 
both.

By the way, you're suprised that a Microsoft product crashes your MAC? Give 
me a break...

-Brendan MacRae
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Re: FS Pentax Original Fisheye PUTTING IT CLEAR FOR LEN

[Mishka]

Wouldn't it be soo much better if people would sort this kinds of
things "outside"? 
Although I have to admit, when the flames start flying, it's much more
fun (there's a russian teasing song I remeber since my elementary
school, that goes kinda like "I bet you are not going to fight (and if
so, I won't get to see it)!" )

Keep cool, guys,
Mishka

P.S. Albano, maybe it's because English is not my even second language,
but your original post was crystal clear to me, meaning exactly what
you intended.
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> Subject: Re: FS Pentax Original Fisheye PUTTING IT CLEAR FOR LEN 
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:45:29 -0700 
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Re: PUG comments (august)

[Bmacrae]

In a message dated 7/31/2002 7:30:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Green Boat by Brendan MacRae
> 
> Reminds me some unknown jazz tunes: Shade of Green; Kind of Green... 
> I like such unconventional framing.
> 

Thanks. Of course, I didn't notice the tie line in the slide until it was 
scanned and that kinda kills the shot for me. Still, I like the color of the 
boat in the reflection and as you say, the unusual composition, which is why 
I submitted it. Anyway, thanks for the mention!

-Brendan MacRae
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Re: Glenn's Going To War (Again)

[D. Glenn Arthur Jr.]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Hey Glenn, I've just moved to Pittsburgh so this event isn't too far away for
> me. I ay try to make a trip out to burn some film.

I think that'd be great, but there are some caveats:  
there's no "audience" for this event, so you'll need 
to "make a reasonable attempt at pre-1600 clothing 
(which I can help with if I know when you're coming 
and if you're anywhere close to my size); and there's 
no "day rate" for admission -- entry fees are based 
on the assumption that you're staying to the end of 
the event.

It's an amazing event, and an experience I want to 
share, but I'd hate to have you come out and then be 
surprised by those details and be frustrated.  Though
if you already have an interest in attending such an
event as a participant, it _is_ a great place to burn
a whole lot of film!

-- Glenn
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RE: OT: Windoze 2000 features

[Cameron Hood]

It has been my experience that trying to upgrade any form of Windoze to any
other on any kind of PC is an absolute nightmare. Windoze is designed for
specific chipsets, and works best with these. Period. End of story. Yeah,
you could get a pentium 1 at 75mhz to run windoze nt, but it would be so
much trouble, and in the final analysis the system would run so poorly that
why would you want to?

It was five years of torture at the hands of Bill Gates that made me buy a
Mac. Contrary to popular opinion, or what some computer geeks will tell you,
Macs are just plain better for everything. The only piece of software that
is unreliable on my dual processor G4 450 with 1.5 gigs of ram is Microshit
Internet Exploder! It crashes more often, and causes more problems, than
having 2 gigs of photos open in photoshop, 5 - 11x17 layouts printing from
Quark, scanning, printing and burning a 16x firewire backup Cd
simulataneously (yes, I have done all of this simultaneously on my Mac, with
no problems or glitches). Yet as soon as I open internet exploder,
CCCRRRAAASSSHHH!!!

That's why they are called a PC; a piece of crap. I will never buy another
one of those stupid, tacky, advertisment-filled unreliable pieces of crap as
long as I live.

If you want some great photoshop and graphic tips and advice, check out the
Apple.com websight and click on 'creative'. There's tips and tricks,
masterclasses, interviews, and all kinds of useful and informative stuff.
And it changes every couple of weeks.

Go to the microshit website and all you will get is advertising for
microcrap (if the site doesn't lock up on you).

Get a mac. They are just plain better machines. For everything. Period.

Cameron
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43 Limited Lens Hood

[Hans-Bernhard Beykirch]

After getting my 77 mm Limited I got the 43 mm Limited some days ago. Its
superb. But one issue remains open. The 43 mm has a screw-in lens hood. How
can I use the lens hood (and lens cap which fits on the lens hood only) with
filters?

I have tried it with an B+W 81B and with an B+W Polarizer (filter on the
lens, hood on the filter). With the 81B it ends in little vignetting, with
the polarizer in huge vignetting.

Any ideas from other 43 Limited users?

Another question concerning the 31 limited (will be my next choice). How
does this lens work with filters and the fixed lens hood?

Regards

Bernd
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Re: MZ-S focusing screens

[Brad Dobo]

I'd call the nearest Pentax Distribution centre and ask to speak to a tech.
I've done it before here in Canada.  They'd know best if PZ-1p screens would
fit into MZ-S.  The manual only lists 2 screens the for MZ-S, and I'm
interested in knowing if I have more to choose from.

Brad.
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:22 AM
Subject: MZ-S focusing screens


> Hi
>
> I have a Z1-p golden section focusing screen. Would any of you know if
> it will fit my MZ-s and do I require any exposure compensation?
>
> Thank you
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RE: OT: Windows 2000 "features"

[Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)]

W2k has been the standard Windows OS at my company for quite some time. It is, to a 
great degree, 98 with a NT kernel. Looks and works like Windows 9.x, but is much more 
crash resistant. You won't have any trouble running old apps so long as you have 
enough memory: 128MB min.
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RE: OT: Windows 2000 "features"

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Hi folks,

Thanks again to all for your many helpful comments on my Win2k questions.
Very good to know your experiences with this.

Regarding DOS, I think I'm on the same side of the fence as Fred.  I've got
a few ancient, but still useful, DOS routines that I use once in a while.
The old QuickBASIC compiler still gets a little use once in a while.  Heck,
I've still got a copy of an old GW BASIC interpreter that came with an Epson
XT clone I purchased about 17 years ago!

I'll have to wait and see if the upgrade to Win2k will be preceded by an
upgrade of our desktop PCs.

Cheers,

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
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Re: August PUG is open

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

Many thanks, Adelheid.
Cheers,
Ayash.

On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Adelheid v. K. wrote:

> Hi *,
> 
> the August PUG is ready to go. I am a bit early but you probably don't mind.
> ;)
> 
> Another month with great pics.
> 
> Cheers
> Adelheid
> 
> 
> --
> About resizing your pics:
> 
> To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further
> notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me one you
> like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope this
> is a fair deal.
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FS: SMC-A 135mm 2.8

[Herb Chong]

since everybody is talking about this one right now, it happens i am
selling mine. it's in excellent condition with very slight wear on the
aperture ring and on the mount itself. serial number 5004704. includes
original front and rear caps and Pentax HB-120 hard case. optically in new
condition. i never used it much and now i have a FA* 80-200 to cover the
range. i would get an AF zoom if i need something lighter. bought it brand
new in about 1983.

$170 US with payment by Paypal (preferred), certified check, or money order
only. US shipment to lower 48 by UPS ground included in price. other
shipment by USPS at actual cost extra.

Herb
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FA 43 Limited Lens Hood

[Hans-Bernhard Beykirch]

After getting my 77 mm Limited I got the 43 mm Limited some days ago. Its
superb. But one issue remains open. The 43 mm has a screw-in lens hood. How
can I use the lens hood (and lens cap which fits on the lens hood only) with
filters?

I have tried it with an B+W 81B and with an B+W Polarizer (filter on the
lens, hood on the filter). With the 81B it ends in little vignetting, with
the polarizer in huge vignetting.

Any ideas from other 43 Limited users?

Another question concerning the 31 limited (will be my next choice). How
does this lens work with filters and the fixed lens hood?

Regards

Bernd
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Re: ??? on SMC M 120/2.8 and street candids

[steven gilson]

Much thanks for all the advice.  I now fear my query might have increased the interest 
in the lens I'm after!

Steven.

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Re: 'Best' photos of the year

[Ken Archer]

They made my day.  Thanks for the smiles.

On Thursday 01 August 2002 04:25 am, Cotty wrote:
> A friend sent me this URL with 20 odd shots that you may find
> amusing...
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/rds33/best_photos/index.html#top
>
> enjoy,
> Cotty
-- 
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RE: 70-2x0 zoom question

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

And don't forget the Vivitar Series 1 70-210 f/3.5! (Or is it a heresy? :)

Łukasz
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Re:price for 135mm 2.8

[Mishka]

Scott,
Go to keh.com, ask for online quote -- that would be close to the lower
bound on the price. Then find it in the stuff they list. That would be
close to the upper bound. 

Best,
Mishka

> From: Scott J. Fine 
> Subject: price for 135mm 2.8 
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 04:54:17 -0700 
> 
> 
> 
> What would be a reasonable price for an SMC-A 135mm f2.8?
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RE: 70-2x0 zoom question

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Andrew Robinson wrote:
> In response to my queries about autofocus telephoto zooms, a couple
> of folks have recommended the Pentax 70-200 f4-5.6 F or FA lenses.
> Someone else instead recommended the Pentax 70-210 zoom.
> Elsewhere I found a comment that the 70-210 zoom is not considered
> highly. Has anyone got the scoop on these two (actually three) lenses?

Hi Andrew,

Actually, it's even more complicated than you suggest.  There are actually
four SMC coated lenses in this range:
-- an FA 70-200/4-5.6 (not particularly well-regarded);

-- an FA 70-210/4-5.6 power zoom (better, introduced when the PZ-1p came
out);

-- an F 70-210/4-5.6 (discontinued around 1991, considered by many to be the
best of the autofocus zooms in this range); and

-- the venerable A 70-210/4 constant-aperture, non-autofocus, one-touch zoom
lens (considered by many to be the best zoom in this range in terms of both
optics and build quality, and a massive beast at ~150mm length and 680g
mass).  I paid $130 US for mine about a year and a half ago, but $200 is not
an unusual price for one in excellent shape.  Many folks on the list have
remarked that there are two particularly outstanding zooms: one is this A
70-210/4, and the other is the A 35-105/3.5.

There are also several non-SMC K-mount zooms in the 70-2x0 range, the most
common of which is marked "70-210 Takumar (Bayonet)".  These non-SMC zooms
are of inferior quality and should be avoided.  If you're shopping, look for
"SMC PENTAX-A" or "SMC PENTAX-F" on the front of the lens.  Make sure "SMC"
is on there somewhere.

You may want to check the following links for some excellent information on
lens performance and lens dimensions:
http://www.concentric.net/~smhalpin/
http://w3.one.net/~georgek/pentax/lenses/g0018.html

Hope this helps.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
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Re: FS Pentax Original Fisheye PUTTING IT CLEAR FOR LEN

[Albano_Garcia]

Len, Len, Len, LEN
You've just gone a bit too far.

1 - I NEVER, EVER put a SIMPLE AUCTION on EBAY in my life. I would loved to
do it, but I don't have a credit card, so I'm off. I've bought a pair of
things, BUT NEVER SOLD ANYTHING there.
2 - NEVER EVER PUT AN EBAY NOTE HERE ON PDML due to this, precisely (why to
advertise something that doesn't exist?).
3 - I repeated the mentioned phrase in previous FS adds for the very same
item, the fisheye, for the reason I told you in my previous emails, and
NEVER in other of the things I sold here on the list, and NOT on ebay.
4 - And it's illegal for the laws of my exotic country too to do what you
say I'm doing.
5 - I'm honest, and I've a strong ethic.

I've traded with a lot of pdml members, in a direct way, and very happily.
So, please shut the f*** up, and stop lying please.
I don't like to be acused freely.
Thanks

Albano


Thanks, Rob.
I didn't think I was mistaken, really, because it was not the
first time he has used that exact phrasing to get folks to bid
up his stuff.  I had ignored it before but, after all the
discussiond we had on the list about pitching auctions to get
more bids, I decided not to let it pass without comment this
time.  The fact that he didn't put a link to the auction doesn't
really prove his case because he has, in the past, highlighted
his auctions and I think a lot of people on the list now know
his Ebay userid.  What he tried to do is probably fine from the
viewpoint of the law in his own country but it really isn't
ethical on the list after we had agreed not to do things like
that.  Ebay wouldn't be happy about it if they knew.
Len
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Takumar 28 - 80 Zoom

[Don Williams Finland]

Hi all,

I have a Takumar-A 28 - 80 mm, f3.5 - 4.5 'Macro' Zoom is this any good? The
pictures that my daughter took with this lens a year ago seem reasonable. It
came attached to a P30 I found in a shop in the city. I put the lens on an
ME Super and gave it to my offspring to use for snap-shots. She got tired of
picture taking quite soon and the camera has come back to me.

Who knows this lens well?

D

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002
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Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?

[Don Williams Finland]

Dismantle the lens. Clean all glass parts in hot soapy water with the
fingers - Fairy Liquid is good. Dry glass components, on edge, on a clean
surface in a dust free place - after rinsing off all traces of soap with tap
water, followed by distilled water. Don't be tempted by solvents like
alcohol. When dry put in microwave for a few seconds to evaporate the
adsorbed water molecules. Blow off all dust that attaches itself to glass as
you reassemble the lens. When lens is all nicely back together put it in a
container that can be tightly sealed with a few packets of fresh or
regenerated desiccant bags. Keep that way for a day or two. If the fungus
reappears follow instructions given by Bob. Ideally this should be done is a
dust free environment - a microbiology laboratory glove box perhaps? Of
course if you don't have the tools needed for this job you'll need to borrow
or buy them.

D

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


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From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?


> Yup!
>
> Bet that in my younger days I could have gotten 92 mph out of a 50/1.4!
>
> (that's 148 km for you Canucks, Brits, Frenchies, Spaniards, Italians and
others who bowed
> to the metric gods...)
>
> Perfection is 90 feet between bases!
>
> Har!
>
> Regards,
> Bob...
> ---
> "In the carboniferous epoch
> we were promised perpetual peace.
> They swore if we gave up our weapons
> that the wars of the tribes would cease.
> But when we disarmed they sold us,
> and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
> And the gods of the copybook headings said,
> 'Stick to the devil you know.' "
> --Rudyard Kipling
>
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Hi, Bob,
> >
> > Did you go to the "Nolan Ryan School of Photography"?  
> >
> > -frank
> >
> > Bob Blakely wrote:
> >
> > > Fungus remedy:
> > >
> > > 1.Find a brick or concrete wall.
> > > 2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall.
> > > 3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your
hand on top of the
> > > lens barrel and the "pocket" formed by your thumb and curled third and
forth fingers.
> > > 4.Turn so that you are "3/4" facing the wall, keep your eye on the
wall.
> > > 5.Lean back, placing your weight on your rear foot, lifting your
forward foot.
> Stretch
> > > your forward arm out toward the wall.
> > > 6.Begin to push forward toward the wall with your rear foot while
at the same time
> > > propelling the lens forward with your two fingers.
> > > 7.As your forward foot nears the ground and your (was) rear arm
whips rapidly
> forward
> > > with the lens, give that extra push forward with those two fingers
thereby imparting
> more
> > > speed and a reverse spin which will add "lift" to the lens.
> > > 8.Pick up lens and extract the excess glass fragments.
> > > 9.Place on desk as paper weight.
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Re: LX repair update

[Steve Larson]

Time to take your mouth "out of check" Bill. Keep us posted.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: LX repair update


> My 3rd LX is still in the shop (PCI, Mississauga). They have had
> it since the middle of May.
> They have been telling me for the past couple of weeks it would
> be shipped soon, and last Monday, they told me it would ship on
> Wednesday. Since I hadn't received it on Monday, I decided to
> call them, in case the box had perhaps gone astray (it would be
> an overnight courier shipment).
> The repair person apologized, and told me it had, in fact, been
> shipped last Friday.
> Since it is now Wednesday, and still no LX, I called Pentax
> again today. After being bounced from parts to shipping, and
> having them hang up on me a few times I finally connected with
> the service manager.
> Through all of this, I actually held my temper and my stupid
> insulting mouth in check. No sense antagonizing them
> unnecessarily.
> I asked him to look into it, and find out what shipper they had
> used, and to get me a tracking number.
> He left a message on my answering machine saying that the camera
> was not yet repaired, and they didn't even have the correct
> parts yet to complete the job.
> 
> So, I have now been lied to by the Pentax service department.
> 
> I have to wonder if their next trick will be to decide they
> cannot repair the thing at all, and rather than admit they are
> in violation of Canadian consumer laws, they will just quietly
> arrange to have the camera get lost in shipping.
> Needless to say, I have to wonder if the Pentax Colorado people
> from a couple of years back emigrated to Toronto.
> Anyway, I needed to vent, and for a change, I am on topic.
> William Robb
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Re: On how I officially entered to The Brotherhood (a bit long)

[Albano_Garcia]

Hi, Rob, and thanks to all the other Brothers for your warm welcome.
I finally fixed it, and you are right. It was the foam that was
desintegrated. Luckily, I've some foamed tape (supposedly to put posters on
the wall), cutted it to fit, and voila, it fits tight now. And it allowed
the electric contact too. The only problem is that it seems the meter is
waaay out, something close to 2 stops (I'll do some more serious tests
later). It doesn't bother me too much, since I'll use my "serious" meter,
my dear Gossen Lunapro F with that beast, to keep the package compact ;-)
(seriously, 120 film is too expensive as to tolerate missing frames due to
exposure errors).
Regards

Albano



If the prism rattles up and down then the foam around the base of the prism
may
have deteriorated as it should keep the assembly pretty tight, if so it's
not
difficult to cut some foam to fit. However this doesn't explain your
metering
problem, maybe the springs behind the electrical contacts on the prism have
become weak?
Cheers,
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: ??? on SMC M 120/2.8 and street candids

[Fred]

> As someone said before, the difference between 100 
> and 135mm short teles is very slight.

For street shooting, perhaps (which is primarily what this thread is
about), but FL differences can make a significant practical
difference in how much room (subject to photographer) is needed for
shooting indoors (or in a confined outdoors space).

> Occasionally I prefer the M 4/75-150 zoom for a bit more 
> versatility. This lens is also very compact.

I enjoy using the compact (and fast) Tokina AT-X 60-120/2.8 for the
exact same versatility.

Fred
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price for 135mm 2.8

[Scott J. Fine]

What would be a reasonable price for an SMC-A 135mm f2.8?

s/
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WTB 85mm

[Scott J. Fine]

I am looking for an SMC M or A 85mm f2 (k mount).

Do any of you have an inclination to sell an extra you may have.  There is 
nothing on the net to speak of at the moment.

s/
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Re: New addition to the collection

[Fred]

> It looks like the metering's a bit wonky though... its showing f/8
> at 1/15th (400asa) when the Z-1p shows 1s at f/8.  I put an old
> junk film in  and it sounds like its exposing for 1 about second
> in "auto".

Did you have the "junk film" in it for the manual metering ???

Fred
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Re: sticky aperture ring - a-50/1.7

[Rfsindg]

Bill,
I've done my share of mechanical repairs/rebuilds.
You want to see my connecting rods?
(My '61 Sunbeam Alpine that became a flowerpot around '71.)
But for the lens repairs, I dragged out the HO train tools.
Fine motor skills vs the more gross motor skills, I suppose.
Regards,  Bob S.

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<< I tried to repair a sticky aperture ring on an A 50mm f/1.7,
 after reading Alan Chan's very lucid description of how to do
 it.
 The lens mount is now doing time as a 35mm to view camera
 adapter, the rest of the lens is now in the City of Regina
 landfill.
 I can strip and rebuild a BMW 3.0 liter inline 6, I can balance
 the carbs on a 12 cylinder E-type Jaguar by ear, and I can
 diagnose and repair almost any photo lab problem, but those
 darned A series lenses don't like me at all.
 William Robb >>
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RE: PDML -PL

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

I'd love to meet you Mike, but unfortunatelly I'm still in the middle of the
first chapter of my Ma thesis, and have no time to travel :(

Anyway - have a good time in Kraków, it's a beautiful city.

Regards,
Lukasz

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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PDML -PL


Hi,

I intend to be in Krakow for the week 10/08 to 16/08.  I will be
busy for a lot of the time but would like to meet any of the
Polish contingent who are able to get there.  Unfortunately, I
won't have time to travel anywhere else in Poland.  I will be
back overnight on 23/08, leaving from Balice at some unGodly
hour in the morning.

I will probably be staying in D. S. Zaczek, opposite the
Cracovia.  If you can get there, contact me off list for my
mobile number.

mike
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Re: FS Pentax Original Fisheye PUTTING IT CLEAR FOR LEN

[Paul Franklin Stregevsky]

IL Bill wrote, 
I'm utterly confused here.  I've been trying to follow this thread, but
don't see how you are stating that what Albano said is
unethical/illegal.

Bill,
It's simple, really: Len read the initial posting quickly and thought he
read that Albano was preparing to post it on EBay and was asking PDMLers
to bid up the price. How do I know this? Simple: I made the same
mistake.

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Re: sticky aperture ring - a-50/1.7

[Alan Chan]

>I tried to repair a sticky aperture ring on an A 50mm f/1.7,
>after reading Alan Chan's very lucid description of how to do
>it.
>The lens mount is now doing time as a 35mm to view camera
>adapter, the rest of the lens is now in the City of Regina
>landfill.
>I can strip and rebuild a BMW 3.0 liter inline 6, I can balance
>the carbs on a 12 cylinder E-type Jaguar by ear, and I can
>diagnose and repair almost any photo lab problem, but those
>darned A series lenses don't like me at all.

Sad to know that.  :(

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: MZ-S focusing screens

[Alan Chan]

>I have a Z1-p golden section focusing screen. Would any of you know if
>it will fit my MZ-s and do I require any exposure compensation?

I believe it will fit, but perhaps require slight compensation (-1/3 
perhaps).

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: 'Best' photos of the year

[Alan Chan]

>A friend sent me this URL with 20 odd shots that you may find amusing...
>
>http://home.pacbell.net/rds33/best_photos/index.html#top

Boy the 1st one is really great! So simple and so effective.

regards,
Alan Chan


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RE: Leaving the list for a bit, too in a few days...and OT travel stuff

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

Have a nice trip, Ann (is it me, or does it sound a bit suspicious?)! Be
sure to take some photographs, and buy some bargain Pentax gear on the way
:)

(Gotta watch my spelling when I'm writing to a scrabble master :)

Regards,
Lukasz
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Re: PUG comments (august)

[Kathy L]

Thank you so much, Andre, for your kind comments on my Spring Reflections
photo.  Had the slide enlarged to a 11 x 14 (or thereabouts) print and
entered it in a local competition several weeks ago, and it took second
place.  It's really strange, isn't it, that some shots that you take lots of
time to compose just right, set the camera up properly, and use a tripod
don't turn out at all the way you pictured them in your mind . . . while the
ones that you just shoot because the scene looks kind of neat, but you're
just hurrying because you want to use up the last frame in the roll of film
(because you're exhausted and want to go home) turn out to be really awsome.
Kathy

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Subject: PUG comments (august)


> The ones that quickly grabbed my attention:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/
>
>
> Spring Reflections by Kathleen Leickly
>
> It reminds me some impressionnist paintings by Monet.  About perfect
> as far as I'm concerned.  That last shot we just shoot without
> preparation, looking for a novelty...  There should be a PUG theme
> called "The last shot"...
>
>
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Re: PUG comments (august)

[frank theriault]

Hi, andre,

Well, the Soligor 2.5-3.5 35-70 zoom would only be rare insofar as I
doubt that many people got sucked into buying one 

Seriously, no they aren't rare at all.  I see them on eBay on a
semi-regular basis.  I'm guessing that they're around 20 or 25 years
old.  I paid $20US for mine, but it has a teeny scratch on the front
element, so it flares like crazy.  I only bought it as a stop-gap, until
I found something better, which I now have, and should receive today
(just got a delivery notice in the mail!).

Thanks for the comments!

regards,
frank

andre wrote:

> Jet Fuel Espresso by frank theriault
>
> It's true that coffee stimulates our output of reflections...
> Soligor 35-70 at 2.5...  Hmm... is it a rare lens?
>

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pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
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New addition to the collection

[David A. Mann]

Well, I've gone and done it.

I'm now a member of the "little brotherhood" in addition to the "big 
brotherhood".

I purchased an LX this evening.  S/N 532.  Hardly a mark on it (a few 
scratches on the bottom).

I can't get over how light this thing is.  It handles really well with 
the SMCP 35mm f/3.5 lens (hear that, Cotty?:)

The cost?  NZ$900 (about US$450), including a warranty.  I softened the 
blow by trading my "spare" Pentax digital spot meter, and my Tokina 400mm 
f/5.6 (I actually got more for both of these than I'd paid for them).

I better start saving for all these accessories I want (grid screen and 
waist-level finder comes immediately to mind).  I hope Peter's not 
reading, I'm a bit broke right now ;)

It looks like the metering's a bit wonky though... its showing f/8 at 
1/15th (400asa) when the Z-1p shows 1s at f/8.  I put an old junk film in 
and it sounds like its exposing for 1 about second in "auto".  Changing 
the ASA setting changes the "auto" exposure so it must be the aperture 
coupling... or the metering mirror is a bit stuffed (is it meant to look 
shiny or frosted?).

Manual shutter speeds sound OK to my ear.

I'm glad I got a warranty!

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date)
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