Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:04 PM, David Savage wrote:

> 2008/9/24 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-)
>>>
>>>http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/
>>>
>> That most certainly is impressive.  The part I like the mostest is  
>> the
>> interface.  6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch.  Why the hell can't the
>> rest of them figure this out?
>
> I like buttons & knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling
> through menus.

Sorry Dave, but I would feel comfortable betting that the controls on  
the S2 are subtle, powerful, and do not distract one iota from the  
business of making photographer.

> Sorry Godfrey, but I have to disagree. Like the R series Lickers this
> is butt ugly IMO.

I don't care what a camera looks like. I care how it fits in my hands  
and works. The R8-R9 were fugly to look at, but had the finest feel,  
best controls and finest viewfinder, finest lenses, of any 35mm SLR  
camera I ever used. I always wished I could afford one with a four  
lens complement kit, but that was always just too far over the  
financial cliff for me.

Sometimes I wish I were a wealthy dentist ... not the good-hearted and  
not-wealthy kind like my dearly departed father was.

Godfrey



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Re: PESO: Incarcerated

[P. J. Alling]

That's just so sad.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> On this afternoon's walkaround. Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8, f3.5,  
> 1/90th, 70mm.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7886966&size=lg
>
> paul
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PESO: Incarcerated

[Paul Stenquist]

On this afternoon's walkaround. Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8, f3.5,  
1/90th, 70mm.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7886966&size=lg

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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, David. the FA 80~320 price just softened. ;)

Jack


--- On Tue, 9/23/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 3:38 PM
> Opps, missed shot number 2.
> 
> That one i really like.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Jack Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Took my first turn around the country side since my
> rotator cup surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something and
> settled for a fence line which has always caught my eye.
> > Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but
> was perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > Comments encouraged!
> >
> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
> >
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
> >
> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
> >
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
> >
> >
> >
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Jack Davis]

My plan is to deal it as soon as I have a working DA*60~250 f/4. I will not be 
able to resist bragging to the list, so stay tuned.

Jack


--- On Tue, 9/23/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 3:36 PM
> Love the way the fence is sitting, breaking up the stark
> landscape.
> 
> You need to sell me that lens.:-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Jack Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Took my first turn around the country side since my
> rotator cup surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something and
> settled for a fence line which has always caught my eye.
> > Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but
> was perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > Comments encouraged!
> >
> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
> >
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
> >
> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
> >
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
> >
> >
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Re: OT: Tough times

[David Savage]

2008/9/23 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Bob W wrote:
>> > Things are starting to get really bad. Even in the darkest
>> days of the
>> > Irish Potato Famine, even in the worst of 14th-century plague
> years,
>> > even in the depths of the Great Depression I don't think ordinary
>> > people had to make sacrifices like this unfortunate woman:
>> > http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>>
>> This is unquestionably the dumbest blog I've ever read!
>>
>> No, nobody asked ~ I'm offering that opinion free of charge!
>>
>
> I think it's hilarious. The only blog I've seen that I regularly go
> back to.

Ditto.

I find it quite entertaining.

Dave

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Re: Product Advice - Tripods

[Paul Stenquist]

Camera Mart is far superior to Adray in my estimation. Adray frames  
have plastic where they should have glass. What does that tell  
you? :-). I'll have to look at the Induro tripod next time I'm in  
Camera Mart. What's more, they have that little playground that keeps  
Grace happy while I shop. I'm a regular there.
Paul
On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

> Thanks, Ken, that was most helpful.  I would imagine that if the CF  
> models
> are well made, the aluminum alloy designs would be likewise. I  
> checked into
> your tip about Adray, but the buggers only give the special  
> 'online' price
> if you have it shipped, you cant pick it up at the store. I've  
> pretty much
> decided to get one, and would like to take it to the UP with me at  
> the end
> of the week. I first saw it at Camera Mart, so I think I should buy  
> it from
> them since I'm getting it locally. Store price is about the same. I  
> got into
> a small tiff with an Adray 'salesman' last month regarding his  
> estimation of
> Pentax, so I don't have much trouble avoiding them at the moment.
>
> Anyway, I appreciate your extra effort to help, and will let you  
> know how it
> works out. (Have you noticed how this thread seems to have gotten  
> hijacked
> today?)
>
> Bill Sawyer
> Livonia, MI
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of Ken
> Waller
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: Product Advice - Tripods
>
> Bill, I googled Induro tripods & came up with many links one of  
> which might
> help you
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/indiro413.shtml
> A few minor nits but it sounds like it would be capable. A no no  
> for me
> would be the lack of a flat plate base. It has a center colume whih  
> prevents
>
> getting really low to the ground. You might think of cutting the  
> excess off.
>
> Let me know if you get one how it works out.
>
>> I'm heading up to Seney for a few days. I hope
>> I return with images as good as what you have been posting here  
>> recently -
>> really special stuff.
>
> Thanks Bill.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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Re: OT: Tough times

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> keith_w wrote:
>> > Bob W wrote:
>> >   
>>> >> Things are starting to get really bad. Even in the darkest days of the
>>> >> Irish Potato Famine, even in the worst of 14th-century plague years,
>>> >> even in the depths of the Great Depression I don't think ordinary
>>> >> people had to make sacrifices like this unfortunate woman:
>>> >> http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/
>>> >>
>>> >> Bob
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>> >
>> > This is unquestionably the dumbest blog I've ever read!
>> >
>> > No, nobody asked ~ I'm offering that opinion free of charge!
>> >
>> > keith w  (no relation...)
>> >
>> >   
> Oh come on there must be dumber blogs.  Anybody?
> Wait, what about Kennyboy, doesn't he qualify?

I thought the one about outwitting the Federal Reserve by stuffing 
yourself with cheeseburgers until you were "Too Big To Fail" was 
slightly amusing.

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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Paul Stenquist]

I use the same two lenses for weddings. They're perfectly matched to  
that task.
I would take the friend's comments and divide them by half. Yes, I'm  
sure the D300 offers better autofocus, but defending one's purchase  
tends to multiply benefits exponentially. And don't forget that the  
two lenses you're using are gems. That counts for a lot.
Paul
On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:58 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> That is most likely what I'll do.  The cost of lens switching makes
> it a much bigger deal.  And, I am happy with my lenses.  For weddings
> I'm using the 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 - both of which are just right
> for that venue.
>
> But it would be nice to have Pentax cause some excitement again.
> Seeing one low end body after another released does get rather
> tedious.  A friend of mine just switched away from Pentax to the
> Nikon D300 instead of going with a K20D.  She indicates that the AF
> capability is no comparison between them.  The Nikon is way better in
> her opinion.  The areas she was particularly comparing were low light
> and action.
>
> -- 
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> Bruce
>
>
> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:39:29 PM, you wrote:
>
> PS> I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at  
> last
> PS> weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim
> PS> tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't
> PS> involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I  
> went
> PS> to a hyperfocal setting of f8 with the lens at about 24mm. The  
> flash
> PS> was able to handle that since I had to get in quite close.  
> However,
> PS> I'd love to have even better performance, and I think we'll
> PS> eventually get it. I wouldn't hesitate to move into a K20D if  
> you use
> PS> two cameras. My program is buy the new one and sell the oldest  
> one.
> PS> It's worked fine for me so far.
> PS> Paul
> PS> On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>
>>> That is about the same for me.  Low light performance, low light AF
>>> are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light
>>> performance.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> PS> Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for
>>> PS> wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D,
>>> but it
>>> PS> must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It  
>>> would be
>>> PS> perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a
>>> dozen
>>> PS> lenses. Yikes!
>>> PS> Paul
>>> PS> On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote:
>>>
> 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Your last comment
>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was
>>> introduced in the
>>> ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the  
>>> years, it
>>> needs to
>>> be improved.
>>>
>>
>> Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax  
>> DSLR.
>> When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph
>> dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've
>> learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to
>> say
>> that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is
>> adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than
>> acceptable
>> in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full
>> frame. I
>> can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my  
>> clients
>> are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images.
>> But I
>> would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements
>> are
>> always welcome as well.
>> Paul
>
> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new
> toy) in
> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF
> assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd
> expressions so I turned it off.
>
> Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it
> focused.
>
> Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):
>
> 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: William Stone

[Paul Stenquist]

I remember this shot. Enjoyed seeing it again. Well done.
Paul
On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:29 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:16 PM, frank theriault
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Some may recall I posted this portrait nearly three years ago:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The subject, one of 5 remaining UK ex-soldiers from WWI (and  
>>> WWII) is
>>> having his 108th birthday today...
>>>
>>> 
>>
>> Your portrait is much much better than the one in the article.
>
> Thats an understatement.:-)
>
> Happy Birthday.
>
> Dave
>>
>> Thanks for the update.  He sounds like an amazing man!
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: Published!

[Brendan MacRae]

--- John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > I think I messed with this one a bit in Aperture
> but
> > in the end I removed all the adjustments. What I
> > captured in this shot was certainly not what you
> would
> > see with your eyes as it was much more dimly lit
> and
> > mysterious. But, the place had a very warm feel to
> it
> > and I think this shot captures that. This is
> closer to
> > what you'd see once your eyes adapt to darkness,
> the
> > details just start to come out. I really only
> wanted
> > to show the fantastic murals and this was the best
> way
> > to go. I felt I didn't want to tweak it any
> further
> > and just left it how the camera saw it.
> > 
> > It was the one shot that jumped off the proof
> sheet
> > for the editor. He said, "That's a tough shot to
> get."
> > I wasn't, but I was glad he liked it all the same
> ;-]
> 
> A trick I was told to use for shots like this is to
> have someone control 
> the lights. Turn them off as soon as you trip the
> shutter so they won't 
> burn out the highlights, and extend the exposure
> time to compensate.
> 
> I had to photograph a room lit by an elaborate
> chandelier for a school 
> project and needed detail in the chandelier as well
> as in the room.
> 
> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get just the
> right balance.

Yes, I see how that would work, too.

-Brendan


  

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Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?

[John Sessoms]

From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Looks gorgeous. I can't imagine the price.  :-( G 

Well, whatever you come up with, just add 3 decimal places on the right.


> On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Timber wrote:
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/

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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" 
Subject: PESO - Evening in Montana


> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=611

What a coincidence!!! That's my truck!
Nice shot.

William Robb

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Re: OT (Bikey): A robust defence of Elle Macpherson

[William Robb]

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From: "Ken Waller"
Subject: Re: OT (Bikey): A robust defence of Elle Macpherson


>< Snip >
>>>For some reason, they put ABS on the front, but left the rear free to 
>>>lock
>>>up.
>
> I'm not gonna defend that but obviously it was done in an attempt to keep
> steering control. A neat trick on a low coefficient of friction surface -
> trying to keep up with the out-of-control rear tires. Would have worked
> better if the truck was driven loaded (the vehicle, not the driver!)

On snow or ice, if you were so foolish as to brake a bit too hard and lock 
up the rear, it would immediately start to catch up with the front. If you 
didn't get back on the gas the car did a slow orbit.
Unfortunately, the reason why you weren't on the gas in the first place was 
the need to stop.
They seem to have gotten it mostly right now though. The Titan has excellent 
traction control, though very slippery roads will make the dynamic control 
lose it's little mind. Fortunately, there is a switch on the dashboard for 
those times.

William Robb 


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Re: Published!

[John Sessoms]

From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I think I messed with this one a bit in Aperture but
> in the end I removed all the adjustments. What I
> captured in this shot was certainly not what you would
> see with your eyes as it was much more dimly lit and
> mysterious. But, the place had a very warm feel to it
> and I think this shot captures that. This is closer to
> what you'd see once your eyes adapt to darkness, the
> details just start to come out. I really only wanted
> to show the fantastic murals and this was the best way
> to go. I felt I didn't want to tweak it any further
> and just left it how the camera saw it.
> 
> It was the one shot that jumped off the proof sheet
> for the editor. He said, "That's a tough shot to get."
> I wasn't, but I was glad he liked it all the same ;-]

A trick I was told to use for shots like this is to have someone control 
the lights. Turn them off as soon as you trip the shutter so they won't 
burn out the highlights, and extend the exposure time to compensate.

I had to photograph a room lit by an elaborate chandelier for a school 
project and needed detail in the chandelier as well as in the room.

Sometimes it takes several attempts to get just the right balance.

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Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

[Adam Maas]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-)
>>
>> http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/
>>
> That most certainly is impressive.  The part I like the mostest is the
> interface.  6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch.  Why the hell can't the
> rest of them figure this out?
>
> --
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Because menu diving sucks? And changing anything beyond AF mode,
Shutter and Aperture on the S2 requires a menu-dive?

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Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

[David Savage]

2008/9/24 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-)
>>
>> http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/
>>
> That most certainly is impressive.  The part I like the mostest is the
> interface.  6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch.  Why the hell can't the
> rest of them figure this out?

I like buttons & knobs. It means I don't have to waste time scrolling
through menus.

Sorry Godfrey, but I have to disagree. Like the R series Lickers this
is butt ugly IMO.

:-)

Cheers,


Dave

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Re: Pentax, (Hoya actually), moves all camera and camera lens, manufacturing offshore.

[John Sessoms]

From: Joseph McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To which I might add my two cents...
> 
> The baseplate of my K100, K10, and K20 all state that the camera was  
> "Assembled in the Philippines".  Says nothing about Japan, anywhere.
> 
> My 18-250 mm is labeled "Made in Japan".  But the 12-24 mm, and the  
> 18-55 mm both read "Assembled in Vietnam".

Assembled in Philippines & Assembled in Vietnam could mean they were 
still making parts in Japan.

Now, I suspect, the parts will be made in the same locale where the 
product is assembled.

Bottom line is whatever Pentax camera related work was being done at the 
  Mashiko factory is now going to be done elsewhere. It could adversely 
affect quality or supply while the new workers get up to speed, and that 
would be bad.

But, maybe they're already training the workers and will have them up to 
speed before March next year.

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Re: Semi OT: Online Printing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

My brother feels your pain. He called me today in a complete tailspin  
of anger and frustration trying to get something printed via a  
website. Took an hour to calm him down.

Makes having the R2400 seem a godsend. :-)

G

On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:26 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> Just sent a photo to Xx to get a print. What a f*^%^ng NIGHTMARE
> ... and I work there. It should be easy to upload a photo and have it
> sent to my own lab, but for some reason, they hide the button to  
> select
> print to store.
>
> They have, undoubtedly, the WORST website in the WHOLE FREAKIN' WORLD.
> Whoever invented the roll-over pop-down menu should be taken out and  
> SHOT.
>
> It's even worse in the stores, because all the xx.com kiosks are
> touch screens ... thousands of teeny-tiny little buttons popping in  
> and
> out of existence and none of them having anything to do with what the
> customer wanted, all because they accidentally let a pinky-finger  
> brush
> the screen.
>
> And all the buttons too small for the touch screen to separate them  
> anyway.
>
> Thank you for your patience. I feel better now.


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Re: Semi OT: Online Printing

[Scott Loveless]

John Sessoms wrote:
> Just sent a photo to Xx to get a print. What a f*^%^ng NIGHTMARE
> ... and I work there. It should be easy to upload a photo and have it 
> sent to my own lab, but for some reason, they hide the button to select 
> print to store.
> 
> They have, undoubtedly, the WORST website in the WHOLE FREAKIN' WORLD. 
> Whoever invented the roll-over pop-down menu should be taken out and SHOT.

Agreed.  A lot.

> It's even worse in the stores, because all the xx.com kiosks are 
> touch screens ... thousands of teeny-tiny little buttons popping in and 
> out of existence and none of them having anything to do with what the 
> customer wanted, all because they accidentally let a pinky-finger brush 
> the screen.

Gopher, anyone?

> And all the buttons too small for the touch screen to separate them anyway.
> 
> Thank you for your patience. I feel better now.

John, you're ignoring the most important aspect of the intarweb.  Tell 
us who they are and we can inundate them with nasty-grams about their 
service.


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RE: Product Advice - Tripods

[Bill Sawyer]

My 600 weighs half what Ken's does, so can scrimp more on the tripod

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken
Waller
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Product Advice - Tripods

I'm using a Gitzo 1548 with my 600 - it weighs in @ a little under 6.5 
pounds. No issue with stability but oh my the cost!
I bought it after a few years with a Gitzo 1410, when I was going to be 
lugging it around in Alaska for a few weeks.
It's kinda like racing, "how fast do you want to go - how much money do you 
have"?. In photography " how much weight do you want to eliminate - how much

money do you want to spend?

With the 600, it really woundn't pay to scrimp on the tripod.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Product Advice - Tripods


>I don't think I could lug a 3258 plus camera and lens. That's 17
> pounds of tripod. I use a 3036 Bogen, which weighs in at 10 lbs. It
> can be quite a burden on a hike through the woods. Like the 3268, it
> has the center bracing. It was more than adequate for my 6x7 with
> 300/4, and it gets the job done with the K20D, A400/5.6 and A2X-S
> converter. but It probably wouldn't be stout enough for a 600/4. Good
> thing I can't afford one:-).
> Paul
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:
>
>> I've found that "stiffness" is good and it certainly helps in
>> alleviating
>> the effects of wind, mirror slap, shutter slap, touching the
>> camera, etc.,
>> but nothing tames these problems like mass. The more lbs or kilos
>> (if you
>> prefer) the better. If you want the very best performance, I can't
>> recommend
>> low weight with extreme lenses. I use the strap and sling 'um over my
>> shoulder - or I use one of my sons as a bearer.
>>
>> I use a Bogen (Manfrotto) 3258 most of the time. I also have a
>> 3246, but
>> it's not really stable enough for the really big lenses. Even at
>> it's lowest
>> position, I've had the the upper part of the legs vibrate making
>> the whole
>> tripod vibrate ever so slightly. This is not noticeable with the
>> shorter
>> lenses, but it's a problem with the big ones like the 1000 mm that are
>> pushing the weight limit. Six little wood blocks one on each side
>> of the
>> upper part of each leg kills the vibration, but it's a pain and
>> still not
>> the best answer.
>>
>> I have a 20 lb. barbell weight that I fitted for a 3/8" socket
>> using two
>> steel disks and a cut down one inch bolt and nut drilled and tapped
>> for
>> 3/8". Sometimes I fit this to the 3/8" screw on the bottom of the
>> center
>> post. This takes care of the 67's mirror and curtain slap quite
>> nicely.
>>
>> Regards
>> Bob...
>> ---
>> "I don't mind if you don't like my manners.
>> I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad.
>> I grieve over them long winter evenings."
>>   -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Bill Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>> Hi PDML,
>>>
>>> I need some input regarding the Induro Alloy Series, specifically the
>>> A-414.
>>>
>>> I've been using an old Bogen 3221W with everything but my A600 and
>>> a 3036
>>> for the latter.  I do nature photography mostly, and neither is well
>>> suited,
>>> weight-wise, to hauling any distance. Hence, I want something that is
>>> light
>>> and will handle even the A600.
>>>
>>> Most carbon-fiber offerings are well out of my price range, though
>>> I noted
>>> both the Feisol and Flashpoint CF items recommended here a couple of
>>> months
>>> ago. Those two are still a bit pricey, though not excessively so.
>>> There
>>> are
>>> a couple of other purchases on the near horizon, so I'm watching
>>> costs
>>> right
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I saw (and lifted) the Induro A-414, which was selling
>>> at a
>>> local
>>> store for $199.00. It claims to handle as much total weight as the
>>> 3036
>>> hernia-maker, weighs only a couple of pounds more than the CF
>>> counterparts
>>> mentioned, and seems pretty sturdy and torsion-resistant (the A600
>>> is long
>>> and has the mount at the back end). And it will fit in my checked
>>> luggage,
>>
>>> a
>>> requirement. It looks like what I need, but I want to bounce the
>>> idea off
>>> of
>>> everyone here before I pull out my VISA and add to the household
>>> debt.
>>>
>>> I am grateful for any and all input.


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Re: impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

[Scott Loveless]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-)
> 
> http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/
> 
That most certainly is impressive.  The part I like the mostest is the 
interface.  6 buttons, 2 knobs and a switch.  Why the hell can't the 
rest of them figure this out?

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RE: Product Advice - Tripods

[Bill Sawyer]

Thanks, Ken, that was most helpful.  I would imagine that if the CF models
are well made, the aluminum alloy designs would be likewise. I checked into
your tip about Adray, but the buggers only give the special 'online' price
if you have it shipped, you cant pick it up at the store. I've pretty much
decided to get one, and would like to take it to the UP with me at the end
of the week. I first saw it at Camera Mart, so I think I should buy it from
them since I'm getting it locally. Store price is about the same. I got into
a small tiff with an Adray 'salesman' last month regarding his estimation of
Pentax, so I don't have much trouble avoiding them at the moment. 

Anyway, I appreciate your extra effort to help, and will let you know how it
works out. (Have you noticed how this thread seems to have gotten hijacked
today?)

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken
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Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:13 PM
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Bill, I googled Induro tripods & came up with many links one of which might 
help you
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/indiro413.shtml
A few minor nits but it sounds like it would be capable. A no no for me 
would be the lack of a flat plate base. It has a center colume whih prevents

getting really low to the ground. You might think of cutting the excess off.

Let me know if you get one how it works out.

>I'm heading up to Seney for a few days. I hope
> I return with images as good as what you have been posting here recently -
> really special stuff.

Thanks Bill.

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Semi OT: Online Printing

[John Sessoms]

Just sent a photo to Xx to get a print. What a f*^%^ng NIGHTMARE
... and I work there. It should be easy to upload a photo and have it 
sent to my own lab, but for some reason, they hide the button to select 
print to store.

They have, undoubtedly, the WORST website in the WHOLE FREAKIN' WORLD. 
Whoever invented the roll-over pop-down menu should be taken out and SHOT.

It's even worse in the stores, because all the xx.com kiosks are 
touch screens ... thousands of teeny-tiny little buttons popping in and 
out of existence and none of them having anything to do with what the 
customer wanted, all because they accidentally let a pinky-finger brush 
the screen.

And all the buttons too small for the touch screen to separate them anyway.

Thank you for your patience. I feel better now.

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impressive stuff ... Leica S2 kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Affordable, no. Beautiful ... looks nice to me. :-)

http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2008 entry

Godfrey

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Re: September PUG is up

[Scott Loveless]

Derby Chang wrote:
> Excellent, Scott. Much thanks, especially for making it PicLens 
> compatible. Very enjoyable way to browse through the gallery this way

You're welcome, I guess.  But those guys over at PicLens did all the work.

;)

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Re: PUG gallery usability

[Scott Loveless]

Cory Waters wrote:
> I was having some issues seeing the new month in Firefox 3 but that may 
> be just something about the browser getting so used to those pictures 
> after all this time :)
> Seriously though, I'd like for the site to work with PicLens, but that 
> 's about it.
> CW

Derby says it works with PicLens, though I haven't tried it myself.

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Re: PUG gallery usability

[Cory Waters]

I was having some issues seeing the new month in Firefox 3 but that may 
be just something about the browser getting so used to those pictures 
after all this time :)
Seriously though, I'd like for the site to work with PicLens, but that 
's about it.
CW

Scott Loveless wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Anyone having problems seeing the PUG?  Or have you noticed any issues 
> with particular browsers?
>
> I've tested the gallery a few times with Firefox 2 and 3, Opera 
> 9.something and IE6 on a Windows box, and Firefox 3 and Opera 9.52 on my 
> Linux machine.  Recent feedback indicates that the IE8 beta doesn't like 
> the PUG very much, but this could just be "beta" issues or Microsoft 
> shenanigans.  I'd like to hear from folks running IE7 or IE8 on Windows 
> specifically and Mac users in general.
>
> Thanks a bunch!
>
>   
> 
>
>
> Internal Virus Database is out of date.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1677 - Release Date: 9/17/2008 
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Re: Product Advice - Tripods

[Ken Waller]

I'm using a Gitzo 1548 with my 600 - it weighs in @ a little under 6.5 
pounds. No issue with stability but oh my the cost!
I bought it after a few years with a Gitzo 1410, when I was going to be 
lugging it around in Alaska for a few weeks.
It's kinda like racing, "how fast do you want to go - how much money do you 
have"?. In photography " how much weight do you want to eliminate - how much 
money do you want to spend?

With the 600, it really woundn't pay to scrimp on the tripod.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Product Advice - Tripods


>I don't think I could lug a 3258 plus camera and lens. That's 17
> pounds of tripod. I use a 3036 Bogen, which weighs in at 10 lbs. It
> can be quite a burden on a hike through the woods. Like the 3268, it
> has the center bracing. It was more than adequate for my 6x7 with
> 300/4, and it gets the job done with the K20D, A400/5.6 and A2X-S
> converter. but It probably wouldn't be stout enough for a 600/4. Good
> thing I can't afford one:-).
> Paul
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:
>
>> I've found that "stiffness" is good and it certainly helps in
>> alleviating
>> the effects of wind, mirror slap, shutter slap, touching the
>> camera, etc.,
>> but nothing tames these problems like mass. The more lbs or kilos
>> (if you
>> prefer) the better. If you want the very best performance, I can't
>> recommend
>> low weight with extreme lenses. I use the strap and sling 'um over my
>> shoulder - or I use one of my sons as a bearer.
>>
>> I use a Bogen (Manfrotto) 3258 most of the time. I also have a
>> 3246, but
>> it's not really stable enough for the really big lenses. Even at
>> it's lowest
>> position, I've had the the upper part of the legs vibrate making
>> the whole
>> tripod vibrate ever so slightly. This is not noticeable with the
>> shorter
>> lenses, but it's a problem with the big ones like the 1000 mm that are
>> pushing the weight limit. Six little wood blocks one on each side
>> of the
>> upper part of each leg kills the vibration, but it's a pain and
>> still not
>> the best answer.
>>
>> I have a 20 lb. barbell weight that I fitted for a 3/8" socket
>> using two
>> steel disks and a cut down one inch bolt and nut drilled and tapped
>> for
>> 3/8". Sometimes I fit this to the 3/8" screw on the bottom of the
>> center
>> post. This takes care of the 67's mirror and curtain slap quite
>> nicely.
>>
>> Regards
>> Bob...
>> ---
>> "I don't mind if you don't like my manners.
>> I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad.
>> I grieve over them long winter evenings."
>>   -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Bill Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>> Hi PDML,
>>>
>>> I need some input regarding the Induro Alloy Series, specifically the
>>> A-414.
>>>
>>> I've been using an old Bogen 3221W with everything but my A600 and
>>> a 3036
>>> for the latter.  I do nature photography mostly, and neither is well
>>> suited,
>>> weight-wise, to hauling any distance. Hence, I want something that is
>>> light
>>> and will handle even the A600.
>>>
>>> Most carbon-fiber offerings are well out of my price range, though
>>> I noted
>>> both the Feisol and Flashpoint CF items recommended here a couple of
>>> months
>>> ago. Those two are still a bit pricey, though not excessively so.
>>> There
>>> are
>>> a couple of other purchases on the near horizon, so I'm watching
>>> costs
>>> right
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I saw (and lifted) the Induro A-414, which was selling
>>> at a
>>> local
>>> store for $199.00. It claims to handle as much total weight as the
>>> 3036
>>> hernia-maker, weighs only a couple of pounds more than the CF
>>> counterparts
>>> mentioned, and seems pretty sturdy and torsion-resistant (the A600
>>> is long
>>> and has the mount at the back end). And it will fit in my checked
>>> luggage,
>>
>>> a
>>> requirement. It looks like what I need, but I want to bounce the
>>> idea off
>>> of
>>> everyone here before I pull out my VISA and add to the household
>>> debt.
>>>
>>> I am grateful for any and all input.


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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Ken Waller]

I understand there once was a University of Fork,
where the students would chant at athletic events 

"FORK U";+}

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From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Official, details on Dpreview


> frank theriault wrote:
>> Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne
>> had thousands of forks.  The unicorns had to eat with something, as
>> you can well imagine.
> 
> What a coincidence.  I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. 
>  Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago.  Lunch 
> time was particularly messy.
> 
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Bruce Dayton]

That is most likely what I'll do.  The cost of lens switching makes
it a much bigger deal.  And, I am happy with my lenses.  For weddings
I'm using the 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 - both of which are just right
for that venue.

But it would be nice to have Pentax cause some excitement again.
Seeing one low end body after another released does get rather
tedious.  A friend of mine just switched away from Pentax to the
Nikon D300 instead of going with a K20D.  She indicates that the AF
capability is no comparison between them.  The Nikon is way better in
her opinion.  The areas she was particularly comparing were low light
and action.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:39:29 PM, you wrote:

PS> I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at last  
PS> weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim  
PS> tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't  
PS> involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I went  
PS> to a hyperfocal setting of f8 with the lens at about 24mm. The flash  
PS> was able to handle that since I had to get in quite close. However,  
PS> I'd love to have even better performance, and I think we'll  
PS> eventually get it. I wouldn't hesitate to move into a K20D if you use
PS> two cameras. My program is buy the new one and sell the oldest one.  
PS> It's worked fine for me so far.
PS> Paul
PS> On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> That is about the same for me.  Low light performance, low light AF
>> are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light
>> performance.
>>
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> PS> Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for
>> PS> wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D,  
>> but it
>> PS> must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be
>> PS> perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a  
>> dozen
>> PS> lenses. Yikes!
>> PS> Paul
>> PS> On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote:
>>
 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Your last comment
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
>>
>> It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was
>> introduced in the
>> ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it
>> needs to
>> be improved.
>>
>
> Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR.
> When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph
> dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've
> learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to  
> say
> that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is
> adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than  
> acceptable
> in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full  
> frame. I
> can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients
> are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images.  
> But I
> would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements  
> are
> always welcome as well.
> Paul

 I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new  
 toy) in
 a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF
 assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd
 expressions so I turned it off.

 Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it  
 focused.

 Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):

 

 Cheers,

 Dave

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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

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> On 23/9/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>>Remember "When you come to the fork in the road, take it!"  -- Yogi Berra
> 
> When you reach the top of the mountain, keep going! -- The Buddha.


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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

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On 23/9/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Remember "When you come to the fork in the road, take it!"  -- Yogi Berra

When you reach the top of the mountain, keep going! -- The Buddha.

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Re: Peso: The Fungus Family

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There's an interesting pearlescent translucency to the rendering here  
which I quite like.

Godfrey

On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:50 PM, William Robb wrote:

> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms1.html
>
> K20D, A100mm f/2.8 at f22
> This is a 3 exposure HDR image.


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Re: Product Advice - Tripods

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I use those effete, ultra-light carbon fiber jobbies. When I need more  
mass, I hang a net bag from the upper clamp and fill it with rocks I  
gather at the site, or a couple of full water bottles, and/or my  
camera bag.

Hate carrying heavy stuff. But then I only rarely work with lenses  
much longer than 100-200 mm.

It's probably not appropriate to proper use with a 600mm lens, but  
while on the IoM I borrowed Paul's Manfrotto 190CX aluminum legs and  
fitted my Markins Q3 Emille to them. It turned out to be an excellent  
tripod for my needs (fast, tall enough, light, easy to work with) to  
the point where I'm considering picking up a set of the 190CXPRO3  
(carbon fiber version) legs.

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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Doug Franklin]

Margus Männik wrote:

> Who knows... haven't been there, haven't seen that :) It is highly 
> possible, that in some regions fork was more known and accepted than in 
> others.

I'll have to ask my Bulgarian friend to query his friends there.  Since 
the area's been constantly inhabited for nearly 8000 years, they're 
likely to have been early on the exposure/adoption curve for forks and 
lots of other stuff.

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Re: PESO - "Some of the Trees up North"

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

significant improvement. :-)

G

On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

> Thanks Godfrey.
>
> Check it out now.
> I was a little too hasty in my initial web conversion.
>
>>> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[David J Brooks]

Opps, missed shot number 2.

That one i really like.

Dave

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Took my first turn around the country side since my rotator cup surgery in 
> mid July. Had to shoot something and settled for a fence line which has 
> always caught my eye.
> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but was perhaps shot with 
> a bit too great a DoF.
>
> Jack
>
> Comments encouraged!
>
> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
>
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Re: PUG gallery usability

[Doug Franklin]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> Howdy.
> 
> Anyone having problems seeing the PUG?  Or have you noticed any issues 
> with particular browsers?
> 
> I've tested the gallery a few times with Firefox 2 and 3, Opera 
> 9.something and IE6 on a Windows box, and Firefox 3 and Opera 9.52 on my 
> Linux machine.  Recent feedback indicates that the IE8 beta doesn't like 
> the PUG very much, but this could just be "beta" issues or Microsoft 
> shenanigans.  I'd like to hear from folks running IE7 or IE8 on Windows 
> specifically and Mac users in general.

I don't have any problem seeing it with Opera 9.51, Firefox 3.0.1, and 
IE 6, all on Windows XP Pro SP2.  I haven't let IE7 on my machine, yet, 
much less IE8.  Maybe once I get VMware working effectively.

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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[David J Brooks]

Love the way the fence is sitting, breaking up the stark landscape.

You need to sell me that lens.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Took my first turn around the country side since my rotator cup surgery in 
> mid July. Had to shoot something and settled for a fence line which has 
> always caught my eye.
> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but was perhaps shot with 
> a bit too great a DoF.
>
> Jack
>
> Comments encouraged!
>
> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
>
> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
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Re: Anyone Remember This Old PDML'er

[David J Brooks]

Must be before my time, the name is not familiar.

Can't seem to open his photos

Dave

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:04 PM, John Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I remember Roberto very well - he is a very good photographer and was a loss
> to the PDML when he went.
>
>
> John Coyle
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>
>
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>
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Re: Sheep

[Doug Franklin]

Bob W wrote:

>> How does one get to be a Freeman?  Can I apply?
> 
> Yes: http://tinyurl.com/4g5m7j
> 
> http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_c
> ulture/Local_history_and_heritage/Freedom_of_City/applying.htm

Wow, that would be pretty cool, in an odd and oblique sort of way for 
me, since I'm not even a resident of England, much less London.  Plus, 
my family tree sort of comes from "the other side of the tracks": Wales, 
Ireland, Scotland, and Normandy, for the most part. :-)

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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[David J Brooks]

Good shot Doug.

It rteally has a peacefull feel to it, even in rush hour.

Dave

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Re: William Stone

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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:16 PM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Some may recall I posted this portrait nearly three years ago:
>>
>> 
>>
>> The subject, one of 5 remaining UK ex-soldiers from WWI (and WWII) is
>> having his 108th birthday today...
>>
>> 
>
> Your portrait is much much better than the one in the article.

Thats an understatement.:-)

Happy Birthday.

Dave
>
> Thanks for the update.  He sounds like an amazing man!
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Re: Peso: The Fungus Family

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Very nice Bill.

Like the soft, sharp look to it.

Dave

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> I found this in a forest, of all places.
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms1.html
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> This is a 3 exposure HDR image.
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Re: Sheep

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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:57 AM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A colleague of mine is a Freeman of the City of London. One of the
>> traditional rights of the freemen is the right to drive sheep over
>> London Bridge, so this morning that's what they did. Alteratively,
>> they're all out of work as a result of the recent financial
>> shenanigans and this is the only way they can make a living now.
>>
>> I went along to take pictures. Unfortunately when it came turn for my
>> colleague the police had shepherded the unofficial photographers like
>> myself away, so I didn't get any decent close shots of him. Still,
>> hope you find these interesting.
>>
>> http://www.web-options.com/LBP/
>>
>> Little Bob Peep
>>
>>
>
> How does one get to be a Freeman?  Can I apply?

You need to join the Bow Peep group first. then move up

Dave
>
> I like the pix, although the people seemed to be enjoying the
> proceedings more than the sheep.
>
> ;-)
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Jack Davis]

Generous comments, Paul Thanks!

Jack


--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:44 PM
> Missed these earlier. I like both of them. The first is
> superb.  
> Excellent composition.
> Paul
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > Thanks, Bruce. Guess that was the result of my wanting
> to show  
> > detail segments as well as the entire post. May have
> gotten a  
> > little too close.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Bruce Dayton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bruce Dayton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
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> >> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:22 PM
> >> Like the second one a bit more.  The crop seems
> just a tad
> >> tight -
> >> almost lets you miss that it is being held up.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:26:09 AM, you
> wrote:
> >>
> >> JD> Took my first turn around the country side
> since my
> >> rotator cup
> >> JD> surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something
> and
> >> settled for a
> >> JD> fence line which has always caught my eye.
> >> JD> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort
> I like,
> >> but was
> >> JD> perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
> >>
> >> JD> Jack
> >>
> >> JD> Comments encouraged!
> >>
> >> JD> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000,
> 320mm:
> >>
> >> JD>
> >>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
> >>
> >> JD> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180,
> 108mm:
> >>
> >> JD>
> >>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> JD>
> >>
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Jack Davis]

Thank you, Christine and you're right, I should have allowed a looser crop.

Jack


--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Christine Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Christine Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:13 PM
> Hi Jack:  Glad you're feeling better.  I like the 2nd
> one best, but I wonder 
> if more room at the bottom  would work--so you get the idea
> of the post 
> hanging.  And, boy, that Cloud Wave shot is a stunner! 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> 
> 
> > Thanks, Frank. In response to your question about the
> area, am attaching a 
> > shot of the "Sutter Buttes", the lower
> ramparts of which were the location 
> > of the "Fence Stuff" snaps.
> > Incidentally (thanks for asking), this shot is going
> to be used in "The 
> > Middle Mountain Foundations" (The Sutter Buttes
> Regional Land Trust)'09 
> > calendar as well as for the cover. A second image will
> also be used.
> > The Sutter Buttes are known as 'The World's
> Smallest Mountain Range'. Has 
> > something to do with the claim that they qualify as a
> mountain range due 
> > to their meeting the criteria of generating their own
> weather.(?)
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > ME Super, M-28mm, f/2.8 about 1985
> >
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=331
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 9/23/08, frank theriault
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> From: frank theriault
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
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> >> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:22 AM
> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Jack Davis
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Took my first turn around the country side
> since my
> >> rotator cup surgery in mid July. Had to shoot
> something and
> >> settled for a fence line which has always caught
> my eye.
> >> > Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I
> like, but
> >> was perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
> >> >
> >> > Jack
> >> >
> >> > Comments encouraged!
> >> >
> >> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000,
> 320mm:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
> >> >
> >> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
> >> >
> >>
> >> Jack,
> >>
> >> Nice to hear that you're out and about again. 
> Both of
> >> these are
> >> lovely shots.  What I like about the first one
> (Fenceline)
> >> is the
> >> wondering of what's on the other side of the
> hill.
> >> More of the same?
> >> A lush valley?  A town or village?  It looks so
> isolated
> >> there as
> >> shot!
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> frank
> >>
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RE: Anyone Remember This Old PDML'er

[John Coyle]

I remember Roberto very well - he is a very good photographer and was a loss
to the PDML when he went.


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I used to correcpond briefly with him back in the mid to late 90's and
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Paul Stenquist]

Missed these earlier. I like both of them. The first is superb.  
Excellent composition.
Paul
On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Thanks, Bruce. Guess that was the result of my wanting to show  
> detail segments as well as the entire post. May have gotten a  
> little too close.
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:22 PM
>> Like the second one a bit more.  The crop seems just a tad
>> tight -
>> almost lets you miss that it is being held up.
>>
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:26:09 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> JD> Took my first turn around the country side since my
>> rotator cup
>> JD> surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something and
>> settled for a
>> JD> fence line which has always caught my eye.
>> JD> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like,
>> but was
>> JD> perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
>>
>> JD> Jack
>>
>> JD> Comments encouraged!
>>
>> JD> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
>>
>> JD>
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
>>
>> JD> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
>>
>> JD>
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
>>
>>
>>
>> JD>
>>
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview + Oops fix

[John Graves]

Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday 
that a fork in time saves nine!

John Graves
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Scott Loveless wrote:
frank theriault wrote:
 
> Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne
> had thousands of forks.  The unicorns had to eat with something, as
> you can well imagine.
> 

What a coincidence.  I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. 
  Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago.  Lunch 
time was particularly messy.

  


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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[Paul Stenquist]

An excellent shot. Mark's comment is apropos, but I still like the  
shot a lot as presented.
Paul
On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Doug Brewer wrote:
>> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=611
>
> Nice mood but I keep wanting to tilt the camera upward; partly to
> de-center the horizon a bit and show less of the rather empty
> foreground, but also because, well, it's Montana! "Big Sky Country",
> right? More sky!
>
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Paul Stenquist]

I was pleased with the low light autofocus performance I got at last  
weeks wedding reception with the K20D and DA* 16-50/2.8. In dim  
tungsten lighting, I didn't have a problem with shots that didn't  
involve a lot of action. For some of the late night dancing, I went  
to a hyperfocal setting of f8 with the lens at about 24mm. The flash  
was able to handle that since I had to get in quite close. However,  
I'd love to have even better performance, and I think we'll  
eventually get it. I wouldn't hesitate to move into a K20D if you use  
two cameras. My program is buy the new one and sell the oldest one.  
It's worked fine for me so far.
Paul
On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> That is about the same for me.  Low light performance, low light AF
> are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light
> performance.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote:
>
> PS> Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for
> PS> wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D,  
> but it
> PS> must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be
> PS> perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a  
> dozen
> PS> lenses. Yikes!
> PS> Paul
> PS> On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote:
>
>>> 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Your last comment
 On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote:

>
> It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was
> introduced in the
> ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it
> needs to
> be improved.
>

 Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR.
 When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph
 dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've
 learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to  
 say
 that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is
 adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than  
 acceptable
 in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full  
 frame. I
 can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients
 are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images.  
 But I
 would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements  
 are
 always welcome as well.
 Paul
>>>
>>> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new  
>>> toy) in
>>> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF
>>> assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd
>>> expressions so I turned it off.
>>>
>>> Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it  
>>> focused.
>>>
>>> Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[P. J. Alling]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had
>> such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon -
>> the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world
>> was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes,
>> Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own
>> standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time
>> in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor
>> or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another
>> fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it.
>> 
>
> Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne
> had thousands of forks.  The unicorns had to eat with something, as
> you can well imagine.
>
> European explorers, soldiers and adventurers went searching for this
> mythical kingdom over a period of hundreds of years, based on a letter
> that circulated among the courts, however despite near misses, the
> Kingdom was never found.  It was later said that the letter(s) were a
> hoax, but I think they only said that to explain their lousy sense of
> direction and the fact that they never found it.
>
> It seems that whevever they came to the fork in the road they chose
> the wrong way.  They said "we won't get fooled this tine..."
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>   
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Re: Product Advice - Tripods

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't think I could lug a 3258 plus camera and lens. That's 17  
pounds of tripod. I use a 3036 Bogen, which weighs in at 10 lbs. It  
can be quite a burden on a hike through the woods. Like the 3268, it  
has the center bracing. It was more than adequate for my 6x7 with  
300/4, and it gets the job done with the K20D, A400/5.6 and A2X-S  
converter. but It probably wouldn't be stout enough for a 600/4. Good  
thing I can't afford one:-).
Paul
On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:

> I've found that "stiffness" is good and it certainly helps in  
> alleviating
> the effects of wind, mirror slap, shutter slap, touching the  
> camera, etc.,
> but nothing tames these problems like mass. The more lbs or kilos  
> (if you
> prefer) the better. If you want the very best performance, I can't  
> recommend
> low weight with extreme lenses. I use the strap and sling 'um over my
> shoulder - or I use one of my sons as a bearer.
>
> I use a Bogen (Manfrotto) 3258 most of the time. I also have a  
> 3246, but
> it's not really stable enough for the really big lenses. Even at  
> it's lowest
> position, I've had the the upper part of the legs vibrate making  
> the whole
> tripod vibrate ever so slightly. This is not noticeable with the  
> shorter
> lenses, but it's a problem with the big ones like the 1000 mm that are
> pushing the weight limit. Six little wood blocks one on each side  
> of the
> upper part of each leg kills the vibration, but it's a pain and  
> still not
> the best answer.
>
> I have a 20 lb. barbell weight that I fitted for a 3/8" socket  
> using two
> steel disks and a cut down one inch bolt and nut drilled and tapped  
> for
> 3/8". Sometimes I fit this to the 3/8" screw on the bottom of the  
> center
> post. This takes care of the 67's mirror and curtain slap quite  
> nicely.
>
> Regards
> Bob...
> ---
> "I don't mind if you don't like my manners.
> I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad.
> I grieve over them long winter evenings."
>   -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Hi PDML,
>>
>> I need some input regarding the Induro Alloy Series, specifically the
>> A-414.
>>
>> I've been using an old Bogen 3221W with everything but my A600 and  
>> a 3036
>> for the latter.  I do nature photography mostly, and neither is well
>> suited,
>> weight-wise, to hauling any distance. Hence, I want something that is
>> light
>> and will handle even the A600.
>>
>> Most carbon-fiber offerings are well out of my price range, though  
>> I noted
>> both the Feisol and Flashpoint CF items recommended here a couple of
>> months
>> ago. Those two are still a bit pricey, though not excessively so.  
>> There
>> are
>> a couple of other purchases on the near horizon, so I'm watching  
>> costs
>> right
>> now.
>>
>> Yesterday, I saw (and lifted) the Induro A-414, which was selling  
>> at a
>> local
>> store for $199.00. It claims to handle as much total weight as the  
>> 3036
>> hernia-maker, weighs only a couple of pounds more than the CF  
>> counterparts
>> mentioned, and seems pretty sturdy and torsion-resistant (the A600  
>> is long
>> and has the mount at the back end). And it will fit in my checked  
>> luggage,
>
>> a
>> requirement. It looks like what I need, but I want to bounce the  
>> idea off
>> of
>> everyone here before I pull out my VISA and add to the household  
>> debt.
>>
>> I am grateful for any and all input.
>
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Re: William Stone

[Christine Aguila]

I agree with Frank.  Lovely portrait, Cotty.  Cheers, Christine


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To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: William Stone


> On 23/9/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The subject, one of 5 remaining UK ex-soldiers from WWI (and WWII) is
>>> having his 108th birthday today...
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>Your portrait is much much better than the one in the article.
>>
>>Thanks for the update.  He sounds like an amazing man!
>
> Thanks Frank.
>
> He was on good form but his short term memory is hosed. Our reporter
> asked him what he wanted most for his birthday and he said 'is it my
> birthday?' and then couldn't remember his age - lots of prompting by 4
> generations of offspring. He sang at every opportunity. I showed him my
> portrait of him on my iPhone and he was genuinely amused - he
> remembered  when it was shot 3 years ago, so he's not gone completely.
>
> Lovely bloke - 108 - can you believe it!
>
> He kept saying, "Yes I'm not bad for 106 am I !"
>
> And then off from camera right: "108!!!"
>
> And he would quickly add: " 108! "
>
> It was beautiful.
>
>
>
> --
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>
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
>
>
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[John Graves]

Just think of the messages we are saving...I read just yesterday 
that a fork in saves nine!

John Graves
WA1JG



Scott Loveless wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>   
>> Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne
>> had thousands of forks.  The unicorns had to eat with something, as
>> you can well imagine.
>> 
>
> What a coincidence.  I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. 
>   Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago.  Lunch 
> time was particularly messy.
>
>   
> 
>
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Re: PUG gallery usability

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Scott:  I use IE7 and had no problems.  I did a quick look at it 
yesterday when posted, and I just looked again just now, and I had no 
problems.  Cheers, Christine


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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: PUG gallery usability


> Howdy.
>
> Anyone having problems seeing the PUG?  Or have you noticed any issues
> with particular browsers?
>
> I've tested the gallery a few times with Firefox 2 and 3, Opera
> 9.something and IE6 on a Windows box, and Firefox 3 and Opera 9.52 on my
> Linux machine.  Recent feedback indicates that the IE8 beta doesn't like
> the PUG very much, but this could just be "beta" issues or Microsoft
> shenanigans.  I'd like to hear from folks running IE7 or IE8 on Windows
> specifically and Mac users in general.
>
> Thanks a bunch!
>
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Re: Peso: The Fungus Family

[Christine Aguila]

William:  I would call that a HDR success--and a big one at that :-) 
Lovely.  Cheers, Christine


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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: Peso: The Fungus Family
>
>
>> Bill,
>> Why the 3 exposure HDR image.  Was it that dark in the forest?
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>
> It was pretty dim, but mostly, I just wanted to try some HDR stuff.
>
> Thanks for the look
> bill
>
>
>>>
>>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms1.html
>>>
>
>
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Re: PESO Shoemobile

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks Frank & Rick.  I muttered a few colorful adjectives, once the car 
crept in.  Still--it's just a fun playful shot.  Actually the black helmet 
makes it for me. :-) Thanks again.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Re: PESO Shoemobile


>I prefer the tighter crop. Pity that car was in the way...
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Christine Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Christine Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: PESO Shoemobile
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 1:18 AM
>> Hi Everyone:
>>
>> On a little walkabout earlier today in downtown Chicago.
>> Would be
>> interested in knowing which crop you prefer.
>>
>> K10D, ISO 200, DA* 50mm - 135mm @ 50mm, 1/400 sec @ f4.
>>
>> near full frame
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7864882
>>
>> tighter
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7864878
>>
>> comments/critique welcome.
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Doug:  Stunning as is.  You're making me all dreamy for another trip out 
west.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO - Evening in Montana


> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=611
>
> enjoy
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Jack:  Glad you're feeling better.  I like the 2nd one best, but I wonder 
if more room at the bottom  would work--so you get the idea of the post 
hanging.  And, boy, that Cloud Wave shot is a stunner!  Cheers, Christine


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> Thanks, Frank. In response to your question about the area, am attaching a 
> shot of the "Sutter Buttes", the lower ramparts of which were the location 
> of the "Fence Stuff" snaps.
> Incidentally (thanks for asking), this shot is going to be used in "The 
> Middle Mountain Foundations" (The Sutter Buttes Regional Land Trust)'09 
> calendar as well as for the cover. A second image will also be used.
> The Sutter Buttes are known as 'The World's Smallest Mountain Range'. Has 
> something to do with the claim that they qualify as a mountain range due 
> to their meeting the criteria of generating their own weather.(?)
>
> Jack
>
> ME Super, M-28mm, f/2.8 about 1985
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=331
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:22 AM
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Jack Davis
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Took my first turn around the country side since my
>> rotator cup surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something and
>> settled for a fence line which has always caught my eye.
>> > Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but
>> was perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>> > Comments encouraged!
>> >
>> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
>> >
>> >
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
>> >
>> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
>> >
>> >
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
>> >
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Nice to hear that you're out and about again.  Both of
>> these are
>> lovely shots.  What I like about the first one (Fenceline)
>> is the
>> wondering of what's on the other side of the hill.
>> More of the same?
>> A lush valley?  A town or village?  It looks so isolated
>> there as
>> shot!
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: Fence Stuff

[Jack Davis]

Much appreciated, Ken. I agree with you about the lack of sky detail.

Jack


--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Fence Stuff
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 12:41 PM
> Good eye Jack, I like the first. Would be even better with a
> little detail 
> in the sky, but still nice as is.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: Fence Stuff
> 
> 
> > Took my first turn around the country side since my
> rotator cup surgery in 
> > mid July. Had to shoot something and settled for a
> fence line which has 
> > always caught my eye.
> > Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but
> was perhaps shot 
> > with a bit too great a DoF.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > Comments encouraged!
> >
> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
> >
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> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Bruce. Guess that was the result of my wanting to show detail segments 
as well as the entire post. May have gotten a little too close.

Jack


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> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:22 PM
> Like the second one a bit more.  The crop seems just a tad
> tight -
> almost lets you miss that it is being held up.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:26:09 AM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> Took my first turn around the country side since my
> rotator cup
> JD> surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something and
> settled for a
> JD> fence line which has always caught my eye.
> JD> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like,
> but was
> JD> perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
> 
> JD> Jack
> 
> JD> Comments encouraged!
> 
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> 
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

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On 23/9/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> Fork handles? Got any fork handles?
>
>Over there, next to the plugs.

Try here :)



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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

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frank theriault wrote:
> Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne
> had thousands of forks.  The unicorns had to eat with something, as
> you can well imagine.

What a coincidence.  I got my diploma from Prester Johanne High School. 
  Unfortunately, the unicorns ran off with the forks long ago.  Lunch 
time was particularly messy.

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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Margus Männik]

Holy Fork :)

BR, Margus


Bob W wrote:
> No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had
> such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon -
> the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world
> was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes,
> Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own
> standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time
> in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor
> or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another
> fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it. 
>
> Bob
>
>
>   
>> Well OK, let's continue with Wikipedia (right after the what I
>> 
> copied 
>   
>> last time):
>> "It was proper for a guest to arrive with his own fork and spoon 
>> enclosed in a box called a /cadena/"
>> In other words, everyone had their OWN fork, not just one for 
>> a whole table.
>>
>> BR, Margus
>>
>>
>> Bob W wrote:
>> 
>>> but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in
>>> those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made
>>> another. After that forks started to get out of hand. 
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Hi there,

 copy-paste from Wikipedia:
 "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by 
 
>> Theophanu
>> 
 
 
>>>   
>>>   
 , Byzantine wife of 
 Emperor Otto 
 II , the table fork had, by
 
 
>>> the 
>>>   
>>>   
 11th century, made its way to Italy 
 . In Italy, it became 
 quite popular 
 by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by 
 
>> merchant and 
>> 
 upper classes by 1600."

 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for
 
> me...
>   
 BR, Margus


 frank theriault wrote:
 
 
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage 
>   
>   
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
 
>   
>   
>   
>> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the 
>> 
>> 
 new toy) in
 
 
>> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the
>> 
>> 
>>> AF
>>>   
>>>   
>> assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few
>> 
> odd
>   
>> expressions so I turned it off.
>>
>> Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well 
>> 
>> 
 it focused.
 
 
>> Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):
>>
>>
>> 
> 
>   
>> 
>> 
>> 
> The guy on the left has a fork.  They never had forks in 
>   
>   
 medieval times.
 
 
> Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either.  I
>   
> think
>   
> they had like old folding Kodaks or something.
>
> I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding).
>
> cheers,
> frank
>   
>   
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had
> such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon -
> the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world
> was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes,
> Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own
> standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time
> in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor
> or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another
> fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it.

Actually, in a fantastic kingdom somewhere past India, Prester Johanne
had thousands of forks.  The unicorns had to eat with something, as
you can well imagine.

European explorers, soldiers and adventurers went searching for this
mythical kingdom over a period of hundreds of years, based on a letter
that circulated among the courts, however despite near misses, the
Kingdom was never found.  It was later said that the letter(s) were a
hoax, but I think they only said that to explain their lousy sense of
direction and the fact that they never found it.

It seems that whevever they came to the fork in the road they chose
the wrong way.  They said "we won't get fooled this tine..."

cheers,
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Margus Männik]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hi there,
>>
>> copy-paste from Wikipedia:
>> "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu
>> , Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto
>> II , the table fork had, by the
>> 11th century, made its way to Italy
>> . In Italy, it became quite popular
>> by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and
>> upper classes by 1600."
>>
>> 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me...
>>
>> BR, Margus
>> 
>
> I don't know that this is definitive, but it seems that forks didn't
> make their way into Western Europe until the 16th Century and even
> then didn't catch on quickly:
>
> http://www.hospitalityguild.com/History/history_of_the_fork.htm
>
> By my sketchy knowledge of history, that's well after medieval times.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>   
Who knows... haven't been there, haven't seen that :) It is highly 
possible, that in some regions fork was more known and accepted than in 
others. As they had no digital cameras those days (poor guys even had no 
film cameras and as we know - paintings do lie) we have no chance to 
check it out. I believe I've seen some really old forks here in local 
history museum (Tallinn is quite an old town, first mentioned in 1154). 
Whatever happened in history - we have really good medieval (15th 
century) restaurant here and they (thanks a lot!) do have forks :)

BR, Margus

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RE: Official, details on Dpreview

[Bob W]

No, no, no. There was only one fork in the whole world! But it had
such prestige that people brought a cadena containing only a spoon -
the fork space was there simply to impress. You see, the whole world
was caught in a lie that no one could break out of. It was only Popes,
Emperors and the Negus who ever owned THE fork, but to boost their own
standing lesser mortals would make space in their cadena for the time
in some unspecified future when they would rise to being Pope, Emperor
or Negus. Nobody at that time had thought of actually making another
fork, except of course Joan of Arc, and we toasted her with it. 

Bob


> 
> Well OK, let's continue with Wikipedia (right after the what I
copied 
> last time):
> "It was proper for a guest to arrive with his own fork and spoon 
> enclosed in a box called a /cadena/"
> In other words, everyone had their OWN fork, not just one for 
> a whole table.
> 
> BR, Margus
> 
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> > but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in
> > those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made
> > another. After that forks started to get out of hand. 
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >   
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> copy-paste from Wikipedia:
> >> "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by 
> Theophanu
> >> 
> >
> >   
> >> , Byzantine wife of 
> >> Emperor Otto 
> >> II , the table fork had, by
> >> 
> > the 
> >   
> >> 11th century, made its way to Italy 
> >> . In Italy, it became 
> >> quite popular 
> >> by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by 
> merchant and 
> >> upper classes by 1600."
> >>
> >> 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for
me...
> >>
> >> BR, Margus
> >>
> >>
> >> frank theriault wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage 
> >>>   
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>   
> >>>   
>  I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the 
>  
> >> new toy) in
> >> 
>  a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the
>  
> > AF
> >   
>  assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few
odd
>  expressions so I turned it off.
> 
>  Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well 
>  
> >> it focused.
> >> 
>  Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):
> 
> 

>  
>  
> >>> The guy on the left has a fork.  They never had forks in 
> >>>   
> >> medieval times.
> >> 
> >>> Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either.  I
think
> >>> they had like old folding Kodaks or something.
> >>>
> >>> I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding).
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> frank
> >>>   
> >
> >
> >   
> 
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Steve Desjardins]

Hey, what the hell is this photography comment doing here?  Some people
have no respect for forks.

>>> Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/23/2008 3:41 PM >>>
That is about the same for me.  Low light performance, low light AF
are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote:

PS> Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for  
PS> wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it
 
PS> must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be 

PS> perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a
dozen
PS> lenses. Yikes!
PS> Paul
PS> On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote:

>> 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Your last comment
>>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>>

 It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was
 introduced in the
 ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years,
it
 needs to
 be improved.

>>>
>>> Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR.
>>> When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph
>>> dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've
>>> learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to
say
>>> that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is
>>> adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than
acceptable
>>> in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame.
I
>>> can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my
clients
>>> are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But
I
>>> would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements
are
>>> always welcome as well.
>>> Paul
>>
>> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new toy)
in
>> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF
>> assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd
>> expressions so I turned it off.
>>
>> Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it
focused.
>>
>> Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Brewer wrote:
> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=611

Nice mood but I keep wanting to tilt the camera upward; partly to 
de-center the horizon a bit and show less of the rather empty 
foreground, but also because, well, it's Montana! "Big Sky Country", 
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Re: Its up to the PDML now

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just about ready, as soon as i send this email, and turn off the
>> computer, to mount all my Markham Fair photos for
>> this years contest.
>>
>> Submitting all of the ones that got at least 1 thumb up form here and PPG.:-)
>>
>> So, this year, if i don't do well, its your fault.:-)
> 
> You can't lose, Dave!

I'd just like to add that I think "Markham Fair" sounds line the name of 
the hero in a romance novel.


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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[Bruce Dayton]

Another nice one, Doug.  There is a lot to look at and it sure evokes
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 12:01:40 PM, you wrote:

DB> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=611

DB> enjoy




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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Bruce Dayton]

Like the second one a bit more.  The crop seems just a tad tight -
almost lets you miss that it is being held up.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:26:09 AM, you wrote:

JD> Took my first turn around the country side since my rotator cup
JD> surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something and settled for a
JD> fence line which has always caught my eye.
JD> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but was
JD> perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.

JD> Jack

JD> Comments encouraged!

JD> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328

JD> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330



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Re: William Stone

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

> Lovely bloke - 108 - can you believe it!
> 
> He kept saying, "Yes I'm not bad for 106 am I !"
> 
> And then off from camera right: "108!!!"


Hey, he was 98% accurate... damn good for anyone *close* to that age ;-)

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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[John Francis]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:43:15PM +0100, Cotty wrote:
> On 23/9/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in
> >those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made
> >another. After that forks started to get out of hand.
> 
> Fork handles? Got any fork handles?

Over there, next to the plugs.


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Re: Sheep

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don't go there Frank for the love of all that is good and wholesome...

I'm already in big trouble.  I realized as soon as I "send" that my
life could end up a living hell.

I kept looking to hit the "unsend" or "retreive" button on my e-mail
browser, but they don't have one in G-mail...

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was PESO - "Some of the Trees up North"

[Roman Melihhov]

Some of the trees is wonderful photo, lil fog, peaceful and quiet if 
only photographs could deliver that sound of silence. I enjoyed browsing 
through your gallery.

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Re: Trading my PKA Dental Macro for a PKA 50/1.2?

[Bob Blakely]

Damn! I hope so! Who wants a devil-may-care, close enough for government 
work dentist!

P.S. It's not respectful to say your dad was full of sh*t. Wash your mouth 
out with soap!

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I grieve over them long winter evenings."
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> [skip]
> And Derby, my dad was a dentist too.  Fine folks but a little too anal
> retentive and precision/perfection oriented.


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Re: Sheep

[P. J. Alling]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:14 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I think so.  It takes the requirement to be strange off the rest of the
>> English speaking world.
>> 
>
> What's the deal with Australia then?
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> ;-)
>   
Don't go there Frank for the love of all that is good and wholesome...

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Re: PESO - Thing from the Seventies We Don't Need to See Again

[P. J. Alling]

That brings back memories, not particularly good ones at that...

frank theriault wrote:
> For the bike retro-grouches among you (hello, Scott?):
>
> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2008/09/things-from-seventies-we-dont-need-to.html
>
> Fortunately, we don't see many of these around anymore...
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[Ken Waller]

Way nice Doug. I'd be tempted to crop a tiny bit off the RH side to 
eliminate the light post and the building & a bit off the bottom, if it were 
mine.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO - Evening in Montana


> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=611
>
> enjoy
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RE: Re-enabled

[John Celio]

If I had the money, I'd get the W60 in a heartbeat.  Ever since the
Optio WR series, Pentax's P&S water resistant/proof cameras have been
utterly fantastic.  The 43WR had one of the sharpest lenses I ever saw
on a P&S camera, no exaggeration, and it appears the W series has kept
that optical quality.

As it is, I still need to send a check to the PDMLer who sent me some
cool older stuff last week.  My new/old ring flash is a lot of fun. :D

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Subject: Re-enabled
From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, September 22, 2008 8:32 pm
To: pdml 

I got my Optio W60 Waterproof point and shoot today.
The price has dropped recently which was a nice
suprise. Unfortunately, B&H doesn't have any Impact
batteries in stock for the camera yet so I'll have to
make do with one battery for now.

This one replaces my venerable Optio W10 which I've
praised and repraised on this list many times. That
camera is going to my wife who's very happy to have
it. It produced something like 30,000+ images for me
and I couldn't be more pleased with it's performance.
I used it last weekend to take underwater video of
myself and the kids in about 5 feet of water. What a
great little camera!

The new model is 10MP and slightly smaller and lighter
than the W10. It has some black plastic on the
exterior (top and a grip on the right front) which is
textured for more solid gripping especially if you
plan on using it underwater or in inclement
weather...and I do! This is a big improvement as the
W10 was not easy to hold when wet or with white gloves
(I wear these when shooting watches to keep skin tones
from reflecting in shiny metals). It also has a larger
display on the back which is supposedly much easier to
view, especially in bright sunlight. The W60 has a
longer OPTICAL zoom range 5-25mm than the W10's
digital zoom (6.3-18.9mm). The lens does not protrude
from the body.

I'm going to shoot some tests with it ASAP and will
post the results here for anyone who's interested. My
hope is that the camera has increased dynamic range
along with it's higher resolution. Highlights could be
a bear to finese with the W10.

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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Cotty]

On 23/9/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in
>those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made
>another. After that forks started to get out of hand.

Fork handles? Got any fork handles?

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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Bruce Dayton]

That is about the same for me.  Low light performance, low light AF
are the big issues - hence my recent question about K20D low light
performance.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:31:46 AM, you wrote:

PS> Nice shot. That's the kind of autofocus performance I need for  
PS> wedding receptions. I'd be happy to move up to a Nikon 700D, but it  
PS> must doesn't make economic sense for me at the moment. It would be  
PS> perfect for everything I do. But I'd need two bodies and half a dozen
PS> lenses. Yikes!
PS> Paul
PS> On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, David Savage wrote:

>> 2008/9/23 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Your last comment
>>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:17 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>>

 It's probably time to let the SAFOX VIII AF retire. It was
 introduced in the
 ist film body, and while it has had some tweaks over the years, it
 needs to
 be improved.

>>>
>>> Improved autofocus is number one on my list for a new Pentax DSLR.
>>> When I was thirty years old, I could manual focus on a 200 mph
>>> dragster. Now, I'm lucky if I can catch Grace at full trot. I've
>>> learned to work with Pentax autofocus when I must, and I have to say
>>> that the continuous mode is quite good -- providing the light is
>>> adequate. But low light autofocus performance is less than acceptable
>>> in both continuous and spot modes. I don't want or need full frame. I
>>> can make great 16 x 20 prints from K20D pics, and all of my clients
>>> are well satisfied with the resolution and detail of my images. But I
>>> would LOVE better autofocus. Write speed and buffer improvements are
>>> always welcome as well.
>>> Paul
>>
>> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the new toy) in
>> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the AF
>> assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd
>> expressions so I turned it off.
>>
>> Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well it focused.
>>
>> Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
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Re: Fence Stuff

[Ken Waller]

Good eye Jack, I like the first. Would be even better with a little detail 
in the sky, but still nice as is.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Fence Stuff


> Took my first turn around the country side since my rotator cup surgery in 
> mid July. Had to shoot something and settled for a fence line which has 
> always caught my eye.
> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but was perhaps shot 
> with a bit too great a DoF.
>
> Jack
>
> Comments encouraged!
>
> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
>
> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330


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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> copy-paste from Wikipedia:
> "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu
> , Byzantine wife of Emperor Otto
> II , the table fork had, by the
> 11th century, made its way to Italy
> . In Italy, it became quite popular
> by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and
> upper classes by 1600."
>
> 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me...
>
> BR, Margus

I don't know that this is definitive, but it seems that forks didn't
make their way into Western Europe until the 16th Century and even
then didn't catch on quickly:

http://www.hospitalityguild.com/History/history_of_the_fork.htm

By my sketchy knowledge of history, that's well after medieval times.

cheers,
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Re: Official, details on Dpreview

[Margus Männik]

Well OK, let's continue with Wikipedia (right after the what I copied 
last time):
"It was proper for a guest to arrive with his own fork and spoon 
enclosed in a box called a /cadena/"
In other words, everyone had their OWN fork, not just one for a whole table.

BR, Margus


Bob W wrote:
> but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in
> those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made
> another. After that forks started to get out of hand. 
>
> Bob
>
>   
>> Hi there,
>>
>> copy-paste from Wikipedia:
>> "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu
>> 
>
>   
>> , Byzantine wife of 
>> Emperor Otto 
>> II , the table fork had, by
>> 
> the 
>   
>> 11th century, made its way to Italy 
>> . In Italy, it became 
>> quite popular 
>> by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and 
>> upper classes by 1600."
>>
>> 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me...
>>
>> BR, Margus
>>
>>
>> frank theriault wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage 
>>>   
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>>   
>>>   
 I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the 
 
>> new toy) in
>> 
 a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the
 
> AF
>   
 assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd
 expressions so I turned it off.

 Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well 
 
>> it focused.
>> 
 Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):

 
 
 
>>> The guy on the left has a fork.  They never had forks in 
>>>   
>> medieval times.
>> 
>>> Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either.  I think
>>> they had like old folding Kodaks or something.
>>>
>>> I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding).
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> frank
>>>   
>
>
>   


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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ME Super, M-28mm, f/2.8 about 1985
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=331

Wow!

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Re: PESO: fortunate misfortune

[Ken Waller]

Still... a neat shot. Great comp. Just wished the eye was a little more 
visible.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO: fortunate misfortune


> Neat!  Even the sprocket holes "work".
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Luka Knezevic-Strika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Luka Knezevic-Strika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: PESO: fortunate misfortune
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 4:39 PM
>> hi, this one is from a film damaged during development (the
>> tank was
>> leaking light); this shot, however, profited.
>>
>> http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z93/posluzno/04Untitled-13.jpg
>>
>> pentax spotmatic sp II
>> 135 2.5 takumar
>> ilford pan 400
>> direct scan without corrections


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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=611
>
> enjoy

Thank you for your compliance, Doug (although from the timing you were
likely posting this right around the time I commented on your blog
posting, so I'm sure I had nothing to do with it).

;-)

As I said there, I can see why they call it Big Sky Country.  This
photo looks like it could be a movie.  Not like it's ~from~ a movie,
but it looks like it could ~be~ a movie.  I don't think I can explain
my feelings any better.

Stunning!

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RE: Product Advice - Tripods

[Bob W]

> I've found that "stiffness" is good and it certainly helps in 
> alleviating 
> the effects of wind

Do I really have to point this out to Mark!? 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Bob Blakely
> Sent: 23 September 2008 20:19
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Product Advice - Tripods
> 
> I've found that "stiffness" is good and it certainly helps in 
> alleviating 
> the effects of wind, mirror slap, shutter slap, touching the 
> camera, etc., 
> but nothing tames these problems like mass. The more lbs or 
> kilos (if you 
> prefer) the better. If you want the very best performance, I 
> can't recommend 
> low weight with extreme lenses. I use the strap and sling 'um over
my 
> shoulder - or I use one of my sons as a bearer.
> 
> I use a Bogen (Manfrotto) 3258 most of the time. I also have 
> a 3246, but 
> it's not really stable enough for the really big lenses. Even 
> at it's lowest 
> position, I've had the the upper part of the legs vibrate 
> making the whole 
> tripod vibrate ever so slightly. This is not noticeable with 
> the shorter 
> lenses, but it's a problem with the big ones like the 1000 mm 
> that are 
> pushing the weight limit. Six little wood blocks one on each 
> side of the 
> upper part of each leg kills the vibration, but it's a pain 
> and still not 
> the best answer.
> 
> I have a 20 lb. barbell weight that I fitted for a 3/8" 
> socket using two 
> steel disks and a cut down one inch bolt and nut drilled and 
> tapped for 
> 3/8". Sometimes I fit this to the 3/8" screw on the bottom of 
> the center 
> post. This takes care of the 67's mirror and curtain slap 
> quite nicely.
> 
> Regards
> Bob...
> ---
> "I don't mind if you don't like my manners.
> I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad.
> I grieve over them long winter evenings."
>   -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart)
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bill Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Hi PDML,
> >
> > I need some input regarding the Induro Alloy Series, 
> specifically the
> > A-414.
> >
> > I've been using an old Bogen 3221W with everything but my 
> A600 and a 3036
> > for the latter.  I do nature photography mostly, and neither is
well
> > suited,
> > weight-wise, to hauling any distance. Hence, I want 
> something that is
> > light
> > and will handle even the A600.
> >
> > Most carbon-fiber offerings are well out of my price range, 
> though I noted
> > both the Feisol and Flashpoint CF items recommended here a couple
of
> > months
> > ago. Those two are still a bit pricey, though not 
> excessively so. There
> > are
> > a couple of other purchases on the near horizon, so I'm 
> watching costs
> > right
> > now.
> >
> > Yesterday, I saw (and lifted) the Induro A-414, which was 
> selling at a
> > local
> > store for $199.00. It claims to handle as much total weight 
> as the 3036
> > hernia-maker, weighs only a couple of pounds more than the 
> CF counterparts
> > mentioned, and seems pretty sturdy and torsion-resistant 
> (the A600 is long
> > and has the mount at the back end). And it will fit in my 
> checked luggage,
> 
> > a
> > requirement. It looks like what I need, but I want to 
> bounce the idea off
> > of
> > everyone here before I pull out my VISA and add to the 
> household debt.
> >
> > I am grateful for any and all input.
> 
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Bob. The first image is my favorite, also.
I do enjoy pulling up the "Hanging Post" full size file and examining its 
various areas. Actually considered just selecting an area for posting.

Jack


--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Stuff
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 12:19 PM
> Jack,
> Glad you're up and around.
> I really like that 1st picture
> Regards, Bob S.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jack Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Took my first turn around the country side since my
> rotator cup surgery in mid July. Had to shoot something and
> settled for a fence line which has always caught my eye.
> > Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but
> was perhaps shot with a bit too great a DoF.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > Comments encouraged!
> >
> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
> >
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
> >
> > K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
> >
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Official, details on Dpreview

[Bob W]

but they're talking about 'the' table fork. There was only one in
those days. It wasn't until the early 20th century that they made
another. After that forks started to get out of hand. 

Bob

> 
> Hi there,
> 
> copy-paste from Wikipedia:
> "First introduced to Western Europe in the 10th century by Theophanu

> , Byzantine wife of 
> Emperor Otto 
> II , the table fork had, by
the 
> 11th century, made its way to Italy 
> . In Italy, it became 
> quite popular 
> by the 14th century, being commonly used for eating by merchant and 
> upper classes by 1600."
> 
> 10th to 11th and even 14th century sounds medieval enough for me...
> 
> BR, Margus
> 
> 
> frank theriault wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, David Savage 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> I was shooting a "medieval" feast on the weekend (with the 
> new toy) in
> >> a room that was lit by nothing but candles. I initially had the
AF
> >> assist lamp on, but I was blinding the guests & causing a few odd
> >> expressions so I turned it off.
> >>
> >> Wasn't expecting much, but was very pleased with how well 
> it focused.
> >>
> >> Rough edit pano from the night here (~620kb):
> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> > The guy on the left has a fork.  They never had forks in 
> medieval times.
> >
> > Wait, they didn't have digital cameras back then, either.  I think
> > they had like old folding Kodaks or something.
> >
> > I've gotta say, that's a cool photo (forks notwithstanding).
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank


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Re: Product Advice - Tripods

[Bob Blakely]

I've found that "stiffness" is good and it certainly helps in alleviating 
the effects of wind, mirror slap, shutter slap, touching the camera, etc., 
but nothing tames these problems like mass. The more lbs or kilos (if you 
prefer) the better. If you want the very best performance, I can't recommend 
low weight with extreme lenses. I use the strap and sling 'um over my 
shoulder - or I use one of my sons as a bearer.

I use a Bogen (Manfrotto) 3258 most of the time. I also have a 3246, but 
it's not really stable enough for the really big lenses. Even at it's lowest 
position, I've had the the upper part of the legs vibrate making the whole 
tripod vibrate ever so slightly. This is not noticeable with the shorter 
lenses, but it's a problem with the big ones like the 1000 mm that are 
pushing the weight limit. Six little wood blocks one on each side of the 
upper part of each leg kills the vibration, but it's a pain and still not 
the best answer.

I have a 20 lb. barbell weight that I fitted for a 3/8" socket using two 
steel disks and a cut down one inch bolt and nut drilled and tapped for 
3/8". Sometimes I fit this to the 3/8" screw on the bottom of the center 
post. This takes care of the 67's mirror and curtain slap quite nicely.

Regards
Bob...
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I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad.
I grieve over them long winter evenings."
  -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart)

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From: "Bill Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi PDML,
>
> I need some input regarding the Induro Alloy Series, specifically the
> A-414.
>
> I've been using an old Bogen 3221W with everything but my A600 and a 3036
> for the latter.  I do nature photography mostly, and neither is well
> suited,
> weight-wise, to hauling any distance. Hence, I want something that is
> light
> and will handle even the A600.
>
> Most carbon-fiber offerings are well out of my price range, though I noted
> both the Feisol and Flashpoint CF items recommended here a couple of
> months
> ago. Those two are still a bit pricey, though not excessively so. There
> are
> a couple of other purchases on the near horizon, so I'm watching costs
> right
> now.
>
> Yesterday, I saw (and lifted) the Induro A-414, which was selling at a
> local
> store for $199.00. It claims to handle as much total weight as the 3036
> hernia-maker, weighs only a couple of pounds more than the CF counterparts
> mentioned, and seems pretty sturdy and torsion-resistant (the A600 is long
> and has the mount at the back end). And it will fit in my checked luggage,

> a
> requirement. It looks like what I need, but I want to bounce the idea off
> of
> everyone here before I pull out my VISA and add to the household debt.
>
> I am grateful for any and all input.


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Re: PESO - Evening in Montana

[Jack Davis]

Is that THE "rush hour" car? ;)
Nice mood, Doug. Like it!

Jack


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> Subject: PESO - Evening in Montana
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Re: PESO: Fence Stuff

[Bob Sullivan]

Jack,
Glad you're up and around.
I really like that 1st picture
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Took my first turn around the country side since my rotator cup surgery in 
> mid July. Had to shoot something and settled for a fence line which has 
> always caught my eye.
> Nearby suspended post has detail of a sort I like, but was perhaps shot with 
> a bit too great a DoF.
>
> Jack
>
> Comments encouraged!
>
> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/1000, 320mm:
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=328
>
> K10D, FA 80~320, ISO 200, f/10, 1/180, 108mm:
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> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=330
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Info on AF 160C Macro Ring Flash

[jtainter]

On Ned Bunnell's web site:

http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2008/09/af160c-macro-flash-kit.html



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RE: PESO - Evening in Montana

[Bob W]

I think that would be especially effective as a panorama, removing
most of the foreground shadow, cut roughly from the bottom part of the
left-hand kerb, to the top of the highlit r-h kerb. The car is in
exactly the right place, and makes the photo.

Bob 

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