Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[AlunFoto]

2010/3/10 Mark Roberts :
> David Savage wrote:
>
>>On 10/03/2010, jtainter  wrote:
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
>>>
>>It'll be to big and heavy for most PDML'ers.
>
> Nonsense!
> It'll be rejected at because it only shoots 1.1 frames per second and
> only goes up to ISO 1600. Everyone knows you can't take photos at
> under 5 fps and ISO 96,000.

And without SR it's downright undoable.

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Re: peso, I stand corrected

[Larry Colen]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Various inaccuracies in a previous photo have been brought to my  
attention.

My apologies.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4418614177/in/set-72157623583965056/


A friend's comment:
"The only way this could possibly be better is if the helmet worked as  
a popup flash."


led me to discover that the stormtrooper helmet makes a passable  
diffuser for the popup flash.




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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Larry Colen]

On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:08 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Only if they tried to compete at the same price.  If the K... lets  
call it eht K2 for laughs, if the K2 FF streets for between $1500  
and $1900 has K7 specifications otherwise with a 12-14mp sensor, it  
still undersells the D5 II by 20-25%.  That's a nice niche to live  
in.  It uses a tone of older lenses but gives you full frame.  It  
would be very attractive.  No one would expect Pentax to bring out a  
Canon D1 or Nikon D3 killer.




I find the 645 a wonderful bit of market aikido.  Rather than  
investing a lot of resources in a very tough market segment Pentax is  
side stepping and will be the first Medium Format digital that is  
affordable to "serious but still nearly sane" amateurs. I'll wager  
that for most of the people who buy one, the sensor, or even the glass  
won't be the limiting factor in image quality.  The 645 may have  
tremendous potential for making great photos, but to be honest the  
thing that it will be the best for is bragging rights.  And bragging  
rights are what will sell a significant portion of the first year or  
two's production of 645s.


On top of that, if you look at the Pentax niche as great performance  
for the money, then the 645 at half the price of the competition,  
falls squarely in that niche.


Of the pictures that I've taken in the past year, very few would have  
been improved by using a 645D rather than the K20, and most of those,  
I'm afraid, would probably have turned out better using a D700.


I do hope, however, that by the time that I can afford a MF camera,  
they will have high ISOs that I want.  What I expect will happen is  
that by then, the 24x36 format, or some variation (36x36?), will have  
D700 levels of performance for under $1500 for the body.


I wonder, however, what it would take for Pentax to make a mirrorless,  
short register, EVIL, version of the the 645D, that could use either K- 
mount or 645 mount lenses.


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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[John Francis]

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 10:19:42PM -0800, Brendan MacRae wrote:
> I'm wondering what the files sizes are that come out of this thing? They must 
> be huge.

Not that huge, relatively speaking.  40MP 14-bit RAW vs 14MP for a K-7 gives a
ballpark figure of maybe 4x the size of a K-7 file.  If you can drop $10K on a
camera you're probably not short of the odd terabyte of disk space or GB of RAM.
And if digital MF shooters are like their film brethren they'll run off less
frames (although they'll think a lot more before pressing the shutter release),
so the total storage space won't be quite as high.


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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[P. J. Alling]

Only if they tried to compete at the same price.  If the K... lets call 
it eht K2 for laughs, if the K2 FF streets for between $1500 and $1900 
has K7 specifications otherwise with a 12-14mp sensor, it still 
undersells the D5 II by 20-25%.  That's a nice niche to live in.  It 
uses a tone of older lenses but gives you full frame.  It would be very 
attractive.  No one would expect Pentax to bring out a Canon D1 or Nikon 
D3 killer.


On 3/10/2010 12:37 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

The other thing that I haven't seen discussed yet is the issue for
Pentax with FF - a K7 type body with a FF sensor would get eaten
alive in the marketplace by Canon and Nikon.  Their high end bodies
are so much more than just a big sensor - Pentax would have to do
some MAJOR upgrading of all other aspects of the body besides the
sensor.  By going to the 645 they don't have to compete with that.
Much as many want the FF body, right now it would not do too well, me
thinks.


   



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Re: peso Endor vacation

[Larry Colen]

On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:30 PM, frank theriault wrote:


On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Subash  wrote:


I've thought about this a lot but still don't catch the pun - can
someone help me, please?


"ender's game' by orson scott card :)


Well, that certainly clears it up then, doesn't it?

I'm with Ecke on this one.  Don't get it.  I guess I could google
"ender's game" by orson scott card, but I'm too lazy.


Ender's game was an excellent book, although some have claimed that  
Card has spent the rest of his career proving that it was a fluke.


It's very well known in Science Fiction circles, I expect pretty much  
unknown outside of them. Even so, I felt confident that at least a few  
people on this list would get the joke, and one or two of them might  
have even thought it amusing.






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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[P. J. Alling]

On 3/10/2010 1:19 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

I'm wondering what the files sizes are that come out of this thing? They must 
be huge. Even if you have some 645 lenses hanging about AND you can afford this 
camera, you'll most likely need to upgrade your storage just to save all of 
your keepers. Not to mention upping the ram to handle rendering and image 
processing. I wonder if the hidden costs of this camera system might be a big 
ouchie.

Eat or buy ink and paper for all of the 30 x 40 posters you'll be making?

We could all stand to lose a few pounds ...right?

-Brendan
   


The leaf 40mp back produces ~240 mb Tiffs.  Feel free to upgrade your 
entire system now


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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Brendan MacRae]

- Original Message 
> From: John Francis 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:39:09 PM
> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
> 
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 10:34:07PM -0500, Tom C wrote:
> I agree with that 
> figure.  Given that it's about 1/2 of the MSRP, how
> much profit is 
> left?
> 
> If Pentax had come out with a 24MP FF 135mm body at $2500 
> USD, with a
> much larger potential market and user base, and a larger 
> future
> upgrade potential, which makes more sense?

The 645D, of 
> course.
Even ignoring the fact that there are big holes in the lens lineup 
> for
a large-sensor K-mount, it's hard to sell a body at close to 3x the 
> price
of the K-7.  For a large part of the potential marketplace there 
> just
isn't enough extra image quality to justify the additional cost.  
> And
for those that would consider it, a significant number of them may 
> well
end up buying a K-7 anyway; FF K-mount sales cannibalize market 
> share
that Pentax already has.

The 645D looks to be a 
> price/performance leader by a large factor, and
sells into a marketplace that 
> Pentax are not currently addressing.  If
Pentax could put a FF body on 
> the market at under $1500 in 2010 (under
$1000 in 2011) it might sell well 
> enough to be worthwhile, but a $2500
body isn't sensible.

I have to agree, John.

The only thing that could change that would be for Pentax to release a FF body 
with 4-5 new lenses (FF SDM, weather sealed) at the same time. It seems that 
this is really the only way to jump into the FF market for them now. Not that I 
wouldn't use my FA 31 Ltd on the new body, but it would be nice to use lenses 
that focus faster and quieter.

-Brendan


  

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Re: Fwd: IRS to Track Online Sellers' Payment Transactions Beginning Next Year

[P. J. Alling]

And so the screws are tightened.

On 3/10/2010 12:56 AM, 27...@comcast.net wrote:

- Forwarded Message -
From: "spiker"
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 12:53:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: IRS to Track Online Sellers' Payment Transactions Beginning Next Year




IRS to Track Online Sellers' Payment Transactions Beginning Next Year
http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y210/m03/abu0258/s03

By Barbara Weltman
www.AuctionBytes.com

March 07, 2010

  Internet sellers who don't report their sales will no longer be under the 
radar. Starting next year, any bank or other payment settlement company that 
processes credit cards, debit cards, and electronic payments such as PayPal 
will have to issue information returns telling the IRS what merchants receive. 
The new returns are Form 1099-K, Merchant Card and Third-Party Payments.



   



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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tim Bray]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Brendan MacRae
 wrote:
> I'm wondering what the files sizes are that come out of this thing? They must 
> be huge. Even if you have some 645 lenses hanging about AND you can afford 
> this camera, you'll most likely need to upgrade your storage just to save all 
> of your keepers. Not to mention upping the ram to handle rendering and image 
> processing. I wonder if the hidden costs of this camera system might be a big 
> ouchie.

The thought of importing a hundred or so of these pix into
Lightroom... well I could take up origami or knitting.  -T

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Brendan MacRae]

I'm wondering what the files sizes are that come out of this thing? They must 
be huge. Even if you have some 645 lenses hanging about AND you can afford this 
camera, you'll most likely need to upgrade your storage just to save all of 
your keepers. Not to mention upping the ram to handle rendering and image 
processing. I wonder if the hidden costs of this camera system might be a big 
ouchie.

Eat or buy ink and paper for all of the 30 x 40 posters you'll be making? 

We could all stand to lose a few pounds ...right?

-Brendan


  

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Re: 655D no kidding

[Tim Bray]

er six FORTY five

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/pentax-gets-official-with-40-megapixel-645d-medium-format-camera/
>
> Some big numbers there. -T
>

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655D no kidding

[Tim Bray]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/pentax-gets-official-with-40-megapixel-645d-medium-format-camera/

Some big numbers there. -T

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Fwd: IRS to Track Online Sellers' Payment Transactions Beginning Next Year

[272yb]

- Forwarded Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 12:53:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: IRS to Track Online Sellers' Payment Transactions Beginning Next Year




IRS to Track Online Sellers' Payment Transactions Beginning Next Year 
http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y210/m03/abu0258/s03 

By Barbara Weltman 
www.AuctionBytes.com 

March 07, 2010 

 Internet sellers who don't report their sales will no longer be under the 
radar. Starting next year, any bank or other payment settlement company that 
processes credit cards, debit cards, and electronic payments such as PayPal 
will have to issue information returns telling the IRS what merchants receive. 
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Bruce Dayton]

The other thing that I haven't seen discussed yet is the issue for
Pentax with FF - a K7 type body with a FF sensor would get eaten
alive in the marketplace by Canon and Nikon.  Their high end bodies
are so much more than just a big sensor - Pentax would have to do
some MAJOR upgrading of all other aspects of the body besides the
sensor.  By going to the 645 they don't have to compete with that.
Much as many want the FF body, right now it would not do too well, me
thinks.


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Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:39:09 PM, you wrote:
>> If Pentax had come out with a 24MP FF 135mm body at $2500 USD, with a
>> much larger potential market and user base, and a larger future
>> upgrade potential, which makes more sense?

JF> The 645D, of course.
JF> Even ignoring the fact that there are big holes in the lens lineup for
JF> a large-sensor K-mount, it's hard to sell a body at close to 3x the price
JF> of the K-7.  For a large part of the potential marketplace there just
JF> isn't enough extra image quality to justify the additional cost.  And
JF> for those that would consider it, a significant number of them may well
JF> end up buying a K-7 anyway; FF K-mount sales cannibalize market share
JF> that Pentax already has.

JF> The 645D looks to be a price/performance leader by a large factor, and
JF> sells into a marketplace that Pentax are not currently addressing.  If
JF> Pentax could put a FF body on the market at under $1500 in 2010 (under
JF> $1000 in 2011) it might sell well enough to be worthwhile, but a $2500
JF> body isn't sensible.




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Re: PESO - Drive By Shooting

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Nice. The turkeys around here are still scratching through snow.

Not after another 3 days of +10C temps they're not!

Nice pic, John!

cheers,
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[David Savage]

More a case of being concerned that the path is coming to an end.

On 10/03/2010, William Robb  wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Savage"
>
> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>
>
>
>> Given the somewhat fragile economic viability of Hoyas camera
>> division, I'd in no way want to drop 10k on their products nowadays.
>
> Afraid there'll be no upgrade path?
>
> William Robb
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage" 


Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)




Given the somewhat fragile economic viability of Hoyas camera
division, I'd in no way want to drop 10k on their products nowadays.


Afraid there'll be no upgrade path?

William Robb

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Christine Aguila]

Oh, it looks beautiful.  Well done, Pentax.  I hope it sells tons.  Cheers, 
Christine



- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:43 PM
Subject: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)



http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp

Joe



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Re: Lightroom red eye

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks for posting, Dave.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 

To: "Pentax Discuss" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:57 PM
Subject: Lightroom red eye



IIRC, some one a while ago asked about LR and red eye reduction, and
was having a problem with it.

Found this

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/lightroom/articles/lir1am_redeye.html#

Now i know why i was having trouble, i was not drawing a box, but a
line over the eye.


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Re: OT - equipment I want

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: OT - equipment I want


Hard drive space is the easiest and cheapest thing to implement of all 
the things you want.



I know, Peter.  I was just sayin  :-).  Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO - Ice Skating

[Christine Aguila]

Sending big congrats to your daughter, Bruce.  She looks lovely--especially 
at ISO 6400 :-).  Gosh, that's impressive.  Have you printed any large sized 
prints at this high ISO?  If so, how do they look?  Cheers, Christine



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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: PESO - Ice Skating



My youngest daughter (the basketball player) had a competition on
Saturday.  She took 1st place in Freestyle 4.  We were very proud of
her.  The K-x came through with high ISO - in the past, I have
struggled to get a high enough shutter speed - the rink is not all
that well lit.


Pentax K-x, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 210mm,
ISO 6400, 1/640 sec @ f/4.5, Handhel
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp2935-1.htm

Pentax K-x, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 190mm
ISO 6400, 1/500 sec @ f/5, Handheld
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3005-1.htm

Pentax K-x Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 180mm
ISO 6400, 1/500 sec @ f/5, Handheld
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3094-1.htm


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Re: PESO - By the Window

[Christine Aguila]

I like it very much too, Frank.  I don't know why, but your picture makes 
feel think it was taken in France years ago--though the woman's hair doesn't 
quite fit that time period--the color streak in her bangs.  But hey, I like 
it.  Good rendering too.  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: PESO - By the Window



Just a couple of people standing next to a window talking, but for
some reason I like this one a lot:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/03/untitled-number-2.html

Hope you do too.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"

Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)



I agree with that figure.  Given that it's about 1/2 of the MSRP, how
much profit is left?

If Pentax had come out with a 24MP FF 135mm body at $2500 USD, with a
much larger potential market and user base, and a larger future
upgrade potential, which makes more sense?


I expect they will sell every one of them that they can make to the Japanese 
market, and that it will make money for them.
A 24 MP 135 format DSLR, as much as I'd like one, would be viewed in the 
marketplace as a wannabe also ran, but this is something that very few other 
companys are making, and no else one is making one available for under 10K.


William Robb


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Re: PESO: The Wheel of Time

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Peter Zalabai  wrote:
> http://15kb.blogspot.com/2010/03/wheel-of-time.html
>
> Including Behind the Scenes :)
>
> Comments and Critiques always welcomed.
>
> Regards,
> .timber

 That's pretty wild.

I like it!

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[David Savage]

On 10 March 2010 11:53, paul stenquist  wrote:
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>> On 3/9/2010 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "David Savage"
>>> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>>>
>>>
 LOL

 Pentax is onto a money maker.

>>>
>>> This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as nice 
>>> a camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy it until 
>>> the price comes down 50%.
>>> It's like we want them to go out of business.
>>>
>>> William Robb
>>>
> Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
> sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
> I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> We don't?
>>
> I don't. But I'm not going to go broke trying to support them. That would be 
> ridiculous.
>
> However, getting on board in the resell market is a plus for a manufacturer, 
> because they sell lenses. Plus, providing a secondary market makes the deal 
> better for the original investors. HIgh resale value is a plus for any 
> marketer.
> Paul

If Hoya follows the Pentax APS-C camera price slashing trend with this
camera I'll be very surprised.

Given the somewhat fragile economic viability of Hoyas camera
division, I'd in no way want to drop 10k on their products nowadays.

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Re: peso Endor vacation

[Subash]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:30:43 -0500
frank theriault  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Subash  wrote:
> 
> >> I've thought about this a lot but still don't catch the pun - can
> >> someone help me, please?
> >
> > "ender's game' by orson scott card :)
> 
> Well, that certainly clears it up then, doesn't it?
> 
> I'm with Ecke on this one.  Don't get it.  I guess I could google
> "ender's game" by orson scott card, but I'm too lazy.

well i didn't quite get the pun either but i guess it has something
to do with that story. sorry couldn't help you out here. :) google may
not be of much when it comes to how PDMLers think...

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Re: PAW9 - Monopoly

[Christine Aguila]

You captured a nice moment, DagT.  good rendering as well.  cheers, 
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Two boys enjoying the game
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 10:34:07PM -0500, Tom C wrote:
> I agree with that figure.  Given that it's about 1/2 of the MSRP, how
> much profit is left?
> 
> If Pentax had come out with a 24MP FF 135mm body at $2500 USD, with a
> much larger potential market and user base, and a larger future
> upgrade potential, which makes more sense?

The 645D, of course.
Even ignoring the fact that there are big holes in the lens lineup for
a large-sensor K-mount, it's hard to sell a body at close to 3x the price
of the K-7.  For a large part of the potential marketplace there just
isn't enough extra image quality to justify the additional cost.  And
for those that would consider it, a significant number of them may well
end up buying a K-7 anyway; FF K-mount sales cannibalize market share
that Pentax already has.

The 645D looks to be a price/performance leader by a large factor, and
sells into a marketplace that Pentax are not currently addressing.  If
Pentax could put a FF body on the market at under $1500 in 2010 (under
$1000 in 2011) it might sell well enough to be worthwhile, but a $2500
body isn't sensible.

> 
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:28 PM, William Robb  wrote:
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Tom C"
> > Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
> >
> >
> >> @ what price?
> >
> > Being as how Pentax is the choice of cheap pricks the world over, probably
> > about 5K.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really
> >>> be
> >>> trying to buy one of these things.
> >
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Tom C wrote:

> Respectful question.  When I buy a used GM, Ford, or Chrysler
> automobile, how much does that help the manufacturer today?
> Aftermarket parts are profitable, I agree.
>  
You help the carmakers considerably when you buy used, because you're 
supporting the residual value, which makes leasing tenable. Unfortunately, that 
doesn't apply to cameras. But used camera buyers purchase lenses, and that's 
where much of the profit lies.
Paul
> But if I can purchase a used camera/car at 1/2 price, will I ever make
> up the difference in parts?
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/9/2010 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message - From: "David Savage"
 Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
 
 
> LOL
> 
> Pentax is onto a money maker.
> 
 
 This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as 
 nice a camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy it 
 until the price comes down 50%.
 It's like we want them to go out of business.
 
 William Robb
 
>> Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
>> sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
>> I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
 
 
 
>>> We don't?
>>> 
>> I don't. But I'm not going to go broke trying to support them. That would be 
>> ridiculous.
>> 
>> However, getting on board in the resell market is a plus for a manufacturer, 
>> because they sell lenses. Plus, providing a secondary market makes the deal 
>> better for the original investors. HIgh resale value is a plus for any 
>> marketer.
>> Paul
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Re: peso Endor vacation

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Subash  wrote:

>> I've thought about this a lot but still don't catch the pun - can
>> someone help me, please?
>
> "ender's game' by orson scott card :)

Well, that certainly clears it up then, doesn't it?

I'm with Ecke on this one.  Don't get it.  I guess I could google
"ender's game" by orson scott card, but I'm too lazy.

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Re: PAW9 - Monopoly

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:15 AM, DagT  wrote:
> Two boys enjoying the game
> http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
>
> Made with my Razzle 4x5" camera, Ilford HP5+, 1/30s, f/4.7, 127mm, hand held.
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> DagT
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Lovely rendering, wonderful image.

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tom C]

Bran wrote:

> but I would buy it, with a lotto win, I do not like these tiny new
> bodies.
>

You may be on to something.  Pentax could likely raffle these off at a
higher profit than they'll make otherwise.

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Bran Everseeking]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:28:56 -0500
Mark Roberts  wrote:

> David Savage wrote:
> 
> >On 10/03/2010, jtainter  wrote:
> >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
> >>
> >It'll be to big and heavy for most PDML'ers.
> 
> Nonsense!
> It'll be rejected at because it only shoots 1.1 frames per second and
> only goes up to ISO 1600. Everyone knows you can't take photos at
> under 5 fps and ISO 96,000.

no video mode?

but I would buy it, with a lotto win, I do not like these tiny new
bodies.

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[P. J. Alling]

Assuming the manufacturer made a good product, you help the seller to 
finance buying an upgraded camera.  Not as nice as selling two new 
camera but better than selling none.


On 3/9/2010 11:02 PM, Tom C wrote:

Respectful question.  When I buy a used GM, Ford, or Chrysler
automobile, how much does that help the manufacturer today?
Aftermarket parts are profitable, I agree.

But if I can purchase a used camera/car at 1/2 price, will I ever make
up the difference in parts?

Tom C.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
   

On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 

On 3/9/2010 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote:
   

- Original Message - From: "David Savage"
Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)


 

LOL

Pentax is onto a money maker.

   

This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as nice a 
camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy it until the 
price comes down 50%.
It's like we want them to go out of business.

William Robb

 

Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
 



 

We don't?

   

I don't. But I'm not going to go broke trying to support them. That would be 
ridiculous.

However, getting on board in the resell market is a plus for a manufacturer, 
because they sell lenses. Plus, providing a secondary market makes the deal 
better for the original investors. HIgh resale value is a plus for any marketer.
Paul

 

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On 3/9/2010 10:53 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

   

On 3/9/2010 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote:
 

- Original Message - From: "David Savage"
Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)


   

LOL

Pentax is onto a money maker.

 

This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as nice a 
camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy it until the 
price comes down 50%.
It's like we want them to go out of business.

William Robb

   

Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
   



   

We don't?

 

I don't. But I'm not going to go broke trying to support them. That would be 
ridiculous.

However, getting on board in the resell market is a plus for a manufacturer, 
because they sell lenses. Plus, providing a secondary market makes the deal 
better for the original investors. HIgh resale value is a plus for any marketer.
Paul
   


Hell, I didn't actually expect anyone to reply to that one.

   

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tom C]

Respectful question.  When I buy a used GM, Ford, or Chrysler
automobile, how much does that help the manufacturer today?
Aftermarket parts are profitable, I agree.

But if I can purchase a used camera/car at 1/2 price, will I ever make
up the difference in parts?

Tom C.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>> On 3/9/2010 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "David Savage"
>>> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>>>
>>>
 LOL

 Pentax is onto a money maker.

>>>
>>> This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as nice 
>>> a camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy it until 
>>> the price comes down 50%.
>>> It's like we want them to go out of business.
>>>
>>> William Robb
>>>
> Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
> sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
> I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> We don't?
>>
> I don't. But I'm not going to go broke trying to support them. That would be 
> ridiculous.
>
> However, getting on board in the resell market is a plus for a manufacturer, 
> because they sell lenses. Plus, providing a secondary market makes the deal 
> better for the original investors. HIgh resale value is a plus for any 
> marketer.
> Paul
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[P. J. Alling]

Assuming that they make 11x as much profit on a 645d they'll come out 
ahead.


On 3/9/2010 10:40 PM, Tom C wrote:

I understand your thought process... but I tend to think Pentax could
sell at least 10 FF bodies for very 645D body they'll sell.

Tom C.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:34 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
   

I think it will attract pros moving up from full frame. It's an opportunity to 
go to the next level without making a huge investment. I suspect it will sell 
well.

Mere mortals will start getting on board when the first used cameras hit the 
market. That won't help Pentax camera sales, but it will expand the market and 
lead to lens sales. It could be a real coup for Pentax. A much smarter 
strategy, IMO, than trying to compete in full frame.

Paul


On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Tom C wrote:

 

@ what price?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:18 PM, William Robb  wrote:
   

- Original Message - From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)



 

The question is, will it sell in the volume it needs to be profitable,
considering many MF photographers have, annecdotally, switched brands?

   

I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really be
trying to buy one of these things.

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> On 3/9/2010 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote:
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "David Savage"
>> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>> 
>> 
>>> LOL
>>> 
>>> Pentax is onto a money maker.
>>> 
>> 
>> This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as nice 
>> a camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy it until 
>> the price comes down 50%.
>> It's like we want them to go out of business.
>> 
>> William Robb
>> 
 Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
 sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
 I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> We don't?
> 
I don't. But I'm not going to go broke trying to support them. That would be 
ridiculous. 

However, getting on board in the resell market is a plus for a manufacturer, 
because they sell lenses. Plus, providing a secondary market makes the deal 
better for the original investors. HIgh resale value is a plus for any marketer.
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:41 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
>> It's like we want them to go out of business.
>>
>> William Robb
>>
> We don't?
>

Of course we don't.. I want them to make me CEO, CIO, CTO and CCSO
(Chief Common Sense Officer) and then you'll see progress. :-)

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tom C]

I understand your thought process... but I tend to think Pentax could
sell at least 10 FF bodies for very 645D body they'll sell.

Tom C.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:34 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> I think it will attract pros moving up from full frame. It's an opportunity 
> to go to the next level without making a huge investment. I suspect it will 
> sell well.
>
> Mere mortals will start getting on board when the first used cameras hit the 
> market. That won't help Pentax camera sales, but it will expand the market 
> and lead to lens sales. It could be a real coup for Pentax. A much smarter 
> strategy, IMO, than trying to compete in full frame.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
>> @ what price?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:18 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tom C"
>>> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>>>
>>>
>>>

 The question is, will it sell in the volume it needs to be profitable,
 considering many MF photographers have, annecdotally, switched brands?

>>>
>>> I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really be
>>> trying to buy one of these things.
>>>
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[P. J. Alling]

On 3/9/2010 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "David Savage"
Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)



LOL

Pentax is onto a money maker.



This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as 
nice a camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy 
it until the price comes down 50%.

It's like we want them to go out of business.

William Robb


Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want 
one, but

I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.





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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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I think it will attract pros moving up from full frame. It's an opportunity to 
go to the next level without making a huge investment. I suspect it will sell 
well.

Mere mortals will start getting on board when the first used cameras hit the 
market. That won't help Pentax camera sales, but it will expand the market and 
lead to lens sales. It could be a real coup for Pentax. A much smarter 
strategy, IMO, than trying to compete in full frame.

Paul


On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Tom C wrote:

> @ what price?
> 
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:18 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Tom C"
>> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The question is, will it sell in the volume it needs to be profitable,
>>> considering many MF photographers have, annecdotally, switched brands?
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really be
>> trying to buy one of these things.
>> 
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tom C]

I agree with that figure.  Given that it's about 1/2 of the MSRP, how
much profit is left?

If Pentax had come out with a 24MP FF 135mm body at $2500 USD, with a
much larger potential market and user base, and a larger future
upgrade potential, which makes more sense?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:28 PM, William Robb  wrote:
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> - Original Message - From: "Tom C"
> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>
>
>> @ what price?
>
> Being as how Pentax is the choice of cheap pricks the world over, probably
> about 5K.
>
> William Robb
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>>>
>>> I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really
>>> be
>>> trying to buy one of these things.
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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From: jtainter

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Joe


Looks good. Only drawback I see is I ain't got the money to buy it.

Maybe someday.

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"

Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)



@ what price?


Being as how Pentax is the choice of cheap pricks the world over, probably 
about 5K.


William Robb



I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really 
be

trying to buy one of these things.




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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tom C]

@ what price?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:18 PM, William Robb  wrote:
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> - Original Message - From: "Tom C"
> Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)
>
>
>
>>
>> The question is, will it sell in the volume it needs to be profitable,
>> considering many MF photographers have, annecdotally, switched brands?
>>
>
> I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really be
> trying to buy one of these things.
>
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"

Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)





The question is, will it sell in the volume it needs to be profitable,
considering many MF photographers have, annecdotally, switched brands?



I'm thinking that anyone with a half dozen or so 645 lenses will really be 
trying to buy one of these things.


William Robb 



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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage"

Subject: Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)



LOL

Pentax is onto a money maker.



This is kinda the conundrum with camera makers these days. They put as nice 
a camera on the market as they can, and people will refuse to buy it until 
the price comes down 50%.

It's like we want them to go out of business.

William Robb


Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.




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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tom C]

I read that it has spray and steam functions on the baseplate, with
emissions coming from the tripod socket.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:47 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:37 PM, jtainter wrote:
>
>> "ISO1600 is quite high for the MF market, 3200 is extremely rare
>> (available only on the PhaseOne P45+ and P65+, and then only at
>> massively reduced resolutions due to the use of pixel binning to reach
>> that high
>>
>> "-Adam)"
>>
>> -
>>
>> Why would this be? Shouldn't the pixels be pretty large compared to the 
>> sensors in top-end APS-C cameras?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
> Does the large sensor generate a lot of heat?
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:37 PM, jtainter wrote:

> "ISO1600 is quite high for the MF market, 3200 is extremely rare
> (available only on the PhaseOne P45+ and P65+, and then only at
> massively reduced resolutions due to the use of pixel binning to reach
> that high
> 
> "-Adam)"
> 
> -
> 
> Why would this be? Shouldn't the pixels be pretty large compared to the 
> sensors in top-end APS-C cameras?
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
Does the large sensor generate a lot of heat?

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Longing for Film

[Tom C]

Over the past several years I've scanned and reviewed earlier scanned
images I've made.  There is something about them that's undefinable
and draws me to them over my digitally captured images.

I can't say what it is. Possibly a sense of being closer to reality,
in the same vein that I recognize an analog record as sounding better
than a CD? Possibly the smoothness of film across the dynamic range?
I don't know.

Unless I were able to take side-by-side film vs. digitally captured
images in the same format, using the same lens, it would be difficult
to make an objective comparison.

So subjectively, as far as image quality is concerned, I'm tending to
lean towards film... though it's obviously a dead end.

I hope to scan quite a number of film images captured from the past
ten years and subjectively, of course, compare them to my overall
sense of digitally captured images.

Partially responsible for making me think along these lines, is a
recent advert from Alien Skin Exposure 2, a film simulator plug-in.

http://tinyurl.com/yz2zybg

Does anyone have any experience with it?

Tom C.

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 09:37:39PM -0500, jtainter wrote:
> "ISO1600 is quite high for the MF market, 3200 is extremely rare
> (available only on the PhaseOne P45+ and P65+, and then only at
> massively reduced resolutions due to the use of pixel binning to reach
> that high
> 
> "-Adam)"
> 
> -
> 
> Why would this be? Shouldn't the pixels be pretty large compared to the 
> sensors in top-end APS-C cameras?
> 
> Joe

That's 40MP on a 33x44 sensor.  On a 16x24 sensor that would be around 10MP.
So the pixels are the same size as those in a K10D, and not much larger than
those in a (12MP) K-x or a (14MP) K-7.


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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Tom C]

The major thing it has going for it is 40MP... as always size trumps all.

It's a borderline fringe product.  Price is almost right. Sensor size
and resolution are right.  AF performance, can't say. Lens
compatibility is good.

The question is, will it sell in the volume it needs to be profitable,
considering many MF photographers have, annecdotally, switched brands?

Anyone who wants it for $4K (Paul), while being a bargain-hunter is
smart, certainly isn't doing Pentax any favors by denying them a
profit.

Tom C.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> David Savage wrote:
>
>>On 10/03/2010, jtainter  wrote:
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
>>>
>>It'll be to big and heavy for most PDML'ers.
>
> Nonsense!
> It'll be rejected at because it only shoots 1.1 frames per second and
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> under 5 fps and ISO 96,000.
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On 9 March 2010 20:43, jtainter  wrote:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
>
> Joe

Note that max ISO isn't 1600, but 1000. The camera can push 2/3 stop
to ISO 1600, but it's not native.

Nobody buys a MF digital for speed, so 1.1 fps is neither here nor
there. The price is around the $10,000 that's been floating around for
the last year, although many (including me) were skeptical it would be
that low. I think it's nice it's been announced a few days after
Mamiya's $22,000 MF camera, that likely uses the very same chip  :-D

OK, so how many people are going to order one (apart from Jostein)?


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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[P. J. Alling]

From the press release. "6.0 μm x 6.0 μm pixel size".

On 3/9/2010 9:37 PM, jtainter wrote:

"ISO1600 is quite high for the MF market, 3200 is extremely rare
(available only on the PhaseOne P45+ and P65+, and then only at
massively reduced resolutions due to the use of pixel binning to reach
that high

"-Adam)"

-

Why would this be? Shouldn't the pixels be pretty large compared to the sensors 
in top-end APS-C cameras?

Joe



   



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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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"ISO1600 is quite high for the MF market, 3200 is extremely rare
(available only on the PhaseOne P45+ and P65+, and then only at
massively reduced resolutions due to the use of pixel binning to reach
that high

"-Adam)"

-

Why would this be? Shouldn't the pixels be pretty large compared to the sensors 
in top-end APS-C cameras?

Joe



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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[Mark Roberts]

David Savage wrote:

>On 10/03/2010, jtainter  wrote:
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
>>
>It'll be to big and heavy for most PDML'ers.

Nonsense!
It'll be rejected at because it only shoots 1.1 frames per second and
only goes up to ISO 1600. Everyone knows you can't take photos at
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> Note that the Mamiya DM40, with what is most likely the same sensor
> and a cost over twice as high maxes out at ISO 800.
> 
> ISO1600 is quite high for the MF market, 3200 is extremely rare
> (available only on the PhaseOne P45+ and P65+, and then only at
> massively reduced resolutions due to the use of pixel binning to reach
> that high
> 
Ah thanks. Didn't know that. Then it looks like a total win. 
Paul

> -Adam).
> 
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:13 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max 
>> sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but 
>> I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:43 PM, jtainter wrote:
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>>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
>>> 
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 03:09:27AM +0100, AlunFoto wrote:
> Nice.
> 
> Metering system from K-7 and redesigned autofocus on the plus side.
> Otherwise pretty much as expected, except the 14 bit A/D. I had kinda
> hoped they'd use the 22 bit thingy from K10D.

The K10D doesn't have 22-bit data paths, so a chip that can do (some)
22-bit arithmetic isn't particularly useful.  And, in any case, that
was mostly marketing speak from the chip supplier; I'm sure the processor
in the 645D is every bit as good as that in any of the K-mount bodies.

There looks to be quite a bit of commonality with the K-7; metering,
rear LCD.  The AF looks to have been tweaked, but I doubt if it's a
major advance (although one can still hope ...).  I'm sure that the
same system will be the basis for any K-7 successor.

I also note the dual memory card slots, so maybe there's a chance
that feature could show up on a K-mount body.

Not that I'll be buying one, mind you. But a future K-mount?  Maybe.


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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

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Note that the Mamiya DM40, with what is most likely the same sensor
and a cost over twice as high maxes out at ISO 800.

ISO1600 is quite high for the MF market, 3200 is extremely rare
(available only on the PhaseOne P45+ and P65+, and then only at
massively reduced resolutions due to the use of pixel binning to reach
that high

-Adam).

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> Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max 
> sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but I'm 
> going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
> Paul
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:43 PM, jtainter wrote:
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>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
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>> Joe
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[David Savage]

LOL

Pentax is onto a money maker.

On 10/03/2010, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max
> sensitivity. Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but
> I'm going to wait until it's available used for 4K.
> Paul
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:43 PM, jtainter wrote:
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>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp
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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[paul stenquist]

Sounds like a lot of camera for 9400 retail. But only ISO 1600 max sensitivity. 
Same metering system as K7, which is a plus. I want one, but I'm going to wait 
until it's available used for 4K.
Paul


On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:43 PM, jtainter wrote:

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[AlunFoto]

Nice.

Metering system from K-7 and redesigned autofocus on the plus side.
Otherwise pretty much as expected, except the 14 bit A/D. I had kinda
hoped they'd use the 22 bit thingy from K10D.
Didn't expect SR, which I guess is too much to ask with this sensor size.
Also a bit puzzled by the lack of lowpass filters. Wonder how much
moiré it's going to exhibit...

sigh. Time for beancounting.

Jostein


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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[P. J. Alling]

On 3/9/2010 8:43 PM, jtainter wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp

Joe
   




Autofocus SAFOX IX+ same sensor pattern as K-7.

~1.3x crop

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Re: 645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[David Savage]

It'll be to big and heavy for most PDML'ers.

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645D Exists (Or Will Soon)

[jtainter]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp

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Re: PESO - By the Window

[paul stenquist]

A great character study. Intriguing. The guy is amused, and the woman is 
embarrassed. 
I think. 
In any case, well done. 
Paul
On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:11 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> Just a couple of people standing next to a window talking, but for
> some reason I like this one a lot:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/03/untitled-number-2.html
> 
> Hope you do too.  Comments welcome.
> 
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Re: peso Endor vacation

[Subash]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:58:11 +0100
eckinator  wrote:

> 2010/3/8 P. J. Alling :
> > On 3/5/2010 7:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:00 PM, eckinator wrote:
> >>
> >>> well that stormtrooper sure looks like their uniform allowance is
> >>> only good for cheap plastiv compared to the K-x :]
> >>
> >> There wasn't much of an allowance. He was only on planet for
> >> Endor's games.
> >>
> >> Yes, when it comes to puns, I'm a real card.
> 
> I've thought about this a lot but still don't catch the pun - can
> someone help me, please?

"ender's game' by orson scott card :)

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Re: WPP image disqualified

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>
> He could probably have burnt it in to the point where it no longer
> interfered with the composition, but remained within acceptable limits - ie,
> was definitely there and not removed, but relatively unobtrusive.

Agreed.

Ashamed, really, because it's a wonderful image...

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Re: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Bill Sawyer  wrote:
> Exactly.  Frank, we're hoping to see you.
>

I wish!

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PESO - By the Window

[frank theriault]

Just a couple of people standing next to a window talking, but for
some reason I like this one a lot:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/03/untitled-number-2.html

Hope you do too.  Comments welcome.

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More Photos using the A400/5.6 - Overcast Lighting examples

[J.C. O'Connell]

http://img718.imageshack.us/g/imgp4950pcs.jpg/

These are now posted over at imageshack, not on my own server
so don't worry about security of the host.

I am not finding CA nor purple fringing problems 
(at least not yet so far ) which is a good thing.

The lens has great contrast and resolution but
the DOF is virtually zero so focus is tough
unless in full bright sunny condtions.

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Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash

[Peter Loveday]

I have both of these also; I'd find it hard to split them, they both perform 
well.


The secondary reflector is handy for catchlights, esp. when you can't use 
the bounce card thing because you're bouncing off a wall at an odd angle.


I don't really find either menu system particularly more difficult to use.

The Metz will go down to 1/256 power, in 1/3rd steps - the Pentax only 1/64. 
Not relevant for 'normal' use, but can be handy for in-close off camera 
flash.


Both work fine in Pentax wireless mode.

The Metz full-power flash duration is 1/125 - so if you're shooting at 1/180 
full sync, you can't get quite the quoted power out of it - not by a lot, 
but you can see a difference in tests.  I don't think this is the case with 
the Pentax.


Both work in HSS, not sure on power levels here.

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RE: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA

[Bill Sawyer]

Exactly.  Frank, we're hoping to see you.

Bill Sawyer


-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.
J. Alling
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Subject: Re: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA

Whoa, there I thought you were reviewing Theriault for a moment.

On 3/8/2010 6:50 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:
> I did visit Sunday, and it is well worth the effort. It's a larger show
than
> I expected, covering four rooms in a special exhibit area. It opens off of
> the Diego Rivera Court, which is fitting as about 1/2 of the images were
> taken inside Ford's Rouge plant. This is also a perfect bookend to the
> recently departed Avedon Exhibit, in visual style. Given that Frank
started
> his American career as a fashion photographer, it is hard to imagine a
more
> dramatic difference. Lots of grain, missed focus, wayward exposures and
> subjects about to fall off of one side of the frame or the other. Very
> effective in expressing himself, though.
>
> It's stays up to July 3, so there is lot's of time.
>
> Bill Sawyer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
paul
> stenquist
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA
>
> Well, we can wait until then. Although I'm sure Bill Sawyer will preview
it
> for us. I'm busy now as well, and the show runs until May.
> Paul
>
> On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:02 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
>
>
>> I'd like to attend but will be out of the area until the 15th.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Sawyer"
>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'"
>> Cc: "'Mark Cassino'"
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA
>>
>>
>>  
>>> Count me in, Paul.
>>>
>>> I was planning on going down there tonight, but a rough day in the
>>>
> cubicle
>
>>> put a halt to that idea. I am planning on going down Sunday, but would
>>>
> still
>
>>> love to view it on another day with the input of some PDML eyes. I think
>>> Frank T. would add something special to this one.
>>>
>>> Bill Sawyer
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
P
>>>
> N
>
>>> Stenquist
>>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:48 AM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA
>>>
>>> The Detroit Institute of the arts is hosting a show of the work Frank
>>> did in Detroit as part of his 1955 national photo tour. Sounds like a
>>> Detroit PDML field trip.
>>>
>>> http://www.dia.org/exhibitions/item.asp?webitemid=2161
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
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RE: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA

[Bill Sawyer]

I look forward to it

Bill Sawyer

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Sounds interesting. Let's set a date when Ken gets back on the 15th.
Paul
On Mar 8, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

> I did visit Sunday, and it is well worth the effort. It's a larger show
than
> I expected, covering four rooms in a special exhibit area. It opens off of
> the Diego Rivera Court, which is fitting as about 1/2 of the images were
> taken inside Ford's Rouge plant. This is also a perfect bookend to the
> recently departed Avedon Exhibit, in visual style. Given that Frank
started
> his American career as a fashion photographer, it is hard to imagine a
more
> dramatic difference. Lots of grain, missed focus, wayward exposures and
> subjects about to fall off of one side of the frame or the other. Very
> effective in expressing himself, though.
> 
> It's stays up to July 3, so there is lot's of time. 
> 
> Bill Sawyer
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
paul
> stenquist
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA
> 
> Well, we can wait until then. Although I'm sure Bill Sawyer will preview
it
> for us. I'm busy now as well, and the show runs until May.
> Paul
> 
> On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:02 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to attend but will be out of the area until the 15th.
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Sawyer" 
>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
>> Cc: "'Mark Cassino'" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA
>> 
>> 
>>> Count me in, Paul.
>>> 
>>> I was planning on going down there tonight, but a rough day in the
> cubicle
>>> put a halt to that idea. I am planning on going down Sunday, but would
> still
>>> love to view it on another day with the input of some PDML eyes. I think
>>> Frank T. would add something special to this one.
>>> 
>>> Bill Sawyer
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
P
> N
>>> Stenquist
>>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:48 AM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Robert Frank Detroit Pics at DIA
>>> 
>>> The Detroit Institute of the arts is hosting a show of the work Frank
>>> did in Detroit as part of his 1955 national photo tour. Sounds like a
>>> Detroit PDML field trip.
>>> 
>>> http://www.dia.org/exhibitions/item.asp?webitemid=2161
>>> 
>>> Paul
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Re: K-x at a concert

[Adam Maas]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> And the legend grows.  K-x sensor and K-7 metering, anyone?
>
> I'd buy that
>
> Dave

So would I, the metering's pretty much the K-x's biggest weak spot.

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Re: Kx buffer size

[Adam Maas]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> It seems to happen when the camera is in bracket mode and I hold the shutter
> down.
> It happened again tonight.  Presssing the shutter three times doesn't seem
> to do that.
>
> Is there some obscure menu option for the number of shots that it'll shoot
> in a burst?
>
>>
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Are you using any additional features (like Dynamic Range Expansion?)

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Re: WPP image disqualified

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DagT  wrote:
> I agree with you regarding the changes. To me this shows that the jury is 
> more interested in the rules than the reason for the rules.

It's a photojournalism contest.  I think it's clear that his
alteration (small as it might have been) is beyond what would be
considered acceptable for a press photograph.

As submitted to the contest, it's a wonderful photo.  I have no doubt
that the photographer wasn't trying to be evasive or deceitful.

It could win many art photo contests if entered, but for
photojournalism cropping and the digital equivalent of dodging and
burning are (AFAIK) the only alterations allowed.  Even straightening
and tilting are contrary to the genre!

I think the right decision was made.

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Re: PAW9 - Monopoly

[P N Stenquist]

What Dave said. The richness and smooth look of 4x5 come through even  
on this web image. Gotta get out the Speed Graphic again one of these  
days:-).

Paul
On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:49 PM, David J Brooks wrote:


Lovely shot. Well lit

Dave

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:15 AM, DagT  wrote:

Two boys enjoying the game
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html

Made with my Razzle 4x5" camera, Ilford HP5+, 1/30s, f/4.7, 127mm,  
hand held.


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Kertesz in New York

[Bob W]

A lovely short film here of Kertesz photographing from his balcony
overlooking Washington Square. Commentary in French, but I think the visuals
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Re: Lightroom red eye

[Charles Robinson]

On Mar 9, 2010, at 16:57, David J Brooks wrote:

> IIRC, some one a while ago asked about LR and red eye reduction, and
> was having a problem with it.
> 
> Found this
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/lightroom/articles/lir1am_redeye.html#
> 
> Now i know why i was having trouble, i was not drawing a box, but a
> line over the eye.
> 

It's kind of a strange tool at first, but is easy enough to use once you 
realize what they're doing.  

I thought it drew ovals/circles over the eyes though, not boxes.  Yeah - 
dragging from the center of the eye expands an ellipse.  

I'll confess I didn't watch the tutorial, though - just read your email saying 
"boxes" and I saw the still frame from the tutorial which also shows a box.  
Hmm.

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Lightroom red eye

[David J Brooks]

IIRC, some one a while ago asked about LR and red eye reduction, and
was having a problem with it.

Found this

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/lightroom/articles/lir1am_redeye.html#

Now i know why i was having trouble, i was not drawing a box, but a
line over the eye.


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Re: PAW9 - Monopoly

[DagT]

Den 9. mars 2010 kl. 22.32 skrev Bruce Walker:

> DagT wrote:
>> Two boys enjoying the game
>> http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
>> Made with my Razzle 4x5" camera, Ilford HP5+, 1/30s, f/4.7, 127mm, hand held.
>> DagT
>> http://www.thrane.name
> 
> Really nice image! Great light and I like the way you caught the boys with 
> their entire attention on the joy of playing the game.

Thanks !

> That medium format film stuff gets excellent results. I wonder if it will 
> catch on?

Medium format? Those small film rolls? No way! :-)

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Re: PAW9 - Monopoly

[David J Brooks]

Lovely shot. Well lit

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Leaning Toward Bird Photography

[John Sessoms]

From: eckinator

2010/3/9 John Coyle :

> the shot breaks all the rules I was taught in people photography -
> getting close in with a wide angle lens, distorting a very attractive girl,
> who's figure is good but not that much out of proportion!
> Sorry, mate, this type of shot just does not work for me.


does for me - rules or not... maybe it is her 'yeah now what' expression
but I keep wondering, face seems familiar - she either looks like
someone or shows her face elsewhere - would you know?
cheers
ecke


She's appeared in several of David's PESOs. I think they all from the 
one photo shoot some time last year.


IIRC, she previously had a starring role in a controversy over blown 
high-lights.


In this shot, just say the wide angle lens tends to over-emphasize 
whatever body parts are closest to the lens. Makes her kind of look like 
a Barbie Doll.


She's cute, but way too skinny.

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Re: OT PESO - No Wensleydale

[eckinator]

Loved it! Thanks for sharing the smile, Dave
Ecke

2010/3/3 frank theriault :
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:47 AM, David Savage  wrote:
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Say this at the Freo Markets and I broke down in a fit of laughter:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link (~150kb)
>>
>> 
>>
>> :-D
>>
>
> I hear they have some Camembert, but it's a bit runny...
>
> ;-)
>
> Nice shot, very funny!
>
> cheers,
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Re: WPP image disqualified

[AlunFoto]

2010/3/8 David J Brooks :
>
> Those of us in the flat earth society, do not have that problem.:-)

When you tilt a plane, all the water's going to run off on one side.


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Re: OT Viewer discretion advised

[Tomek Machnik]

On 9 March 2010 22:23, Doug Franklin  wrote:

 I really _must_ particpate in one of your escapades, one day.

>> I volunteer to join in - Germany isn't that far, so when you go, let
>> me know - we could have a PDML mud meet!

> Keep me in mind, too.  I've been trying to figure out where I want to go
> next, and I've never been to that region before.

Welcome to .pl, home of PDML lurking darksiders, bubble wrap, old
jeeps and  side effects of photosynthesis :)

I will gladly take a few days off to help arrange a meeting here. I'm
in Krakow, some say it's THE destination in .pl

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Re: OT PESO - Leaning Toward Bird Photography

[Bruce Walker]

David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

Yet another shot of Casey, this one posted full size (compression set
to 65, ~1MB):



D700, AF-S 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 1/1000 @ f4 , ISO 100

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave


I like that shot, Dave.  It's great to try the "go wide and push in 
close" angle like Joe McNally espouses. Though it tends to widen faces 
and bodies, it's fine with a model like this one who's already slim.


My preference would be to soften her facial skin some to avoid the 
exaggeration of pores and lines from the closeness and bright lighting. 
Eg: a pass of the Portraiture plugin over this one would be great.


Cheers!

-bmw

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Re: K7 movies

[Thibouille]

Ouch I'm bit late responding ...

Yep 35Mbit/s isn't surprising with Mpeg2. I thought it was quite much
if any Mpeg4-something.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 3/3/10, Thibouille, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>What Codec? It doesn't mean much without specifying a codec.
>
> Good point!
>
> Ahem, Mpeg-2, full 4.2.2 color space.
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Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron

[Bruce Walker]

m...@robertstech.com wrote:

mike wilson  wrote:

 Cotty  wrote: 

I think you want a bamboo bike:

http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm

I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more
appropriate.

You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled...

Wok he said.

Puns are soy last year.


I knew someone else would rice to the occasion.


Sure, but going against the grain.

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Re: PAW9 - Monopoly

[Bruce Walker]

DagT wrote:

Two boys enjoying the game
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html

Made with my Razzle 4x5" camera, Ilford HP5+, 1/30s, f/4.7, 127mm, hand held.

DagT
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Really nice image! Great light and I like the way you caught the boys 
with their entire attention on the joy of playing the game.


That medium format film stuff gets excellent results. I wonder if it 
will catch on?


-bmw

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Re: OT Viewer discretion advised

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-03-09 14:13, eckinator wrote:

2010/3/8 Tomek Machnik:

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:25:21 +
mike wilson  wrote:


Possibly even Weird Al Y. would reject it.


I really _must_ particpate in one of your escapades, one day.



I volunteer to join in - Germany isn't that far, so when you go, let
me know - we could have a PDML mud meet!


Keep me in mind, too.  I've been trying to figure out where I want to go 
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Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison

[P. J. Alling]

On 3/9/2010 3:55 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:01 -0500, "John Sessoms"
wrote:
   

From: "P. J. Alling"
 

On 3/8/2010 10:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
   

From: Larry Colen
   

On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote:

   

On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
   

It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource
(or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't care
about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather useful
   

to>>  me:
   

http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview

Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across
   

models
   

for each feature.

Igor
   

I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page bookmarked
for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston
   

guy, so
   

he probably says "flah-shes".

As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of
photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate
strobes.

I'm somewhere in between:-)
   


I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them.

I do not, however, like my AF540.  It will NOT stay in manual mode.
   

Mine does the same thing.  It's like if I'm not shooting for a minute
or two it goes to sleep&  when I wake it up again it has reverted to
PTTL.

  Is it supposed to do that?

   

Well obviously you wouldn't want to make a mistake and think for yourself.
   

PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE!

 


In fairness, I think Peter was expressing a sarcastic comment directed
at the designers of the flash, not at you.

I haven't checked whether my AF360FGZ behaves in the same way but I'm in
the "I hate strobes" category and try to avoid using the damn thing.


Cheers

Brian
   
Thank you Brian, that is precisely what I was doing.  I had no doubt 
that John could think for himself.  I may not agree with him, but what 
the hell, I respect him, but yes I do think he's an asshole too.


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Re: PESO - Underwhelming

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-03-09 13:28, John Sessoms wrote:


I have a very limited sample size on which to base a judgment, but after
one year's experience with nitro-fill in the tires, it appears to work
at least as far as the tires not bleeding down.


I've never had a problem with my air-filled tires bleeding down on the 
street cars.  I adjust the pressure four times a year for the seasons 
and that's all they need.  Three months later, the pressure is the same 
as I adjusted it to, within a pound or two out of 30.  Even the 
55psi/85psi tires on the pickup truck don't need much more than that.


On the race cars is a different matter, in part because those tires 
generally have /much/ thinner sidewalls than street tires.  On the 
racecars, most people use nitrogen more for volumetric consistency 
across temperature (it's a lot drier than ambient air) as due to any 
leakdown issues ... you don't generally leave race tires alone long 
enough for leakdown to be a problem.


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Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

>> > My next bike will be wood composite:
>> >
>> > http://www.renovobikes.com/r4-pursuit/
>> 
>> I think you want a bamboo bike:
>> 
>> http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm
>
>I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more
>appropriate.

You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled...


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Re: UK: Photographer films his own 'anti-terror' arrest,

[Tomek Machnik]

On 9 March 2010 02:41, William Robb  wrote:

>> If you have any doubt that our cold war foes were interested in running an
>> empire or not, ask the Poles.
>>
> The satellite countries hardly constituted a global empire, though this fact
> seems lost on you.

We were occupied. It was of little importance to us if the occupation
seemed not global enough from outside.

Since 1700's the rulers of  'your cold war foe', whether tsars or
soviets, would rather share their western border with Germany (any
form of it).
That puts us here in quite an uncomfortable situation.
In 1980's there was at least 60.000 soviet soldiers (and 250 of their
nuke enablements) permanently stationed in Poland.
None of them was invited, yet we were made keep funding this honour
for nearly 50 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Group_of_Forces#Aftermath

>From here it looked like they were indeed running an empire.
The fact that they did the same (mostly much worse) to many other
nations makes it somewhat global.

tm, 22 (and glad) when they left.

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Re: PAW9 - Monopoly

[DagT]

Den 7. mars 2010 kl. 16.40 skrev ann sanfedele:

> 
> 
> DagT wrote:
> 
>> Two boys enjoying the game
>> http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
>> 
>> Made with my Razzle 4x5" camera, Ilford HP5+, 1/30s, f/4.7, 127mm, hand held.
>> 
>> DagT
>> http://www.thrane.name
>> 
> lovely shot - horrible game.  whats wrong with the world in microcosim.
> (i'm crabby this morning )
> ann
> 


Thanks Daniel, Bruce and Ann!

My kids love the game, especially the third, being 7 and learning both reading 
and math from it .-)

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Re: Useful resource: Pentax P-TTL flash comparison

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:01 -0500, "John Sessoms" 
wrote:
> From: "P. J. Alling"
> > On 3/8/2010 10:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> >> > From: Larry Colen
> >>> >> On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Miserere wrote:
> >>> >>
> > >>> > On 7 March 2010 14:35, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >> It is possible that all other PDMLers know this resource
> >>>  >> (or some don't care for it - as I know some people here don't 
> >>>  >> care
> >>>  >> about [if not simply detest] flashes), but it was rather 
> >>>  >> useful 
> >  to >> me:
> >>>  >> http://pttl.mattdm.org/overview
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >> Very nice summary for each P-TTL flash plus comparison across 
> >  models
> >>>  >> for each feature.
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >> Igor
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I don't know about other PDMLers, but I've had that page 
> > >>> > bookmarked
> > >>> > for a long time; useful stuff. And Matt happens to be a Boston 
>  >>> guy, so
> > >>> > he probably says "flah-shes".
> > >>> >
> > >>> > As for people detesting flashes, I think there are two types of
> > >>> > photographers: Those who know how to strobe, and those that hate
> > >>> > strobes.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I'm somewhere in between:-)  
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I neither consider myself good with strobes, nor do I hate them.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I do not, however, like my AF540.  It will NOT stay in manual mode.
> >> >
> >> > Mine does the same thing.  It's like if I'm not shooting for a minute 
> >> > or two it goes to sleep & when I wake it up again it has reverted to 
> >> > PTTL.
> >> >
> >> >  Is it supposed to do that?
> >> >
> > Well obviously you wouldn't want to make a mistake and think for yourself.
> 
> PJ, YOU are an ASSHOLE!
> 


In fairness, I think Peter was expressing a sarcastic comment directed
at the designers of the flash, not at you.

I haven't checked whether my AF360FGZ behaves in the same way but I'm in
the "I hate strobes" category and try to avoid using the damn thing.


Cheers

Brian

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