Re: Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Selling postcards sounds like a good idea, but what the hell do I know?

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On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 3:23 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

>
>
> > On May 8, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Stanley Halpin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The point of the story: those prints have not changed since the place
> opened. They are nice enough, I can see that people on their first visit
> might want to look closely. But a) the metallic surface makes it hard to
> see them unless you catch the light just right, and b) it is boring to have
> the same prints in the same space month after month after year after year.
> My takeaway is that, if you can work it out with your friend, see if you
> can rotate the prints every month or two. Same images in different
> locations and/or occasionally add/substitute new images.
>
> I forgot to mention that the restaurant is in a very touristy area, so I
> expect that there is a lot of one-off traffic through it.
>
> My next “investment” in stock is going to be printing some postcards, and
> I hope that those might actually sell in a touristy location.
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Re: Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[Larry Colen]

> On May 8, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The point of the story: those prints have not changed since the place opened. 
> They are nice enough, I can see that people on their first visit might want 
> to look closely. But a) the metallic surface makes it hard to see them unless 
> you catch the light just right, and b) it is boring to have the same prints 
> in the same space month after month after year after year. My takeaway is 
> that, if you can work it out with your friend, see if you can rotate the 
> prints every month or two. Same images in different locations and/or 
> occasionally add/substitute new images.

I forgot to mention that the restaurant is in a very touristy area, so I expect 
that there is a lot of one-off traffic through it.

My next “investment” in stock is going to be printing some postcards, and I 
hope that those might actually sell in a touristy location.

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Re: Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[Larry Colen]

Hey folks, thanks for the comments.  I’ll try to address them all here.

Dan,
> On May 8, 2021, at 4:19 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I enjoyed the images of the restaurant, but I would really rather see a
> gallery of the prints that you have installed there!

I’ll try to put something together, but since I just grabbed the photos on my 
walls, there’s a big overlap from my show 2 years ago:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157708728030654

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157709096789553


> 
> It seems that the number and height of the windows were designed to give
> the patrons great views of the harbor, but that seems to place most of the
> prints well above eye level, which is less than ideal.

This is true, but I’m not going to let perfection get in the way of better than 
nothing.

I need to at least put up some labels with titles and prices.  A few weeks ago, 
before this opportunity came up, I ran across all of the things I had printed 
up for the last show, and put them someplace safe, which seems to be in the 
same interdimensional wormhole as various other things like my 2TB OWC SSD, my 
dance shoes and various other things that I remember putting someplace safe 
over the past year.

I also expect that as time goes by, I’ll be able to make some adjustments.  I 
have a couple of photos that are hanging off some onebys attached to the wood 
above the corrugated steel, so I may lower a few of the photos later on.  I’m 
in the middle of some home repairs that are a bit more critical.

> 
> This is really a marvelous opportunity to show off some of your better
> images.  Congratulations!

Thank you.

Stan, 

I like the idea of changing things up.  There are a few other photos that I’d 
love to show, but these are all of the prints I have at the moment, and I don’t 
really have the budget for printing more.  Considering pretty much every print 
I’ve sold at a show, has been sold as I was taking a show down, it’s not really 
economically feasible to print photos to sell, until I have reliable income.

Paul,
Yes, they are printed on metal.  I quite like the look of metal, it’s a lot 
less expensive than even a frame, and it seems that frames never sell a print, 
they just give people another reason to not buy a photo.  They might like the 
photo, but the frame wouldn’t go well with where they would want to hang it.  



> 
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 1:00 AM Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157719125692406
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Re: Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[Paul Sorenson]

Always good to have an exhibit out there - lots of good image choices.  
As others have said, an online gallery would be nice to get a better 
view of each image.  Noticed no frames.  Are they all printed on metal 
or are some paper prints mounted on a substrate?


-p

On 5/8/2021 12:00 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

A friend offered to let me show my photos at his restaurant at the Santa Cruz 
yacht harbor.  With everything going on right now, I didn’t have time, money or 
“spoons” to do anything fancy. I did make a one print, a metal print of sunset 
at the yacht harbor it overlooks.

I wasn’t able to quite finish everything before folks started coming in for 
dinner, but here are some quick and dirty pictures of some of them:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157719125692406

I’ll try to do more later.  I don’t think that I can safely arrange a real 
reception, but maybe I’ll pick a day to suggest that all of my friends who feel 
comfortable being out come down for dinner or a drink there.

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Re: Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[Stanley Halpin]

Looks like a nice place and a good start on your display,

Just a thought… We have a local place, opened 6-7 years ago, which is a 
beer/wine/sandwich sort of establishment. The couple who own the place 
(children of two of Meg’s HS classmates) are lawyers working for The local 
international company headquartered here in town. The story is that their 
lawyering did not engage their creative side, so they opened this restaurant. 
All of the furnishings are hand built (rough “primitive” log tables, etc.) The 
decorations on the walls are large metallic prints of photos taken by the 
owners, Michigan landscapes. 

The point of the story: those prints have not changed since the place opened. 
They are nice enough, I can see that people on their first visit might want to 
look closely. But a) the metallic surface makes it hard to see them unless you 
catch the light just right, and b) it is boring to have the same prints in the 
same space month after month after year after year. My takeaway is that, if you 
can work it out with your friend, see if you can rotate the prints every month 
or two. Same images in different locations and/or occasionally add/substitute 
new images.



> On May 8, 2021, at 1:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> A friend offered to let me show my photos at his restaurant at the Santa Cruz 
> yacht harbor.  With everything going on right now, I didn’t have time, money 
> or “spoons” to do anything fancy. I did make a one print, a metal print of 
> sunset at the yacht harbor it overlooks.
> 
> I wasn’t able to quite finish everything before folks started coming in for 
> dinner, but here are some quick and dirty pictures of some of them:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157719125692406
> 
> I’ll try to do more later.  I don’t think that I can safely arrange a real 
> reception, but maybe I’ll pick a day to suggest that all of my friends who 
> feel comfortable being out come down for dinner or a drink there.
> 
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Re: Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[ann sanfedele]

Too bad they have to be hung so high but still good to get your work out 
there.. I think views of these will improve at night, when the outside 
light
won't interfere - if the light in the restaurant is sufficiently 
bright..   hope you get some sales!


ann

On 5/8/2021 1:00 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

A friend offered to let me show my photos at his restaurant at the Santa Cruz 
yacht harbor.  With everything going on right now, I didn’t have time, money or 
“spoons” to do anything fancy. I did make a one print, a metal print of sunset 
at the yacht harbor it overlooks.

I wasn’t able to quite finish everything before folks started coming in for 
dinner, but here are some quick and dirty pictures of some of them:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157719125692406

I’ll try to do more later.  I don’t think that I can safely arrange a real 
reception, but maybe I’ll pick a day to suggest that all of my friends who feel 
comfortable being out come down for dinner or a drink there.

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Re: Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I enjoyed the images of the restaurant, but I would really rather see a
gallery of the prints that you have installed there!

It seems that the number and height of the windows were designed to give
the patrons great views of the harbor, but that seems to place most of the
prints well above eye level, which is less than ideal.

This is really a marvelous opportunity to show off some of your better
images.  Congratulations!

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On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 1:00 AM Larry Colen  wrote:

> A friend offered to let me show my photos at his restaurant at the Santa
> Cruz yacht harbor.  With everything going on right now, I didn’t have time,
> money or “spoons” to do anything fancy. I did make a one print, a metal
> print of sunset at the yacht harbor it overlooks.
>
> I wasn’t able to quite finish everything before folks started coming in
> for dinner, but here are some quick and dirty pictures of some of them:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157719125692406
>
> I’ll try to do more later.  I don’t think that I can safely arrange a real
> reception, but maybe I’ll pick a day to suggest that all of my friends who
> feel comfortable being out come down for dinner or a drink there.
>
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Quick and Dirty GESO of my photos on display

[Larry Colen]

A friend offered to let me show my photos at his restaurant at the Santa Cruz 
yacht harbor.  With everything going on right now, I didn’t have time, money or 
“spoons” to do anything fancy. I did make a one print, a metal print of sunset 
at the yacht harbor it overlooks.

I wasn’t able to quite finish everything before folks started coming in for 
dinner, but here are some quick and dirty pictures of some of them:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157719125692406

I’ll try to do more later.  I don’t think that I can safely arrange a real 
reception, but maybe I’ll pick a day to suggest that all of my friends who feel 
comfortable being out come down for dinner or a drink there.

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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[Larry Colen]

Igor PDML-StR wrote:



BTW, when I was giving my photos, I specified explicitly how the credit
should sound, as I've seen them not being very careful with photo
attributions. Interesting enough, after that they became more attentive
to how they credit photos, at least those that come from their own
editorial team.


I had given Michelle the photos and she is the one who gave them to the 
Good Times. She's been great about it, even left a comment on the online 
version:

http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/#comments

I'm about to grab some lunchlike substance, I'll pick up a copy of the 
paper while I'm there.





Igor

Sent from mobile phone

Larry Colen Wed, 01 Jun 2016 22:00:24 -0700 wrote:

A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for
her new album. She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's
an article in the local weekly entertainment paper. The cool thing is
that they are using one of my photos in, at least, the online version of
the article. Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit. Maybe it's
justconsidered promotional material and therefore not credited. Anyways,
the article is
at:http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/







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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[John]

It could be an accidental omission by the young lady. Larry said she
told them he was the photographer.

The newspaper/website should know better.

On 6/2/2016 8:15 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

You should definitely gotten a photo credit at least.. best always to
remind the subject to ask anyone who uses a photo taken by you in this
way to credit you

Might have been an omission by accident..

ann



On 6/2/2016 12:58 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her
new album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's
an article in the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is
that they are using one of my photos in, at least, the online version
of the article.  Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe
it's just considered promotional material and therefore not credited.
Anyways, the article is at:
http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/







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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

I had my photos published a few times in one of Houston newspapers that has 
distribution in main Texas metropolises.
Every time there was some issue: once they forgot the credits. I've noticed 
that in the online version that appears before the printed one and called 
them. They fixed that online and in print.
The other time they messed up the printed version of the photo almost 
beyond recognition. At that point I wished the had forgotten the credits. 
They didn't even bother to apologize,  just shrugged their collective 
shoulders: "things happen".

Since that I am very reluctant to give them my photos.

BTW, when I was giving my photos, I specified explicitly how the credit 
should sound, as I've seen them not being very careful with photo 
attributions. Interesting enough, after that they became more attentive to 
how they credit photos, at least those that come from their own editorial team.


Igor

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Larry Colen Wed, 01 Jun 2016 22:00:24 -0700 wrote:

A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her new 
album. She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's an article 
in the local weekly entertainment paper. The cool thing is that they are 
using one of my photos in, at least, the online version of the article. 
Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit. Maybe it's justconsidered 
promotional material and therefore not credited. Anyways, the article is 
at:http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/





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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[Bruce Walker]

That's great, Larry!

I've had the credit fail thing a couple of times. Sometimes they fall
through the cracks in the rush to publish.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her new
> album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's an article
> in the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is that they are
> using one of my photos in, at least, the online version of the article.
> Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe it's just considered
> promotional material and therefore not credited. Anyways, the article is at:
> http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/
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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[ann sanfedele]

You should definitely gotten a photo credit at least.. best always to 
remind the subject to ask anyone who uses a photo taken by you in this 
way to credit you


Might have been an omission by accident..

ann



On 6/2/2016 12:58 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her 
new album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's 
an article in the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is 
that they are using one of my photos in, at least, the online version 
of the article.  Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe 
it's just considered promotional material and therefore not credited. 
Anyways, the article is at:
http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/ 






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RE: One of my photos in the local paper

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Larry Colen wrote:

> A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her
> new album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's
> an article in the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is
> that they are using one of my photos in, at least, the online version
> of the article.  Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe
> it's just considered promotional material and therefore not credited.
> Anyways, the article is at:
> http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-
> chappel-play-don-quixotes/

Easy to see why they used this, a great picture.

Annoying about the photo credit.

Malcolm


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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[Larry Colen]

Christine Aguila wrote:

Publications should always provide a photo credit.

I would try to find out how the paper got the photo—and I don’t see any problem 
in politely asking for a photo credit.  The online version can easily do an 
article/photo update to the piece—they do it all the time.

Maybe talk to Michelle first to see what’s what.  I’m sure she’d support you in 
receiving a photo credit.


She said (on facebook) that she told them I had taken the photo.  


I sent them an email asking why I didn't get credit.



And congrats on a very nice portrait.


Thanks.  It was a fun photo session.



Cheers, Christine



On Jun 1, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her new 
album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's an article in 
the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is that they are using 
one of my photos in, at least, the online version of the article.  
Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe it's just considered 
promotional material and therefore not credited. Anyways, the article is at:
http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/

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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[Christine Aguila]

Publications should always provide a photo credit.

I would try to find out how the paper got the photo—and I don’t see any problem 
in politely asking for a photo credit.  The online version can easily do an 
article/photo update to the piece—they do it all the time.

Maybe talk to Michelle first to see what’s what.  I’m sure she’d support you in 
receiving a photo credit.

And congrats on a very nice portrait.

Cheers, Christine


> On Jun 1, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her new 
> album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's an article 
> in the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is that they are 
> using one of my photos in, at least, the online version of the article.  
> Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe it's just considered 
> promotional material and therefore not credited. Anyways, the article is at:
> http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/
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Re: One of my photos in the local paper

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It's a bummer about not getting credit for the image, but
congratulations on getting such a fine photo seen by so many who
otherwise wouldn't get the opportunity.

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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her new
> album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's an article
> in the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is that they are
> using one of my photos in, at least, the online version of the article.
> Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe it's just considered
> promotional material and therefore not credited. Anyways, the article is at:
> http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/
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One of my photos in the local paper

[Larry Colen]

A while back I posted some photos I took of my friend Michelle for her 
new album.  She's having a record release party on Sunday and there's an 
article in the local weekly entertainment paper.  The cool thing is that 
they are using one of my photos in, at least, the online version of the 
article.  Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo credit.  Maybe it's just 
considered promotional material and therefore not credited. Anyways, the 
article is at:

http://goodtimes.sc/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment/preview-michelle-chappel-play-don-quixotes/

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Re: Request to use my photos - what are the smart questions to ask?

[Igor Roshchin]

Fri Nov 30 14:49:28 EST 2012
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Charles Robinson  
> wrote:
> > .. For some charitable organizations, I let 'em use the photos for nothing 
> > ...
> 
> I do the same. I still create a T&CUA, etc, as that establishes use
> rights and my ownership. I simply note in it that usage fees are
> waived.

I assume most people know, but just in case:
Letting charitable organizations (501(c)3, IIRC) use your photos may
qualify for a tax deduction similarly to a monetary donation to the same
organization (in the US).
 
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Re: Request to use my photos - what are the smart questions to ask?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> .. For some charitable organizations, I let 'em use the photos for nothing ...

I do the same. I still create a T&CUA, etc, as that establishes use
rights and my ownership. I simply note in it that usage fees are
waived.
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Re: Request to use my photos - what are the smart questions to ask?

[Charles Robinson]

On Nov 29, 2012, at 13:34 , Collin Brendemuehl  wrote:

> You are dealing with professional publishers.
> Ask which images they wish to use, then make them available on a stock site.
> Provide them with the URL.
> That way you get paid commensurate with the usage and they don't get
> something for little of nothing.
> 

Precisely.

I pretty much copy/pasted Godfrey's form letter - we'll see if they reply.

For textbooks/magazines, I ask for money.  I don't make a ton annually but it's 
"fun money" which I usually throw into a "I'm gonna buy myself a new camera 
thing" fund.  My K7 has at least paid for itself (which is kind of a surprise, 
but hey I'll take it).

For some charitable organizations, I let 'em use the photos for nothing - but 
these textbook guys in Denmark can afford to cough up some money.  :-)

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Re: Request to use my photos - what are the smart questions to ask?

[jn289]

Charles, if the photos that they want to use are 
one of a kind and can not be repeated, you should 
ask a higher fee, But if you are just happy that 
they asked to use them and will get a publication 
credit, then think very hard as not to price them 
out of the question. As to how I know about this 
is because I have had many photos published in 
newspapers, magazines, etc.
A list of my photo credits in on the page at the 
Pentax users gallery at the following link. When 
I first started it was nice to get the photo 
credit, but the money even made it nicer.. Joe


http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/joedixon



I've been approached by a Danish (?) textbook 
company to use some of my images for both print 
and ebook.


They've asked nicely if they "Šcan use some of 
your images".  For non-profits, illustrative 
use, and other things I've been known to say 
"sure, just go ahead".


Since this is a commercial venture, however, I'm 
inclined to say "yes, butŠ" and ask to be 
compensated.


It's been awhile since I've sold any images - 
what are the few concise smart questions to ask 
them in terms of how the images will be used? 



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Re: Request to use my photos - what are the smart questions to ask?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> I've been approached by a Danish (?) textbook company to use some of my 
> images for both print and ebook.
>
> They've asked nicely if they "…can use some of your images".  For 
> non-profits, illustrative use, and other things I've been known to say "sure, 
> just go ahead".
>
> Since this is a commercial venture, however, I'm inclined to say "yes, but…" 
> and ask to be compensated.
>
> It's been awhile since I've sold any images - what are the few concise smart 
> questions to ask them in terms of how the images will be used?

This is the exact form letter I used (successfully) on many occasions
when I was contacted in this way. I obtained the basic version of it
from the Editorial Photographers association and website, along with
many of the basic documents you need to do this sort of thing without
cutting your own throat (http://www.editorialphoto.com):

"Dear {person who contacted you},

Thank you for your inquiry into the use of my copyrighted photographs.
I would be most pleased to license them for your use.

Do you have a Terms and Conditions of Use Agreement which you
customarily use? If not, I have a standard T&CUA which I can prepare
for your review.

I use the licensing rates provided by FOTOQuote Pro software, which
requires that I know the market domain, press run, and intended use
for the photos to calculate a rate to quote for your use. If you can
provide this information, or have your own company photo rate schedule
that I can review, I will be happy to work with you to fix an
appropriate compensation for your use.

I look forward to doing business with you. And thank you again for your inquiry!

Sincerely,
{name
 title, business name, and full contact information}"

Good luck! For a few years there, cold call contacts like this
provided a nice living ... it's a tough business.
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Re: Request to use my photos - what are the smart questions to ask?

[Christine Nielsen]

Charles,

I'm sure others on the list could offer more comprehensive advice, but
I have found this site - The American Society of Media Photographers -
very helpful:

http://asmp.org/tutorials/how-write-license.html#.ULdrmYWHptQ

I think whether or not or how much you decide to charge for the use,
it's important to specify the terms of the use of the image... the
asmp site is good at walking you through the details of what use might
look like, and how to specify in a license.

Best of luck,
-c

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> I've been approached by a Danish (?) textbook company to use some of my 
> images for both print and ebook.
>
> They've asked nicely if they "…can use some of your images".  For 
> non-profits, illustrative use, and other things I've been known to say "sure, 
> just go ahead".
>
> Since this is a commercial venture, however, I'm inclined to say "yes, but…" 
> and ask to be compensated.
>
> It's been awhile since I've sold any images - what are the few concise smart 
> questions to ask them in terms of how the images will be used?
>
>
>  -Charles
>
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Request to use my photos - what are the smart questions to ask?

[Charles Robinson]

I've been approached by a Danish (?) textbook company to use some of my images 
for both print and ebook.

They've asked nicely if they "…can use some of your images".  For non-profits, 
illustrative use, and other things I've been known to say "sure, just go ahead".

Since this is a commercial venture, however, I'm inclined to say "yes, but…" 
and ask to be compensated.

It's been awhile since I've sold any images - what are the few concise smart 
questions to ask them in terms of how the images will be used?  


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Tim Bray]

I’ve had a Nexus 7 for a few weeks, and you can read lots of other
reviews about it by actual professional reviewers, but here’s mine:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2012/06/30/Nexus-Seven

Frankly, I’d probably rather look at pictures on a 10-inch tablet.
Having said that, this one has a nice screen, and is immensely more
portable, and like they say, the best portable photo portfolio is the
portable photo portfolio you have with you.  -T

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
>
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/
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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[steve harley]

on 2012-06-27 16:08 Bob W wrote

he gives a range for normal *reading* distance of 12-16". This is for reading 
books.


interesting; in my experience, the range is much wider, and the age of tablets 
and phones is making it even more variable



For reading a desktop computer the health & safety, ergonomics people usually talk 
about 20", or approximately arms-length - you'd have to look at their sites to get 
a better definition, and possibly also a bell curve.


i've been keen on display ergonomics since the 80s, and never seen statistics 
on what people do in real life — just recommendations of what is best — but i 
would be very interested to see such stats



However, I don't know why you need a bell curve - you just have to look around 
you at a large number of people looking at pictures in every day circumstances


in fact i have done that, focusing on phones (in a discussion elsewhere 
regarding the "retina display" concept); i've seen a few people reading phones 
as close as 6" and some the way i read mine (24" or more); my own computer 
displays are farther — my laptop display ("hi-res" version of MacBook Pro) is 
up to 40" away (950 cm right now); at that distance, the individual pixels have 
a small enough angle of view that they fit the "retina" definition


btw, the arm length thing is a fallacy because people's eyes are not in their 
shoulders; without contortions, with my arm fully extended, 45 degrees from 
horizontal (lap position) can hold the phone properly 32.5" from my eye; this 
has something to do with my neck and face dimensions and distance from my 
shoulder to my neck



Mante's claim is that the viewing distance should be twice the diagonal of the 
picture, ergo the diagonal should be half the viewing distance.

Mante studied at the Bauhaus and although he doesn't give specific references 
for his claims, he does say that his aim is to extend to photography the 
findings published in the Bauhaus books.


i think it's worth knowing what the "Bauhaus position", as it were, might be, 
and i thank you for that pending my inter-library loan; but i do think it's 
very subjective; where is the Mante of today, working on the pragmatics of 
viewing on-screen images?


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 05:41:37PM +1200, David Mann wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Bob W wrote:
> >> ... nothing but froth, for dummies.
> > 
> > I much prefer the O'Reilly book "Nothing but froth in a nutshell".
> 
> Is that the one with the cormorant on the cover?

No - the cormorant has dived beneath the surface in search of fish.

On the cover there's - (wait for it) - Nothing But Froth.  [rimshot]


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[David Mann]

On Jun 28, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

> On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Bob W wrote:
>> ... nothing but froth, for dummies.
> 
> I much prefer the O'Reilly book "Nothing but froth in a nutshell".

Is that the one with the cormorant on the cover?

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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Steve Cottrell]

On 27/6/12, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I want to see my work BIG. I want it to cover a wall, but I'll settle
>for 24x36".

Bloody full-framers ;)

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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley


on 2012-06-27 13:34 Bob W wrote

If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a normal
viewing distance a 6x4" is about the right size.


define "normal viewing distance" (preferably with a bell-curve) ...



A weekly brunch where a bunch of people are sitting around a table at 
IHOP passing various tablets (Apple and non-Apple) back and forth to 
show each other what they've done in the last week.


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bruce Walker]

Zach Arias might say: use both.

"Oh, another thing about showing your work at meetings. Some thing
working pretty well for me right now is showing up with a print book
of 20 to 30 images and then having "expanded" galleries on an iPad. If
someone responds more to the portraits then I have more of that to
show. If they want to see more candid work then I have more of that to
show. And then I have some personal galleries to share as well. I
think the print book is still king but an iPad makes a nice... queen?
Prince? Jester? Something."

http://www.formspring.me/zarias/q/342512153003061492


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/
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RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Colen
> 
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Bob W wrote:
> > ... nothing but froth, for dummies.
> 
> I much prefer the O'Reilly book "Nothing but froth in a nutshell".
> 

:o)


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

This is PDML. Since when is clarity required to make a point?

;-)

cheers,
frank, clearly eliding your text...

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

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Sent: June 27, 2012 6/27/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 


In my haste to make a point,
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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
>http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/

Yes, it will be a good way to show off your photos. I use my Toshiba
Thrive tablet for that purpose. It's like having a portfolio (in fact,
the tablet seems to have become the de facto portfolio of our era)
with dozens or hundreds of photos available in a format that's much
easier to carry about than a print portfolio. This means you can have
it with you most of the time and be ready to show at a moment's
notice. I set mine up with several directories of images, each of
which constitutes a different kind of portfolio, depending on whom I
might want to show it to.

 
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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Bob W wrote:
> ... nothing but froth, for dummies.

I much prefer the O'Reilly book "Nothing but froth in a nutshell".

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RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Walker
[...]
> 
> And yet Mante's claim would seem to not apply to the viewing of images.
> Else how to explain the enormous number of art and photography books
> with larger dimensions. I have a whole bunch of photo books in my own
> small collection that are on the order of 10x13" (16+"
> diagonal) that contain images near that size. One of my faves, a
> Lillian Bassman book, features mostly full-bleed and even gutter-
> straddling images. I don't hold these books 32" away to view them. I
> read them at arms-length, and I can assure you that I have industry
> standard arms.
> 
> I don't think that all these photo/art books are outliers. I contend
> that folks like larger images.
> 

I have a gripe with art and photo books that are too big to hold and read 
comfortably. I think that their size is not so much a result of readers' 
preferences, but of some sort of arms race for prominence in the bookstore, and 
coffee table impressiveness at home. A lot of them are probably also bought as 
presents and may seem more impressive as such when they are bigger than the 
room they're supposed to go in.

I still have quite a few overlarge photo books myself. If I want to look at the 
photos I can only buy the book that's on offer - I don't normally get a choice 
of an oversize book or one designed for normal humans. But the books I take off 
the shelf most often are the ones that fit on my lap without breaking my 
thighs, and don't require the sort of lectern that only cathedrals should have.

I also suspect that smaller books sell more. In the shops where I lurk the 
colossal books get a lectern to themselves, but there's only one copy and 
nobody buys it even when it ends up in the sale bin. On the other hand the 
little books have plenty of shelf space which suggests a decent turnover.

There's a similar bloat tendency in the IT book market, where in my experience 
the books tend to be useful in inverse proportion to their size, although the 
shops are filled with fat books that contain nothing but froth, for dummies.

> I also don't think that anyone hiring a photographer would be satisfied
> being handed a portfolio of 4x6" or 5x7" shots. I'm pretty sure they'd
> expect to see 8x10" or so. I think that, as a sales tool, 4x6" images
> would be rather lacking. They're fine for holiday snaps though.
> 




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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> > Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White
>> > Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand
>> > Reinhold Company, 1971), 10
>>
>> sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find (i did
>> request
>> an interlibrary loan) — but what's his definition of normal viewing
>> distance?
>>
>
> he gives a range for normal *reading* distance of 12-16". This is for reading 
> books. For reading a desktop computer the health & safety, ergonomics people 
> usually talk about 20", or approximately arms-length - you'd have to look at 
> their sites to get a better definition, and possibly also a bell curve.
>
> However, I don't know why you need a bell curve - you just have to look 
> around you at a large number of people looking at pictures in every day 
> circumstances - from books, screens, iPads, art galleries, to get an idea, 
> and your experience of seeing many humans should give you some idea how 
> limited their physical variability is - most people's arms are the same 
> length, give or take a few inches; most people stand about the same distance 
> away from pictures in a gallery and sit about the same distance away from 
> their computer screen, give or take a few inches. Of course we can all 
> produce examples of outliers, but they're, er, outliers, so they don't 
> broadly affect this.
>
> Mante's claim is that the viewing distance should be twice the diagonal of 
> the picture, ergo the diagonal should be half the viewing distance.
>
> Mante studied at the Bauhaus and although he doesn't give specific references 
> for his claims, he does say that his aim is to extend to photography the 
> findings published in the Bauhaus books.
>
> B

This sounds about right, quite honestly, and fits with my own
observations, certainly for *reading*. And I think that to avoid
tiring the eyes out reading, that 2:1 distance/diagonal viewing angle
calc is probably on the money.

And yet Mante's claim would seem to not apply to the viewing of
images. Else how to explain the enormous number of art and photography
books with larger dimensions. I have a whole bunch of photo books in
my own small collection that are on the order of 10x13" (16+"
diagonal) that contain images near that size. One of my faves, a
Lillian Bassman book, features mostly full-bleed and even
gutter-straddling images. I don't hold these books 32" away to view
them. I read them at arms-length, and I can assure you that I have
industry standard arms.

I don't think that all these photo/art books are outliers. I contend
that folks like larger images.

I also don't think that anyone hiring a photographer would be
satisfied being handed a portfolio of 4x6" or 5x7" shots. I'm pretty
sure they'd expect to see 8x10" or so. I think that, as a sales tool,
4x6" images would be rather lacking. They're fine for holiday snaps
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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bruce Walker]

Sorry, Bob, I didn't mean intentionally to be a jackass by eliding text.

I don't seriously suggest that I (or anyone) would prefer to hold
24x36" images in my (their) hands to view them, or to offer that size
as an alternative to a 7" diagonal image. In my haste to make a point,
I omitted clarity.


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> Nice bit of selective quoting. You can look at pictures any size you like,
> and so can Larry whose 7" screen you poo-pooed. I merely pointed out, in
> support of Larry's idea, that the optimum size for viewing under normal
> conditions is closer to his 7" than to your preferred 24x36". This provoked
> a snarky reply to which I replied snarkily.
>
> However, if you wish to see the whole of your 24x36" picture without
> scanning then assuming your eyesight is within normal human parameters you
> will need to view it from a distance of about 8', whether you like that or
> not. But of course that's up to you.
>
> B
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Bruce Walker
>> Sent: 27 June 2012 22:18
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> >
>> > My reference for the dimensions 6x4" - which I offer you even though
>> > this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed
>> > scientific publication that requires such references - is
>> >
>> > Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White
>> > Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand
>> > Reinhold Company, 1971), 10
>> >
>> > To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to
>> > Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an
>> > informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific
>> > publication that requires such conformance, but if you think I have
>> > got this wrong please do not hesitate to point out my error and I
>> will endeavour to correct it.
>> >
>> > B
>>
>> Whoa! That settles it: I'm just going to have to adjust my preferences
>> now. Here I was cheerfully cavorting around with my wild, unschooled
>> and untutored ideas about how much I like seeing images bigger when
>> here it has been formalized -- in print! -- since 1971.
>>
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RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bob W]

> > Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White
> > Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand
> > Reinhold Company, 1971), 10
> 
> sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find (i did
> request
> an interlibrary loan) — but what's his definition of normal viewing
> distance?
> 

he gives a range for normal *reading* distance of 12-16". This is for reading 
books. For reading a desktop computer the health & safety, ergonomics people 
usually talk about 20", or approximately arms-length - you'd have to look at 
their sites to get a better definition, and possibly also a bell curve. 

However, I don't know why you need a bell curve - you just have to look around 
you at a large number of people looking at pictures in every day circumstances 
- from books, screens, iPads, art galleries, to get an idea, and your 
experience of seeing many humans should give you some idea how limited their 
physical variability is - most people's arms are the same length, give or take 
a few inches; most people stand about the same distance away from pictures in a 
gallery and sit about the same distance away from their computer screen, give 
or take a few inches. Of course we can all produce examples of outliers, but 
they're, er, outliers, so they don't broadly affect this.

Mante's claim is that the viewing distance should be twice the diagonal of the 
picture, ergo the diagonal should be half the viewing distance.

Mante studied at the Bauhaus and although he doesn't give specific references 
for his claims, he does say that his aim is to extend to photography the 
findings published in the Bauhaus books.

B


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Nice bit of selective quoting. You can look at pictures any size you like,
> and so can Larry whose 7" screen you poo-pooed. I merely pointed out, in
> support of Larry's idea, that the optimum size for viewing under normal
> conditions is closer to his 7" than to your preferred 24x36". This provoked
> a snarky reply to which I replied snarkily.

Now boys, remember that arguing on the internet is like running in the special 
olympics.

At the moment, if I'm not at home, I have three possible ways to show off my 
photos.  Carry around my portfolio books of 8x12s, which I had been doing for a 
while, print up and show off a blurb book, show pictures on my first generation 
motorola droid.

I mostly show off my blurb books, which are great when it's light, and at about 
$.50/page aren't terribly expensive as printing goes.  However, it seems that a 
lot of the times that someone asks about my photos, I'm someplace that has 
crappy light.  Some sort of tablet would be an excellent compromise.  I'd love 
a huge, high definition display, but that might be a bit awkward to carry, and 
any device with one would be godawful expensive.

There are some advantages to iPads, and some disadvantages.  I suspect that 
they have pretty much the same UI as the iPhone.  I've tried using them a few 
times, and when the iPod touch came out, I really wanted to like it, and have 
an excuse to buy it, but the UI just does not work for me.  Same thing with the 
original macs, I hated the UI, and found it got in the way of getting anything 
useful done.  OSX is great, I love it, I use it for just about everything but 
programming.  But, I digress.

The new Nexus 7 looks like a very promising compromise of power and price, 
although in a fortnight or so, I'll likely be upgrading my aging droid to an 
S3, which should be a big improvement for showing off photos, and will possibly 
even be usable for reading ebooks and the like.

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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[steve harley]

on 2012-06-27 15:33 steve harley wrote


sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find


i should have added "... though i appreciate your very helpful and exact 
citation"

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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[steve harley]

on 2012-06-27 14:42 Bob W wrote

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
steve harley

on 2012-06-27 13:34 Bob W wrote

If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a
normal viewing distance a 6x4" is about the right size.


define "normal viewing distance" (preferably with a bell-curve) ...



Ask Apple: 


they don't have a bell curve; that is one of my big beefs with Apple; i do know 
about the "retina" claims, but the angle of view for individual pixels seems to 
be a pretty different criterion than "seeing in one eyeful" (an attractive idea 
but i wonder how measurable or even necessary it is)


in any case i am skeptical that there is one normal viewing distance, but if 
the concept is used it ought to be defined




My reference for the dimensions 6x4" - which I offer you even though this is
just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific
publication that requires such references - is

Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White
Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand
Reinhold Company, 1971), 10


sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find (i did request 
an interlibrary loan) — but what's his definition of normal viewing distance?


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RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bob W]

Nice bit of selective quoting. You can look at pictures any size you like,
and so can Larry whose 7" screen you poo-pooed. I merely pointed out, in
support of Larry's idea, that the optimum size for viewing under normal
conditions is closer to his 7" than to your preferred 24x36". This provoked
a snarky reply to which I replied snarkily.

However, if you wish to see the whole of your 24x36" picture without
scanning then assuming your eyesight is within normal human parameters you
will need to view it from a distance of about 8', whether you like that or
not. But of course that's up to you.

B

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Walker
> Sent: 27 June 2012 22:18
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> Subject: Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
> 
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> >
> > My reference for the dimensions 6x4" - which I offer you even though
> > this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed
> > scientific publication that requires such references - is
> >
> > Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White
> > Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand
> > Reinhold Company, 1971), 10
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to
> > Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an
> > informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific
> > publication that requires such conformance, but if you think I have
> > got this wrong please do not hesitate to point out my error and I
> will endeavour to correct it.
> >
> > B
> 
> Whoa! That settles it: I'm just going to have to adjust my preferences
> now. Here I was cheerfully cavorting around with my wild, unschooled
> and untutored ideas about how much I like seeing images bigger when
> here it has been formalized -- in print! -- since 1971.
> 
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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>
> My reference for the dimensions 6x4" - which I offer you even though this is
> just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific
> publication that requires such references - is
>
> Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White
> Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand
> Reinhold Company, 1971), 10
>
> To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to Chicago
> Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an informal mailing
> list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such
> conformance, but if you think I have got this wrong please do not hesitate
> to point out my error and I will endeavour to correct it.
>
> B

Whoa! That settles it: I'm just going to have to adjust my preferences
now. Here I was cheerfully cavorting around with my wild, unschooled
and untutored ideas about how much I like seeing images bigger when
here it has been formalized -- in print! -- since 1971.

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RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> steve harley
> 
> on 2012-06-27 13:34 Bob W wrote
> > If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a
> > normal viewing distance a 6x4" is about the right size.
> 
> define "normal viewing distance" (preferably with a bell-curve) ...
> 

Ask Apple: 

They've designed the iPad around it:
"Those pixels are so close together, your eyes can't discern individual ones
at a normal viewing distance. When you can't see the pixels, you see the
whole picture. Or article. Or game. In ways you never could before."

For my purposes, on this informal mailing list that isn't a peer-reviewed
scientific publication that requires such definitions, it is the distance at
which you normally look at photographs. 

My reference for the dimensions 6x4" - which I offer you even though this is
just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific
publication that requires such references - is 

Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White
Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand
Reinhold Company, 1971), 10

To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to Chicago
Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an informal mailing
list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such
conformance, but if you think I have got this wrong please do not hesitate
to point out my error and I will endeavour to correct it.

B

> i think an iPad is probably the best choice; even versions 1 & 2 (pre-
> Retina) have IPS displays which improves off-angle viewing tremendously
> compared to most other tablets
> 
> alternatively an Apple TV is only $100 (assuming you already have a
> modest flat-panel television); i have "only" a 32" 720p set and an
> Apple TV II, but it is probably the easiest, most social way to
> casually share photos with friends



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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[steve harley]

on 2012-06-27 14:10 steve harley wrote


i think an iPad is probably the best choice; even versions 1 & 2 (pre-Retina)
have IPS displays which improves off-angle viewing tremendously compared to
most other tablets


just learned the Nexus has an IPS display, so it might be pretty good for 
showing photos if the size is workable



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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Which five Blurb books? The last two I purchased were $70 and $125
> respectively.

Here are three of them:
http://www.blurb.com/user/lrc

Plus, the pdml books are going for $60ish in paperback, which is what I'd be 
carrying around in my backpack..


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[steve harley]

on 2012-06-27 13:34 Bob W wrote

If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a normal
viewing distance a 6x4" is about the right size.


define "normal viewing distance" (preferably with a bell-curve) ...

i think an iPad is probably the best choice; even versions 1 & 2 (pre-Retina) 
have IPS displays which improves off-angle viewing tremendously compared to 
most other tablets


alternatively an Apple TV is only $100 (assuming you already have a modest 
flat-panel television); i have "only" a 32" 720p set and an Apple TV II, but it 
is probably the easiest, most social way to casually share photos with friends


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Which five Blurb books? The last two I purchased were $70 and $125
> respectively. So you're talking either $350 or $625 there by your
> calculations, which is iPad territory—and IMO a far better machine
> which is actually useful.

Pretty strong assertion about a machine that was just demonstrated a few hours 
ago.  Are you at the Google event and have had a chance to use one?

> 
> Buy the new iPad with the Retina Display, refurb or not, if you want
> to show photos to best advantage.

If I could afford a brand new Leica, I could afford an iPad with the retina 
display.  I'm afraid that my toy budget doesn't stretch that far, because 
unlike you, I just do my photography for fun, and there's only so much abuse of 
credit cards that I can justify.


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:55, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:04, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
>>> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/
>>> 
>> 
>> Isn't a refurb 16GB iPad2 also about $200?
> 
> Cheapest refurb iPad I see is $350
> 
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad
> 

So I see.  ($319 is what I see for a "previous generation" iPad2). 

Swear to god I saw $230-250 a few weeks ago.  Sorry!

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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Which five Blurb books? The last two I purchased were $70 and $125
respectively. So you're talking either $350 or $625 there by your
calculations, which is iPad territory—and IMO a far better machine
which is actually useful.

Buy the new iPad with the Retina Display, refurb or not, if you want
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RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Walker
> 
> A 7 inch screen? About equivalent to looking at your shots as 5x7"
> prints. Which are about as cheap as dirt here. And just as much fun to
> look at, as far as I'm concerned.
> 
> I see my work on my parents' iPad, which is 10 inches I guess, and
> that's too small, though it's nice and crisp. I like the high pixel
> density there.
> 
> I want to see my work BIG. I want it to cover a wall, but I'll settle
> for 24x36".
> 

If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a normal
viewing distance a 6x4" is about the right size. Anything bigger means you
are only really looking at segments of the picture and having to scan it
eyebally. If you print bigger then you have to get further away to see the
whole thing. 

People do like to look at detail, so printing a bit bigger than 6x4 is
probably reasonable for viewing at normal reading distances, but much else
is essentially pixel-peeping, or behaving like the people in art galleries
who peer really closely as if they're examining the brushwork to the
exclusion of the picture itself.

B


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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

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On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

> On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:04, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> 
>> At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
>> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/
>> 
> 
> Isn't a refurb 16GB iPad2 also about $200?

Cheapest refurb iPad I see is $350

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

[Bruce Walker]

A 7 inch screen? About equivalent to looking at your shots as 5x7"
prints. Which are about as cheap as dirt here. And just as much fun to
look at, as far as I'm concerned.

I see my work on my parents' iPad, which is 10 inches I guess, and
that's too small, though it's nice and crisp. I like the high pixel
density there.

I want to see my work BIG. I want it to cover a wall, but I'll settle
for 24x36".


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>
> At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
>
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/
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Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos

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On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:04, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/
> 

Isn't a refurb 16GB iPad2 also about $200?

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At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/

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RE: A different view of my photos

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Colen
> Sent: 15 January 2012 19:40
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: A different view of my photos
> 
> Last year, Zab's mother was very enthusiastic about my book of photos
> telling Zab how much she liked them, how great I was and mentioned all
> the famous photographers from New York City that she had personally
> known (Ann wasn't on that list, however, so she can't have known all of
> the greats).
> This year, she made a comment that prompted Zab to ask her what each of
> the photos was about.  The answers are both humorous and sad. Barbara
> is in her late 80's and after  a cataract surgery that left her nearly
> blind in one eye, didn't want to risk it on her other eye. My favorite
> is probably seeing the train and proclaiming that it is a building in
> Italy.
> 
> www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157628883662813/
> 

that's pretty interesting. When you look closely at the bass player you can
actually see why she thinks it's a monkey - the shape of the beard divides
the flesh-coloured parts and his ear could be an eye, and his chin becomes a
bit muzzle-like.

B


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A different view of my photos

[Larry Colen]

Last year, Zab's mother was very enthusiastic about my book of photos telling 
Zab how much she liked them, how great I was and mentioned all the famous 
photographers from New York City that she had personally known (Ann wasn't on 
that list, however, so she can't have known all of the greats).
This year, she made a comment that prompted Zab to ask her what each of the 
photos was about.  The answers are both humorous and sad. Barbara is in her 
late 80's and after  a cataract surgery that left her nearly blind in one eye, 
didn't want to risk it on her other eye. My favorite is probably seeing the 
train and proclaiming that it is a building in Italy.

www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157628883662813/

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Re: At least they're my photos

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

> 
> 
> Larry,
> 
> It's always nice to see your own photos used.
> 
> I don't know if that's the event where they asked you to be the "official"
> photographer.

Yup.  And I only got in a few dances each night because of it.

> Whenever I am negotiating about my photos with the event organizers
> (or whoever asks to use my photos), - I explicitly discuss the name
> credit. It could be a paid photo (but then often it is not paid at the
> full "commercial" rate), or a free one/donated, where I do it for a good 
> cause - in case of community events.

I talked with the folks involved and cleared up the misunderstanding, and it 
has been fixed.


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Re: At least they're my photos

[Igor Roshchin]

Larry,

It's always nice to see your own photos used.

I don't know if that's the event where they asked you to be the "official"
photographer.
Whenever I am negotiating about my photos with the event organizers
(or whoever asks to use my photos), - I explicitly discuss the name
credit. It could be a paid photo (but then often it is not paid at the
full "commercial" rate), or a free one/donated, where I do it for a good 
cause - in case of community events.

If you haven't negotiated otherwise, - you may want to mention
this to the organizers explicitly, - it is possible that they just
didn't pay attention to that.

You maybe curious to learn that the photographer who was shooting
photos for Lindyfest for several years (and those a nice photos), - 
got pissed by the lack of name credit anywhere (brochures, website).
Last year she refused to take photos. I think the organizers learned
the lesson - now you can see the proper name credit everywhere, -
but maybe it's too late. 
I am curious to see who will be doing it 2011.
(Although, the guy who was taking it this year was good, - I liked
his photos; actually he does it in a style similar to mine.)


Cheers,

Igor


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Re: At least they're my photos

[Boris Liberman]

On 12/8/2010 9:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

From one of the costume contests as part of the dance workshop last weekend. 
Not my best work,  and it would have been nice if I'd actually gotten photo 
credits, but my photos none the less:


http://www.thefeast.com/sanfrancisco/shopping/FEAST-SHOP-SF-Photos-The-Golden-Gate-Pin-Up-Contest-111493864.html

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Congratulations. But why no credits nonetheless???

Boris



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At least they're my photos

[Larry Colen]

>From one of the costume contests as part of the dance workshop last weekend. 
>Not my best work,  and it would have been nice if I'd actually gotten photo 
>credits, but my photos none the less:

http://www.thefeast.com/sanfrancisco/shopping/FEAST-SHOP-SF-Photos-The-Golden-Gate-Pin-Up-Contest-111493864.html

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Re: (P)Z1/(P)Z1p (was: I can;t see my photos)

[Dario Bonazza]

John Sessoms wrote:

Whether the data back was standard or optional, it's shown in the 
illustrations used for the PZ-1p manual.


They could have used the illustrations from the PZ-1 manual that don't 
show the data back.


But since they used illustrations showing the Data Back for the PZ-1p 
manual, I don't think it's "US-centric" to suggest it should be mentioned 
somewhere in the text that accompanies the illustrations, even if it's 
only in a disclaimer.


I agree with you on the specific suggestion of a disclaimer in that case. It 
is quite evident that showing a data back in some pictures of a manual not 
dealing with data back is not the best way to illustrate products. However, 
I know what happens when doing operating manuals in a rush and before the 
actual product is ready for sale, hence I'm not so much surprised a less 
than perfect manual could end up being published and shipped.


That "please don't think US-centric" I didn't refer to your statement above. 
It was rather a general suggestion of a broader way of thinking to all those 
considering what they have in their hands as "the rule", while sometimes it 
can be the exception.


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RE: (P)Z1/(P)Z1p (was: I can;t see my photos)

[John Sessoms]

From: "Dario Bonazza"
Please don't think US-centric, think worldwide as a camera manufacturer has 
to do. The key points involved in this case are:
1 - Camera manuals are developed together with cameras, before they actually 
go on sale. For that reason, marketing decisions taken afterwards aren't 
reflected in the manuals.
2 - Usually, Pentax develops different manuals for Japan and abroad, while 
many pictures can be shared among them. So it is possible a data back shows 
up in a picture for a camera intended to be on sale worldwide without a data 
back. Not the best thing to do, but possible.


Among the reasons for making different manuals, sometimes there is 
difference for standard equipment and optional accessories.
Often, the data back was included as standard in Japan (and possibly other 
markets, for some marketing strategy decided after the manuals were 
released).


Summing up: the international manuals were mostly developed thinking of 
cameras WITHOUT a data back. However, in certain markets those same cameras 
were sold WITH data backs as standard equipment. That was a marketing 
decision, not a design feature.


BTW: my Z1 has no data back.

Dario 



Whether the data back was standard or optional, it's shown in the 
illustrations used for the PZ-1p manual.


They could have used the illustrations from the PZ-1 manual that don't 
show the data back.


But since they used illustrations showing the Data Back for the PZ-1p 
manual, I don't think it's "US-centric" to suggest it should be 
mentioned somewhere in the text that accompanies the illustrations, even 
if it's only in a disclaimer.


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Re: (P)Z1/(P)Z1p (was: I can;t see my photos)

[Bob Sullivan]

Neither did mine Dario, but I bought one by phone at KEH.  Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Dario Bonazza
 wrote:
>
> BTW: my Z1 has no data back.

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Re: I can;t see my photos

[Thibouille]

In europe at least, Z1 had no date back as stadard.
As said already, Z1P had no intervalometer though Z1 has one.
Z1 is 3fps and Z1P is 4fps. Not sure if the Z1 had a 2sec mirror-up feature.
Personal Functions are a bit different as well.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Chris Mitchell
 wrote:
>
>
>> From mike wilson
>> Sent: 23 November 2009 18:35
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: I can;t see my photos
>>
>> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> > John Sessoms wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "William Robb"
>> >>
>> >>>From: "Bob Sullivan"
>> >>>
>> >>>The date back was an option on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p.  It cost about
>> $45
>> >>>new.  Regards,  Bob S.
>> >>>
>> >>>Nowadays that's a pretty cheap date.
>> >>
>> >>Between reading Bob's response and yours, I remembered someone
>> mentioned
>> >>the back with the buttons on my PZ-1p was an optional accessory. I
>> >>checked Pentax's support literature download site, and sure enough,
>> >>there it is under Miscellaneous Accessories.
>> >>
>> >>I finally figured it's the "Data Back Fd", and saved the PDF file.
>> >>
>> >>I went back through the PZ-1p manual again, but there appears to be
>> no
>> >>mention of the Data Back as an available accessory, even though it's
>> >>shown in some of the illustrations.
>> >
>> >
>> > I think the date back was standard on the PZ-1p. I know mine had it
>> > and I know I didn't ask for it or pay extra for it. At the time, all
>> > the B&H ads, etc. listed it as the "PZ-1p QD" (for "quartz date")
>> >
>> > I've never seen a 1p without the date feature.
>>
>> (P)Z1 had a date back and intervalometer as standard.  p, not.
>
> At the risk of being nerdy, my Z1 only has the interval shooting mode, not
> the date back.
>
> I could never work out why they removed the interval shooting mode from the
> supposedly superior Z1p. It was far more use than a panoramic mask...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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(P)Z1/(P)Z1p (was: I can;t see my photos)

[Dario Bonazza]

Please don't think US-centric, think worldwide as a camera manufacturer has 
to do. The key points involved in this case are:
1 - Camera manuals are developed together with cameras, before they actually 
go on sale. For that reason, marketing decisions taken afterwards aren't 
reflected in the manuals.
2 - Usually, Pentax develops different manuals for Japan and abroad, while 
many pictures can be shared among them. So it is possible a data back shows 
up in a picture for a camera intended to be on sale worldwide without a data 
back. Not the best thing to do, but possible.


Among the reasons for making different manuals, sometimes there is 
difference for standard equipment and optional accessories.
Often, the data back was included as standard in Japan (and possibly other 
markets, for some marketing strategy decided after the manuals were 
released).


Summing up: the international manuals were mostly developed thinking of 
cameras WITHOUT a data back. However, in certain markets those same cameras 
were sold WITH data backs as standard equipment. That was a marketing 
decision, not a design feature.


BTW: my Z1 has no data back.

Dario 



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Re: I can;t see my photos

[John Sessoms]

From: mike wilson

John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "Dario Bonazza"
> 

>> John Sessoms wrote:
>>
>>> > At this point, I don't know if I'll bother, since someone also 
>>> wrote that > the PZ-1p is NOT the model that puts the date in between 
>>> the frames, that > it puts the date in the image.

>>> >
>>> > But I do appreciate all the help.
>>> >
>>> > I wonder why Pentax didn't include information about it in the manual?

>>
>>
>> Because the date back was optional and not standard equipment. Some 
>> models were factory-equipped with a date back in the Japanese home 
>> marklet only.

>>
>> Dario 
> 
> 
> I understand that, but shouldn't the data back at least have been 
> mentioned in the PZ-1p manual on page 111 with the other accessories?


I am suprised at your apparent lack of familiarity with camera manuals. 
  Usefulness is, emphatically, not one of their design features.




I come at it partly from having once been the tech support guy at the 
other end of the phone line, where it's a cliché that most problems 
would never be problems if only the end user would only RTFM.


And from the military where everything is always BY THE BOOK.

The answer is ALWAYS in the TM; the Training Manual ... dash 10 (-10) 
for the operator's instructions & dash 20 (-20) for unit level 
maintenance procedures.


If it's not in the -10 or the -20 for the end item (e.g. HMMWV), there's 
a reference section to tell you which series of manuals cover the 
component part (e.g. manuals for the radios that go IN the HMMWV)


OR

There's a way to submit real world corrections to be incorporated in the 
TM in the next update.


Because of that, I'm prone to undue optimism about finding information 
in user manuals, and expect them to at least point me towards where the 
answer can be found if it's not actually in the manual.


I tend to forget sometimes that the real world hasn't quite got itself 
organized yet.


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RE: I can;t see my photos

[Chris Mitchell]

> From mike wilson
> Sent: 23 November 2009 18:35
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: I can;t see my photos
> 
> Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> > John Sessoms wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: "William Robb"
> >>
> >>>From: "Bob Sullivan"
> >>>
> >>>The date back was an option on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p.  It cost about
> $45
> >>>new.  Regards,  Bob S.
> >>>
> >>>Nowadays that's a pretty cheap date.
> >>
> >>Between reading Bob's response and yours, I remembered someone
> mentioned
> >>the back with the buttons on my PZ-1p was an optional accessory. I
> >>checked Pentax's support literature download site, and sure enough,
> >>there it is under Miscellaneous Accessories.
> >>
> >>I finally figured it's the "Data Back Fd", and saved the PDF file.
> >>
> >>I went back through the PZ-1p manual again, but there appears to be
> no
> >>mention of the Data Back as an available accessory, even though it's
> >>shown in some of the illustrations.
> >
> >
> > I think the date back was standard on the PZ-1p. I know mine had it
> > and I know I didn't ask for it or pay extra for it. At the time, all
> > the B&H ads, etc. listed it as the "PZ-1p QD" (for "quartz date")
> >
> > I've never seen a 1p without the date feature.
> 
> (P)Z1 had a date back and intervalometer as standard.  p, not.

At the risk of being nerdy, my Z1 only has the interval shooting mode, not
the date back.

I could never work out why they removed the interval shooting mode from the
supposedly superior Z1p. It was far more use than a panoramic mask...

Chris




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Re: I can;t see my photos

[mike wilson]

Mark Roberts wrote:


John Sessoms wrote:



From: "William Robb"


From: "Bob Sullivan"

The date back was an option on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p.  It cost about $45
new.  Regards,  Bob S.

Nowadays that's a pretty cheap date.


Between reading Bob's response and yours, I remembered someone mentioned 
the back with the buttons on my PZ-1p was an optional accessory. I 
checked Pentax's support literature download site, and sure enough, 
there it is under Miscellaneous Accessories.


I finally figured it's the "Data Back Fd", and saved the PDF file.

I went back through the PZ-1p manual again, but there appears to be no 
mention of the Data Back as an available accessory, even though it's 
shown in some of the illustrations.



I think the date back was standard on the PZ-1p. I know mine had it
and I know I didn't ask for it or pay extra for it. At the time, all
the B&H ads, etc. listed it as the "PZ-1p QD" (for "quartz date")

I've never seen a 1p without the date feature.


(P)Z1 had a date back and intervalometer as standard.  p, not.

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Re: I can;t see my photos

[mike wilson]

John Sessoms wrote:

From: "Dario Bonazza"


John Sessoms wrote:

> At this point, I don't know if I'll bother, since someone also 
wrote that > the PZ-1p is NOT the model that puts the date in between 
the frames, that > it puts the date in the image.

>
> But I do appreciate all the help.
>
> I wonder why Pentax didn't include information about it in the manual?



Because the date back was optional and not standard equipment. Some 
models were factory-equipped with a date back in the Japanese home 
marklet only.


Dario 



I understand that, but shouldn't the data back at least have been 
mentioned in the PZ-1p manual on page 111 with the other accessories?


I am suprised at your apparent lack of familiarity with camera manuals. 
 Usefulness is, emphatically, not one of their design features.




And how hard would it have been to include a notation "shown with 
optional Data Back Fd" on the pages where it's in the illustrations?


I bet I'm not the only one driven to distraction trying to figure it 
out. I'm just lucky I have you guys to explain it.


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Re: I can;t see my photos

[Mark Roberts]

John Sessoms wrote:

>From: "William Robb"
>> From: "Bob Sullivan"
>> 
>> The date back was an option on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p.  It cost about $45
>> new.  Regards,  Bob S.
>> 
>> Nowadays that's a pretty cheap date.
>
>Between reading Bob's response and yours, I remembered someone mentioned 
>the back with the buttons on my PZ-1p was an optional accessory. I 
>checked Pentax's support literature download site, and sure enough, 
>there it is under Miscellaneous Accessories.
>
>I finally figured it's the "Data Back Fd", and saved the PDF file.
>
>I went back through the PZ-1p manual again, but there appears to be no 
>mention of the Data Back as an available accessory, even though it's 
>shown in some of the illustrations.

I think the date back was standard on the PZ-1p. I know mine had it
and I know I didn't ask for it or pay extra for it. At the time, all
the B&H ads, etc. listed it as the "PZ-1p QD" (for "quartz date")

I've never seen a 1p without the date feature.


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Re: I can;t see my photos

[John Sessoms]

From: "Dario Bonazza"

John Sessoms wrote:

> At this point, I don't know if I'll bother, since someone also wrote that 
> the PZ-1p is NOT the model that puts the date in between the frames, that 
> it puts the date in the image.

>
> But I do appreciate all the help.
>
> I wonder why Pentax didn't include information about it in the manual?


Because the date back was optional and not standard equipment. Some models 
were factory-equipped with a date back in the Japanese home marklet only.


Dario 


I understand that, but shouldn't the data back at least have been 
mentioned in the PZ-1p manual on page 111 with the other accessories?


And how hard would it have been to include a notation "shown with 
optional Data Back Fd" on the pages where it's in the illustrations?


I bet I'm not the only one driven to distraction trying to figure it 
out. I'm just lucky I have you guys to explain it.


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Re: I can;t see my photos

[John Sessoms]

From: "William Robb"

From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: I can;t see my photos


The date back was an option on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p.  It cost about $45
new.  Regards,  Bob S.


Nowadays that's a pretty cheap date.


Between reading Bob's response and yours, I remembered someone mentioned 
the back with the buttons on my PZ-1p was an optional accessory. I 
checked Pentax's support literature download site, and sure enough, 
there it is under Miscellaneous Accessories.


I finally figured it's the "Data Back Fd", and saved the PDF file.

I went back through the PZ-1p manual again, but there appears to be no 
mention of the Data Back as an available accessory, even though it's 
shown in some of the illustrations.


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Re: I can;t see my photos

[Dario Bonazza]

John Sessoms wrote:

At this point, I don't know if I'll bother, since someone also wrote that 
the PZ-1p is NOT the model that puts the date in between the frames, that 
it puts the date in the image.


But I do appreciate all the help.

I wonder why Pentax didn't include information about it in the manual?


Because the date back was optional and not standard equipment. Some models 
were factory-equipped with a date back in the Japanese home marklet only.


Dario 



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Re: I can;t see my photos

[John Sessoms]

From: Bob Sullivan

Did you change the dime sized battery in the back itself???   Bob S.


No, I hadn't seen mention that there is a battery in the back before I 
posted. After seeing that, I looked and found the little screw next to 
the word "battery". I know where it is now.


At this point, I don't know if I'll bother, since someone also wrote 
that the PZ-1p is NOT the model that puts the date in between the 
frames, that it puts the date in the image.


But I do appreciate all the help.

I wonder why Pentax didn't include information about it in the manual?



On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: gldnbearz

>>
>> Looking at the back of my Zx-5n, the LCD buttons read Date, select, &
>> adjust. ?Sets the date if you wanted to imprint the film. ?I tried it
>> once and turned it off. ?I just pressed the Date button and it
>> actually showed the correct date! ?Time was off by about 15 mins, but
>> the camera itself isn't loaded with batteries. ?I suspect if you press
>> your Mode button, something might happen.
>>
>> - Pat

>
> I've tried it with the camera switched to Off, User, & On. Nothing happens.
>
> I replaced the battery and tried it again, still nothing happens.
>
> The three buttons on the back of the PZ-1p are marked Mode, Select & Adjust.
>


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Re: I can;t see my photos

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"

Subject: Re: I can;t see my photos


The date back was an option on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p.  It cost about $45
new.  Regards,  Bob S.


Nowadays that's a pretty cheap date.

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Re: I can;t see my photos

[Bob Sullivan]

Did you change the dime sized battery in the back itself???   Bob S.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: gldnbearz
>>
>> Looking at the back of my Zx-5n, the LCD buttons read Date, select, &
>> adjust.  Sets the date if you wanted to imprint the film.  I tried it
>> once and turned it off.  I just pressed the Date button and it
>> actually showed the correct date!  Time was off by about 15 mins, but
>> the camera itself isn't loaded with batteries.  I suspect if you press
>> your Mode button, something might happen.
>>
>> - Pat
>
> I've tried it with the camera switched to Off, User, & On. Nothing happens.
>
> I replaced the battery and tried it again, still nothing happens.
>
> The three buttons on the back of the PZ-1p are marked Mode, Select & Adjust.
>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM, John Sessoms 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > But, while we're on the subject of the PZ-1, there's also some kind of
>>> > little LCD display on the back of my PZ-1p with buttons for "Mode,
>>> > Select &
>>> > Adjust".
>>> >
>>> > They're shown in several of the illustrations for other functions, but
>>> > there's nothing about them in any of the instructions. You can see them
>>> > on
>>> > p11, illustration #1 & #3 for "ADJUSTING THE VIEWFINDER DIOPTER" ... a
>>> > little horizontal window in the back with three buttons slanted to the
>>> > right
>>> > underneath it. They're right above the panorama switch.
>>> >
>>> > I'm guessing that's something to do with imprinting date & time on
>>> > film?
>>> >
>>> > I don't think it's ever worked on mine. Is there a separate battery
>>> > somewhere that powers it? Something in one of the Pentax functions to
>>> > turn
>>> > it on/off?
>>> >
>>> > Or is it something Pentax put there but never made operational?
>>> >
>>> > I remember reading somewhere Pentax was supposed to have really good
>>> > date/time imprinting functions because they printed between the frames
>>> > and
>>> > not in the image.
>
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Re: I can;t see my photos

[John Sessoms]

From: gldnbearz

Looking at the back of my Zx-5n, the LCD buttons read Date, select, &
adjust.  Sets the date if you wanted to imprint the film.  I tried it
once and turned it off.  I just pressed the Date button and it
actually showed the correct date!  Time was off by about 15 mins, but
the camera itself isn't loaded with batteries.  I suspect if you press
your Mode button, something might happen.

- Pat


I've tried it with the camera switched to Off, User, & On. Nothing happens.

I replaced the battery and tried it again, still nothing happens.

The three buttons on the back of the PZ-1p are marked Mode, Select & Adjust.



On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:


> But, while we're on the subject of the PZ-1, there's also some kind of
> little LCD display on the back of my PZ-1p with buttons for "Mode, Select &
> Adjust".
>
> They're shown in several of the illustrations for other functions, but
> there's nothing about them in any of the instructions. You can see them on
> p11, illustration #1 & #3 for "ADJUSTING THE VIEWFINDER DIOPTER" ... a
> little horizontal window in the back with three buttons slanted to the right
> underneath it. They're right above the panorama switch.
>
> I'm guessing that's something to do with imprinting date & time on film?
>
> I don't think it's ever worked on mine. Is there a separate battery
> somewhere that powers it? Something in one of the Pentax functions to turn
> it on/off?
>
> Or is it something Pentax put there but never made operational?
>
> I remember reading somewhere Pentax was supposed to have really good
> date/time imprinting functions because they printed between the frames and
> not in the image.



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Re: I can;t see my photos

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The date back was an option on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p.  It cost about $45
new.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:46 -0500, "David J Brooks" 
> wrote:
>> Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
>> camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.
>>
>> Any ideas.
>>
>
>
>
> Bugger.
>
> I've just bought one of these.
>
> Wonder if mine's broken too?
>
>
> Cheers
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> Brian
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Re: I can;t see my photos

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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:46 -0500, "David J Brooks" 
wrote:
> Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
> camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.
> 
> Any ideas.
> 



Bugger.

I've just bought one of these.

Wonder if mine's broken too?


Cheers

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Re: I can;t see my photos

[Bob Sullivan]

John,
There is a battery in the back to power the date-time lcd you are looking at.
The PZ-1 prints the date/time on the frame itself, not between
exposures like the MZ-S.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: David J Brooks
>>
>> Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
>> camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.
>>
>> Any ideas.
>
> Long tiring day yesterday, I'm kind of slow on the uptake this morning. Had
> to get my PZ-1p out of the bag before I figured it out.
>
> I was thinking about the little window that lets you see the type of film
> canister loaded [Provia 100F/36] in it.
>
> But, while we're on the subject of the PZ-1, there's also some kind of
> little LCD display on the back of my PZ-1p with buttons for "Mode, Select &
> Adjust".
>
> They're shown in several of the illustrations for other functions, but
> there's nothing about them in any of the instructions. You can see them on
> p11, illustration #1 & #3 for "ADJUSTING THE VIEWFINDER DIOPTER" ... a
> little horizontal window in the back with three buttons slanted to the right
> underneath it. They're right above the panorama switch.
>
> I'm guessing that's something to do with imprinting date & time on film?
>
> I don't think it's ever worked on mine. Is there a separate battery
> somewhere that powers it? Something in one of the Pentax functions to turn
> it on/off?
>
> Or is it something Pentax put there but never made operational?
>
> I remember reading somewhere Pentax was supposed to have really good
> date/time imprinting functions because they printed between the frames and
> not in the image.
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Re: I can;t see my photos

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "John Sessoms" 

Subject: RE: I can;t see my photos



From: David J Brooks

Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.

Any ideas.


Long tiring day yesterday, I'm kind of slow on the uptake this morning. 
Had to get my PZ-1p out of the bag before I figured it out.


I was thinking about the little window that lets you see the type of film 
canister loaded [Provia 100F/36] in it.


But, while we're on the subject of the PZ-1, there's also some kind of 
little LCD display on the back of my PZ-1p with buttons for "Mode, Select 
& Adjust".


They're shown in several of the illustrations for other functions, but 
there's nothing about them in any of the instructions. You can see them on 
p11, illustration #1 & #3 for "ADJUSTING THE VIEWFINDER DIOPTER" ... a 
little horizontal window in the back with three buttons slanted to the 
right underneath it. They're right above the panorama switch.


I'm guessing that's something to do with imprinting date & time on film?


Yep.



I don't think it's ever worked on mine. Is there a separate battery 
somewhere that powers it? Something in one of the Pentax functions to turn 
it on/off?


Yes, IIRC its internal to the camera back.



Or is it something Pentax put there but never made operational?

I remember reading somewhere Pentax was supposed to have really good 
date/time imprinting functions because they printed between the frames and 
not in the image.


On the MZ-S

BTW - On my SF1 I added a really great Pentax data back (interval data back 
F) that was handy for numbering in multiple ways A thru D or E (?) and 
numbers 00 thru 99, also allowed interval shooting.


Those date/time imprinting backs were a step backwards from the data back F, 
could never under stand why it wasn't carried forward.




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Re: I can;t see my photos

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Looking at the back of my Zx-5n, the LCD buttons read Date, select, &
adjust.  Sets the date if you wanted to imprint the film.  I tried it
once and turned it off.  I just pressed the Date button and it
actually showed the correct date!  Time was off by about 15 mins, but
the camera itself isn't loaded with batteries.  I suspect if you press
your Mode button, something might happen.

- Pat

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> But, while we're on the subject of the PZ-1, there's also some kind of
> little LCD display on the back of my PZ-1p with buttons for "Mode, Select &
> Adjust".
>
> They're shown in several of the illustrations for other functions, but
> there's nothing about them in any of the instructions. You can see them on
> p11, illustration #1 & #3 for "ADJUSTING THE VIEWFINDER DIOPTER" ... a
> little horizontal window in the back with three buttons slanted to the right
> underneath it. They're right above the panorama switch.
>
> I'm guessing that's something to do with imprinting date & time on film?
>
> I don't think it's ever worked on mine. Is there a separate battery
> somewhere that powers it? Something in one of the Pentax functions to turn
> it on/off?
>
> Or is it something Pentax put there but never made operational?
>
> I remember reading somewhere Pentax was supposed to have really good
> date/time imprinting functions because they printed between the frames and
> not in the image.
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RE: I can;t see my photos

[John Sessoms]

From: David J Brooks

Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.

Any ideas.


Long tiring day yesterday, I'm kind of slow on the uptake this morning. 
Had to get my PZ-1p out of the bag before I figured it out.


I was thinking about the little window that lets you see the type of 
film canister loaded [Provia 100F/36] in it.


But, while we're on the subject of the PZ-1, there's also some kind of 
little LCD display on the back of my PZ-1p with buttons for "Mode, 
Select & Adjust".


They're shown in several of the illustrations for other functions, but 
there's nothing about them in any of the instructions. You can see them 
on p11, illustration #1 & #3 for "ADJUSTING THE VIEWFINDER DIOPTER" ... 
a little horizontal window in the back with three buttons slanted to the 
right underneath it. They're right above the panorama switch.


I'm guessing that's something to do with imprinting date & time on film?

I don't think it's ever worked on mine. Is there a separate battery 
somewhere that powers it? Something in one of the Pentax functions to 
turn it on/off?


Or is it something Pentax put there but never made operational?

I remember reading somewhere Pentax was supposed to have really good 
date/time imprinting functions because they printed between the frames 
and not in the image.


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Re: I can;t see my photos

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- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 


Subject: I can;t see my photos



Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.

Any ideas.


Probably a defective memory card or did you again forget to take the lens 
cap off?




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Re: I can;t see my photos

[Jack Davis]

Live view must have died. 

Jack

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, David J Brooks  wrote:

> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: I can;t see my photos
> To: "Pentax Discuss" 
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:46 AM
> Took several shots with a PZ-1 on
> Saturday. I look at the back of the
> camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.
> 
> Any ideas.
> 
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Re: I can;t see my photos

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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 22/11/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
>>camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.
>
> You have to open the back of the camera to see the pics.

No that did not work. All i see is silver now.

Dave
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Re: I can;t see my photos

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2009/11/22 William Robb :
>
> Defective film.

was the cartridge marked 'LiveView' at all?

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Re: I can;t see my photos

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- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 
Subject: I can;t see my photos




Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.


Defective film.

William Robb

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Re: I can;t see my photos

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On 22/11/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
>camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.

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Re: I can;t see my photos

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Looks like you need a stronger prescription for your glasses  ;-)  Cheers, 
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Subject: I can;t see my photos



Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.

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Re: I can;t see my photos

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Hah!

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> camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.
>
> Any ideas.
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I can;t see my photos

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Took several shots with a PZ-1 on Saturday. I look at the back of the
camera to see how i did, but all i get is black.

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Re: For sale: my photos ;-)

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Nice job on the site, Boris.  Enjoyed seeing Loving Couple again.  And I've 
never seen One Thousand and 1 Night.  Enjoyed that.  Cheers, Christine


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> Hi!
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> http://boris71.imagekind.com/
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Boris,
Nice pictures, interesting idea on selling some.
Did you get any pictures of Jerusalem with snow on the ground?
That must be a rare event, but perhaps too far away.
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I recall raving about "Loving Couple" when first posted. Especially
nice.
All work well chosen.

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Re: For sale: my photos ;-)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/4/2008 10:17:53 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi!

I've been told  many times that I should start posting my stuff on stock 
web sites. So here  I am:

http://boris71.imagekind.com/

If you would be as kind as to  spend a word, I'd be most grateful. Also - 
any comments on the choice of  images are most welcome.

Cheers!

Boris

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I  hadn't seen Blue & White before. Great photo. Really like it.

Marnie  aka Doe :-)

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Re: For sale: my photos ;-)

[Gonz]

"Loving Couple" is fantastic.

On 2/4/08, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been told many times that I should start posting my stuff on stock
> web sites. So here I am:
>
> http://boris71.imagekind.com/
>
> If you would be as kind as to spend a word, I'd be most grateful. Also -
> any comments on the choice of images are most welcome.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Boris
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