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Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac?
Actually, the newest version does do levels adjustment. Pretty cheap too. On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Photo, which comes packaged with every Mac, does most of that. No levels adjustment, but all the rest that you listed. It seems to be a nice solution for beginners. It has excellent slide show and album creation capability. Paul I've been looking for some photo software for a beginner with very basic needs: Rotate, crop, redeye removal and levels adjustment, etc. I thought Adobe Photoshop Album would be just the ticket - even simpler than Photoshop Elements and it has some photo organization capability (which beginners often need more than anything else). But it's Windows only and my newbie uses a Mac. Any suggestions? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 22/10/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>BTW: At my job doing digital photography and restoration work at the >>photo store, I used Macs exclusively because that's what they had at >>this store. I am quite familiar with using Macs, though not the latest >>version of OS X (whatissit, "calico" or something? ) > >Stick to commercial voice-overs ;- I'll take the work if I can get it! I just bought a large-diaphragm condenser mic and a tube pre-amp so I can start doing recording at home. (And no, I don't always use the silly voice I used for my commercial parody... sometimes I use other silly voices!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:25 AM, keith_w wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 Oct 2005 at 9:10, keith_w wrote: Okay, Godfrey, what's a "noob" client? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob >>> Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Hah! From that dictionary, I found this statement, in definition: "Generally, however, people use 'noob' as an applicable insult for anyone who happens to piss them off. A person will also often use this term to describe people that they feel are beneath them." Uh huh. Now I get it! ;-) In the lexicon of "newbie", I simply used "noob" as a shorthand phonetic equivalent. I first ran into the term "newbie" in the context of motorcycling ... a contraction of "new biker". Nothing perjorative or disparaging intended. Godfrey Oh, I know you didn't... As is usual when one thinks they've come up with a new contraction or a made-up word, they find out almost invariably that someone else has used it before, somewhere! 'Newby' I knew about, 'noob' was new to me. Then, when Rob came up with that urban dictionary entry, with a dozen meanings or usages of "noob", I thought the above quote was funny. Nothing more esoteric than that, my friend. Relax. Take the smiley to heart... keith
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On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:25 AM, keith_w wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 Oct 2005 at 9:10, keith_w wrote: Okay, Godfrey, what's a "noob" client? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Hah! From that dictionary, I found this statement, in definition: "Generally, however, people use 'noob' as an applicable insult for anyone who happens to piss them off. A person will also often use this term to describe people that they feel are beneath them." Uh huh. Now I get it! ;-) In the lexicon of "newbie", I simply used "noob" as a shorthand phonetic equivalent. I first ran into the term "newbie" in the context of motorcycling ... a contraction of "new biker". Nothing perjorative or disparaging intended. Godfrey
Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma
On 10/22/05 11:13 AM, "keith_w" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure, I could use a >> Power Mac, but I don't want a nine fan windtunnel in my bedroom. I would add that my dual G5 is pretty damn quiet. Much quieter than my older G4 was. Now, granted when the fans kick in with heavy processing it does get more noisy, but for 80% of the time, the G5 is much more quiet than the G4 was. -Holly
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On 22/10/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >BTW: At my job doing digital photography and restoration work at the >photo store, I used Macs exclusively because that's what they had at >this store. I am quite familiar with using Macs, though not the latest >version of OS X (whatissit, "calico" or something? ) Stick to commercial voice-overs ;- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 22/10/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >To be fair to iPhoto, the guy is totally computer illiterate, and really >doesn't want to know this stuff, Hmmm, sounds familiar !! Okay, you win. Hey, I don't even use it, I find it too cumbersome. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 Oct 2005 at 9:10, keith_w wrote: Okay, Godfrey, what's a "noob" client? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Hah! From that dictionary, I found this statement, in definition: "Generally, however, people use 'noob' as an applicable insult for anyone who happens to piss them off. A person will also often use this term to describe people that they feel are beneath them." Uh huh. Now I get it! ;-) keith
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On 22 Oct 2005 at 9:10, keith_w wrote: > Okay, Godfrey, what's a "noob" client? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma
Bertil Holmberg wrote: This is exactly what I meant when I said iPhoto is a memory hog. It takes my 1GHz 1GB PB a minut of hard disk activety to recover after a photo editing session with iPhoto and PS. And that's a long time to wait when you just want to go back to your email. Sure, I could use a Power Mac, but I don't want a nine fan windtunnel in my bedroom. I have a Power Mac and can hardly hear the fan. If I step to the doorway, the sound almost disappears! It's a MDD G4, but just to show you there are some quiet ones out there. I know nothing of the G5s and their noise... keith whaley [...] Bertil
Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: iPhoto works fine. The facility to burn a CD within the application is NOT intended to create a CD for output to a print service ... the Help does not make that clear. It is intended as a way to archive your photos for iPhoto's use, so it retains all of the (rather overly complex) iPhoto database directory structure. The correct way to make a CD to bring to a printer is to select all the photos you want to send and use the Export command to write them to a folder. Then you exit iPhoto, stick in a blank CD ... The Finder mounts a virtual disk image, you drag your folder to it and say burn. A few minutes later, you have a CD which is 100% Mac OS and Windows compatible with a folder full of properly named JPEG image files. That's what you should tell your computer noob clients, and show them how to do it if you can. It will make your life a lot easier. Okay, Godfrey, what's a "noob" client? keith Regards other, low-cost solutions for image editing/management on Mac OS X ... There are quite a few, but all of them are more complex to understand and use. There are several in the shareware/freeware domain, a number of commercial products. Go take a look at http:// www.versiontracker.com/macosx/ and search on "photo", "photo edit", "image catalog" etc. But iPhoto does a lot for the noob, does it well, is easy to use, and costs nothing. It's not a photo enthusiast's tool of choice. Godfrey
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The reason your PowerBook takes so long to complete operations isn't that it's a memory hog. It is because the hard drive in your laptop is slow. iPhoto is a fairly disk-intensive application. Most laptop drives until the very latest series PowerBooks and iBooks are 4200rpm devices with a limited data transfer rate. I replaced the original 10G hard drive in my PowerBook G3/500Mhz, which only has 640M of RAM installed, with a 7200rpm drive ... overall system operations/iPhoto are at least 2x-3x faster now, with the same amount of RAM. BTW, a nine-fan Power Mac G5 DP tower is generally as quiet as or quieter than an iMac or PowerBook when the fan is running. The thermal sensors and airflow management in the G5 tower is amazingly efficient and the fans are virtually silent unless you are pushing the cpu to its limits and it needs to shed a LOT of heat. Graphic Converter is very fast because it does nearly all of its image processing in RAM, very little swapping to the hard drive unless an explicit Save operation is called. It supports Pentax PEF files because it uses the dcraw source library in its implementation, which Apple does not (or uses a subset). But Graphic Converter is far from a "newbie - easy to use - do most things automagically" application, in my opinion. It's the next step after iPhoto for someone who is getting more interested in image editing. Godfrey On Oct 22, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: This is exactly what I meant when I said iPhoto is a memory hog. It takes my 1GHz 1GB PB a minut of hard disk activety to recover after a photo editing session with iPhoto and PS. And that's a long time to wait when you just want to go back to your email. Sure, I could use a Power Mac, but I don't want a nine fan windtunnel in my bedroom. Regrettable, the Pentax RAW software is even slower. It is unusable for all practical purposes. I shudder when I think of the next gen of 8MP+ cameras. Now, a shareware program such as Graphic Converter not only opens Pentax RAW images when Apple can't (or won't), it does so much faster than the Pentax software. Go figure... Bertil I find it adequate for simple photo management. I find it completely doggy on my 1.4gig Powerbook with a gig of RAM if I try to use it to edit photos. It's quicker to launch CS2 once (with the inevitable wait for everything to load) and then double-click on each photo in turn to load it up for editing.
Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma
This is exactly what I meant when I said iPhoto is a memory hog. It takes my 1GHz 1GB PB a minut of hard disk activety to recover after a photo editing session with iPhoto and PS. And that's a long time to wait when you just want to go back to your email. Sure, I could use a Power Mac, but I don't want a nine fan windtunnel in my bedroom. Regrettable, the Pentax RAW software is even slower. It is unusable for all practical purposes. I shudder when I think of the next gen of 8MP+ cameras. Now, a shareware program such as Graphic Converter not only opens Pentax RAW images when Apple can't (or won't), it does so much faster than the Pentax software. Go figure... Bertil I find it adequate for simple photo management. I find it completely doggy on my 1.4gig Powerbook with a gig of RAM if I try to use it to edit photos. It's quicker to launch CS2 once (with the inevitable wait for everything to load) and then double-click on each photo in turn to load it up for editing.
Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma
iPhoto works fine. The facility to burn a CD within the application is NOT intended to create a CD for output to a print service ... the Help does not make that clear. It is intended as a way to archive your photos for iPhoto's use, so it retains all of the (rather overly complex) iPhoto database directory structure. The correct way to make a CD to bring to a printer is to select all the photos you want to send and use the Export command to write them to a folder. Then you exit iPhoto, stick in a blank CD ... The Finder mounts a virtual disk image, you drag your folder to it and say burn. A few minutes later, you have a CD which is 100% Mac OS and Windows compatible with a folder full of properly named JPEG image files. That's what you should tell your computer noob clients, and show them how to do it if you can. It will make your life a lot easier. Regards other, low-cost solutions for image editing/management on Mac OS X ... There are quite a few, but all of them are more complex to understand and use. There are several in the shareware/freeware domain, a number of commercial products. Go take a look at http:// www.versiontracker.com/macosx/ and search on "photo", "photo edit", "image catalog" etc. But iPhoto does a lot for the noob, does it well, is easy to use, and costs nothing. It's not a photo enthusiast's tool of choice. Godfrey
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Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Oct 22, 2005, at 7:41, Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> I think we're both reacting as people who worked in the photofinishing >> business and had to deal with iPhoto CD's brought in by customers. >> Perhaps I am being a bit harsh in my judgment, but surely *someone* >> must make an alternative that runs on Mac? > >This is a problem on the part of the people who make the CDs. iPhoto >has an option to "export" photos, which makes a perfectly reasonable >ISO9000-compliant CD and all that. ISO9000 UUGH! ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On Oct 22, 2005, at 7:41, Mark Roberts wrote: I think we're both reacting as people who worked in the photofinishing business and had to deal with iPhoto CD's brought in by customers. Perhaps I am being a bit harsh in my judgment, but surely *someone* must make an alternative that runs on Mac? This is a problem on the part of the people who make the CDs. iPhoto has an option to "export" photos, which makes a perfectly reasonable ISO9000-compliant CD and all that. BUT - the standard format of an iPhoto library does have the nesting, the multiple folders, and all that. Part of iPhoto's way of managing multiple versions of the photos, thumbnails etc. It can get messy if you start browsing around in the file structure. Perhaps it would be better if Apple made it even simpler - a big button which just says "create cd for bringing to the photofinishers". But of course they won't do that, because they would like you to send 'em to their online photo printing service. (sigh) I find it adequate for simple photo management. I find it completely doggy on my 1.4gig Powerbook with a gig of RAM if I try to use it to edit photos. It's quicker to launch CS2 once (with the inevitable wait for everything to load) and then double-click on each photo in turn to load it up for editing. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org
Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma
> > - Original Message - > From: "Bertil Holmberg" < > Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma > > > > iPhoto is nice but a terrible memory hog, perhaps even worse than > > Photoshop. > > iPhoto > GGHHh > > > William Robb > I'm starting to agree with WW here.LOL) I think i'll stick with PS Elements at the least.(when it arrives and gets installed) Dave
Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: "Tim Sherburne" > iPhoto GGHHh >>> >>> My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to >>> suggest so far. >> >> I guess one man's floor is another man's ceiling. > >Here is what I know about iPhoto. >Take it for the little it is worth. >It puts data too many directories deep into a CD for my comfort. I've seen >it put stuff 5-7 directories off the root. >It changes filenames, seemingly at random. Speaking of changing filenames, here's something I encountered once at the photo store: Customer brought in a CD and requested prints of specific filenames. We couldn't find the filenames he specified, and tried another machine. I don't remember if we started with Mac or PC but we eventually found that browsing the disc on either platform showed different filenames... and that browsing it on out Fuji Frontier yielded yet a *third* different set of file names! (Our Fuji PrintPix kiosk showed the same filenames as the Frontier, not the Mac or the PC.) This wasn't an iPhoto CD, but rather something produced by ACDSee. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 21/10/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>>iPhoto >>>GGHHh >> >>My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to >>suggest so far. > >What do you see as its shortcomings? (I bare in mind that you're both PC >users). I think we're both reacting as people who worked in the photofinishing business and had to deal with iPhoto CD's brought in by customers. Perhaps I am being a bit harsh in my judgment, but surely *someone* must make an alternative that runs on Mac? BTW: At my job doing digital photography and restoration work at the photo store, I used Macs exclusively because that's what they had at this store. I am quite familiar with using Macs, though not the latest version of OS X (whatissit, "calico" or something? ) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac That's true. As I discussed with you once before, it's not a good tool with which to prepare images for sending to a lab. Paul Stenquist; Understatement Man. Sadly for me, the one pro boy clien I have using iPhoto, is so computer retarded that he can't seem to figure out how to bypass iPhoto's CD burning routine. The other day, he sent me 3 CD's of files of house interiors with "cloudy ay" imbedded as the white balance. He was a really good shooter on film. The entire digital process seems to have him totally bamboozled. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: "Cotty" < Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma On 21/10/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: iPhoto GGHHh My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to suggest so far. What do you see as its shortcomings? I've never actually used the program, I just see the results of one photographer sending work to my PC based printer. His CD's are to many directories deep, his files are renamed, and no longer follow the digital camera filename protocol, and there will often be several different files with the same filename buried in different directories. Note that for my purposes, a file is an image file, since that is all I can read off his CDs. To be fair to iPhoto, the guy is totally computer illiterate, and really doesn't want to know this stuff, but even with that in mind, there is still the matter of seven directory deep CD's, which are not stable. William Robb
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Well, that pretty much rules it out then . On Oct 21, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Tim Sherburne wrote: You'll have to wait until we're both sober... :) On 10/21/05 20:28, William Robb wrote: We might talk more when I'm sober (if, I suppose is more accurate). William Robb
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That's true. As I discussed with you once before, it's not a good tool with which to prepare images for sending to a lab. Although anyone with common sense can copy a jpeg image from iphoto to a CD without the trappings of the software. It is fine for a beginner who just wants to make albums and slide shows, while e-mailing an occasional jpeg to a friend. It does a lot of the things it does to simplify tasks like making nice slide shows with music. Paul On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:55 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac iPhoto GGHHh My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to suggest so far. I guess one man's floor is another man's ceiling. Here is what I know about iPhoto. Take it for the little it is worth. It puts data too many directories deep into a CD for my comfort. I've seen it put stuff 5-7 directories off the root. It changes filenames, seemingly at random. It puts image files in multiple directories for no apparent reason, and duplicates filenames in those directories. If you have to cross platform to a Windows system, it is not a pretty sight. William Robb
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On 21/10/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >>iPhoto >>GGHHh > >My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to >suggest so far. What do you see as its shortcomings? (I bare in mind that you're both PC users). Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac
- Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac We might talk more when I'm sober (if, I suppose is more accurate). You'll have to wait until we're both sober... :) I'm GMT -6;00. Will this be possible? William Robb
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You'll have to wait until we're both sober... :) On 10/21/05 20:28, William Robb wrote: > We might talk more when I'm sober (if, I suppose is more accurate). > > William Robb > > >
Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac
- Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac Select the photos or albums you want to move to Windows a use the Export command under the File menu. We might talk more when I'm sober (if, I suppose is more accurate). William Robb
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Well, I'm not out to convince anyone, but I'll take these on... On 10/21/05 19:55, William Robb wrote: > Here is what I know about iPhoto. > Take it for the little it is worth. > It puts data too many directories deep into a CD for my comfort. I've seen > it put stuff 5-7 directories off the root. It does use a rather intense database scheme. I'm not privy to the details, so I don't know why it was developed this way. Speaking with 12 years of experience writing commercial software, I'd store the deltas in a database and keep the originals where they are, a la PSE. > It changes filenames, seemingly at random. Yes, iPhoto's database uses obsure filenames, but then iPhoto's database isn't really for browsing by humans. The photo's filename is preserved as the title in iPhoto. > It puts image files in multiple directories for no apparent reason, and > duplicates filenames in those directories. See above. > If you have to cross platform to a Windows system, it is not a pretty sight. Select the photos or albums you want to move to Windows a use the Export command under the File menu. Tim
Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac
- Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Mac iPhoto GGHHh My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to suggest so far. I guess one man's floor is another man's ceiling. Here is what I know about iPhoto. Take it for the little it is worth. It puts data too many directories deep into a CD for my comfort. I've seen it put stuff 5-7 directories off the root. It changes filenames, seemingly at random. It puts image files in multiple directories for no apparent reason, and duplicates filenames in those directories. If you have to cross platform to a Windows system, it is not a pretty sight. William Robb
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On 10/21/05 18:10, Mark Roberts wrote: > "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> iPhoto >> GGHHh > > My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to > suggest so far. I guess one man's floor is another man's ceiling. I think PSE3 is a viable alternative given your requirements: -Its organizational features relatively thin compared to iPhoto, but they are there: keywords, descriptions, searching capabilities, all layered upon the existing file system. The fact that it doesn't use an arcane database scheme like iPhoto should address William's gripe. - There's way more flexibility with regard to editing: You can have "quick-n-dirty, do-it-for-me" editing, or you can get down with levels, layers, rotations, filters, text, yada yada. - It's not free, but can be found cheap if you shop around: I picked up an OEM license for $36. I use them both: I prefer iPhoto's albums, plug-ins, and app support, but use PSE's editing features and RAW support. I stay way from iPhoto's warts and no problems. Who knows, maybe I'll plunk down the cash for Aperture 2 some day. Tim
Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: "Bertil Holmberg" < > >> iPhoto is nice but a terrible memory hog, perhaps even worse than >> Photoshop. > >iPhoto >GGHHh My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, it's all anyone's been able to suggest so far. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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- Original Message - From: "Bertil Holmberg" < Subject: Re: Beginner's photo software for Ma iPhoto is nice but a terrible memory hog, perhaps even worse than Photoshop. iPhoto GGHHh William Robb
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On Oct 21, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: iPhoto is nice but a terrible memory hog, perhaps even worse than Photoshop. Well, not quite. Opening just iPhoto v5.0.4 and one high resolution JPEG file into edit mode, it consumes 115M of Real RAM and 305M of Virtual RAM. Opening the same file with Photoshop CS9 consumes 95M of Real RAM and 470M of Virtual RAM (Mac OS X v10.4.2 on an iMac G4 10" with 1G Real RAM installed). As you start to edit, Photoshop's memory consumption goes up quickly, iPhoto's doesn't change very much. But Photoshop is much more efficient for any kind of serious operations. I'm far from an iPhoto regular user, but for the very nooob of newbie users it works pretty darn well. At the point where it becomes insufferably slow and inefficient, that class of users is ready for something like Photoshop Elements 3. BTW, what do you guys think about Apple excluding Pentax users from Aperture? I think it's a matter of priorities, visibility and relevancy rather than a plot intended to exclude anyone. Quite a few other cameras were excluded as well. There's a back door, though: since Aperture does include the ability to use DNG files, anything covered by Adobe's DNG Converter is covered too. Godfrey
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Another vote for iPhoto ... It does have brightness and contrast controls, which perform the same function as the Levels dialog in PSE. Godfrey On Oct 21, 2005, at 8:21 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I've been looking for some photo software for a beginner with very basic needs: Rotate, crop, redeye removal and levels adjustment, etc. I thought Adobe Photoshop Album would be just the ticket - even simpler than Photoshop Elements and it has some photo organization capability (which beginners often need more than anything else). But it's Windows only and my newbie uses a Mac. Any suggestions? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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What he said. Besides, it's nothing that a copy of dcraw and a bit of scripting can't fix ;-) -Mat On 10/21/05, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BTW, what do you guys think about Apple excluding Pentax users from > > Aperture? > More likely that Pentax did it by refusing to sign on during the > development process.
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On 10/21/05 9:26, Bertil Holmberg wrote: > BTW, what do you guys think about Apple excluding Pentax users from > Aperture? It's a bummer. Aperture looks like an interesting product. I probably wouldn't buy it simply because the price tag puts it out of my reach. Instead, I'll stick with iPhoto (which doesn't support PEF either) for organization and PSE3 for RAW conversion and editing. t
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On Friday, October 21, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: BTW, what do you guys think about Apple excluding Pentax users from Aperture? More likely that Pentax did it by refusing to sign on during the development process. Bob
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iPhoto is nice but a terrible memory hog, perhaps even worse than Photoshop. BTW, what do you guys think about Apple excluding Pentax users from Aperture? Bertil
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I haven't tried the iPhoto that came with our G5 at home, but I think it does those things. Rick --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been looking for some photo software for a > beginner with very basic > needs: Rotate, crop, redeye removal and levels > adjustment, etc. I > thought Adobe Photoshop Album would be just the > ticket - even simpler > than Photoshop Elements and it has some photo > organization capability > (which beginners often need more than anything > else). But it's Windows > only and my newbie uses a Mac. > Any suggestions? > > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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iPhoto? It's got pretty much exactly that functionality. -Adam Mark Roberts wrote: I've been looking for some photo software for a beginner with very basic needs: Rotate, crop, redeye removal and levels adjustment, etc. I thought Adobe Photoshop Album would be just the ticket - even simpler than Photoshop Elements and it has some photo organization capability (which beginners often need more than anything else). But it's Windows only and my newbie uses a Mac. Any suggestions?
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And if it didn't, you can buy the iLife DVD at any Apple store, or online. -Mat On 10/21/05, Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > iPhoto. Bundled with every Mac for the past few years.
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I Photo, which comes packaged with every Mac, does most of that. No levels adjustment, but all the rest that you listed. It seems to be a nice solution for beginners. It has excellent slide show and album creation capability. Paul > I've been looking for some photo software for a beginner with very basic > needs: Rotate, crop, redeye removal and levels adjustment, etc. I > thought Adobe Photoshop Album would be just the ticket - even simpler > than Photoshop Elements and it has some photo organization capability > (which beginners often need more than anything else). But it's Windows > only and my newbie uses a Mac. > Any suggestions? > > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com >
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iPhoto. Bundled with every Mac for the past few years. t On 10/21/05 8:21, Mark Roberts wrote: > I've been looking for some photo software for a beginner with very basic > needs: Rotate, crop, redeye removal and levels adjustment, etc. I > thought Adobe Photoshop Album would be just the ticket - even simpler > than Photoshop Elements and it has some photo organization capability > (which beginners often need more than anything else). But it's Windows > only and my newbie uses a Mac. > Any suggestions? > >
Beginner's photo software for Mac?
I've been looking for some photo software for a beginner with very basic needs: Rotate, crop, redeye removal and levels adjustment, etc. I thought Adobe Photoshop Album would be just the ticket - even simpler than Photoshop Elements and it has some photo organization capability (which beginners often need more than anything else). But it's Windows only and my newbie uses a Mac. Any suggestions? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Photo Software
Sorry to be so late in responding. Many have praised Picture Window Pro. Do a search. About $100. Jeff Geilenkirchen wrote: I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone know where to get PS copy at a reduced price?
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On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 14:45, danilo wrote: > Alle 17:32, mercoledì 31 marzo 2004, Frits Wüthrich ha scritto: > > I don't like the GIMP very much. My experience is not based on the > > version 2 release though, but on older versions, and only on Linux. > > 16 bit per colour is not supported, no colour management, awkward user > > interface, although one might get used to it, a lot of tools don't have > > a preview for the effects > > Thank you, I really want to know what a PhotoShop user miss in The GIMP, you > have pointed out three non-present features (sry, awkward UI isn't a missing > features for me ;) ). > > I'm going to check out if you are right or if, meanwhile, they have > implemented them... > > I'll be back with my silly posts > > > ciao > Danilo. No silly post, it is a good question. And you are correct, the UI is a personal thing, perhaps people who always used the GIMP love it and hate Photoshop etc. -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Alle 17:32, mercoledì 31 marzo 2004, Frits Wüthrich ha scritto: > I don't like the GIMP very much. My experience is not based on the > version 2 release though, but on older versions, and only on Linux. > 16 bit per colour is not supported, no colour management, awkward user > interface, although one might get used to it, a lot of tools don't have > a preview for the effects Thank you, I really want to know what a PhotoShop user miss in The GIMP, you have pointed out three non-present features (sry, awkward UI isn't a missing features for me ;) ). I'm going to check out if you are right or if, meanwhile, they have implemented them... I'll be back with my silly posts ciao Danilo. ---
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I don't like the GIMP very much. My experience is not based on the version 2 release though, but on older versions, and only on Linux. 16 bit per colour is not supported, no colour management, awkward user interface, although one might get used to it, a lot of tools don't have a preview for the effects On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 20:01, danilo wrote: > Hi Jeff (and all of you), > have you then tryied The GIMP? > or did you choose some other software? > If you've choosed the GIMP, do you like it? Is it a valid substitute of PS > (for what you need)? > > I use it since I do not have PS (actually I do not have windows too) and I can > do everything I need in a photo-editing session, I'd like to hear your > comments as a Photoshop user... > > Anyone else is invited too > > ciao > Danilo > > > Alle 16:12, giovedì 25 marzo 2004, Jeff Geilenkirchen ha scritto: > > Hello everyone! > > > > I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to > > be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting > > software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone > > know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? > > > > Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > Jeff > > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: OT what is that makes the CD not usable ?- was : Photo Software
>>I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to >>be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ >> Adobe used to replace damaged or lost Photoshop CD's for a small fee, I think it was ten dollars. They required a simple affidavit of loss, and of course they had me on record as the registered owner. I used this service a couple of years ago and got a brand new CD. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
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Many thanks for all the replies. I have a good plan on how to proceed now. Jeff -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:47 AM To: Jeff Geilenkirchen Subject: Re: Photo Software Hi! Jeff, if you have valid license and bad CD of an old PS version, perhaps it is worth calling the Adobe and without telling the CD is bad you might want to request an update for the latest PS version. I suppose you would get it for a low price as it is an upgrade. And of course, then you would receive a working CD... HTH. Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OT what is that makes the CD not usable ?- was : Photo Software
- Original Message - From: "Anand DHUPKAR" Subject: OT what is that makes the CD not usable ?- was : Photo Software > A quick question - what is that makes the CD not usable ? > Can we prevent it ? > How should we store the CDs? Protect from heat and bright sunlight. Be careful not to scratch either the read side or the label side. Keep them away from solvents and their fumes. All of the above can damage the disc. I have used warm water and dish detergent successfully to clean a CD that was dirty enough to not read properly, and have also used Windex for the same purpose. Make back ups and update them periodically, as CD's can, all on their own, render themselves unusable. William Robb
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A very good program is Micrografx Picture Publisher. Corell bought it and killed it. But you might be able to find a version 7 or 8. It can do allmost anything Photoshop does - and more (you can reverse anything, even after saving a file). All the best Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jeff Geilenkirchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. marts 2004 17:13 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Photo Software Hello everyone! I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) Thank you for your time, Jeff
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Which version of photoshop? if you have your serial number, yuo can still install from anyone's CD its not a CDkey like Microsoft products -Original Message- From: Jeff Geilenkirchen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 25, 2004 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Photo Software Hello everyone! I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) Thank you for your time, Jeff
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My first suggestion is to check with Adobe and see if they will not replace the CD if you send in the bad one. Of course that presupposes you have an original CD. If it is an older version they allow a huge discount on upgrades. -- Jeff Geilenkirchen wrote: Hello everyone! I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) Thank you for your time, Jeff -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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There is a Photoshop mailing list that has a > number of very knowledgeable people on it. It's a bit over moderated but > otherwise friendly. > > Butch Understatement there Butch. A number of my replies have been bounced and some questions seem to be rejected by the list moms. Not enough words like "Photo" or "Shop" in the body of the message i quess.:-) Dave
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Hi Jeff; If you are running Photoshop CS there seems to be some glitches in the system. If you haven't already, try a complete re-install instead of the standard. If it's a problem of the CD being physically bad try contacting Adobe help. CS has to be activated by registration, so if you have a legal copy and never registered you need to register it. If you're running a bootleg copy you're SOOL. There is a Photoshop mailing list that has a number of very knowledgeable people on it. It's a bit over moderated but otherwise friendly. Their address is: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] but don't expect help if the copy is bootleg. If you need to buy and are or know someone who is a student there are deals on academic versions of Photoshop that are perfectly legal to buy/run. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
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You'll find in The GIMP http://www.gimp.org A great powerfull image editor program If you need to edit photos it's ok, you probably won't miss Photoshop at all (however you'll need a little initial time to find it's great number of utitlities) It's Free Software, i.e. you can download it and use it, even for commercial use, and you do not need to pay a buck for it . Two days ago they have released the last stable version ( the 2.0 !!, it has been in unstable-status for three years long) so you'll probably need to look again in the next few days, as they are going to port all the old software to work with the new version in the next days. There are also a lot of resources on how to use it. one of the most complete is Grokking the GIMP: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ (don't fear the work BOOK, it is on line in html, free access granted for everyone out there. Still you can buy a printed version, your choise) Try it out, and let us know. BTW (IIRC) it can use even photoshop filter, and there is also a program , dcraw, http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ that converts RAW photo (from various manufacturer) into TIFF/jpeg that can work inside GIMP (you should really read more on the links I gave about this) Once you'll know it, you really won't miss photoshop, instead you'll become to ask WHY so much person still use those expeeensive software (PS) for editing photos. There is also a version used in film editing (it was used in a lot of films e.g. Scooby-Doo, and other i can't remember) and it's called Film-Gimp (formerly known as Gimp-Hollywood) (sry, you must search with google for this one ;) ) ciao Danilo (no, I am not involved at all in The GIMP project. I'm only a very satisfied user)
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There is a pirate offering both Microsoft and Adobe CD's on the Web. I understand they work just fine, cost is $50-$80 USD, comes from St. Petersberg Russia.> If ever you're in South-east Asia, you can pick up practically anything for about $5. From what I've heard, most are OK and some just have little bugs, such as poor uninstallation. There is a massive crack-down currently underway, but whenever a shop or stall is closed down it just reopens somewhere else or someone else fills the gap. If you do try them, expect no support from the developers and the possibility (although extremely remote) of a hefty fine if caught using it. Plus this is actually theft - whether you think that stealing from Microsoft is fair enough considering their pretty nasty business practices is your call! Matt
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There is a pirate offering both Microsoft and Adobe CD's on the Web. I understand they work just fine, cost is $50-$80 USD, comes from St. Petersberg Russia.> Hello everyone! > >I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to >be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ > >Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting >software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone >know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? > >Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) > >Thank you for your time, > >Jeff > > >
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Hi Jeff I know you can download Paintshop Pro for a trial period of (I think) 60 days. I think some others (Rob?) might have recommended this software as well. It's available at http://www.jasc.com/products/paintshoppro but I think it's quite a large download- might be a bit tricky if you're on dial-up. It seems pretty user-friendly, but as digital is a bit out of my price range so far I haven't tied too much so I'm probably not the best judge! It's certainly quite an established product. Cheers Matt The copy I have is pretty old. Considering the advancement of digital photo processing I figured there had to be something out there someone knew about which could handle the same basic stuff that PhotoShop did at a more reasonable price.
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Good points Matt! The copy I have is pretty old. Considering the advancement of digital photo processing I figured there had to be something out there someone knew about which could handle the same basic stuff that PhotoShop did at a more reasonable price. J -Original Message- From: Matt Giess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photo Software Hi Jeff > I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to > be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ you should be able to approach the publishers of the software for a replacement CD at a nominal cost - the massive cost of the software is for the license to use it, not for the medium it is transferred to you in. As an example, I bought my girlfriend 'The Sims', a popular computer game, but the CD was badly scratched by a dodgy CD drive. We contacted the manufacturer, and received a replacement CD for £7.50 ($12 or so) which just covers the costs of actually sending us a new CD, not the cost of the licence. Of course, this assumes that you actually hold a licence and you have a version of PhotoShop that is still supported - I'm not sure what will happen if you have an older version. I'm pretty sure that copyright law allows you to burn a back-up CD for your own use, if you manage to get a replacement it may be worth doing so and storing the original well out of harm's way - as both of us have found out to our cost, CDs are not indestructible! Hope this helps Matt
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on 25.03.04 17:12, Jeff Geilenkirchen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting > software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone > know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? > > Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) > > Thank you for your time, Try Photoline 32. It was once the best photo editor for Atari 16/32 bit computers (also known as Cranach studio, later as Photoline), it has many useful features, can use layers and some Photoshop plug-ins and now is available for Mac and Windows as a 30-days demo at www.pl32.com -- Best Regards Sylwek
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Hi Jeff I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ you should be able to approach the publishers of the software for a replacement CD at a nominal cost - the massive cost of the software is for the license to use it, not for the medium it is transferred to you in. As an example, I bought my girlfriend 'The Sims', a popular computer game, but the CD was badly scratched by a dodgy CD drive. We contacted the manufacturer, and received a replacement CD for £7.50 ($12 or so) which just covers the costs of actually sending us a new CD, not the cost of the licence. Of course, this assumes that you actually hold a licence and you have a version of PhotoShop that is still supported - I'm not sure what will happen if you have an older version. I'm pretty sure that copyright law allows you to burn a back-up CD for your own use, if you manage to get a replacement it may be worth doing so and storing the original well out of harm's way - as both of us have found out to our cost, CDs are not indestructible! Hope this helps Matt
RE: Photo Software
What about Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop Elements? Much cheaper. I far prefer PSP to Photoshop anyway. The Pentax RAW convertor in Photoshop CS is the best out there at the moment though if you don't want to compromise... > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 March 2004 16:13 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Photo Software > > > Hello everyone! > > I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop > CD appears to > be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ > > Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical > photoediting software as a replacement to PS since it's so > expensive? Or would anyone know where to get PS copy at a > reduced price? > > Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) > > Thank you for your time, > > Jeff > >
Photo Software
Hello everyone! I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) Thank you for your time, Jeff
Photo Software Links
FYI The Open Directory has a list of Image Management Software at http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Graphics/Software/Image_Cataloguing/ and Image Editing Software at http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Graphics/Image_Editing/ and Panarama Software at http://www.dmoz.org/Arts/Photography/Panoramic/Cameras_and_Software/ For Macs see http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Shareware/Macintosh/Graphics/ Pete - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
