Re: 645D Again
2009/9/22 Jaume Lahuerta : > > I understood some irony in Miserere's words...sometimes it seems that they > don't bother to convert the currency so a camera that in the US costs 1000$ > in Europe goes for 1000EUR, whatever the rate is. > > Jaume Quite right, Jaume, there was plenty of irony in my post :-) My quick thoughts on the 645D: They should have scrapped direct backwards compatibility with legacy glass (but provide a fully-functional adapter) and created a DSLR-sized and shaped camera with the (rumoured) 36x48mm sensor. The Leica S2 is a bit smaller than a Nikon D700--if Leica can do it, so can Pentax. Create something new, exciting, and affordable (within the segment), that's what I wish Pentax would have done. Instead, they're just sticking a cropped sensor in a 645 body, keeping the same registration distance, and repeating the whole APS-C vs full-frame silliness. Unless all those mock-ups they've been showing lately are an elaborate ploy to delude us. My 2 cents (or 1.6p). --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 02:07:04PM -0400, John Sessoms scripsit: > From: "John Celio" >>> But the big question in my mind is how long do we have to wait for >>> the 67D? >> >> Sadly, I think the answer is "forever." >> >> I shoulda kept my 67. :( > > It was really a tongue in cheek question, but that's the same thing > Pentax was saying about the 645D for a while ... so, who knows? > > If they do, and I can afford it, and can use it, I might buy it. Moore's Law doesn't apply if you have to keep the chip some fixed physical size. So, baring someone figuring out a better way to make camera sensors (which is certainly possible) the prices for sensors in that size class are going to stay up in "gasp, wheeze" territory. RED lists their 56mmx42mm "645" sensor at 43 kUSD, for example. The odds of it being worthwhile to produce a 645 *and* a 67 digital camera from Pentax's POV don't strike me as all that high. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
From: "John Celio" But the big question in my mind is how long do we have to wait for the > 67D? Sadly, I think the answer is "forever." I shoulda kept my 67. :( It was really a tongue in cheek question, but that's the same thing Pentax was saying about the 645D for a while ... so, who knows? If they do, and I can afford it, and can use it, I might buy it. What was the latest unofficial word from Pentax? Something about staying competitive responding to the demands of changing markets? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
But the big question in my mind is how long do we have to wait for the 67D? Sadly, I think the answer is "forever." I shoulda kept my 67. :( John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
Yes, pricing in Europe seems a bit strange. A 900 Pound lens in the UK is often 900 dollars in the US, and 900 Euros. There is a real difference in price on the street. I expect lots of this in Japan with small retailers, but not Europe. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: > - Mensaje original > >> De: John Sessoms >> >>> From: Miserere >> > >> > So they're aiming for ?5-6,000 release price? At the current >> > photographic exchange rate, that should be around...$5-6,000 :-) >> > I will soil my trousers if it's released at that price. >> > >> > And yes, I'll make a PESO of the incident. >> >> The currency symbol doesn't come through. >> >> If it's 5-6000 "pounds" (Great Britain), I make that $8-10,000 US dollars. If >> it's 5-6000 Euro, I make it $7,500 - $9,000 US dollars >> >> ... using an internet currency converter. >> > > I understood some irony in Miserere's words...sometimes it seems that they > don't bother to convert the currency so a camera that in the US costs 1000$ > in Europe goes for 1000EUR, whatever the rate is. > > Jaume > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
- Mensaje original > De: John Sessoms > >> From: Miserere > > > > So they're aiming for ?5-6,000 release price? At the current > > photographic exchange rate, that should be around...$5-6,000 :-) > > I will soil my trousers if it's released at that price. > > > > And yes, I'll make a PESO of the incident. > > The currency symbol doesn't come through. > > If it's 5-6000 "pounds" (Great Britain), I make that $8-10,000 US dollars. If > it's 5-6000 Euro, I make it $7,500 - $9,000 US dollars > > ... using an internet currency converter. > I understood some irony in Miserere's words...sometimes it seems that they don't bother to convert the currency so a camera that in the US costs 1000$ in Europe goes for 1000EUR, whatever the rate is. Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
From: Miserere 2009/9/21 Charles Robinson : > > Nice. ?"... Neil Bunnell, president of Pentax Imaging" > > Neil? > > ?-Charles > > -- > Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com > Minneapolis, MN > http://charles.robinsontwins.org > http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson Yeah, really, how professional... These guys got the name right: http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3i0d52172227325f2838abf75dfaea4790 So they're aiming for ?5-6,000 release price? At the current photographic exchange rate, that should be around...$5-6,000 :-) I will soil my trousers if it's released at that price. And yes, I'll make a PESO of the incident. The currency symbol doesn't come through. If it's 5-6000 "pounds" (Great Britain), I make that $8-10,000 US dollars. If it's 5-6000 Euro, I make it $7,500 - $9,000 US dollars ... using an internet currency converter. Ten thousand USD would be affordable if you can amortize the cost as a business expense. Either way, the prices still look better than Mamiya's offerings. It's better than the price for their 28Mpx model ($15K at B&H) and WAY better than their 33Mpx model (20K at B&H). That puts it almost down in the range to compete with Canon's EOS-1Ds Mark III (21Mpx & $6K at B&H). Have any of the 645D specs been firmed up for sure? Especially sensor size and Mpx? But the big question in my mind is how long do we have to wait for the 67D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: 645D Again
> > > >These guys got the name right: > > > >http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3 > i0d5217222 > >7325f2838abf75dfaea4790 > > > >So they're aiming for £5-6,000 release price? At the current > >photographic exchange rate, that should be around...$5-6,000 :-) > > > >I will soil my trousers if it's released at that price. > > Your trousers are probably safe. They pentax guys in NYC last > week said they expect it to be 10-11 thousand USD. Still a > bargain compared to the competition but more than the average > punter will spend... You could use the money as a deposit on a Leica S2. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
Miserere wrote: > >These guys got the name right: > >http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3i0d52172227325f2838abf75dfaea4790 > >So they're aiming for £5-6,000 release price? At the current >photographic exchange rate, that should be around...$5-6,000 :-) > >I will soil my trousers if it's released at that price. Your trousers are probably safe. They pentax guys in NYC last week said they expect it to be 10-11 thousand USD. Still a bargain compared to the competition but more than the average punter will spend... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
2009/9/21 Charles Robinson : > > Nice. "... Neil Bunnell, president of Pentax Imaging" > > Neil? > > -Charles > > -- > Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com > Minneapolis, MN > http://charles.robinsontwins.org > http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson Yeah, really, how professional... These guys got the name right: http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3i0d52172227325f2838abf75dfaea4790 So they're aiming for £5-6,000 release price? At the current photographic exchange rate, that should be around...$5-6,000 :-) I will soil my trousers if it's released at that price. And yes, I'll make a PESO of the incident. (Commence puns.) --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 645D Again
On Sep 21, 2009, at 14:18, Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=868986 Nice. "... Neil Bunnell, president of Pentax Imaging" Neil? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
