Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread Ed via PLUG-discuss 
Michael,  AAA does a good job of tracking gas prices  -
https://gasprices.aaa.com/

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a 
> reply of my own.  It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration Biden 
> stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on government 
> land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest.  If he hadn't done this, 
> gas would be cheaper.  Besides, there is more harm done to the environment 
> when oil comes from the middle east.  Ships have to burn more oil to bring it 
> here.  Also pipelines are a more efficient way to move oil.  So Biden did 
> have a role to play in the current price of gas.
>
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't email 
> me directly again.
>
> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
>
> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I 
> couldn't resist):
> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is just 
> opposite of Greg's.
>
> https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
> The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the NACS 
> magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell.
> The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices climbing a 
> mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 
> 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil production to offset when 
> foreign sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down 
> again.
>
> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down 
> domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely affected 
> the price of fuel in America.
> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer 
> sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on 
> foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America otherwise.  
> I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and senate made a mess 
> of this country playing politics and I don't have a ton of faith in their 
> leadership.  Only 2 years until it gets really ugly again.
>
> JD
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.
>>
>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
>> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
>>
>> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Lets go Brandon!
>>
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Re: PLUG and Politics

2022-03-18 Thread Ed via PLUG-discuss 
+1

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 6:36 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
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> This is a place for discussing Linux and subjects surrounding Linux.
> This is not the proper place for general political discussions.
> No matter where you fall politically, you are going to offend around 1/2
> the people on this mailing list.
>
> Please take the Political discussions some place else where they are
> more appropriate.
>
> Brian Cluff
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PLUG and Politics

2022-03-18 Thread Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss 
This is a place for discussing Linux and subjects surrounding Linux.  
This is not the proper place for general political discussions.
No matter where you fall politically, you are going to offend around 1/2 
the people on this mailing list.


Please take the Political discussions some place else where they are 
more appropriate.


Brian Cluff
Phoenix Linux Users Group

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

2022-03-18 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
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music for coders to relax...

2022-03-18 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
Tycho - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)


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Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream] --->>>> TGIF!!

2022-03-18 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream]


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Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread Jim via PLUG-discuss 
After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a 
reply of my own.  It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration 
Biden stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on 
government land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest.  If he 
hadn't done this, gas would be cheaper.  Besides, there is more harm 
done to the environment when oil comes from the middle east.  Ships have 
to burn more oil to bring it here.  Also pipelines are a more efficient 
way to move oil.  So Biden did have a role to play in the current price 
of gas.



Have a nice day.

On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. 
Don't email me directly again.


On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
Show them you get your news from only one side without telling 
them... (I couldn't resist):

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which 
is just opposite of Greg's.


  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
  * The convenience.org  link seems to be a
blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced
on bias from what I can tell.
The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33
on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened
domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the
oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting 
down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development 
adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from 
closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we 
rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to 
America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our 
house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I 
don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it 
gets really ugly again.


JD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html

https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/

On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Lets go Brandon!


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Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread Jim via PLUG-discuss 
Some say you can save on gas by riding a bicycle.  You can also ride a  
horse and taunt people at the gas station like this guy.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9DwjwCMtTn0

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Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread Jim via PLUG-discuss 

Careful what you ask for.  :-)

On 3/18/22 08:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
honestly... I was just wondering what gas was costing in AZ. I didn't 
want a political debate because most likely we are set in our beliefs. 
I would love to get together for drinks but can't make it as I live 
far from phoenix.



On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:24 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


And there it is.
Nice.
Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not MAGA.
Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive.


On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics.
Don't email me directly again.

On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
Show them you get your news from only one side without telling
them... (I couldn't resist):
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias
which is just opposite of Greg's.

  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
  * The convenience.org  link seems to be
a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly
balanced on bias from what I can tell.
The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office
($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because
he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign
sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut
it down again.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that
shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in
development adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from
closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since
we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly
to America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault...
our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics
and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years
until it gets really ugly again.

JD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html

https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/

On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Lets go Brandon!


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Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss 
honestly... I was just wondering what gas was costing in AZ. I didn't want
a political debate because most likely we are set in our beliefs. I would
love to get together for drinks but can't make it as I live far from
phoenix.


On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:24 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> And there it is.
> Nice.
> Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not MAGA.
> Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive.
>
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via
> PLUG-discuss  wrote:
>
>
> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't
> email me directly again.
> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
>
> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I
> couldn't resist):
> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is
> just opposite of Greg's.
>
>- https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
>- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
>- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
>- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
>- The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the
>NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell.
>The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices
>climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23,
>2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil
>production to offset when foreign sources reduce the oil supply for our
>refineries. Biden shut it down again.
>
> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down
> domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely
> affected the price of fuel in America.
> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer
> sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on
> foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America
> otherwise.  I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and
> senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I don't have a ton
> of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it gets really ugly again.
>
> JD
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.
>
>
> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
>
> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
>
> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Lets go Brandon!
>
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Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
 And there it is.Nice.Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not 
MAGA.Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive.

On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:  
 
  
Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't email 
me directly again.
 
 On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
  
 
 Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I 
couldn't resist):
 https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
 Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is just 
opposite of Greg's. 
 
   - https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias   
 
   - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/   
 
   - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/   
 
   - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
   - The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the NACS 
magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell.     
 The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices climbing a 
mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 
25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign 
sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.  
 It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down 
domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely affected the 
price of fuel in America.
 When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer sources 
we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on foreign sources 
which might not really be so friendly to America otherwise.  I agree that it's 
not all Biden's fault... our house and senate made a mess of this country 
playing politics and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 
years until it gets really ugly again.
 
  JD  
  On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:
  
  Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot. 
  
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
 
https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
 
  On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
  
  Lets go Brandon!  
 
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Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss 
I think this is gotten way way off topic. There is always someone to make 
things political. All it was was a question about a gas price and I thought 
this was a Linux user group.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, at 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't 
> email me directly again.
>
> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
>> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I 
>> couldn't resist):
>> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
>> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is just 
>> opposite of Greg's. 
>>  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
>>  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
>>  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
>>  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
>>  * The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the NACS 
>> magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell.  
>> The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices climbing 
>> a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on 
>> Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil production to offset when 
>> foreign sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down 
>> again.  
>> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down 
>> domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely affected 
>> the price of fuel in America.
>> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer 
>> sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on 
>> foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America otherwise.  
>> I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and senate made a mess 
>> of this country playing politics and I don't have a ton of faith in their 
>> leadership.  Only 2 years until it gets really ugly again.
>> 
>> JD
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
>>  wrote:
>>> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.
>>> 
>>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
>>> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
>>> 
>>> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
 Lets go Brandon!
>>> 
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Re: ot - gas price

2022-03-18 Thread Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't 
email me directly again.


On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... 
(I couldn't resist):

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which 
is just opposite of Greg's.


  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
  * The convenience.org  link seems to be a
blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced
on bias from what I can tell.
The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices
climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan.
23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic
oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the oil
supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting 
down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development 
adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer 
sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on 
foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America 
otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and 
senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I don't have a 
ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it gets really 
ugly again.


JD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html

https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/

On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Lets go Brandon!


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computer science used in politics

2022-03-18 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
NSA Genius Debunks Russiagate Once & For All    


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NSA Whistleblower Tells How NSA Tracks You! w/Bill Binney


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