Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Evan Baird]

I don't believe that is the case. Knowing how much his tires cost to make 
there's no way he's going to retire on that alone.

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[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Evan Baird]

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> Evan, 
>
> If you " honestly don't care what happens as long as Bruce gets what he 
> deserves" then this endeavor is really pointless. You seem to think a 
> quarter million dollars is chump change. Having been on the board of 
> several established not-for-profits (not bike related) I can tell you 
> raising that sort of money unless you have some sort of real draw is not 
> easy.  
>
> Your effort, such as it is (seems limited to a quick GoFundMe page), does 
> not even consider how you'll keep this going even if you should raise the 
> funds. I admire the desire, but this sort of seat-of-the-pants approach is 
> ill advised, IMHO. 
>
> FWIW, BG saying he'll tell anyone who doesn't have $250k to f-off is part 
> of the problem. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il
>  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>> We've got a group of people together to discuss the best framework to 
>> use. If you have experience setting up a nonprofit, coop or b corp I 
>> encourage you to send me your email and I'll add you to the group. If you 
>> think Bruce is messing around maybe you're right, or maybe you don't 
>> actually know him very well. The way he put it to me is he can't ride them, 
>> so if nobody wants them badly enough to pay up then fuck it. I honestly 
>> don't care what happens as long as Bruce gets what he deserves, which is 
>> respect, dignity and a comfortable retirement. If you have 250,000 I would 
>> say it's a bargain.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:37:16 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>>
>>> My response to this on the Boblist (for those who don't follow both): 
>>>
>>> Evan, 
>>>
>>> Do you have an actual business plan beyond hoping others give you enough 
>>> $ to buy his bikes? Aside from his cool bike collection and the relatively 
>>> minimal value of his tools, the value of the business IS Bruce Gordon. He 
>>> has been struggling for the past few years -- what makes you think that 
>>> once he is gone folks will flock to learn how to build bikes from a 
>>> "museum" with his name on it but with no other connection? Who are your 
>>> master builder/instructors? How many people do you imagine would pay to see 
>>> his collection? How much would it cost you to keep the doors open? 
>>>
>>> Your claim that he is threatening to recycle all of his collection 
>>> instead of sell it piece by piece is indicative of the problem. That's 
>>> irrational -- if he really was so low energy, he could engage someone else 
>>> to sell it for him. If he cannot even manage that what sort of 
>>> support/guidance will he provide as you attempt to succeed at pushing a 
>>> BG-less BG Cycles? 
>>>
>>> What happens to the $$ you are raising if you are not successful in 
>>> getting the $250,000 you're asking for? You're using GoFundMe, which allows 
>>> withdrawals of any and all monies collected, regardless of success of 
>>> drive. If you don't raise the full amount, will you and Norma keep the 
>>> funds raised? Refund your donors? Donate the funds to BG? Are you using an 
>>> escrow service? 
>>>
>>> As you plan on being a museum/educational facility, have you looked into 
>>> the laws associated with doing so? Will you be a 501(C)3? How will you be 
>>> structured? You're making a big ask -- perhaps you'd like to share more on 
>>> your plans and what you've developed so far. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, Il
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:40:21 PM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cross Post from BOB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Evan Baird]

Trust me, we've been over all the options. If you think you have a better 
rapport with him than I do be my guest.

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[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Evan Baird]

We've got a group of people together to discuss the best framework to use. 
If you have experience setting up a nonprofit, coop or b corp I encourage 
you to send me your email and I'll add you to the group. If you think Bruce 
is messing around maybe you're right, or maybe you don't actually know him 
very well. The way he put it to me is he can't ride them, so if nobody 
wants them badly enough to pay up then fuck it. I honestly don't care what 
happens as long as Bruce gets what he deserves, which is respect, dignity 
and a comfortable retirement. If you have 250,000 I would say it's a 
bargain.

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:37:16 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> My response to this on the Boblist (for those who don't follow both): 
>
> Evan, 
>
> Do you have an actual business plan beyond hoping others give you enough $ 
> to buy his bikes? Aside from his cool bike collection and the relatively 
> minimal value of his tools, the value of the business IS Bruce Gordon. He 
> has been struggling for the past few years -- what makes you think that 
> once he is gone folks will flock to learn how to build bikes from a 
> "museum" with his name on it but with no other connection? Who are your 
> master builder/instructors? How many people do you imagine would pay to see 
> his collection? How much would it cost you to keep the doors open? 
>
> Your claim that he is threatening to recycle all of his collection instead 
> of sell it piece by piece is indicative of the problem. That's irrational 
> -- if he really was so low energy, he could engage someone else to sell it 
> for him. If he cannot even manage that what sort of support/guidance will 
> he provide as you attempt to succeed at pushing a BG-less BG Cycles? 
>
> What happens to the $$ you are raising if you are not successful in 
> getting the $250,000 you're asking for? You're using GoFundMe, which allows 
> withdrawals of any and all monies collected, regardless of success of 
> drive. If you don't raise the full amount, will you and Norma keep the 
> funds raised? Refund your donors? Donate the funds to BG? Are you using an 
> escrow service? 
>
> As you plan on being a museum/educational facility, have you looked into 
> the laws associated with doing so? Will you be a 501(C)3? How will you be 
> structured? You're making a big ask -- perhaps you'd like to share more on 
> your plans and what you've developed so far. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:40:21 PM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>> Cross Post from BOB
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Evan Baird]

Cross Post from BOB

Hey Everybody. I spoke with Bruce Gordon again this afternoon and he still 
hasn't found a buyer for his shop. My partner Norma and I decided that we 
want to try to raise the money to turn BG Cycles into a frame building 
school and bike touring museum and open it to the public. I think what 
Bruce is asking is an insanely low amount of one of the most respected 
names in custom bicycles and I think that he deserves a comfortable 
retirement after everything he's done for the American Bike Industry. If 
you can't support us directly please help us spread the word about our 
crowdfunding campaign. We have about a month to pull this off, after which 
Bruce told me he's just going to take his bicycle collection to the 
recyclers and scrap the lot. I really believe he intends to do that, and I 
would break my heart to see such beautiful and historical bikes get 
destroyed.


https://www.gofundme.com/save-bruce-gordon-cycles



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[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Evan Baird]

Now that I think about it isn't this discussion a little OT for Riv? I 
remember somebody was threatening to put disc tabs on an Atlantis at one 
point, but i don't think I've actually seen it done. Am I wrong? If post 
post the link cuz now I'm curious.

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[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Evan Baird]

While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals 
in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical 
brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless 
housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the 
Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask 
because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake 
combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing 
on singletrack.

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[RBW] Re: My Cantis cant get no respect.

[Evan Baird]

So now that the church has cannonized disc brakes the question becomes how 
many people are actually riding curvy disc forks? It seemed like Elephant 
had it in the bag, but now they're redesigned their forks so I have to 
assume there were issues. Soma is doing the Champs with disc brakes, but I 
haven't had an opportunity to try the protoype so I can't say exactly how 
much flex it's going to have. The Rawlands were redesigned with straight 
blades when the decision was made to switch to disc brakes, but it seems to 
me that curvy blades on a plus tire would be pretty much pointless.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA xpress tires

[Evan Baird]

I've never ridden the 650b version since my Stag fits bigger tires, but I know 
a few folks who run them on conversions. The only difference between the Pana 
brand and the Somas is the hypertex casing (which is supposed to be more 
compliant than PT, although a I can't really feel any difference). I don't know 
whether they'll keep producing them now that Pana is making their own 650b 
pasellas, but the 700c version may be rereleased with a new tread pattern.

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[RBW] Re: RBW Cassettes from IRD

[Evan Baird]

IRD made Riv spec ones. Not sure they're still in production, but I haven't 
heard anything to indicate they canned them. Probably just long lead times are 
iffy forcasting.

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

[Evan Baird]

In 100% of shimmy incidents it's down to Huldufólk distribution.

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[RBW] Re: 650b Red Hetres supply?

[Evan Baird]

Soma is also discontinuing all terracotta tires.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:18:49 AM UTC-7, Adama wrote:
>
> What I learned when I went to order some buttery red hetres from a lbs 
> last month, and this may be nothing new to you, but was new to me, was that 
> the color is being discontinued; gb will continue to make the black and 
> cream, as I understand.
>
> Thanks to a list-member who had some of the used 650b reds, we did a 
> trade, and now I'm riding 'em.  They went on the rims mercifully easily. 
>  And thanks to another list-member who was doing a rash of recent 
> tire-pressure number-crunching, i've dialed in about a 35-40 psi, which has 
> served me well for cushy/fun commuting and weekend rides.  
>
> 6 years into biking/Riv ownership, I'd never given much thought to tire 
> pressure, and had never been on tires this wide.  Incidentally, I stripped 
> the racks and fenders/lights that I've had set up for the last 5 years when 
> I changed the tires, just to see how'd it feel. 
>
> I like the red heaters 
> 
>  alright 
> and would love to track down some more--any thoughts on where to go?  Why I 
> have to be partial to the red all of sudden--no idea.  What can I 
> say--they've put some wind in my sails after not-biking much for at least a 
> year or two.
>
> Best,
> Adam
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/26905387@N04/29178603754/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom fork?

[Evan Baird]

http://dimensionbikeproducts.com/products/forks/mountain_standard ?

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I just received my custom velocity cliffhanger wheelset to find that the 
> stock fork on my '93 XO-2 has what I can only describe as toe-in canti 
> studs which won't allow either deore xt v-brakes or Paul neo retro brakes. 
>  I'm too far in to this build to turn back now so I want to pick up a nice 
> replacement fork but I'm not really wanting to go down the rabbit hole 
> (too) much further.  I'm gonna call Riv to see if I can buy a replacement 
> Atlantis or Hunq fork but would understand if they politely told me to kick 
> rocks.  Any cheapish alternatives for a 26+ canti fork?

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[RBW] Re: 700X42C Tire Recommendation

[Evan Baird]

Compass has a new 44ish wide coming out right? Might clear on a narrower rim I 
bet.

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[RBW] WTTry Soma Gator Bar

[Evan Baird]

Guitar Ted has a pair I bet he would part with.

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Evan Baird]

Talk to a whole mess of ebike nerds at the New Wheel open house. Different 
aesthetic preferences abound. I did check out a 29+ cargo bike that might 
just be my next dream bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

I don't really know if that's true anymore. The cost of labor in China 
isn't much lower than Taiwan. In some cases (Colossi for instance) it's 
actually quite a bit more because there is more competition for skilled 
welders. It's more about materials and supply chain.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they have 
more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me wrong, the 
San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect and I for one 
was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it and just add more 
fork eyelets. My assumption is that it was intened to fill several gaps in the 
Riv line without cannibalizing any of their other models, but what Riv customer 
is going to want to be stuck running 33mm tires with barely any fender 
clearance. For that matter, why would you use "lightweight" tubing just to slap 
on a second top tube? If it's just for looks then fine, but using heavier 
tubing and just having the one makes a lot more sense.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

I suspect it had somthing to do with the butt ugly forks they originally 
came with. And not having front rack mounts. And not having decent tire 
clearance. And not being low trail or planing. And generally being overly 
"girly" looking.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

The SM costs about twice what it should because it's sold through IBDs. If it 
was made by a company that only sold to consumers it would have been a home run 
I'm certain.

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

There are a few frames left, except no 51cm

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[RBW] Rich's Horsie

[Evan Baird]

http://somafab.blogspot.com/2016/06/hands-on-wheels-x-rivendell-appaloosa.html



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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Evan Baird]

That's why this exists.



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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Evan Baird]

Do you know the axle to crown length for the Atlantis forks? I want to try to 
get a batch of 50 or so 26er conversions made, but I wasnt sure if those were 
shorter/longer than the OX1s. I realize that it's probably not a sustainable 
product, but there seems to be more Atlanti owners who have/want to experiment 
with this. Otherwise I was just going to get 1 1/8 for the LHT/Saga

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[RBW] Re: Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

[Evan Baird]

I'm delighted by all the roadies buying 25c tires like they're going to 
have this religions experience or somthing. I just kind of sneer and 
explain that I never ride anything under 38mm.

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Evan Baird]

I've been riding back to back rake comparisons for the last 2 years, and 
the conclusion I've come to is you'll probably get used to whatever you 
ride the most. IF you always carry stuff on your bike, and IF you prefer to 
keep it within reach, and IF you need to take your hands off the bars often 
then go for it. That said, I ride my Stag without a handlebar bag and it's 
fine. I ride the high trail bike with a handlebar bag and pannier and it's 
fine. I can ride them both no hands. It is a bit easier with the low trail, 
but there are so many variables that you'd need a ven diagram to quantify 
it all. The one thing that I feel pretty confident about is that I prefer 
the slacker head tube for dirt, regardless of the trail. I can't justify 
that with any data though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Evan Baird]

Unfortunately it's probably going to be a lot sooner than that. I'm almost 
a cripple as it is. But hand cycles are cool!

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> When you're old enough to actually need a knee replacement (or, for that 
> matter, a coronary by-pass) you'll probably be on Medicare.
>
> On 06/07/2016 01:58 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> That's good to know, although I doubt I'd be able to afford that kind of 
> surgery (I work for republicans after all).
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>> On 06/02/2016 05:30 PM, Evan Baird wrote: 
>> > For the record, I'm keeping it all organic until my shitty joints 
>> finally crap out. 
>> > 
>>
>> Even when they do, prosthetics don't require electric powered bicycles 
>> (having half an artificial knee I can speak with personal knowledge on 
>> this subject).  Actually most everyone I know using e-bikes has either 
>> blocked coronary arteries or a heart damaged by an MI.  That could just 
>> be the demographic I hang out with, though... 
>>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Evan Baird]

That's good to know, although I doubt I'd be able to afford that kind of 
surgery (I work for republicans after all).

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 06/02/2016 05:30 PM, Evan Baird wrote: 
> > For the record, I'm keeping it all organic until my shitty joints 
> finally crap out. 
> > 
>
> Even when they do, prosthetics don't require electric powered bicycles 
> (having half an artificial knee I can speak with personal knowledge on 
> this subject).  Actually most everyone I know using e-bikes has either 
> blocked coronary arteries or a heart damaged by an MI.  That could just 
> be the demographic I hang out with, though... 
>

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[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

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Since we're talking about regional issues, I can give an example from the 
bay area of how this stuff plays out. SF, as must people are aware, is no 
longer affordable by any definition, so the majority of working class folks 
live across the bay. The Golden Gate Bridge has a bike lane, so plenty of 
people commute to work by bike in the morning. The Bay Bridge does not have 
a bike lane, and probably won't get one for at least 10 years. That means 
if you work in SF you either take bart (which is nearly impossible with a 
bike unless you live out in the burbs) or ride a bus (which means crossing 
your fingers and hoping there's space on the front rack) or ride a ferry 
which costs twice as much. There is a special bike shuttle, but the point 
is there are way more barriers to entry if you live in the historically low 
income areas. The only reason this has improved at all is because we have 
kick ass advocacy groups that fight for bicycle access, and the only reason 
they are able to do that is because they raise a lot of money.

Now I don't mean to point any fingers, but when you compare the 
infrastructure development in the wealthy parts of SF to the poorer 
neighborhoods in the southeast SF, you can see who is getting the majority 
of the infrastructure improvements. But if you never go to those areas, 
because you live in a nice part of town so why would you, you'll never 
realize that there are a lot of people who are at risk riding there. Those 
neighborhoods have been neglected due to a lack of anybody with clout 
speaking up about it, and that prevents people that live there from taking 
up bicycle commuting. The office jockey who only rides his road bike on the 
weekends is not going to throw a fit about unsafe rush hour traffic on 
Monday morning, but statistically he is the person that the policy makers 
will here from as he's more likely to write a big check. When people talk 
about the bike lanes of gentrification this is exactly what they mean.

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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

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The Soma rack has zip tie mounting holes. It's been my experience that it's 
the sliding around that causes zip ties to fail. Of course I usually just 
put on a crap ton to be safe.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

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This is exaclty what I'm talking about. I've always pushed Soma to keep their 
web pricing comparable to brick and mortar, but as more and more people sign up 
for Amazon Prime it's really a race to the bottom. Any publiclly held bike 
company that doesnt offer direct sales is going to get an earful when Canyon 
starts moving big numbers. And even if brand try to enforce MAP that doesnt 
prevent startups like Casper and Harrys from spinning up buissnesses to compete 
with in product catagory they think they have an edge in.

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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

[Evan Baird]

I've also seen them mounted up with copper wire. I havent tried it myself, but 
it looks dope.

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Evan Baird]

For the record, I'm keeping it all organic until my shitty joints finally crap 
out.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

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Peter, that's already happening. The problem is that the traditional LBS model 
is failing, and moat comminities don't have access to coop workspaces. As a 
"veteran" shop rat, I have a dewp affection for the LBS and the culture 
surrounding it, but I've also seen first hand how the chevanism, zenophobia and 
elitism that people encounter in many shops can turn them away from the 
"sport". Those of us who are deciples of Sheldon will get along regardless, but 
the average dealer isn't going to be able to compete with ecommerce. If the 
industry insists of pushing products that are increasingly not user servicable 
we're going to see a lot more Circut Cities and Comp USAs in the bike world. 
Shops need to be welcoming community spaces. There'sno room for mediocre 
service in this economy.

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[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

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Regardless of whether Bobbishness is a movement already, it needs to become 
one if we want to grow the cycling community. The bicycle advocacy world is 
primarily funded by lycra wearing, charity rider types (primarily white 
dudes if we're going by the numbers). This is a huge problem, especially 
since the vast majority of potential transportation cyclists are low income 
people of color, many of which primarily speak languages other than English 
and don't participate in the "bike community'. That means that the policies 
that affect transportation cyclists are frequently being decided by people 
who don't really understand the needs of road users that don't fit their 
idea of "cyclists". I'm not suggesting a bike industry conspiracy, but 
rather a confirmation bias that makes bicycles less accessible. Part of 
making cycling accessible is embracing riders who don't fall into the 
typical bike shop genres, and very probably won't ever step foot into one 
due to the condescending, profit driven mentality of the bike industry. As 
long as bike shops are the primary point of contact for new cyclists, we 
need to forcefully shift the narrative towards a culture that embraces 
cargo bikes, and ebikes and adaptive bikes and upright bikes. It's not 
academic. If we want safe roads, and bicycle facilities there needs to be 
real money to back up our demands. The auto and oil industries spend 
upwards of 50 million dollars a year to push pro driving policies.

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[RBW] Re: Question about Gramicci Rockin Sport Pants given MUSA production hiatus

[Evan Baird]

I used to be a hardcore Gramicci fan when I was primarily a mountainbiker. 
Once I started commuting more I always caught the pant legs and tore them 
up in the chain. So now I only buy bargain basement Levis from Ross.

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Evan Baird]

When I first saw the geometry for these I figured that was Riv's plan all 
along. It makes perfect sense. The ebike commuter market in California is 
set to grow far in excess of the rest of the bike industry combined, and 
there bikes are loads more appealing to the target demographics (aka non 
spandorks).

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[RBW] Re: Riv's love child - new build

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Looks great! How the steering with those swept back bars.

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[RBW] Re: New Nitto front rack?

[Evan Baird]

Don't look too closely at that photo. Somebody clearly didn't understand 
what's meant to go where.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

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FYI, at least some of the Motels 6 will kick you out and cancel your 
reservation if you have bikes. No storage room or even lockup allowed. Also 
apparently prositution busts are a regular occurrence at least at the midtown 
location.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS in Sacramento Feb. 26 - 28

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That said, Amtrak from the bay area is easy and enjoyable.

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[RBW] Re: Rivelo

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Right on. I love my comfy shorts :-)

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[RBW] Rivelo

[Evan Baird]

Stopped off Rivelo when I was up north. Very nice space.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBgDMC-ItSU/

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[RBW] Re: A Soma San Marcos (Amos) Build

[Evan Baird]

There are still some chrome "j" replacement forks available, but I wouldn't 
wait too long because I'm told they don't plan on producing any more San 
Marcos. So I assume forks are done too.

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[RBW] Re: favorite mixed terrain tires, winter edition

[Evan Baird]

+1 Surly Knards

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[RBW] Re: Why slick tires don't stick well

[Evan Baird]

Obviously removing material reduces the stiffness of the tires contact area, 
and allows it to deform around uneven surfaces. What I don't buy is the notion 
that there is a benefit to directional specific tread patterns. A Pasella is 
the same as a Jack Brown is the same as a (brand x) Panaracer made Clement 
knockoff ect. And that's great, because those tires are all great compared to 
Schwalbe Marathons and Vittoria Randonneurs.

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

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They never update their photos. They've been like that for about a year.

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 8:20:00 AM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
> That new model San Marcos fork looks like it has more of a nice bend than the 
> earlier sky blue version. Did they change the fork style for the new version? 

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Evan Baird]

There's a whole set here.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskmXiehz

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

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I've heard rumblings that the San Marcos may not be long for this world. I 
had hoped that increasing the tire clearance would give it a bump, but 
apparently they're talking about killing it off unless sales suddenly 
increase. I guess it's ultimately up to Riv, since it's technically their 
project, but it doesn't seem like that's the kind of thing they're very 
interested in these days.

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[RBW] Re: Riv 12-40 cassette

[Evan Baird]

IRD makes them, but they are Riv spec gearing. The IRD ones have tighter 
spacing.

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[Evan Baird]

I really do like the Surlys. They may not be as sexy, and they might be a 
tad bit slower, but they're good enough and the price is right. A big step 
up from the Fatty Rumpkins IMO. I keep bugging Panaracer people about a 
650b version of the new Gravel King (the real ones, not the Pacenti ones) 
and they won't give me a straight answer. It looks like it would be sweet 
though.

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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Evan Baird]

Have y'all seen these yet?

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2015/10/30/cycle-monkey-distributing-gebla-rohbox-us#.Vj-UnMvTnqA

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

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That's at least as much clearance as a Bleriot.


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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Evan Baird]

Soma's website is completely worthless. If you have questions about Soma 
bikes just call a Soma dealer. They just forward all the technical 
questions to me anyway.

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Evan Baird]

In case you were wondering, here's pictures of a San Marcos that is for 
sale at AC in SF.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/americancycleryofficial/21988952090/in/dateposted/



I think it's pretty neat, but I guess to the rest of the world it's too 
heavy/too expensive/too much trail/too stiff/doesn't have paul racer 
mounts/chainstays too long/doesn't have thru axles/doesn't take press fit 
bearings ect. Anyway, if you want one you probably better jump on it, cause 
they really don't sell well enough to justify their existence. Anyway, 
Public bikes come with matching fenders, so that's a neat feature.

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[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

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How bout that there directional tread pattern eh?

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

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Nitto doesn't actually use any of the cutsie Rivendell names domestically.

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[RBW] Re: no more Synergies?

[Evan Baird]

I've liked the Atlas rims on my Rawland. It do 50/50 mixed terrain and the 
width sets up perfecto with my 42mm tires.

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

[Evan Baird]

I love this setup. I've been a fan of the 1X since about 2003, and the new 1X11 
is definitely much smoother and more reliable than any of the cobbled together 
solutions I've tried in the past. I'm interested to try the Sram GX on some 
flatbar cx/mixed builds and see how people like it. I'm glad they still offer a 
grip shifter, because they work great and look so clean.

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos vs ES

[Evan Baird]

33.3 with a plastic fender. No idea what they were thinking.

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[RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

[Evan Baird]

Are these the same hubs that Velocity sells on their road wheelsets?

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos vs ES

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The 650b SM has significantly more clearance than the 700c version. Not 
sure how the ES compares with 650b wheels, because i never got around to 
trying that, but bigger is better in my experience.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Evan Baird]

Depending on what size you need the SM is really 2 different bikes. The 650b 
(47-57cm) is more of a nimble sport touring bike, while the 700c version is 
quite a bit beefier and made to take more weight. Basically a Sam with shorter 
reach brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Photos: please consider providing link rather than attachment

[Evan Baird]

I can't imagine why anybody intentionally uses google groups. The Google 
Plus UI is exponentially better. What Google needs to do is generate 
previews of links automatically. I won't click a link on a mobile device 
unless I already know what I'm going to see.

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[RBW] Re: Quality "budget" steel bike offereings?

[Evan Baird]

Here's some cheapo sacrilege for you.

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/cross-bikes/fantom_cxx-100.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom_cxx.htm

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nano 2.1 v. Smart Sam 2.1

[Evan Baird]

I know i'm being picky, because I really like the 26x2.55" Weirwolf LT, but 
if they may a 26x3" Nano I'd be all over that for my dirt dropper.

On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 1:06:33 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> As an all around tire with an even split of paved, dirt, and trail — 
> anyone ridden both? I have ridden the Smart Sams for over a year now and 
> they are great on all by the pavement where they lag. Hoping the Nano is an 
> improvement without too much loss on the trails. Even if you’ve just ridden 
> the Nano’s I’d love your input. Thanks!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
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[RBW] Re: Dyna-Sys compatible bar-ends now available - opening up new possibilities

[Evan Baird]

I've been eyeing these since I realized they existed. It would be cool to 
try another drop bar 1x drivetrain with a clutch derailleur.

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> In case you wanted to run something like oh a 40T in the back or any 
> Shimano 10 speed MTB deralier, or any permutation thereof, Microshift now 
> makes a dyna-sys compatible bar end:
>
> http://www.microshift.com.tw/BS-M10_Shifters.html
>
> Microshift also makes a 40T compatible derailer with 47T capacity, which 
> is the largest capacity I have seen, granted, it is fugly, but if you value 
> functionality over form...
>
> http://www.microshift.com.tw/RD-M78L_rd.html
>
> I had not previously considered going to 10 speed but if I can get a 
> cassette that goes to 40 for a reasonable price, that would make it more 
> interesting for me because I might be able to get away with a standard 110 
> bcd compact double crankset rather than having to go with wide low 
> cranksets.  I think the smallest smal ring you can get on a 110 is 33T, 
> IIRC.  Currently running 28T on a 74 bcd on my triple converted to wide low 
> double, with 34 in the back
>
> With the current config, 44/28 in back and 11-34 9 speed in , I have from 
> 104.0 down to 21.4
>
> With a proposed config of 48/33 in front and 11-40 in back I get from 
> 113.5 down to 21.5.  So basically the low end stays the same, I don't have 
> to use geek doubles anymore, and I get 113.5 on the top end.
>
> The only downside is that the cassette has a 17 to 21 jump on it, which is 
> a 23.5% jump, pretty large for a single gear shift.  The current 9 speed 
> has a 17 to 20 jump on it which is a more manageable 17.6%.  So maybe I 
> should be thinking 11 speed 11-40.  Ha ha.
>
> The reason I want 113.5 on the top end is that in tailwind situations on 
> brevet rides I have had problems gearing out at 104 inches.  If I could 
> pedal to a little higher speeds in tailwinds especially in rolling terrain 
> like we have here in the Texas Hill Country, that would help me keep up 
> with my friends a little better.  Grant is probably shaking his head now 
> but hey cycling is a big tent.
>
> Of course being able to get the gearing I want on the low end using a 
> 110bcd double is reason enough in of itself for me.  I just have to solve 
> the problem with the big gap in the cassette.  Hmm.
>
> -- 
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>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Evan Baird]

They left the option open for vintage style bikes provided you have the correct 
shifters and brake levers. I didn't see any rivs, but I rode my stag and I saw 
a San Marcos and a stanyan.

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[RBW] Re: New bicycle brand from Merry Sales = New Albion

[Evan Baird]

The name was licensed from New Albion brewing.

http://karledwards.com/blog/process-of-process-the-new-albion-cycles-badge/

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:31:56 AM UTC-7, Matt wrote:
>
> Someone with a business background (not me) could probably chime in with a 
> name for it, but what I see is a classic pattern used in product sales and 
> marketing. 
>
> There is an established classic bicycle aesthetic, with ascribed 
> qualities, values, and identities, that Rivendell is arguably at the 
> forefront of.  New Albion capitalizes on this established and 
> well-worked-for aesthetic by providing bike buyers with solid elements of 
> the aesthetic, but at a lower price. 
>
> This is why KIA designed a car to look like the Honda Civic and Ford made 
> the Taurus look like an Aston Martin.  They tread heavily on the design of 
> the more established, higher status and more expensive product, but sell at 
> a cheaper price. 
>
> So like buyers of the Ford Taurus, buyers of the New Albion might aspire 
> to one day afford/own a Rivendell, but settle (at least in the mean time) 
> for something that fulfills to their satisfaction both the aesthetic needs 
> and functional needs of the bike, but at a lower cost.

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[RBW] Re: No more MUSA shorts?!?!?!

[Evan Baird]

Glad I bought mine when I did. Must have been the last pair.

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[RBW] Re: 700C Tire suggestion for mixed terrain 200K on Redwood?

[Evan Baird]

I've put a lot of miles on the 37mm New Xpress tires, which do fine by me 
on firm dirt and packed gravel. I imagine the Paselas would feel pretty 
similar. The thicker tread seems to do better on rocks than the 35c Pasela 
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[RBW] Re: Bending back a bent fork

[Evan Baird]

When I dropped my New Albion off the top of a fence Manny said just flip it 
around and lean on it. This was not effective.

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Evan Baird]

I'm in! I don't own a real Riv, but from a distance who can really tell.

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[RBW] Re: Polling what's the best 650b touring tire?

[Evan Baird]

Spotted these on a Bilenky tandem at the Philly Expo.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/therubbishbin/15566528697/



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Re: [RBW] Re: Frankenstein Bike

[Evan Baird]

Every time I see new pics of it pop up in my flickr feed I respost em. 
She's a real beaut.

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Re: [RBW] Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

[Evan Baird]

I'm so excited for the Klamper brakes. I stopped by the booth to play with 
them and they felt dialed. Simple adjustment knobs, and bigger than the 
Avids. I think they might work well with compression-less housing and Paul 
Love Levers. Nitto had some pretty stuff as usual. Panaracer is coming out 
with their own B+ tires and a snot load of new 650b 42mm tires too!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soma Highway 1 Bar -- Got One or Know Where to Get One?

[Evan Baird]

More coming later this month hopefully.

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[RBW] Re: Dia compe knob grip?

[Evan Baird]

Have em. Love em.



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[RBW] Re: First Riv Photo

[Evan Baird]

Style for days.

On Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:56:17 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>
> I recently found this photo taken before my inaugural ride on my 
> Allrounder from back in (I think it was) 1999?  Gasp, I'm wearing lycra! 
>  Actually it makes sense because of the rather long day in the saddle I 
> had.  I appreciated the padding.  A good way to start a relationship with 
> one of my favorite bikes.  It's gone through various configurations over 
> the years but that was a pretty solid build.
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/09/in-honor-of-grant-petersens-visit.html
>
> Just thought I'd share,
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
> Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian 
> Advisory Committee 
> 
>
> 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto NR-20?

[Evan Baird]

The NR-20 mounts to the underside of the brake bridge. The NR-21 has a 
threaded post like the M-12.



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[RBW] Re: New build: Soma GR, and a question

[Evan Baird]

That FD prolly needs a wider chain line.

On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:56:53 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Well Grant would probably not approve of the amount of seat post showing, 
> but, it seems to work pretty good for me, and I am comfortable riding it. 
>  Maybe would like a tad more elevation to the stem, but in practice riding 
> it around I don't notice.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/23646261@N03/8p64BN/
>
> The question I have is, is that FD going to work for me?  I am thinking 
> no, because the loop around the post halves the amount of cable pull 
> available to the front shifter.  I can't get it to move nearly as much as I 
> need.  The specs said top pull or bottom pull, but really, I think it would 
> be better with top pull.  Too bad.  I bought a used IRD Alpina the other 
> day, I'm going to use that on the Rivendell and try the FD on the Rivendell 
> on my Soma GR.
> -- 
> Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Manny spotted in Lycra

[Evan Baird]

But was he also wearing sandals?

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:26:45 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I took my mom and her two sisters to the SF Giants game today.  We took 
> BART to the City, grabbed some food at the Ferry Building and went to hire 
> a pedicab for a ride to the yard.  Manny was my pedicab driver!  And he was 
> rocking his San Francisco Randonneurs Lycra kit!  Small world.  

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[RBW] Re: 8 Years of Bleriot

[Evan Baird]

I remember seeing this parked out front of the QFC when I lived in 
wallingford.

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:21:18 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> Took the annual picture of my Bleriot a little late this year.   I have 
> too many bikes but this is still the one that gets ridden the most.  The 
> latest plus year by year pics below.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157626241583223/
>
> Rob Markwardt
> Seattle, WA
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[RBW] Re: Entmoot tire recs - under biking results

[Evan Baird]

I was on 2.5" Weirwolves and I was still working pretty hard to keep it on 
the trial. Well done!

On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:35:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
> Just getting back with an update on how things went at Entmoot.
>
> In the end, I left the Hetres on the Sam H. and they performed 
> wonderfully.  I was able to ride the same trails and roads (including some 
> pretty bumpy single track at China Camp with lots of exposed sharp rocks) 
> as other bikes with stouter and knobbier tires.  I had no flats and no 
> sidewall issues.  
>
> Generally I run the Hetres pretty soft when not heavily loaded (~35-40 
> psi), but bumped them up to 60psi to avoid pinch flats because of the full 
> Large Saddlesack plus sleeping bag, air pad, and ground pad in the front 
> basket. 
>
> Overall, the Hetres were great for me.  There was one other rider using 
> Hetres who had a different experience than I did. I only heard second hand, 
> but it sounds like he hit a rock pretty hard and it ruined the tire. Of 
> course, that could happen to almost any tire with the right rock. 
>
> Thanks for the encouragement to not overthink things, keep it simple, and 
> underbike a bit.  
>
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Thursday, July 10, 2014, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> I have had a freewheel-equipped S3X, generator hub, and semi-knobbies on 
>> the QB for the last two days, but I'm going to just ride the fixed C-Line 
>> wheels. Maybe change the cranks to 39/42 or 44, instead of the 44t Eno set. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:03:52 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>>>
>>> More votes for under biking. I love it! 
>>>
>>> Under biking and adventure it will be. 
>>>
>>> -Aaron Young
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 8, 2014, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>>
 Whatever you end up with, you'll have fun. And if you end up under 
 biking it, you'll learn all the more! Grin. I took my Barlow Passes on a 
 ride that sounds equivilant to what Jim just described, and it was 
 definitely under biking but I did fine -- just took some bits slower and 
 walked others. No worries.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Official "Entmoot" Ride, Sunday July 13th

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My little brother will be visiting with his Steamroller scorcher, so this 
sounds like a good level of abuse to subject him to.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:56:41 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> The website has officially singled me out as a ride leader for Sunday.  
> Seeing as my only "real" Riv is a Quickbeam, I thought I'd make this the 
> official "Entmoot" ride, built around the capabilities of the Quickbeam.  
> Don't have a specific route laid yet, but I have sought the wisdom of the 
> local sage known as Cyclofiend Steelenframe.  Rest assured that this will 
> be a comparatively chill ride, with much more minimal climbing than Manny's 
> gruelfest epic the day before, good for anyone with a singlespeed, those 
> looking for a more mild ride, or those looking to recover from Manny's 
> ride.  It is an Entmoot, but any creature of the forest will be welcome 
> (read: open to all bikes, not just Quickbeams, singlespeeds, or even Rivs 
> for that matter).  Expect a good amount of gear gawking and arguing about 
> ideal gear ratios and which color of QB was best (the answer is orange, 
> obviously).  There will probably be a stop for beer at somepoint, if I have 
> anything to say about it.   
>
> I have to work on Saturday so I'll be driving over to China Camp from 
> Berkeley on Sunday morning.  Let's say the ride starts around 10am from the 
> group's campsite?
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[RBW] Re: Betty clone

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I wasn't really involved with this one, but I'd say it's the Glorious than 
the Betty. I believe the idea was to make somthing cheaper than the Soma 
Buena vista, hence the mono tt and Cromo tubing.

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[RBW] Re: Betty clone

[Evan Baird]

That's not actually accurate in regards to the Starling. It's made from 
Tange Infinity which is basically DB Cro-mo. The Homebrew is Hi-Ten. The 
copy writer apparently wasn't paying attention.

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>
> http://newalbioncycles.com/starling/
>
> I honestly didn't know they made bikes out of high ten steel anymore. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Speaking of self promotion, have y'all heard of these?

http://www.bgcycles.com/rock-n-road-tire.html

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 4:34:07 PM UTC-7, ken.m...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys this kind of talk is supposed to happen in February.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2014 02:55 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>>> That is quite an endorsement.
>>>
>>> http://about.me/evanbaird/
>>>
>>>  
>> or, as someone on this list used to say, "Shameless self promotion"?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

<http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/photos/banksy_museum_picasso.jpg>


On Thursday, June 5, 2014 2:21:57 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Haha BG's original point is that Nitto's product is a direct copy of one 
> from a small US shop which is still in production. He's right.
>
> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:44:49 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>> Haha fair point. I meant this part.
>>
>> "You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and 
>> that you are new at it.
>> I’d say you are pretty good at it already."
>>
>> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:41:38 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> > That is quite an endorsement.
>>>
>>> > http://about.me/evanbaird/ 
>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fevanbaird%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFDbpDUNN6SlVPC1tYOuGvAV22XSw>
>>>
>>> Based on my experience with IRD freewheels, not sure I would claim an 
>>> association with them as bicycle props.
>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Haha fair point. I meant this part.

"You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and that 
you are new at it.
I’d say you are pretty good at it already."

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:41:38 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > That is quite an endorsement.
>
> > http://about.me/evanbaird/ 
> 
>
> Based on my experience with IRD freewheels, not sure I would claim an 
> association with them as bicycle props.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Just for the record, I only ride Gripkings. Toe clips are strictly for 
suckers who want to break their ankles.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:39:03 PM UTC-7, David G wrote:
>
> Obviously Evan is campaigning to win Soma/Merry Sales a coveted SOPWAMTOS 
> Golden Toidy Award. 
> Grant of Rivendell won one in 2005, so this thread remains On Topic.  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Peter Morgano  > wrote:
>
>> Nice attitude, luckily how you act doesn't reflect on your brand, oh 
>> wait. 
>>  On Jun 5, 2014 3:14 PM, "Evan Baird" > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

No question about it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

That is quite an endorsement.

http://about.me/evanbaird/

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Being this cranky requires years of dedication and practice. I'm still new 
at it.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:07:22 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> How small and sad a victory. 
> On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, "Evan Baird" > 
> wrote:
>
>> All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Evan wins the coveted "I was mean to Bruce Gordon" button. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
>>>> been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
>>>> source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
>>>> sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
>>>> that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 
>>>>
>>>> My $.02, everybody be coool ok? 
>>>> =- Joe Bunik 
>>>> 'nut Creek, CA 
>>>>
>>>> On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano  wrote: 
>>>> > I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. 
>>>> > On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, "Evan Baird"  wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> >> Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I 
>>>> understand it 
>>>> >> is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then 
>>>> other 
>>>> >> suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either 
>>>> >> increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and 
>>>> hope 
>>>> >> that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You 
>>>> can't 
>>>> >> whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody 
>>>> else's 
>>>> >> in 
>>>> >> the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or 
>>>> >> consider 
>>>> >> setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for 
>>>> custom 
>>>> >> touring bikes there. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

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All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Evan wins the coveted "I was mean to Bruce Gordon" button. 
>
> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
>> been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
>> source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
>> sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
>> that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 
>>
>> My $.02, everybody be coool ok? 
>> =- Joe Bunik 
>> 'nut Creek, CA 
>>
>> On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano  wrote: 
>> > I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. 
>> > On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, "Evan Baird"  wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand 
>> it 
>> >> is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other 
>> >> suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either 
>> >> increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and 
>> hope 
>> >> that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You 
>> can't 
>> >> whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody 
>> else's 
>> >> in 
>> >> the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or 
>> >> consider 
>> >> setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for 
>> custom 
>> >> touring bikes there. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Evan Baird]

Yeah, it's a Pasela but with a folding bead. They don't offer the non TG 
with a folding bead.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:58:44 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Aren't the C-lines basically pasellas anyway? No belt, same tread, 
> probably same casing...
>
> You and a sharpie can make them pasellas :)
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM, EGNolan > 
> wrote:
>
>> Praise be to Panaracer. 
>>  
>> I've been riding the non tourguard Pasela's in 700 cx 35 for a while, but 
>> summer is almost here, maybe time to lose the fenders on the Raleigh, so 
>> I'd love to see those Pasela 38's, but I'm not having much luck... Evan, or 
>> anyone else for that matter, do you have a place to procure said 38's? 
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>> Indpls
>>
>>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

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Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand it is if 
you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other suppliers 
enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either increase production 
and compete on volume or raise your prices and hope that your brand is 
stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You can't whinge that somebody 
copied your idea that was a copy of sombody else's in the first place. If 
competition isn't youre thing get a patent or consider setting up shop in North 
Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for custom touring bikes there.

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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Evan Baird]

Once we got them to make the c-lines they reintroduced the pasella in 38c as 
well. Its the same mold with different casing.

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Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Speaking of which, anybody remeber these?



<http://gypsybytrade.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/8616wp-2.jpg?w=584&h=438>
http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/tag/650b/

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34:47 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The photo Evan attached is of a French toe clip made in the 1920s.  
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:27:31 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>> Umm, are you fucking kidding me?
>>
>> <http://www.speedplay.com/pedalmuseum/images/IMG_15941.jpg>
>> http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pedalmuseum.straps
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:09:33 PM UTC-7, bgcycles wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like they finally copied the King Cage ones that they took 
>>> pictures of 2 and 3  years ago at the King Cage Booth at Interbike.
>>> King Cage made them 4 years ago in Colorado USA.  MKS is the “King of 
>>> Copys”.
>>> If you want the originals check them out at - 
>>> http://kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bruce Gordon
>>> www.bgcycles.com
>>> www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
>>> (707) 762-5601
>>>  
>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by 
>>> MKS and Nitto
>>>  
>>> http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html
>>>  
>>> Rather elegant...I have to say
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