[RBW] FF: Riv catalogs and BQ magazines

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I know I'm late, but I am happy to take all of them. I can also just pick them 
up from you so you won't even need to mail them.

Beaverton "Still Young At Heart" Bob

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[RBW] My new Sam is complete!

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Wonderful build. Like many here, I am a Sam owner myself. I will second the 
suggestion of getting it (at least slightly) dirty!!

Trying to look at the pics in my phone, but are those White Industries hubs? If 
so, nice touch.

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis! - First Riv

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Nice bike, welcome to the group, and hope your move goes well!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: Bikepacking Kit

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Hi Deacon Patrick,

Appreciate the list and write-up. 

You are an inspiration to actively stripping down to what is essential. I 
try to teach that to our kids when we are hiking/camping. 

I definitely understand lauds, vespers, and the rosary too.

Thank You,
Beaverton "I Need To Do Some Bikepacking" Bob

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[RBW] Re: Marty's Step-through Single

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Bike looks great! 

Glad you at least have the legs for a SS, no matter what chainring you use. 

I had one years ago, albeit a hardtail, but my legs were not made for it. 
Was pushing uphill 40% of the time. Not fun.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton "Don't Have A Single Speed Anymore" Bob

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[RBW] Re: New shoes (and rims) for the Sam Hillborne

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Nice bike/build. I like how flared the handlebars are, and the subtle color 
touches on the Paul brakes. As a proud Sam H owner myself, I know how 
versatile they can be. 

I, too, started with handlebars 2 inches above my saddle. Then, on Rivelo's 
2nd Anniversary Ride (2017), a gentleman suggested I RAISE my seatpost 3 
inches higher, and then lower it by 1/2 an inch a week to find the sweet 
spot. I finally found it at 2.25 inches higher (still about level with my 
handlebars), and it has been at that height since. By the way, the 
gentleman's initials were GP. I honestly would not have tried a higher 
seatpost, but am very glad I did.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton "Still Riding My Saddle Level To Handlebarse" Bob

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Re: [RBW] 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)

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If finances allow, I will also echo having two different COMPLETE bikes. 

The challenge is making sure you are NOT building the same bike again. I 
know that sounds confusing, but how many of us have two "different" bikes 
that both have the same cockpit, same saddle, even the same wheelset.

Making one MORE paved road and one MORE unpaved road would be a starting 
point. And the different frame size will be ideal for that.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton "My Wife Would Be Happy IF I Only Had Two Bikes" Bob

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[RBW] Re: New shoes (and rims) for the Sam Hillborne

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Hi James,

So, I rode my Sam H to work today (a VERY short ride) and used the drops 
the whole time.

Then I read your post, and checked my actual saddle to drop height. Turns 
out, my Noodle drops ARE below my saddle height but the tops are ABOVE 
saddle height. Oops!

Like you, I have two different but very useful positions. To think my 
saddle was even lower before GP's suggestion. 

Ride Safely,
Beaverton "Drops Below Saddle Height" Bob

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 7:19:33 AM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>
> Hey Bob, glad you got that saddle up.  My saddle is good, height wise, but 
> dirt drop bars are meant to be predominately ridden in the drops, and as 
> such, I like the drop portion just a little below the saddle height.  The 
> tops are really high, for sure, but that's fine for casual chats and down 
> tempo rides.  When the mud gets to flinging, or the trail points up, I duck 
> down into the drops again.  
>
> -James
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[RBW] Re: HHH tool kit and other brainstorming

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Hi Tony,

What you are missing are pictures of your HHH, for US to appreciate!

Seriously though, I always bring a tire boot (or two). Never had to use 
them, but cheap insurance for the really big tire cuts. Duct tape will do 
in a pinch, of course. 

I like the toddler stuff, are you bringing toddlers along? Trailer, perhaps?

Ride Safely,
Beaverton "Pics Or It Didn't Happen" Bob

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[RBW] Re: David Lance Goines Riv Bike Poster

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[RBW] Re: Where is Deacon Patrick?

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Same sentiments here. Happy (and relieved) to know you’re doing well, Deacon 
Patrick!

Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Bike Rear View Mirrors

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This morning, I overtook a guy and thought I may have been too abrupt or 
that he was trying to draft behind me. 

I moved my eye up and to the left to check my rear view mirror.

I didn't see anything at first. 

Then I remembered I didn't have my helmet on, and that I was actually 
walking. 

Old habits...

For the record, I have a Bike Peddler Take A Look Mirror taped to my helmet.

Stay Safe,
Beaverton "Always Thinks He's On A Bike" Bob

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[RBW] Re: Bike Rear View Mirrors

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I'm glad I'm not the only one.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> me too. same mirror. go walking and think I can see behind me...but I 
> can't...unless I go full dork all the time.

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[RBW] Re: Bike Rear View Mirrors

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That is true. Thanks for sharing! We should all be careful, as we are 
likely in the minority with being extra safe.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:46:34 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Nice habit!
>
> One of my pet peeves is other cyclists or pedestrians NOT doing the 
> mirror/shoulder check when stepping out or passing. They just drift right 
> out. 
> It's these people that need to have a rear-view mirror glued permanently 
> to the side of their head :-S
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:26:57 AM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>>
>> This morning, I overtook a guy and thought I may have been too abrupt or 
>> that he was trying to draft behind me. 
>>
>> I moved my eye up and to the left to check my rear view mirror.
>>
>> I didn't see anything at first. 
>>
>> Then I remembered I didn't have my helmet on, and that I was actually 
>> walking. 
>>
>> Old habits...
>>
>> For the record, I have a Bike Peddler Take A Look Mirror taped to my 
>> helmet.
>>
>> Stay Safe,
>> Beaverton "Always Thinks He's On A Bike" Bob
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

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A colleague of mine introduced me to the formula "d-1", d being the number 
of bikes that would lead to a divorce.  So, the right number of bikes is 
one less than would cause a divorce, but one more than you currently have. 
 Hopefully, a number between n+1 and d-1!

Ride Safely,
Bob from Beaverton

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[RBW] Comic Relief: CLOSE-RANGE crankset

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https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/6172833571.html

Hope the link works!  Look closely to appreciate what I think is a VERY 
close-range crankset.

Regards,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: Comic Relief: CLOSE-RANGE crankset

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*Should have said, look closely AT THE SECOND PICTURE.  Hint:  It's a 
TRIPLE!*

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:24:46 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/6172833571.html
>
> Hope the link works!  Look closely to appreciate what I think is a VERY 
> close-range crankset.
>
> Regards,
> Beaverton Bob
>

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[RBW] Re: Comic Relief: CLOSE-RANGE crankset

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I am learning a lot today.  Have been riding for some time, but aside from 
vintage 10-speeds, I started riding with 8 speed indexed already.  Thank 
you all!

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Re: [RBW] My Purple Glorious was Stolen

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I will keep an eye on Craigslist in the Portland region for you.  Hope it 
surfaces soon!

Regards,
Beaverton Bob

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 9:15:55 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Very sorry to hear of the loss. I hope you are able to recover it.
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Chalida  > wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>> Early yesterday morning (June 25) my dear purple Glorious was stolen from 
>> our basement in San Francisco's Mission District.  This beautiful bike has 
>> cream highlighting, hearts in the lugs.  When stolen had a knitted pink and 
>> purple cozy across the top frame tube.  Take a moment and be grateful for 
>> your bikes or memories!  Let us know if it's spotted, thanks.
>> Chalida
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[RBW] WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

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Wondering if someone has a spare 44cm Noodle lying around, not being used. 
 Currently use a 46cm, but have narrow shoulders.  I want to try a 
(slightly) narrower width.  On a budget, but have PayPal.

Feel free to reply here or via PM.  Thanks in advance!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

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Thanks for the reply! Just found out that shipping MAY be too expensive.  Found 
an online price of about $40 shipped, brand new.  Was naively hoping to spend 
less than that.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

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Thanks for the offer, Darin.  Will try to get a set of 44s first.  May need to 
hang on to my 46s but will keep you in mind!

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[RBW] WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

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Hi Doug,

Will reply to you personally.  Trying to figure out how to do that right now.  
Thank you!

Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: Sam

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Thanks for sharing those pictures.  For some reason, I thought you got a 
Rosco?  Happy to know you have a Sam!

Ride Safely.
Beaverton Bob

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
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> Sam and I on a route today with pretty flowers in the country.
>

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[RBW] Flying with Bike on Southwest

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Thank you for supporting John and Rivelo.  A great guy and a great shop!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: Let's hear it for the blue Hubbuhubbuhs

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That is a nice photo gallery of a beautiful bike.  Now I want one too. 
 Need to convince the wife!  Thank you for sharing.

One question:  Is that an 8-speed cassette?

Ride Safely,
Beaverton "Now Really Wants A Hubbuhubuh" Bob

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 11:45:41 AM UTC-7, spru...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi. The orange, silver, and sage tandems seem to be well documented, but 
> the blue ones are sadly neglected. Here are a few pictures of mine. There 
> is nothing too radical about the build, but the Super Moto X tires push the 
> capacity of the Motolite brakes.
>
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ag4tr1xyXDYDg7pxGnI5571yakNijw
>
> I would like to add a rear rack eventually, but for now, the old Hobo bag 
> is working fine.
>
> Fun times.
>
> David Sprunger
> Fargo, ND
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

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I don't know who said it first:  "Buy the best, cry once."

Of course, a caveat, "best" is subjective.  I have found that statement to 
be true for many things:  hand tools, hiking/camping gear and clothing, eye 
and ear protection, my Rivendell, and a lot more items I will remember once 
I post this.

I am a dyed-in-the-wool cheapskate for a lot of other things, just to be 
clear.  Certainly not a fan of overspending for the most part.

Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

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Hi Carla, 

SHORT VERSION:  Get one, you will love it.  

LONG VERSION:  I also have a Sam Hillborne, 55cm size, 700c wheels.  Just 
bought it in 2016 from Rivelo here in Portland.  I got one of the Complete 
Drop-Bar bikes.  If it matters, they are now $100 less than when I bought 
mine, and I thought the original price was a good deal!  

I am a long-time roadie, and used to do triathlons semi-competitively.  I 
still have an older Cannondale, 54cm, essentially a typical race-oriented 
road bike.  I was looking for a do-it-all bike, one to basically ride and 
keep for life.  I wanted one to commute, ride a century on, and go on 
gravel or occasional singletrack.  Before I decided on the Sam, I 
considered other options.  I looked at titanium bikes, then seriously at a 
carbon(!) framed gravel bike with disc brakes.  However, I was always 
intrigued by Rivendells (since 2008 or so), and knew I had to at least try 
one.  Finally, I test-rode a Sam Hillborne.  It was a revelation.  The 
Hillborne I tried had Albatross bars, but it felt fun - like bike riding as 
a kid!  

I first wanted an A Homer Hilsen, but the more all-around nature of the 
Hillborne won me over.  The price was more affordable as well.  I went with 
the Complete Drop-Bar bike.  It had what I thought were pretty wide 
handlebars, 46cm bars for the 55cm frame size.  In comparison, my Cannonade 
has 40cm bars, and I thought those fit me well.  I got used to the wider 
bars quickly.  I also got Grip King pedals, my first platform pedals since 
childhood.  They were also a pleasant surprise.  I now recommend platform 
pedals to all my cycling friends.  No more looking for shoes, just hop on 
the bike and ride in whatever shoes you are wearing.

At this time, all my rides have been less than 1.5 hours.  I have the bike 
set-up in pretty much typical Rivendell fashion.  I have fenders, a stand, 
a rear rack, bell, lights, etc.  I really only feel the extra weight when 
riding uphill.  The bike feels very stable, and a lot of fun to ride.  In 
comparison to my "road" bike, I particularly like the wider tires and the 
full fenders.  I still have mixed thoughts on the non-indexed bar-end 
shifters (I am so used to brifters and indexed downtube shifters), but I 
really like the triple crank.  

I am thinking of trying out a mustache handlebar next and looking forward 
to some gravel or off-road riding this Spring.  FWIW, I have not ridden my 
Cannonade since getting my Sam.  I still intend to keep both bikes, and I 
am currently building up a vintage steel (lugged) rigid 26" MTB.

As long as you know what the Sam Hillborne is, and isn't, I really think 
you will enjoy it.  Whatever Rivendell you decide to get, you will find 
yourself riding more than ever.  I am certainly glad I got mine.  Hope that 
helps.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 4:18:50 PM UTC-8, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Hello Sam owners I'm thinking about purchasing a Sam for retirement partly 
> price mostly because it's a Rivendell and lugged. I have one other bike 
> it's a custom 650B and I know the Sam is a 700c. Ideas? Thoughts? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: HubbuHubbuH - First Loaded Tour

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Thank you for sharing.  I am definitely happy for you guys.  We have two 
young kids too, so hopefully someday...

Ride Safely,
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[RBW] Re: Headbadge Poster Update - Help Needed

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If a poster exists, or WILL exist, I would like one too!

Or I can buy one from Rivelo,if they might sell it in the future (shameless 
plug, I know).

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-built-custom/6238145416.html

Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion! 
 In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit 
the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test 
ride:  ME.

I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 54cm 
Cannondale R400.

But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I already 
have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob 
(Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

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Hi Paul,

I was in your situation last October.  I wanted an AHH, but knew about the 
Sam.  What solved the dilemma for me was going to Rivelo in Portland, and 
trying out the Sam.  One ride, and I was sold.  It is as good as everyone 
here says it is.  To be fair, I never tried an AHH, but now I do not want 
to.

Some caveats:
1.  I AM in the middle of the PBH range, for the 55cm sam, it is 82-87cm. 
 My PBH is 85-86cm.  
2.  I have a "road" bike that I still rarely use, an older Cannondale R400. 
 Would I have just ONE bike?  Maybe not, but if I had to keep just one, it 
would be the Sam.

My Sam is set-up as a do-it-all, with racks and fenders, a front basket, 
and it IS used as a daily (short distance) commuter.  However, when it is 
time to ride for fun on the weekends, it is still what I choose.  No 
worries about potholes, short gravel sections, and water puddles (because 
sometimes it rains in Portland).  

As for how to set it up, I will echo the sentiments here: the stock Riv 
setup is solid.  I changed some parts, but the drivetrain is stock.  Even 
the 46(!) cm bars are still there.  I have a narrow chest and my road bike 
has 40cm bars.  I have decided to keep the 46cm bars though, since they DO 
make sprinting out of the saddle much better.  The stock Kwick Tendril 
tires are also quite good.

No regrets at all with this purchase.  And in case you are wondering, it 
can go as fast as I can.  The weight is only noticeable going uphill, but 
worth it for the amazing ride quality.

I tried to post a picture using my phone, but couldn't.  PM me your cell 
number and I can definitely send you a picture.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: S24O C&O Canal

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Weth,

Thanks for sharing!  I really like reading these ride reports, and the 
photos made it even more enjoyable.  Makes me wish I could start doing 
these with my own kids.  We've gone hiking and car camping, but not (yet) 
backpacking or bikepacking.  I hope my Hillborne has a stable-mate by then.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks "customer service"

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Austin ^ and MountNormal,

You guys are gonna get me in trouble!  Those Crivets are just the right 
custom touch, and also just too expensive to justify.  Now that I've gotten 
used to my C15 (and it has ever-so-slightly broken-in), I'm thinking of 
getting some colored rivets.  Argh!

Jay in Tel Aviv, maybe you have Crivets in your future.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: When a Riv is out of reach..

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Mark in Beacon,

What is ROOR?

I googled it, and this is what I saw: "*RooR* is a Frankenthal-based 
company that produces high-end borosilicate jointed-glass bongs. It was 
founded 1995 by Martin Birzle, a German glass-blower.

Don't think that's what you meant.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] PSA: Bridgestone in Bridgetown

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You guys can decide on the asking price, but the frame looks to be in 
superb shape!

https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/vintage-89-bridgestone/6324791564.html

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: PSA... $1800 Atlantis Complete

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Buy that bike, then buy this one too, for the wife (and yourself)!

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/tandem-kuwahara-21x20-japan/6325728736.html

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob


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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

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Thanks for the suggestion, John, definitely looking at the Sutton.  I wish 
the vents could be closed, but they are small enough not to let in too much 
rain.

And, in my opinion, the premium cost of MIPS is well worth the added 
rotational protection the system is designed to provide.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Are you an "Oscar," or a "Felix" bike rider?

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I am definitely a Felix.  Showed off my daily commuter (a Hillborne) at work, 
and the cyclist who saw it couldn't believe how clean it was.

I now have 5 bikes that are always ready to ride, kept relatively clean and 
reasonably maintained.  However, I am also a fan of beusage and my bikes have 
battle scars and honest wear.  I do my bike maintenance at home, except for 
frame work and headset installation.

SHORT STORY: I remember I once saw our village handyman/gardener in the 
Philippines meticulously cleaning his bike.  I told my Dad about it and he told 
me that if I couldn't afford another bike, I would clean mine just as well.  
Ouch!

I am the same with my cars (just maintaining, NOT washing), and I almost all 
oil changes and tire rotations myself.  Used to have a '74 Karmann Ghia that my 
Dad and I used to work on too.  Also wax and shine my leather shoes...

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

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I don't think anyone would get tired of posts such as yours.  It's too bad 
we are a virtual community, it would be really nice to watch the "finish".  

On behalf of all here, we are vicariously with you at the line.  

And to even think of PBP 2019, wow!  I am impressed and look forward to 
hearing about that too.  Thank you for this very interesting journey.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

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Deacon Patrick,

I am very curious, how do you set-up the action shots with YOU in it.  I 
can think of several possibilities, but would like to ask the expert 
instead.  PM me if this is a trade secret.

Great pictures, as goes without saying.

Thanks!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: Found Stolen Riv in LA - Help me find the owner!

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Philip,

You are a good man.  I have always told my wife I need to be ready to buy a 
bike if I saw it being sold and figured it was stolen.  Am happy you acted 
quickly.

May I suggest asking the potential true owner for certain details about the 
bike, such as scratches and dents, or details on tires, gearing, etc.  It 
shouldn't be too hard to prove someone owns a bike, if they use it fairly 
regularly.  You can also ask them about "feature" that the bike does NOT 
truly have, and they should know it doesn't exist.

Good luck finding the owner!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 3:25:16 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> I suppose the other question is what kind of proof of ownership would be 
> adequate. 

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