Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Lorne Tyndale]

Gerard,

Are there any errors in /var/log/messages ?

Based on your troubleshooting with sound cards, it could be a sample
rate issue - especially if you happen to be using an onboard-sound with
intel-based chipset.  Sometimes the Rivendell daemons experience a
sample-rate mismatch with the intel chipsets, causing things to not work
properly.  The answer is to set the rate in the /etc/asound.conf file. 
This has been discussed before, but most recently back in February. 
See:

http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/pipermail/rivendell-dev/2016-February/023877.html

Also note that any time you make changes with either rdalsaconfig or by
editing the asound.conf file directly, those changes will not take
effect until you restart the Rivendell daemons.

Have you checked to make sure the sound card itself isn't muted or
turned down in alsamixer?

I also notice that in your message there is a mention of Jack ports. 
Are you trying to use Jack, ALSA, or both for your audio output?

And what audio resources are showing up in rdadmin?



> 
> Well cowboy as it turns out it wasn't a fundament error in the user ... ie me 
> I am a newbie but not to computing and the radio station I am hoping to use 
> this system in  is a charity run by volunteers so its learn or not use the 
> system !
> 
> Update and maybe some helpful news 
> 
> So I did a clean appliance (6.6 plus 2.5.5)  install tested fine rebooted 
> tested fine (I filmed it all)
> Installed the update rivendell 2.14.1-1 only nothing more went in to admin 
> next  then in to rdairplay loaded the test tone it bummed out  it didn’t play 
> the tone  closed Rivendell then tried to open rdairplay again daemons again 
> so I changed the sound card output to a different one in rdalsaconfig it 
> showed 3 analog sound devices no 1 to 3 all on the same irq
> 
> Used service Rivendell stop then start ... it worked it said ok ! 
> 
> Went into rdairplay loaded test tone ... it played but I had no sound I tried 
> all the jack sockets on the board but no sound 
> 
> So I plugged in an old Microsoft sound system 80 via usb changed the setting 
> rdalsaconfig to the system 80 and then tried to play the test tone I got the 
> Frozen RDairplay  (never had that before) I took the option to kill Rivendell 
> then did a service Rivendell stop then start  and hay presto test tone works 
> I have sound 
> 
> So it would seam that the 2.14.1-1 dose something to the sound card settings 
> when it updates and I would guess that it doesn't upset the sound card if 
> it’s a ASI one and why it dosent show up for some people 
> 
> lets face it no one running a test system is going to go out and buy an ASI 
> sound card until they know they need it and they are going to use Rivendell, 
> I would have a very hard time getting the committee to release the funds to 
> buy an ASI card full stop ...  
> 
> Hope this helps all 
> 
> Gerard
> 
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> Sent: 27 June 2016 22:31
> To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...
> 
> On Monday 27 June 2016 04:26:12 pm Gerard wrote:
> > "yum update Rivendell"  said yes when needed on the update Then did 
> > nothing at all apart from shut  centos 6.6 down switched pc off then 
> > on again then tried to open rdairplay ... daemons failed this says to 
> > me that there is a fundamental error in the appliance ver V Rivendell 
> > 2.14.1
> 
>  No, that's a fundamental error in the user not doing what has been stated,  
> and restated time and time again.
> 
>  After the update, but before any attempt to run it, you must open  rdadmin 
> and do nothing, so that it can automagically correct/update  the database to 
> something runable.
> 
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Gerard]

Well cowboy as it turns out it wasn't a fundament error in the user ... ie me I 
am a newbie but not to computing and the radio station I am hoping to use this 
system in  is a charity run by volunteers so its learn or not use the system !

Update and maybe some helpful news 

So I did a clean appliance (6.6 plus 2.5.5)  install tested fine rebooted 
tested fine (I filmed it all)
Installed the update rivendell 2.14.1-1 only nothing more went in to admin next 
 then in to rdairplay loaded the test tone it bummed out  it didn’t play the 
tone  closed Rivendell then tried to open rdairplay again daemons again so I 
changed the sound card output to a different one in rdalsaconfig it showed 3 
analog sound devices no 1 to 3 all on the same irq

Used service Rivendell stop then start ... it worked it said ok ! 

Went into rdairplay loaded test tone ... it played but I had no sound I tried 
all the jack sockets on the board but no sound 

So I plugged in an old Microsoft sound system 80 via usb changed the setting 
rdalsaconfig to the system 80 and then tried to play the test tone I got the 
Frozen RDairplay  (never had that before) I took the option to kill Rivendell 
then did a service Rivendell stop then start  and hay presto test tone works I 
have sound 

So it would seam that the 2.14.1-1 dose something to the sound card settings 
when it updates and I would guess that it doesn't upset the sound card if it’s 
a ASI one and why it dosent show up for some people 

lets face it no one running a test system is going to go out and buy an ASI 
sound card until they know they need it and they are going to use Rivendell, I 
would have a very hard time getting the committee to release the funds to buy 
an ASI card full stop ...  

Hope this helps all 

Gerard

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Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

On Monday 27 June 2016 04:26:12 pm Gerard wrote:
> "yum update Rivendell"  said yes when needed on the update Then did 
> nothing at all apart from shut  centos 6.6 down switched pc off then 
> on again then tried to open rdairplay ... daemons failed this says to 
> me that there is a fundamental error in the appliance ver V Rivendell 
> 2.14.1

 No, that's a fundamental error in the user not doing what has been stated,  
and restated time and time again.

 After the update, but before any attempt to run it, you must open  rdadmin and 
do nothing, so that it can automagically correct/update  the database to 
something runable.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 27, 2016, at 22:21, drew Roberts  wrote:

> Given that this is the case and since it does not seem like it is a problem 
> that will go away, is there a safe way to have rivendell make this check and 
> run the rdadmin bits automatically on such an upgrade?

Schema updates are handled automatically by rpm(8) every time an updated 
Rivendell RPM is applied and have been for many years.  While it certainly 
won’t hurt to run RDAdmin after such, it’s not really necessary *in those 
cases*.  I emphasize that last because there are many ways out there to install 
and update Rivendell, some on platforms that do not support RPM at all. This is 
why we put that warning about running RDAdmin after updates in every release 
announcement.


> How can such automation of the database upgrade blow things up horribly and 
> thus make this a terrible idea? 

I’m far from convinced that the database update *per se* is blowing anything 
up, on the basis of the many sites that have made transition to v2.14.1 without 
incident as well as my own tests here.  I suspect that we may have a confluence 
of factors operating: upgrade to CentOS 6.8, *along with* upgrade to Rivendell 
v2.14.1, *along with* ALSA sound setups.  I’ve not been able to reproduce this 
problem here at all.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Michael Barnes]

Sounds like you're needlessly complicating things to accommodate people who
aren't able to follow well established instructions.
On Jun 28, 2016 7:33 AM, "drew Roberts"  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Cowboy  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:21:31 -0400
>> drew Roberts  wrote:
>>
>> > is there a safe way to have rivendell make this check
>> > and run the rdadmin bits automatically on such an upgrade?
>> >
>> > How can such automation of the database upgrade blow things up
>> > horribly and thus make this a terrible idea?
>>
>>  Submitted for your approval
>>
>
> ~;-) Right.
>
>>
>>  Take a plant like mine, or any cluster really...
>>
>>  Say, I were to walk in and see that TV production is not currently
>>  being used, so do an upgrade there.
>>  The system auto-detects an obsolete database for itself, and does the
>>  auto-update you suggest. That database lives on a redundant hot-standby
>>  pair of servers serving the whole plant.
>>
>>  What about the other 8 or so radio installations here, that all use
>>  the same database ? OK, some of them could crash horribly, and it
>>  wouldn't be fatal, but the live network feeds could potentially affect
>>  several hundred professional broadcast facilities across the country,
>>  and in our case across continents ( plural ), that pay us good money
>>  for that to not happen.
>>
>>  Better, would be for the upgraded install to throw up a warning
>>  that the configured database is obsolete, so functionality
>>  may be limited, as well as un-squashing bugs, if it'll start at all.
>>
>>  But in the final analysis, Rivendell is a *professional* broadcast
>>  play-out system, by and **for** professionals.
>>  In a professional environment, particularly one of a level that
>>  requires an actual, real system administrator, to actually administer
>>  systems, some things should not be automated, IMHO.
>>
>
> I am more trying to reduce the noise on the lists where time is spent
> helping with the same problems over the years. So, while I agree that some
> things should not be automated, we are running these systems on computers
> and it seems to make some sense to try and automate what can safely be
> automated.
>
> So, perhaps a Standalone/Networked flag/config option could solve that.
>
> Let's say on initial setup it asks if this is a standalone or networked
> setup. If standalone, it further asks if you want auto or manual database
> upgrades and explains once again what happens if you choose manual or auto.
>
> If it is a standalone system and auto db upgrades were chosen, it can
> auto-backup db and then auto-upgrade on first startup after any update that
> changes db version.
>
> Would that break any standalone systems?
>
>
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>>
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>>
>> all the best,
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[drew Roberts]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Cowboy  wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:21:31 -0400
> drew Roberts  wrote:
>
> > is there a safe way to have rivendell make this check
> > and run the rdadmin bits automatically on such an upgrade?
> >
> > How can such automation of the database upgrade blow things up
> > horribly and thus make this a terrible idea?
>
>  Submitted for your approval
>

~;-) Right.

>
>  Take a plant like mine, or any cluster really...
>
>  Say, I were to walk in and see that TV production is not currently
>  being used, so do an upgrade there.
>  The system auto-detects an obsolete database for itself, and does the
>  auto-update you suggest. That database lives on a redundant hot-standby
>  pair of servers serving the whole plant.
>
>  What about the other 8 or so radio installations here, that all use
>  the same database ? OK, some of them could crash horribly, and it
>  wouldn't be fatal, but the live network feeds could potentially affect
>  several hundred professional broadcast facilities across the country,
>  and in our case across continents ( plural ), that pay us good money
>  for that to not happen.
>
>  Better, would be for the upgraded install to throw up a warning
>  that the configured database is obsolete, so functionality
>  may be limited, as well as un-squashing bugs, if it'll start at all.
>
>  But in the final analysis, Rivendell is a *professional* broadcast
>  play-out system, by and **for** professionals.
>  In a professional environment, particularly one of a level that
>  requires an actual, real system administrator, to actually administer
>  systems, some things should not be automated, IMHO.
>

I am more trying to reduce the noise on the lists where time is spent
helping with the same problems over the years. So, while I agree that some
things should not be automated, we are running these systems on computers
and it seems to make some sense to try and automate what can safely be
automated.

So, perhaps a Standalone/Networked flag/config option could solve that.

Let's say on initial setup it asks if this is a standalone or networked
setup. If standalone, it further asks if you want auto or manual database
upgrades and explains once again what happens if you choose manual or auto.

If it is a standalone system and auto db upgrades were chosen, it can
auto-backup db and then auto-upgrade on first startup after any update that
changes db version.

Would that break any standalone systems?


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>
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> all the best,

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:21:31 -0400
drew Roberts  wrote:

> is there a safe way to have rivendell make this check
> and run the rdadmin bits automatically on such an upgrade?
> 
> How can such automation of the database upgrade blow things up
> horribly and thus make this a terrible idea?

 Submitted for your approval

 Take a plant like mine, or any cluster really...

 Say, I were to walk in and see that TV production is not currently
 being used, so do an upgrade there.
 The system auto-detects an obsolete database for itself, and does the
 auto-update you suggest. That database lives on a redundant hot-standby
 pair of servers serving the whole plant.

 What about the other 8 or so radio installations here, that all use
 the same database ? OK, some of them could crash horribly, and it
 wouldn't be fatal, but the live network feeds could potentially affect
 several hundred professional broadcast facilities across the country,
 and in our case across continents ( plural ), that pay us good money
 for that to not happen.

 Better, would be for the upgraded install to throw up a warning
 that the configured database is obsolete, so functionality
 may be limited, as well as un-squashing bugs, if it'll start at all.

 But in the final analysis, Rivendell is a *professional* broadcast
 play-out system, by and **for** professionals.
 In a professional environment, particularly one of a level that
 requires an actual, real system administrator, to actually administer
 systems, some things should not be automated, IMHO.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[drew Roberts]

Cowboy,

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Cowboy  wrote:

> On Monday 27 June 2016 04:26:12 pm Gerard wrote:
> > "yum update Rivendell"  said yes when needed on the update
> > Then did nothing at all apart from shut  centos 6.6 down switched pc off
> then on again then tried to open rdairplay ... daemons failed
> > this says to me that there is a fundamental error in the appliance ver V
> Rivendell 2.14.1
>
>  No, that's a fundamental error in the user not doing what has been stated,
>  and restated time and time again.
>

Given that this is the case and since it does not seem like it is a problem
that will go away, is there a safe way to have rivendell make this check
and run the rdadmin bits automatically on such an upgrade?

How can such automation of the database upgrade blow things up horribly and
thus make this a terrible idea?

drew


>  After the update, but before any attempt to run it, you must open
>  rdadmin and do nothing, so that it can automagically correct/update
>  the database to something runable.
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Monday 27 June 2016 04:26:12 pm Gerard wrote:
> "yum update Rivendell"  said yes when needed on the update 
> Then did nothing at all apart from shut  centos 6.6 down switched pc off then 
> on again then tried to open rdairplay ... daemons failed
> this says to me that there is a fundamental error in the appliance ver V 
> Rivendell 2.14.1

 No, that's a fundamental error in the user not doing what has been stated,
 and restated time and time again.

 After the update, but before any attempt to run it, you must open
 rdadmin and do nothing, so that it can automagically correct/update
 the database to something runable.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Robert Jeffares]

Gerard,
after the update did you open rdadmin?
Rivendell>Configuration>RDadmin user admin password [blank]
This is a requirement after an update which initializes [for want of a 
better word/description] the updated files.

I always click on 'System Info' to see what version of the schema I have.
On a vanilla install [no hostname change] this is all you need.

Several Appliance installs here and the update process works every time.

regards

Robert

On 28/06/16 08:26, Gerard wrote:

Today I went back to basics wiped hd re installed the current appliance ver 

Did nothing at all apart from open rdairplay  and play the test tone it worked 
fine

Then I opened a terminal input su input the password then "yum update 
Rivendell"  said yes when needed on the update

Then did nothing at all apart from shut  centos 6.6 down switched pc off then 
on again then tried to open rdairplay ... daemons failed

this says to me that there is a fundamental error in the appliance ver V 
Rivendell 2.14.1

I did nothing at all to the test system apart from above stated !



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To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:20:27 -0400
Fred Gleason  wrote:


Everything does work ‘out of the box’, with the versions that were
current at the time the DVD image was authored.  For later versions,
run the updater.

  For what it's worth

  My practice, since my appliance CD is a few versions back but still  a CentOS 
6.x DVD, is to install the appliance from that DVD pure stock.
  Then run
  yum update
  which auto-updates everything.
  Then, configure anything that needs configured and wasn't a requirement  of 
the install itself.
  In order for update to work, the system needs the network, so I do that  
during the install, but almost nothing else until after the update  completes.


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Gerard]

Today I went back to basics wiped hd re installed the current appliance ver 

Did nothing at all apart from open rdairplay  and play the test tone it worked 
fine 

Then I opened a terminal input su input the password then "yum update 
Rivendell"  said yes when needed on the update 

Then did nothing at all apart from shut  centos 6.6 down switched pc off then 
on again then tried to open rdairplay ... daemons failed

this says to me that there is a fundamental error in the appliance ver V 
Rivendell 2.14.1 

I did nothing at all to the test system apart from above stated !



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On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:20:27 -0400
Fred Gleason  wrote:

> Everything does work ‘out of the box’, with the versions that were 
> current at the time the DVD image was authored.  For later versions, 
> run the updater.

 For what it's worth

 My practice, since my appliance CD is a few versions back but still  a CentOS 
6.x DVD, is to install the appliance from that DVD pure stock.
 Then run
 yum update
 which auto-updates everything.
 Then, configure anything that needs configured and wasn't a requirement  of 
the install itself.
 In order for update to work, the system needs the network, so I do that  
during the install, but almost nothing else until after the update  completes.


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Tom Van Gorkom]

My observation is that gam_server only shows up on the clients. We're using
NFS to mount the file shares. I wonder if it's connected with that.

My problem with the appliance install was using a 6 yr old box and the MB
sound instead of a sound card. Riv didn't like the sound config. After
configuring asound.config, it would run riv but not allow audio. Not sure
if that was permissions or still sound card issues. I don't want to spend a
lot of time on an old box but was going to use it as a stand alone
alternate audio when updating the main airplay. It would normally be what
they use for internet, phone screening, etc. I will either get another
sound card or buy a simple new box.

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Cell: 865-803-7427

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Seth Stevenson  wrote:

> Ok Fred, it turned out to be a the sound card issue that tom reported. I
> added rate 48000 to around.conf and it worked. It was saying something
> about 96000 not being found. No idea why that was a problem
> .
> On Jun 24, 2016 9:30 AM, "Fred Gleason"  wrote:
>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 21:21, rcflye...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I tried a fresh install tonight. The appliance version is of rivendell is
>> 2.5.5 and centos 6.6. The first thing I did was yum update then rdadmin. It
>> worked, then I rebooted and daemons won't start. The upgrade was to centos
>> 6.8 and rivendell 2.14.1. I tried the sound card amendment and that didn't
>> help. Something is breaking, but I don't know what.
>>
>>
>> Did you reboot the system after doing the update?  That update includes
>> new kernel and glibc versions; a reboot will be needed before things will
>> work properly.
>>
>> FWIW, I just tried something very similar here: installed Appliance
>> 6.6.5.1.  That installed CentOS 6.5 and Rivendell 2.5.5.  Rivendell worked
>> fine.  Did a full update.  Rebooted.  Got CentOS 6.8.  Rivendell was
>> updated to v2.14.1, and still works fine.  And, no trace of ‘gam_server’
>> here either.
>>
>> Something’s not adding up somewhere.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Seth Stevenson]

Ok Fred, it turned out to be a the sound card issue that tom reported. I
added rate 48000 to around.conf and it worked. It was saying something
about 96000 not being found. No idea why that was a problem
.
On Jun 24, 2016 9:30 AM, "Fred Gleason"  wrote:

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 21:21, rcflye...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I tried a fresh install tonight. The appliance version is of rivendell is
> 2.5.5 and centos 6.6. The first thing I did was yum update then rdadmin. It
> worked, then I rebooted and daemons won't start. The upgrade was to centos
> 6.8 and rivendell 2.14.1. I tried the sound card amendment and that didn't
> help. Something is breaking, but I don't know what.
>
>
> Did you reboot the system after doing the update?  That update includes
> new kernel and glibc versions; a reboot will be needed before things will
> work properly.
>
> FWIW, I just tried something very similar here: installed Appliance
> 6.6.5.1.  That installed CentOS 6.5 and Rivendell 2.5.5.  Rivendell worked
> fine.  Did a full update.  Rebooted.  Got CentOS 6.8.  Rivendell was
> updated to v2.14.1, and still works fine.  And, no trace of ‘gam_server’
> here either.
>
> Something’s not adding up somewhere.
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 23, 2016, at 21:21, rcflye...@gmail.com wrote:

> I tried a fresh install tonight. The appliance version is of rivendell is 
> 2.5.5 and centos 6.6. The first thing I did was yum update then rdadmin. It 
> worked, then I rebooted and daemons won't start. The upgrade was to centos 
> 6.8 and rivendell 2.14.1. I tried the sound card amendment and that didn't 
> help. Something is breaking, but I don't know what. 

Did you reboot the system after doing the update?  That update includes new 
kernel and glibc versions; a reboot will be needed before things will work 
properly.

FWIW, I just tried something very similar here: installed Appliance 6.6.5.1.  
That installed CentOS 6.5 and Rivendell 2.5.5.  Rivendell worked fine.  Did a 
full update.  Rebooted.  Got CentOS 6.8.  Rivendell was updated to v2.14.1, and 
still works fine.  And, no trace of ‘gam_server’ here either.

Something’s not adding up somewhere.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[rcflyer30]

I tried a fresh install tonight. The appliance version is of rivendell is 2.5.5 
and centos 6.6. The first thing I did was yum update then rdadmin. It worked, 
then I rebooted and daemons won't start. The upgrade was to centos 6.8 and 
rivendell 2.14.1. I tried the sound card amendment and that didn't help. 
Something is breaking, but I don't know what. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Tom Van Gorkom  wrote:
> 
> OK, it's a hardware (sound card) issue. I looked at /var/log/messages and 
> found a sample rate mis-match so added "rate 48000" to the end of the 
> /etc/asound.conf file. You can find the discussion and solution in a thread 
> early in Feb 2016.  Now I must have permission issues because the Library 
> won't let me see the test tone and grays out most of the buttons.
> 
> I usually install the appliance on newer computers and usually with ASI sound 
> cards so this one has special challenges.
> 
> Tom Van Gorkom
> Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
> Office: 956-380-8150   
> Cell: 865-803-7427
> 
> Rio Grande Bible Institute
> 4300 S US Hwy 281
> Edinburg, TX 78539
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Seth Stevenson  wrote:
>> This was my issue. I wonder if you do the update and then start rdadmin if 
>> it would work. I'll do a reinstall tonight and find out. 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Tom Van Gorkom  
>>> wrote:
>>> I spoke too soon. I forgot to reboot after all the updates. Now Rivendell 
>>> daemons fail to start. 
>>> Mysql works fine.
>>> Can stop rivendell service but when start it, if fails.  Where should I 
>>> look? Some update broke it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tom Van Gorkom
>>> Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
>>> Office: 956-380-8150   
>>> Cell: 865-803-7427
>>> 
>>> Rio Grande Bible Institute
>>> 4300 S US Hwy 281
>>> Edinburg, TX 78539
>>> 
 On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Gorkom  
 wrote:
 Back on the appliance install...  I just installed from the appliance DVD 
 2.6.6-x86_64iso. As soon as it installed and rebooted, I ran RDAdmin 
 before updating anything and it ran fine. I then ran updates for 
 everything from the terminal and it still works fine. Perhaps the key now 
 is to be sure to run RDAmin before updating... or it was just a fluke that 
 doing it all at once before running RDAdmin failed to start Riv daemons 
 the other day. 
 
 For what it's worth.
 
 Tom Van Gorkom
 Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
 Office: 956-380-8150   
 Cell: 865-803-7427
 
 Rio Grande Bible Institute
 4300 S US Hwy 281
 Edinburg, TX 78539
 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cowboy  wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
> 
> > Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian?
> 
>  Um
>  Because Ubuntu is more like M$ Windows than Debian is ?
> 
>  I dunno, but it certainly appears Ubuntu is a whole lot
>  more "because we can" than I'd ever think about using
>  on a revenue stream.
>  Just sayin' 
> 
>  It's certainly popular. ( but so is M$ Windows )
> 
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Wayne Merricks]

I usually have Ubuntu 14.04 Server which is probably not much different 
to Debian 8.  I don't use 16.04 for anything critical in house but 
someone on the list wanted to use Rivendell on it and I didn't think it 
would be too difficult to sort out (it isn't but the MySQL date/time 
changes were unexpected and I still don't know why fonts won't respect 
system settings).


I do have one exception, I use Mattermost for show message aggregation 
(Email, Phones, Facebook and Twitter), it actually requires MySQL 5.6 or 
5.7 for some stupid reason so that was my first foray into lets upgrade 
14.04 oh crap everything broke (seriously everything, apache, mysql and 
php all failed and thats all I had on this internal web server/dev 
machine).  It was fairly trivial to fix but it certainly wasn't 
something I expected to die.


In the past newer kernels for hardware support on client machines are 
usually the only other reason I've used Ubuntu.


Mattermost is here if you want to check it out: 
http://www.mattermost.org.  It is meant to be some sort of internal work 
chat thing instead of using emails but I found it more useful as a radio 
presenter aggregation screen.


I installed an XMPP (Phones) and Email plugin.  Then wrote my own one 
for Facebook, it has really helped save us from death by dozens of 
screens (Rivendell, Email, Facebook/Social, Phones, Video Mixing + 
Autocue and random web site stuff for show purposes can eat through 5+ 
screens very easily).


On 2016-06-23 19:20, Rob Landry wrote:


Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian? For a mission-critical
application like radio automation, I prefer to rely on a more
conservative distribution that might not have the latest bells and
whistles but is rock stable. Debian 8 is still on mysql 5.5.


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Tom Van Gorkom]

OK, it's a hardware (sound card) issue. I looked at /var/log/messages and
found a sample rate mis-match so added "rate 48000" to the end of the
/etc/asound.conf file. You can find the discussion and solution in a thread
early in Feb 2016.  Now I must have permission issues because the Library
won't let me see the test tone and grays out most of the buttons.

I usually install the appliance on newer computers and usually with ASI
sound cards so this one has special challenges.

Tom Van Gorkom
Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
Office: 956-380-8150
Cell: 865-803-7427

Rio Grande Bible Institute
4300 S US Hwy 281
Edinburg, TX 78539

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Seth Stevenson  wrote:

> This was my issue. I wonder if you do the update and then start rdadmin if
> it would work. I'll do a reinstall tonight and find out.
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Tom Van Gorkom 
> wrote:
>
>> I spoke too soon. I forgot to reboot after all the updates. Now Rivendell
>> daemons fail to start.
>> Mysql works fine.
>> Can stop rivendell service but when start it, if fails.  Where should I
>> look? Some update broke it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Van Gorkom
>> Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
>> Office: 956-380-8150
>> Cell: 865-803-7427
>>
>> Rio Grande Bible Institute
>> 4300 S US Hwy 281
>> Edinburg, TX 78539
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Gorkom 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Back on the appliance install...  I just installed from the appliance
>>> DVD 2.6.6-x86_64iso. As soon as it installed and rebooted, I ran RDAdmin
>>> before updating anything and it ran fine. I then ran updates for everything
>>> from the terminal and it still works fine. Perhaps the key now is to be
>>> sure to run RDAmin before updating... or it was just a fluke that doing it
>>> all at once before running RDAdmin failed to start Riv daemons the other
>>> day.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth.
>>>
>>> Tom Van Gorkom
>>> Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
>>> Office: 956-380-8150
>>> Cell: 865-803-7427
>>>
>>> Rio Grande Bible Institute
>>> 4300 S US Hwy 281
>>> Edinburg, TX 78539
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cowboy  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
 Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

 > Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian?

  Um
  Because Ubuntu is more like M$ Windows than Debian is ?

  I dunno, but it certainly appears Ubuntu is a whole lot
  more "because we can" than I'd ever think about using
  on a revenue stream.
  Just sayin' 

  It's certainly popular. ( but so is M$ Windows )

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Seth Stevenson]

This was my issue. I wonder if you do the update and then start rdadmin if
it would work. I'll do a reinstall tonight and find out.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Tom Van Gorkom 
wrote:

> I spoke too soon. I forgot to reboot after all the updates. Now Rivendell
> daemons fail to start.
> Mysql works fine.
> Can stop rivendell service but when start it, if fails.  Where should I
> look? Some update broke it.
>
>
>
> Tom Van Gorkom
> Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
> Office: 956-380-8150
> Cell: 865-803-7427
>
> Rio Grande Bible Institute
> 4300 S US Hwy 281
> Edinburg, TX 78539
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Gorkom 
> wrote:
>
>> Back on the appliance install...  I just installed from the appliance DVD
>> 2.6.6-x86_64iso. As soon as it installed and rebooted, I ran RDAdmin before
>> updating anything and it ran fine. I then ran updates for everything from
>> the terminal and it still works fine. Perhaps the key now is to be sure to
>> run RDAmin before updating... or it was just a fluke that doing it all at
>> once before running RDAdmin failed to start Riv daemons the other day.
>>
>> For what it's worth.
>>
>> Tom Van Gorkom
>> Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
>> Office: 956-380-8150
>> Cell: 865-803-7427
>>
>> Rio Grande Bible Institute
>> 4300 S US Hwy 281
>> Edinburg, TX 78539
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cowboy  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian?
>>>
>>>  Um
>>>  Because Ubuntu is more like M$ Windows than Debian is ?
>>>
>>>  I dunno, but it certainly appears Ubuntu is a whole lot
>>>  more "because we can" than I'd ever think about using
>>>  on a revenue stream.
>>>  Just sayin' 
>>>
>>>  It's certainly popular. ( but so is M$ Windows )
>>>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Tom Van Gorkom]

I spoke too soon. I forgot to reboot after all the updates. Now Rivendell
daemons fail to start.
Mysql works fine.
Can stop rivendell service but when start it, if fails.  Where should I
look? Some update broke it.



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Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
Office: 956-380-8150
Cell: 865-803-7427

Rio Grande Bible Institute
4300 S US Hwy 281
Edinburg, TX 78539

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Gorkom 
wrote:

> Back on the appliance install...  I just installed from the appliance DVD
> 2.6.6-x86_64iso. As soon as it installed and rebooted, I ran RDAdmin before
> updating anything and it ran fine. I then ran updates for everything from
> the terminal and it still works fine. Perhaps the key now is to be sure to
> run RDAmin before updating... or it was just a fluke that doing it all at
> once before running RDAdmin failed to start Riv daemons the other day.
>
> For what it's worth.
>
> Tom Van Gorkom
> Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
> Office: 956-380-8150
> Cell: 865-803-7427
>
> Rio Grande Bible Institute
> 4300 S US Hwy 281
> Edinburg, TX 78539
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cowboy  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
>> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian?
>>
>>  Um
>>  Because Ubuntu is more like M$ Windows than Debian is ?
>>
>>  I dunno, but it certainly appears Ubuntu is a whole lot
>>  more "because we can" than I'd ever think about using
>>  on a revenue stream.
>>  Just sayin' 
>>
>>  It's certainly popular. ( but so is M$ Windows )
>>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Tom Van Gorkom]

Back on the appliance install...  I just installed from the appliance DVD
2.6.6-x86_64iso. As soon as it installed and rebooted, I ran RDAdmin before
updating anything and it ran fine. I then ran updates for everything from
the terminal and it still works fine. Perhaps the key now is to be sure to
run RDAmin before updating... or it was just a fluke that doing it all at
once before running RDAdmin failed to start Riv daemons the other day.

For what it's worth.

Tom Van Gorkom
Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
Office: 956-380-8150
Cell: 865-803-7427

Rio Grande Bible Institute
4300 S US Hwy 281
Edinburg, TX 78539

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cowboy  wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
> Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:
>
> > Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian?
>
>  Um
>  Because Ubuntu is more like M$ Windows than Debian is ?
>
>  I dunno, but it certainly appears Ubuntu is a whole lot
>  more "because we can" than I'd ever think about using
>  on a revenue stream.
>  Just sayin' 
>
>  It's certainly popular. ( but so is M$ Windows )
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

> Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian?

 Um
 Because Ubuntu is more like M$ Windows than Debian is ?

 I dunno, but it certainly appears Ubuntu is a whole lot
 more "because we can" than I'd ever think about using
 on a revenue stream.
 Just sayin' 

 It's certainly popular. ( but so is M$ Windows )

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Rob Landry]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2016, Fred Gleason wrote:


We do have a current known issue with MySQL 5.7.x, for which Wayne Merricks
has submitted fixes and which will appear in the next regular release.
 AFAICT, Ubuntu 16.04 is the only major distro that is currently shipping
that version.  It’s also been widely reported that that particular release
of Ubuntu has been experiencing lots of teething trouble in other areas as
well (which will doubtless be sorted in due course).  None of this affects
Broadcast Appliance setups in any way though.


Why do folks prefer Ubuntu to Debian? For a mission-critical application 
like radio automation, I prefer to rely on a more conservative 
distribution that might not have the latest bells and whistles but is rock 
stable. Debian 8 is still on mysql 5.5.



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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:20:27 -0400
Fred Gleason  wrote:

> Everything does work ‘out of the box’, with the versions that were
> current at the time the DVD image was authored.  For later versions,
> run the updater. 

 For what it's worth

 My practice, since my appliance CD is a few versions back but still
 a CentOS 6.x DVD, is to install the appliance from that DVD pure stock.
 Then run
 yum update
 which auto-updates everything.
 Then, configure anything that needs configured and wasn't a requirement
 of the install itself.
 In order for update to work, the system needs the network, so I do that
 during the install, but almost nothing else until after the update
 completes.


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 22, 2016, at 13:43, Seth Stevenson  wrote:

>  I guess I am looking for an update of the whole appliance dvd with 
> everything working together out of the box. 

Everything does work ‘out of the box’, with the versions that were current at 
the time the DVD image was authored.  For later versions, run the updater.  
This has been IT industry standard practice since the advent of the modern 
Internet some 20 years ago.


> The new version of rivendell doesn't work with mysql as I understand it, and 
> therefore doesn't work, therefore upgrading rivendell doesn't really help at 
> all.

Ok, let’s define some terms here.  What version of Rivendell?  What version of 
MySQL?  On what platform(s)?

FWIW, I currently have systems running Rivendell v2.14.1 on CentOS 7.2.1511 
with MariaDB 5.5.47-1, CentOS 6.8 with MySQL 5.1.73-3 and CentOS 5.11 with 
MySQL 5.0.95.  All use only stock CentOS packages (plus the Paravel packages 
for Rivendell), achieved by running the standard yum(8) update after 
installation.  All are working perfectly.

We do have a current known issue with MySQL 5.7.x, for which Wayne Merricks has 
submitted fixes and which will appear in the next regular release.  AFAICT, 
Ubuntu 16.04 is the only major distro that is currently shipping that version.  
It’s also been widely reported that that particular release of Ubuntu has been 
experiencing lots of teething trouble in other areas as well (which will 
doubtless be sorted in due course).  None of this affects Broadcast Appliance 
setups in any way though.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Frank White]

I hesistate to say anything since I am very far from being a Rivrndell
expert.  I have had the same issue before.  I found that mysql was not
running correctly.  One time I had changed the ip address and there was a
mysql file I had to delete.  Second time, the Rivendell database was
corrupt and I had to reinstall a good backup.  Now I will go back to just
reading and learning.

Frank White

On Thursday, June 23, 2016, Gerard  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:45:46 +0100
> "Gerard"  wrote:
>
>> I too have the same problems with daemons not starting after upgrade I
>> was determined that I would get my head round lunix and Rivendell this
>> time after several attempts and giving up
>
>
>  Depending on the OS and version...
>  First try
>  service rivendell restart
>  but it could be
>  service restart rivendell
>
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> Thanks cowboy that gives me something to go on below is the result off
starting and stopping anyone able to point me in the next direction
>
>  why dose it not say anymore than failed when I try to restart in root
(just wondering )
>
> On a side note it would be very usefull for us newbies if some one could
write a common list of commands like service Rivendell restart / stop and
yum update and yum update Rivendell things for common problems
>
> [rd@rdhost ~]$ service rivendell restart
> rdcleandirs: this program requires root permissions
> /etc/init.d/rivendell: line 65: /var/run/rivendell/jackd.pid: Permission
denied
> rdcatchd: aborting - multiple instances not allowedStarting Rivendell
system daemons
 [FAILED]
> [rd@rdhost ~]$ su
> Password:
> [root@rdhost rd]# service rivendell stop
> Stopping Rivendell system daemons  [  OK  ]
> [root@rdhost rd]# service rivendell restart
> Starting Rivendell system daemons  [FAILED]
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Gerard]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:45:46 +0100
"Gerard"  wrote:

> I too have the same problems with daemons not starting after upgrade I 
> was determined that I would get my head round lunix and Rivendell this 
> time after several attempts and giving up


 Depending on the OS and version...
 First try
 service rivendell restart
 but it could be
 service restart rivendell

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and stopping anyone able to point me in the next direction

 why dose it not say anymore than failed when I try to restart in root (just 
wondering )

On a side note it would be very usefull for us newbies if some one could write 
a common list of commands like service Rivendell restart / stop and yum update 
and yum update Rivendell things for common problems 

[rd@rdhost ~]$ service rivendell restart
rdcleandirs: this program requires root permissions
/etc/init.d/rivendell: line 65: /var/run/rivendell/jackd.pid: Permission denied
rdcatchd: aborting - multiple instances not allowedStarting Rivendell system 
daemons   [FAILED]
[rd@rdhost ~]$ su
Password: 
[root@rdhost rd]# service rivendell stop
Stopping Rivendell system daemons  [  OK  ]
[root@rdhost rd]# service rivendell restart
Starting Rivendell system daemons  [FAILED]
[root@rdhost rd]#
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Tom Van Gorkom]

I also just installed stand alone Rivendell from the appliance disk today
that has always worked for me but this time Rivendell daemons would not
start. I always run updates after initially installing - all 500+ of them
this time. It was on Dell i3 Inspiron 660. I haven't taken the time to
investigate. Thinking about re-installing.

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Cowboy  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 09:27:45 -0400
> Fred Gleason  wrote:
>
> > The first thing that should be done after installing *any* new OS is
> > to run the updater
>
>  I did that on windows once.
>  NEVER again !
>  ;)
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 09:27:45 -0400
Fred Gleason  wrote:

> The first thing that should be done after installing *any* new OS is
> to run the updater

 I did that on windows once.
 NEVER again !
 ;)

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alan Smith]

+1.

I guess it wasn't such a silly question afterall...

I know releasing "up to date" appliance disks is an effort in futility, 
akin to hitting a moving target while blindfolded, BUT...


On the next appliance refresh could you include a more recent (the most 
recent at the time?) version of RD.


THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!!!

-Alan

On 6/22/2016 12:43 PM, Seth Stevenson wrote:
Ok. But that only upgrades Rivendell and not mysql. That is where I 
ran into trouble. The new version of rivendell doesn't work with mysql 
as I understand it, and therefore doesn't work, therefore upgrading 
rivendell doesn't really help at all. I guess I am looking for an 
update of the whole appliance dvd with everything working together out 
of the box.


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Fred Gleason 
mailto:fr...@paravelsystems.com>> wrote:


On Jun 22, 2016, at 13:31, Seth Stevenson mailto:rcflye...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Those commands didn't work for me. I think is has to do with
mysql/maria and the newest version of Rivendell. Fred could you
give us some help on the proper way to do an upgrade off the
Appliance so that Rivendell and the database work smoothly?


All that should normally be required is doing (as root):

yum update rivendell

The machine will need Internet access when running that command.

The only other caveat is that, if you are running multiple hosts
sharing the same database, that they all be running a version that
uses the same database schema.  In practice, that means that the
first two digits of the Rivendell version string must be the
same.  For example:

2.10.0 — 2.10.3Same DB schema, OK to mix
2.10.3 — 2.14.0Different DB schemas, *don’t* mix on the same system!

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Seth Stevenson]

Ok. But that only upgrades Rivendell and not mysql. That is where I ran
into trouble. The new version of rivendell doesn't work with mysql as I
understand it, and therefore doesn't work, therefore upgrading rivendell
doesn't really help at all. I guess I am looking for an update of the whole
appliance dvd with everything working together out of the box.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Fred Gleason 
wrote:

> On Jun 22, 2016, at 13:31, Seth Stevenson  wrote:
>
> Those commands didn't work for me. I think is has to do with mysql/maria
> and the newest version of Rivendell. Fred could you give us some help on
> the proper way to do an upgrade off the Appliance so that Rivendell and the
> database work smoothly?
>
>
> All that should normally be required is doing (as root):
>
> yum update rivendell
>
> The machine will need Internet access when running that command.
>
> The only other caveat is that, if you are running multiple hosts sharing
> the same database, that they all be running a version that uses the same
> database schema.  In practice, that means that the first two digits of the
> Rivendell version string must be the same.  For example:
>
> 2.10.0 — 2.10.3 Same DB schema, OK to mix
> 2.10.3 — 2.14.0 Different DB schemas, *don’t* mix on the same system!
>
> Cheers!
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Fred Gleason]

On Jun 22, 2016, at 13:31, Seth Stevenson  wrote:

> Those commands didn't work for me. I think is has to do with mysql/maria and 
> the newest version of Rivendell. Fred could you give us some help on the 
> proper way to do an upgrade off the Appliance so that Rivendell and the 
> database work smoothly?

All that should normally be required is doing (as root):

yum update rivendell

The machine will need Internet access when running that command.

The only other caveat is that, if you are running multiple hosts sharing the 
same database, that they all be running a version that uses the same database 
schema.  In practice, that means that the first two digits of the Rivendell 
version string must be the same.  For example:

2.10.0 — 2.10.3 Same DB schema, OK to mix
2.10.3 — 2.14.0 Different DB schemas, *don’t* mix on the same system!

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Seth Stevenson]

Those commands didn't work for me. I think is has to do with mysql/maria
and the newest version of Rivendell. Fred could you give us some help on
the proper way to do an upgrade off the Appliance so that Rivendell and the
database work smoothly?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Cowboy  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:45:46 +0100
> "Gerard"  wrote:
>
> > I too have the same problems with daemons not starting after upgrade
> > I was determined that I would get my head round lunix and Rivendell
> > this time after several attempts and giving up
>
>  In spite of rumors to the contrary, I wasn't born in a data center
>  either.
>  ( nor in a radio station, and neither in a TV station )
>
>  Depending on what you're used to, it can be daunting to the
>  point sometimes the learning curve feels like a vertical line.
>
>  Oh, and BTW: Linux is a kernel, not an OS.
>  So, when you get a handle on one OS, just because it runs over
>  a linux kernel, doesn't mean you know them all.
>  ( though most of them are a *nix derivative of the two basic flavors )
>
> > I thought I had worked it out by removing a usb stick it started but
> > when I tried to get in to library it crashed  now im back to daemons
> > not starting again … is there a command to stop and start them ?
>
>  Depending on the OS and version...
>  First try
>  service rivendell restart
>  but it could be
>  service restart rivendell
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:45:46 +0100
"Gerard"  wrote:

> I too have the same problems with daemons not starting after upgrade
> I was determined that I would get my head round lunix and Rivendell
> this time after several attempts and giving up 

 In spite of rumors to the contrary, I wasn't born in a data center
 either.
 ( nor in a radio station, and neither in a TV station )

 Depending on what you're used to, it can be daunting to the
 point sometimes the learning curve feels like a vertical line.

 Oh, and BTW: Linux is a kernel, not an OS.
 So, when you get a handle on one OS, just because it runs over
 a linux kernel, doesn't mean you know them all.
 ( though most of them are a *nix derivative of the two basic flavors )

> I thought I had worked it out by removing a usb stick it started but
> when I tried to get in to library it crashed  now im back to daemons
> not starting again … is there a command to stop and start them ?

 Depending on the OS and version...
 First try
 service rivendell restart
 but it could be
 service restart rivendell

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Gerard]

 

I too have the same problems with daemons not starting after upgrade I was 
determined that I would get my head round lunix and Rivendell this time after 
several attempts and giving up 

 

I thought I had worked it out by removing a usb stick it started but when I 
tried to get in to library it crashed  now im back to daemons not starting 
again … is there a command to stop and start them ?

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[mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org] On Behalf Of Seth 
Stevenson
Sent: 22 June 2016 15:16
To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System 

Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

 

I had terrible trouble when upgrading rivendell after a fresh install of the 
appliance which I believe was Rivendell 2.5.5 on Centos 6. Rivendell upgraded 
to 2.14.1 just fine, but then the daemons wouldn't start. After much hassle I 
removed the mysql that came with the appliance, and installed mariadb. Now the 
daemons see the mysql database, but I can't get mysql to start, which is where 
I am stuck at currently. Can the whole appliance be upgraded so maria and 
rivendell 2.14.1 work out of the box?

 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Alessio Elmi mailto:alessio_e...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

I have to admit I never used the appliance for my needs. I always used Debian. 
However, if MySQL daemon doesn't start you should see any motivation in syslog, 
but again, I don't have experience on that. Moreover I don't see how upgrading 
Rivendell packages would hurt on SQL setup/config, it shouldn't. Check if there 
is anything helpful in the logs.

 

Il giorno mer 22 giu 2016 alle ore 16:05 Seth Stevenson mailto:rcflye...@gmail.com> > ha scritto:

I had terrible trouble when upgrading rivendell after a fresh install of the 
appliance which I believe was Rivendell 2.5.5 on Centos 6. Rivendell upgraded 
to 2.14.1 just fine, but then the daemons wouldn't start. After much hassle I 
removed the mysql that came with the appliance, and installed mariadb. Now the 
daemons see the mysql database, but I can't get mysql to start, which is where 
I am stuck at currently. Can the whole appliance be upgraded so maria and 
rivendell 2.14.1 work out of the box?

 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Alessio Elmi mailto:alessio_e...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

I think you can can interpret that number this way:

2.6.6.1 ->

2 -> Rivendell 2.x

6.6 -> based on CentOS 6.6

1 -> subrelease, with setup/config fixes.

 

However, you should have Paravel repository enabled with the Appliance. A 
simple "yum upgrade" will bring Rivendell to the latest released version.

Fred could correct me if wrong.

 

Ale

 

Il giorno mer 22 giu 2016 alle ore 15:14 Cowboy mailto:c...@cwf1.com> > ha scritto:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 07:05:01 -0500
Alan Smith mailto:alansm...@flinn.com> > wrote:

> Then there was another appliance that was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.5
> and the current one which is RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.6

 You see, why I asked...
 The current release is 2.14.1 but I'll admit I haven't gotten an
 appliance DVD in a while. The appliance version is 2.6.6.1 but
 that clearly is not the Rivendell release number.

 Hey, Fredrick !?
  Even I'm a bit confused ( difficult to believe as it may be )

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Seth Stevenson]

I had terrible trouble when upgrading rivendell after a fresh install of
the appliance which I believe was Rivendell 2.5.5 on Centos 6. Rivendell
upgraded to 2.14.1 just fine, but then the daemons wouldn't start. After
much hassle I removed the mysql that came with the appliance, and installed
mariadb. Now the daemons see the mysql database, but I can't get mysql to
start, which is where I am stuck at currently. Can the whole appliance be
upgraded so maria and rivendell 2.14.1 work out of the box?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Alessio Elmi 
wrote:

> I have to admit I never used the appliance for my needs. I always used
> Debian. However, if MySQL daemon doesn't start you should see any
> motivation in syslog, but again, I don't have experience on that. Moreover
> I don't see how upgrading Rivendell packages would hurt on SQL
> setup/config, it shouldn't. Check if there is anything helpful in the logs.
>
> Il giorno mer 22 giu 2016 alle ore 16:05 Seth Stevenson <
> rcflye...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> I had terrible trouble when upgrading rivendell after a fresh install of
>> the appliance which I believe was Rivendell 2.5.5 on Centos 6. Rivendell
>> upgraded to 2.14.1 just fine, but then the daemons wouldn't start. After
>> much hassle I removed the mysql that came with the appliance, and installed
>> mariadb. Now the daemons see the mysql database, but I can't get mysql to
>> start, which is where I am stuck at currently. Can the whole appliance be
>> upgraded so maria and rivendell 2.14.1 work out of the box?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Alessio Elmi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you can can interpret that number this way:
>>> 2.6.6.1 ->
>>> 2 -> Rivendell 2.x
>>> 6.6 -> based on CentOS 6.6
>>> 1 -> subrelease, with setup/config fixes.
>>>
>>> However, you should have Paravel repository enabled with the Appliance.
>>> A simple "yum upgrade" will bring Rivendell to the latest released version.
>>> Fred could correct me if wrong.
>>>
>>> Ale
>>>
>>> Il giorno mer 22 giu 2016 alle ore 15:14 Cowboy  ha
>>> scritto:
>>>
 On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 07:05:01 -0500
 Alan Smith  wrote:

 > Then there was another appliance that was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.5
 > and the current one which is RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.6

  You see, why I asked...
  The current release is 2.14.1 but I'll admit I haven't gotten an
  appliance DVD in a while. The appliance version is 2.6.6.1 but
  that clearly is not the Rivendell release number.

  Hey, Fredrick !?
   Even I'm a bit confused ( difficult to believe as it may be )

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alessio Elmi]

I think you can can interpret that number this way:
2.6.6.1 ->
2 -> Rivendell 2.x
6.6 -> based on CentOS 6.6
1 -> subrelease, with setup/config fixes.

However, you should have Paravel repository enabled with the Appliance. A
simple "yum upgrade" will bring Rivendell to the latest released version.
Fred could correct me if wrong.

Ale

Il giorno mer 22 giu 2016 alle ore 15:14 Cowboy  ha scritto:

> On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 07:05:01 -0500
> Alan Smith  wrote:
>
> > Then there was another appliance that was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.5
> > and the current one which is RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.6
>
>  You see, why I asked...
>  The current release is 2.14.1 but I'll admit I haven't gotten an
>  appliance DVD in a while. The appliance version is 2.6.6.1 but
>  that clearly is not the Rivendell release number.
>
>  Hey, Fredrick !?
>   Even I'm a bit confused ( difficult to believe as it may be )
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

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On Jun 21, 2016, at 16:07, Alan Smith  wrote:

> There have been several "appliance" versions now, and I always take a peek in 
> a VM, but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them is always 
> 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the newer appliance 
> disks is the underlying OS...
> 
> Just curious of there is a reason for this, or just coincidental?

Mostly, it’s programmer laziness.  The first thing that should be done after 
installing *any* new OS is to run the updater, at which point you’ll get the 
current Rivendell.  Thus, it really doesn’t much matter what the initial 
version is.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 07:05:01 -0500
Alan Smith  wrote:

> Then there was another appliance that was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.5
> and the current one which is RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.6

 You see, why I asked...
 The current release is 2.14.1 but I'll admit I haven't gotten an
 appliance DVD in a while. The appliance version is 2.6.6.1 but
 that clearly is not the Rivendell release number.

 Hey, Fredrick !?
  Even I'm a bit confused ( difficult to believe as it may be )

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alan Smith]

Always the Paravel Site.  I check it periodically for newer appliance 
versions.


I realize that is was kind of a pointless question to ask, but there was 
a reason...


My VERY FIRST appliance (appliance v 1.0) Shipped with RD 2.5.5 on 
CentOS 5.9.  I had to install a proprietary video driver to make use of 
dual monitors.  On a system update, I found myself in a pickle, unable 
to boot to the GUI (probably due to a kernel update with proprietary 
driver installed?).  Not familiar with Linux I had no choice but to 
"reinstall".


I have since disabled updates (a poor practice I know) when installing 
from the Appliance.


I only have ONE Rivendell out in the wild, but I want to become more 
familiar with it, and CentOS in general.


Anyway, the next appliance was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.4 (what my one 
machine in the wild is on).

Then there was another appliance that was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.5
and the current one which is RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.6

Just wondering if on the next appliance "refresh" the version of RD will 
be incremented.  This is pretty much a question for Mr. Gleason.


Thanks!

-Alan

On 6/21/2016 5:20 PM, Cowboy wrote:

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 04:07:48 pm Alan Smith wrote:

but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them
is always 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the
newer appliance disks is the underlying OS...

  That would be quite wrong !

  What links are you using ?



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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Cowboy]

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 04:07:48 pm Alan Smith wrote:
> but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them 
> is always 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the 
> newer appliance disks is the underlying OS...

 That would be quite wrong !

 What links are you using ?

-- 
Cowboy
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[RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alan Smith]

Since the appliance has been mentioned, something I have wondered...

There have been several "appliance" versions now, and I always take a 
peek in a VM, but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them 
is always 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the 
newer appliance disks is the underlying OS...


Just curious of there is a reason for this, or just coincidental?

-Alan
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