[RCSE] Torrey on july 3 through 7

[Steve Dworsky]

Any of you So Cal people going to be flying anytime 
between 7/4 through 7/7?  I will be in Carlsbad that week and wanted to 
know if there was anything going on.  Hopefuly I can bring a 
few planes(Eraser2000 and probably a bora or two) so I can fly.  
Anyone that may be flying at that time please contact me with directions or 
phone #'s
 
Thanks
Steve Dworsky
 

Re: [RCSE] Re: Report on the breaking of the DS speed record

[Tuffpuppy]

Hi Tullio and the rest of RCSE, 

The joiner Barry was using was 1/2" square custom made joiner from Doug Boyd 
aka the Winch Doc. He is a master machinest and he will CnC mill dang near 
anything you need or want! 

The molded RnR plane that Barry was flying had a special (very expensive) DS 
lay up scheme when it was built. All I know is they used lots of carbon and 
doubled the joiner size. The plane is very stout and fast to boot! :-)

I think your best bet is to stick with pylon mounted 3 piece wings. They are 
easier to make stronger to withstand the flight loads that DS can produce.

If you are going to continue using 2 piece wings with a joiner then I 
recommend you find some joiners that are made of case hardened steel. This 
should eliminate the permenant bending you mentioned. Also you might consider 
building your planes to allow for 2 joiners instead of one.

If you would like to view a simular model to the one Barry was flying then 
visit RnR's website and have a peak at the Millennium.
http://www.rnrproducts.com/

Best,

Dave
www.reeseproductions.com

In a message dated 6/19/01 2:05:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Hi, guys,
First of all congrats to the "guy", of course,  then , please, some more
info on the plane : here in Italy we are all "boiling". As Dave already
knows, I'm the one who, after having read on RCSE about DS by JW, was the
first in Italy to do it, more than 2 years ago.
Well we'd like to know more about the model and its structure, specially the
wing joiner.
We are all discovering that our single and even double 14 x 3 mm steel
blades ( the ones sold by Graupner, I believe) are actually bending
permanently after strong DS session, which are surely below your recorded
speed, so we are wondering about your "square" half inch one. Is it really a
square one or is it a blade ?
Does a picture of the model exist somewhere on the web ? or in Lift Ticket ?
How is the wing built ?

I thank you very much for the info and be known that we all envy you for the
ball you had !

Ciao from Italy.
Tullio.


Ing. Tullio BONFIGLIO
Ansaldo Energia
IMP/ING/AUT - F12 / P5
Via N. Lorenzi, 8
16152 Genoa  -  ITALY
Ph. : 39 (0)10 655 3267 >>

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[RCSE] What you need for 'not' Mud South

[GordySoar]

Well it is looking sunny for this year so no mud this year, but what you will 
want is a strong sun screen and some mosquito repelent...the weather prior 
has provided some rain and that means a bumper crop of em.

For those of you coming in early, give me a call on where we will be 
practicing. I have the channels open to Ron, Rob and Russ, (the powers that 
be for this event).

Oh yeah shorts and hats will be a good idea too.

ALL OF THE VOLZ GOODIES ARRIVED TODAY!

Just down from the Holiday Inn is the Red Carpet Inn.  They are advertising 
$25 rates and they are 'walk in ' rooms.

I am at the LaQuinta across the street and have a spare room reservation at 
$53 with a pool should be available on Friday nite thru till Sunday.

Gordy

RE: [RCSE] F3X.com is still here.

[Tom Copp]

It is worse than that now. Our server nuked my entire web page. I have a OLD
copy up now so the newest stuff is not there.

I need some help from some of you who might have a copy of some f3x stuff
lurking on your computer.

If you regularly visit the site see if you can find some current pages. Here
is 1 way to do it.

OpenC:
OpenWindows folder
OpenTemporary Internet Files

Click on "Internet address" bar at top to sort files.
See how many http://www.f3x.com/.htm files you have from last week.

Let me know what you have and if you are willing to send them back to me. I
can restore the site from this info.

Please DON"T send anything until after we talk.

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Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3X.com is still here.

Tom I cant say I fell your pain because in the years and years we have been
with NETMEISTER I can not remember an outage EVER due to server problems.
Internic yes once but NEVER a server problem.

Joe Nave an active Soaring Pilot owns Netmeister.  They also host
rcsoaring.com along with MANY companies in the R/C community.

I can OPENLY RECOMMEND NETMEISTER to ANY company who wants to improve
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Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASAP!
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BTW Tom the Profi 4000 shipment came in and I need that plane 

Smooth Sailing,
Karlton Spindle
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> Hi Guys,
>
> We are still here even though our server is down for 5 days now. They say
it
> will be back up soon.
>
> New Nemesis models with bottom hinged flaps are in. Wish I could show them
> to you!
>
> Thank you for all the emails. Everything is fine and we will be up and
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Re: [RCSE] DHLG Launching problems

[Larry Pettyjohn]

Hay Chris.

Here is some first hand information on DHL and V-Tails. I do not think
that it is a problem with his incidence.  I had a Simply the Best
Fuselage and was having the same problem and what I did to decrease this
problem was to program in less down on the V-Tail.  In other words, if
you are turning right, the right side is down and the left side is up. 
Decrease the amount of down, because as the plane starts to turn right
the down side elevator makes the plane dive. This causes some real
interesting looking launches.  Hope this helps.

-- 
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ScrollSander wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Having just come back for the IHLGF in Poway I know what you might be going
> through.  The following is my guess as to your issue, that is if nobody else
> has answered.
> 
> First of all, since you are using a poly and a V-tail, I would take out any
> offset during your launch.  Then I might think that you have the incidence
> set wrong, that is too much up. Take out noseweight and decrease incidence.
> I do not know which way the plane is rolling however I would venture to say
> that it is rolling left if you are throwing right handed holding the left
> wingtip.
> 
> Now the theory for the glider guys.
> 
> 1)  Your V-tail is acting as a propeller rather than a controlling factor
> for the wing when the plane is going fast but still in your hand.  Take a
> look at the V-tail from the back end.  Apply right rudder.  I would expect
> the left elevon to go up, the right to go down.  If you look at each surface
> you will see that the elevons if the fuselage is kept in a straight line
> would force a twist to the left.  Think of them as ailerons rather than
> elevons at the time of release.  Then at the time of release, once you start
> turning left, the elevator becomes the truning surface and with more
> incidence your get even more added force rolling the plane to the left.
> 
> 2)  Normal DLG have a sub rudder.  This is so that the upper rudder twists
> the plane left, the lower rudder twists the plane right and then they
> balance.  If the plane rolls over then the elevator again comes into play.
> 
> Now how to avoid the turning with the v-tail?  I would try to relase the
> plane with your arm extended further out.  Release it earlier then expected
> as you could be pulling the plane into the left hand turn.  It is not until
> the wing is flying and working that the polyhedral forces come into play.
> 
> FYI, I am preparing a  CD with pictures of alot of planes form the IHLGF,
> with some descriptions.  It will be avaialbe for a small cost, but will have
> alot of info.  Right now I have all the pictures edited and the web pages
> are being build.
> 
> If you or any body wants one, let me know and I will inform you of the costs
> when available.
> 
> Good luck.  I hope this helped.
> 
> Chris
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Crook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "RCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:52 PM
> Subject: [RCSE] DHLG Launching problems
> 
> > I have a Poly V-Tail HLG of my own design.  It was designed for the
> javelin
> > launch.  It launches (javelin) and flies fine.  Recently I have tried a
> few
> > experimental side-arm type launches "at low power".  By low power I simply
> > mean that I do not rotate fast or try to generate true launch speeds (I
> > don't think the plane will take it).  I am trying these test launches to
> get
> > a feel for the new launching technique before I build (or buy) a DHLG
> ship.
> > My problem is that on about 1 of every 5 launches the plane rolls over on
> > launch.  No amount of pre-set rudder seems to correct the problem or
> reduce
> > its frequency.  Living in Montana has some advantages - being near people
> > who fly sailplanes is not one of them!  Any ideas? Suggestions?
> >
> > Jim Crook
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RE: [RCSE] re: midsouth?

[Bill Harris]

Quite OK.  Now that you mention it, I recall that Martin Road does have 
one-way traffic signs during certain times of the day/week.  I'm sure that 
the Midsouth organizers have taken care of that detail.

--Bill


>From: "paul behr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Bill Harris'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'Behrp'" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [RCSE] re: midsouth?
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:37:27 -0400
>
>My apologies. Wrong road name. Martin rd. is the road I was refering to.
>Sorry for the confusion.
>
>Paul B
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Bill Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:14 AM
>To: Behrp; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [RCSE] re: midsouth?
>
>
>Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't one need a "military bumper sticker" to travel
>through the Redstone Arsenal property on Rideout Road?  It looks a lot
>shorter, but I've always traveled the round-about way down Memorial, etc,
>because I assumed that Rideout was _verboten_ to civilians.
>
>--Bill
>
>
> >From: "paul behr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [RCSE] re: midsouth?
> >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:53:52 -0400
> >
> >Anyone planning on attending the events on Friday afternoon should make
> >very
> >sure that you get to Rideout rd. prior to 3:00 pm. Redstone makes that 
>road
> >one way traffic outbound (away from the field) from 3:00 pm to 6:00 pm
> >monday - friday.
> >important safety tip.
> >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:57:13 -0500
> >From: "Bill Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >Subject: MidSouth?
> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >
> >Who all is attending the MidSouth in Huntsville this weekend? I plan to
> >arrive Friday morning and fly the Nostalgia event Friday on afternoon.
> >Otherwise, I'll be spectating and politicking-- I don't have a 
>competitive
> >plane ready for the TD event so I'll sit that one out.
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >--Bill
> >_
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Re: [RCSE] RE: DHLG Launching problems

[Tom Hoopes]

At 08:37 AM 6/20/01 -0600, Jim Crook wrote:
>Thanks to everyone who responded.  As suspected I got a full range of
>ideas - Add more off-set, remove all off-set, Throw at a steeper angle,
>throw at a lower angle, Etc.  the most common responses were:
>1) To add a sub fin
>2) Relax/straighten my arm during the throw
>3) Add a wing peg
>4) Release earlier in the spin
>I will try to get out and try the 4 items above tonight (weather
>permitting).  I'll post results.
>Thanks Again!
>
>Any other Montana (Western MT - Missoula area) pilots out there?
>
>Jim Crook


Jim,

When I first began trying DLG, I was having the same problem of the plane
rolling off to the left and ultimately inverting.
 
My initial attempts at DLG used a throwing stick and a vtail configuration.
The
first thing that I found, due to other's observations, was that I was
"flicking" my wrist at release. I concentrated on keeping my wrist and arm
perfectly straight throughout the throw, sort of like in bowling, and much of
the "roll over" disappeared.

Next, I abandoned the vtail and went with a cruciform tail with about 30% of
the rudder being a sub-rudder. Tail Volume Coefficient (TVC) of the horizontal
fin is around .415. 

I have thrown with and without the throwpeg. Without the throwpeg, fingers get
sore, I had to use spyder foam in the wing tips tp prevent crushing, I
couldn't
launch as high, and still the upper wingtip eventually creased at the ends of
my fingertips. With the throwstick, the wingtip doesn't crease, launch is
higher, but if my fingers are wrapped too much around the throwpeg and I am
not
paying attention, I can get a very slight left arc, but no inverted launch.

I too have found that a "half-hearted" attempt at the launch, unlike the
javelin launch, is not good.

Too bad you're in the middle of nowhere, because we've got a HLG contest going
on this coming Saturday in Salt Lake City (750 miles from "anywhere") followed
by an electric fun fly.


Tom Hoopes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Re: [RCSE] F3X.com is still here.

[Karlton Spindle]

Tom I cant say I fell your pain because in the years and years we have been
with NETMEISTER I can not remember an outage EVER due to server problems.
Internic yes once but NEVER a server problem.

Joe Nave an active Soaring Pilot owns Netmeister.  They also host
rcsoaring.com along with MANY companies in the R/C community.

I can OPENLY RECOMMEND NETMEISTER to ANY company who wants to improve
service and not have server problems!!

Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASAP!
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I DO NOT WORK FOR OR GET PAID BY NETMEISTER THEY ARE JUST TOO COOL FOR
WORDS!  They ROCK!


BTW Tom the Profi 4000 shipment came in and I need that plane 

Smooth Sailing,
Karlton Spindle
http://www.MultiplexRC.com
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From: "Tom Copp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:35 AM
Subject: [RCSE] F3X.com is still here.


> Hi Guys,
>
> We are still here even though our server is down for 5 days now. They say
it
> will be back up soon.
>
> New Nemesis models with bottom hinged flaps are in. Wish I could show them
> to you!
>
> Thank you for all the emails. Everything is fine and we will be up and
> running soon (possibly with a new server)
>
> Tom Copp
> COMPOSITE SPECIALTIES
> www.F3X.com
> ph/fax 949-645 7032
>
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Re: [RCSE] re: midsouth?

[Bill Harris]

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't one need a "military bumper sticker" to travel 
through the Redstone Arsenal property on Rideout Road?  It looks a lot 
shorter, but I've always traveled the round-about way down Memorial, etc, 
because I assumed that Rideout was _verboten_ to civilians.

--Bill


>From: "paul behr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [RCSE] re: midsouth?
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:53:52 -0400
>
>Anyone planning on attending the events on Friday afternoon should make 
>very
>sure that you get to Rideout rd. prior to 3:00 pm. Redstone makes that road
>one way traffic outbound (away from the field) from 3:00 pm to 6:00 pm
>monday - friday.
>important safety tip.
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:57:13 -0500
>From: "Bill Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: MidSouth?
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>
>Who all is attending the MidSouth in Huntsville this weekend? I plan to
>arrive Friday morning and fly the Nostalgia event Friday on afternoon.
>Otherwise, I'll be spectating and politicking-- I don't have a competitive
>plane ready for the TD event so I'll sit that one out.
>
>Take care,
>
>--Bill
>_
>
>
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[RCSE] Re: **** Upcoming Zagi-E Race @ Sula ****

[Jared Licht]

hey does anyone have JR srvoes or a recever with chanal 57 for sale


>From: "I. Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
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>Subject:  Upcoming Zagi-E Race @ Sula 
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:08:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hello,
>
>This is to announce the next stock Electric Zagi race:
>
>Place:  SULA
>Date:   Saturday, July 7th '01
>Entry:  $5
>Signup: 12 noon (sharp)
>
>For details:  http://www.geocities.com/wrath_of_khan/sula.html
>
>There is a race video at the website from the last race ... very similar to
>CSR races, without the dependency on wind ... and not much ground
>clearance!!!
>
>Please pass the word around ... See you at the Race!!!
> AMA insurance is required
>
>I. Khan
>
>
>
>
>
>___
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[RCSE] RE: DHLG Launching problems

[Jim Crook]

Thanks to everyone who responded.  As suspected I got a full range of
ideas - Add more off-set, remove all off-set, Throw at a steeper angle,
throw at a lower angle, Etc.  the most common responses were:
1) To add a sub fin
2) Relax/straighten my arm during the throw
3) Add a wing peg
4) Release earlier in the spin
I will try to get out and try the 4 items above tonight (weather
permitting).  I'll post results.
Thanks Again!

Any other Montana (Western MT - Missoula area) pilots out there?

Jim Crook


-Original Message-
From: Jim Crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:52 PM
To: RCSE
Subject: DHLG Launching problems


I have a Poly V-Tail HLG of my own design.  It was designed for the javelin
launch.  It launches (javelin) and flies fine.  Recently I have tried a few
experimental side-arm type launches "at low power".  By low power I simply
mean that I do not rotate fast or try to generate true launch speeds (I
don't think the plane will take it).  I am trying these test launches to get
a feel for the new launching technique before I build (or buy) a DHLG ship.
My problem is that on about 1 of every 5 launches the plane rolls over on
launch.  No amount of pre-set rudder seems to correct the problem or reduce
its frequency.  Living in Montana has some advantages - being near people
who fly sailplanes is not one of them!  Any ideas? Suggestions?

Jim Crook

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Re: [RCSE] Need URL to Metric/English R/C Calculator

[Steven Meyer]

If anyone is looking for same. Here is an executable for Windows that
works very well.  It's Freeware.

http://stevenmeyer.net/convert.zip

Steve

At 05:07 AM 6/20/2001 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,

A while ago there was someone who posted about a site that had a 
Metric/Englich conversions calculator for R/C. These were conversion for

torque (servos) and Wing Area and Loading.  Ncm to oz/in or cmg to
oz/in 
torque as well as gram/decimeter(squared) to oz/foot(squared)

I know about Convert and use it but, there is a one-step R/C specific

calculator out there. If someone can please direct me to the URL.

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: [RCSE] JR repair in San Diego?

[Marc Webster]

Hey Dave,

the website for the JR repair in San Diego is
WWW.rc-direct.com.  I just had a JR347 repaired a few months ago.  They were 
quick, and everything seems fine on my 347 now.

hope this helps,

Marc Webster



>From: Dave Nasatir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Radio Controlled Soaring Exchange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [RCSE] JR repair in San Diego?
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:37:59 -0700
>
>What is the name and contact info of the outfit in San Diego California
>that can repair my JR x388s transmitter?
>
>Thanks,
>
>(the other) Dave in Berkeley, CA
>
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[RCSE] Tri-State Contest Announcement, July 1, Indiana, PA

[Kevin Sheen]

Tri-State Soaring Society's hard working president, Jack Dubich, has worked with a 
club in Indiana, PA to get another contest on our circuit.  If you live in central PA, 
come join us!  Fly for fun or try to top our best, either way, I think you will have 
an enjoyable day.

All of the details can been seen at:

http://www.ts3.org/contests/contest01.html(click on the Indiana 2001 link)


We will do our level best to get Reece to keep his shirt on, and to keep Reece in the 
points for the season, let's find him that set of wings for his Victory C!

Kevin
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[RCSE] F3X.com is still here.

[Tom Copp]

Hi Guys,

We are still here even though our server is down for 5 days now. They say it
will be back up soon.

New Nemesis models with bottom hinged flaps are in. Wish I could show them
to you!

Thank you for all the emails. Everything is fine and we will be up and
running soon (possibly with a new server)

Tom Copp
COMPOSITE SPECIALTIES
www.F3X.com
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Color correction:  It's white over purple/magenta, not blue. OOPS!  Randy
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