Re: [RCSE] Re: AMA and slope combat
First a little background. I flew control line in the 60's and then powered RC in the early 70s. I got out because I was tired of fighting radio problems, fixing airplanes and flipping cranky engines. After watching some foamie combat about a year and a half ago I got back into RC with an EPP combat wing. They bounce and are as close to indestructible a plane can get. Since then my hanger has added other foamie and crunchie gliders, even a couple eflight models. Guess I'm back into the hobby. I joined the AMA earlier this year so I could fly in contests with my new Photon DLG. It's very durable and a lots of fun to fly. My flying are improving and I'm developing new thermalling and launch skills. So foamie combat got me back into RC, and then into the AMA. I wonder how many more there are like "me"? I agree with the majority of what Mike Garcon wrote regarding his "reasonable guidelines" for foamie combat, but there is one specific part I don't agree with as written and wish to propose an alternative. I have from Mike's email as indicated. On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:52:55 -0500, Mike Garcon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following: >Jerry and all of RCSE, > >I emailed my district rep, the President and the Vice President of AMA. >I did hear back from President Dave Brown and have exchanged several more >emails on the slope combat topic with him. >Reasonable guidelines could include: > >1. All aircraft must have only expanded poly propylene (EPP) foam for the >first 2" of the fuse and wing with no hard objects imbedded in the first 2". >This is already a common rule at contests. >EPP is the springy, shock absorbent type of foam. AGREE >2. Combat aircraft shall weigh no more than 2 pounds. >This limits both the speed and momentum of the gliders. AGREE >3. Pilots are not allowed to stand directly downwind of the flight area. >CD's would mark off the pilot area. A "no-fly-zone" will be enforced >upwind of the pilots. Light combat planes stall and tumble downwind >(up the slope hill) when they are hit. >This rule alone would make slope combat very safe. DISAGREE This rule would outlaw foamie combat at some of the better places. Lets see, places I've flown in So. Cal., Parker in Acton, Snake Hill in Los Virgenes and Grant Park in Ventura. Every place I have flown (slope) foamie combat the action seems to be right in front of the pilot. Don't know how to get off to the side, especially in combat. These places may not be contest or club flying sites, but nevertheless are indicative of better slope flying sites. If we need to go to extremes to preserve (slope) foamie combat, perhaps compromise is in order. Uniform of the day for Foamie Slope Combat, goggles and bike helmets for liability management. This is assuming that protection is needed for slope foamie combat liability management. I have been hit by an errant foamie slope plane, and although it may startle or sting, it didn't hurt. I personally don't believe protection is needed, but law makers need options. I don't think this would be a financial impact. If you had to buy the gear from scratch it shouldn't set anyone back more than $50, and I would venture a guess most people already have a bike helmet. Notice I introduced slope (un-powered) into the definition 4 paragraphs back. I am not reviewing powered combat. >4. Combat planes can not have exposed sharp linkages or control surfaces. >Nylon clevises or ball links are OK, Z-bends and other exposed metal pushrod ends are >not. >Balsa or chloroplast control surfaces are OK. Fiberglass, kevlar, or carbon control >surfaces are not legal. Rules of this type are not currently being used in contest >but >would be easy to accommodate. Manufacturers and owners of existing aircraft >can easily make the change. AGREE >I realize the natural tendency is to stand on the lip and fly directly in >front of you. Liability management is a fact of life. See # 3 disagree - compromise, helmets and goggles for liability management. just my .02. Herb RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Hera Nose Cone...nobody has a wrecked Hera?
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Re: [RCSE] FRED MEMORIAL
At 10:56 PM 6/10/2002, joe dirr wrote: > Had a great weekend, hats of to the SOAR club for a contest well >done. I actually had a better time off the field than on and left a >little "bent" over my flying performance. >It wasn't until I returned home and found that my 2yr had added a dozen >or so new words (all of which passed the censorship rules) in 48 hrs of >which was "love my dada." >that it really all came into perspective. > Iam truly grateful for the friendships I have made through the >soaring community over the past two years. And I would gladly give up >all my toys if I could continue to spend time w/ the group I did this >past weekend. > Again thanks to all see ya soon > >Joe > >P.S. To the burial squad of Doney and Brock. It was more fun too >watch. than to be a victim of. Thanks for the lesson. Steve Meyer didn't say anything (yet), but there are links to the scores and pictures of the 2002 SOAR Fred Fredrickson Memorial Contest, OVSS #3 on the SOAR web page at www.soarchicago.com There is some really nice photography from Steve and Capn' Jack that are thumbnailed up and ready to view, Steve probably wanted to do some captions... so there probably will be some. 8-)) Joe, I know exactly where your post is coming from, when you do a weekend like we did in Cincy or Chicago this year, with that mix of CSS/SOAR guys you and I know, it is so special. OVSS #1 CSS http://www.soarchicago.com/CSS_Memorial/index.htm OVSS #3 SOAR http://www.soarchicago.com/FredMemorial02/index.htm I am really quite depressed right now after checking those pix out, good times like those are so rare and happen so quickly. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RE: Foamies,,, hey that's my 'daddy'!
Another pilot spurned by the unbeatable foamie spirit :) > Foamies SUCK Death to foamies. > Mirko Bodul Mirko was the guy who got me going in the hobby in general... he rescued me from a fate of caster oil and noise. He tricked me into going to the slope with my 'glider' on Lake Michigan, the rest is history ;-) Mirko may have been one of the first sailplaners to be flying 6 servo, 3 and 5meter planes on the slope in America, certainly in the midwest. Euro Scaletrash, but still flapped, spoiled, pivot winged, and aileroned. Heck he a slope rocket that popped up the canopy for a speed brake!.. Mirko knows theres nothing like a good slope cluttered with pretty glass:-) Gordy
[RCSE] More on that 'old' FMA Extreme RX
This from Fred Marks of FMA. The most extreme test ( No pun intended!) reported of this parameter was reported by Mike Lee in his RCM column in which he reported that he deliberately flew the Extreme right down the flight line about six feet up to check adjacent channel and third order performance. Other than threats against his life if he did it again, Extreme 5 had no problem whatsoever. of course, we knew that when we qualified the receiver a couple of years back. I don't know how many thousands we have in the field right now, but we have never had a single report of interference with the X5. This is reflected in the fact that all serious electric flyers now use the Extreme 5 and replace all the GWS/Feather/JR whatevers with Extreme 5. X5 performance has led to the suggestion that all NEAT Fair participants should plan to fly dual conversion in Sept! Wehave one other unsolicited report from Keith Shaw that surfaced at Toledo. Seems that Keith and members of the Freq committee were running tests to see how close fields (Or unknown park flyers) could operate to each other (on the same freq). An Extreme 5 was flown to max visible altitude; a second transmitter was turned on on the same freq, but with the antenna half way collapsed. Extrem 5 flew as if no interferer was present. Yet, when the primary transmitter was turned off, the XMTR with collapsed antenna had perfect control. Howzat Fred Marks Best regards, Fred Marks
[RCSE] Re: FMA Range Check ANSWER :-)
Thanks for the discussion, guys. With all this interest, I should be able to take a collection for the shipping, right? ;-) The E-5's range doesn't seem very different than the JR R700 or a 555. I'm not sure that I've ever tried to check farther than 100' with those. And, I've been flying a zagi far, far away recently with the 555 and this tx. The XF631 manual calls for a collapsed ant. distance of 75 to 100 feet. It was Fred's notes(a "little" more detailed than JR's, btw) that me think something might be wrong. If FMA is really interested in testing, I'd be willing to participate in the experiment. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/02 2:46:51 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > This range is much less than the 200' spec'd by FMA, > or the 400' from inside his house by Ed Granger! > So, > should I neatly pack it up and return it for > service, > or can the range vary greatly based on Tx? > > Even the guys at FMA get busy. What's differnt > about your experience with > the RX and all the other posts? Your TX. You can > send them both to FMA and > they will take care of you. They'd love to find a > 'bad' RX, its how they can > improve their products cuz it uncovers shortcoming > in their suppliers > components or mfg, or assembly. We already know the > design is excellent... > now its down to the parts but usually the > problem with all new RX's is > that they are just what we ask for...selective... so > selective they won't > listen to off center transmissions. > > Think of it this way, you are going to be able to > help us all out with your > 'problem' :-) > > You'll see that I forwarded this to Fred Marks at > FMA... I have a idea he'll > read it, since I just bought him dinner last week on > my way thru Maryland. > > Good luck and keep us posted! > > Thanks, > Gordy > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] FMA Range Check ANSWER :-)
In a message dated 6/13/02 2:46:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This range is much less than the 200' spec'd by FMA, or the 400' from inside his house by Ed Granger! So, should I neatly pack it up and return it for service, or can the range vary greatly based on Tx? Even the guys at FMA get busy. What's differnt about your experience with the RX and all the other posts? Your TX. You can send them both to FMA and they will take care of you. They'd love to find a 'bad' RX, its how they can improve their products cuz it uncovers shortcoming in their suppliers components or mfg, or assembly. We already know the design is excellent... now its down to the parts but usually the problem with all new RX's is that they are just what we ask for...selective... so selective they won't listen to off center transmissions. Think of it this way, you are going to be able to help us all out with your 'problem' :-) You'll see that I forwarded this to Fred Marks at FMA... I have a idea he'll read it, since I just bought him dinner last week on my way thru Maryland. Good luck and keep us posted! Thanks, Gordy
[RCSE] Ohio Cup New Format
DARTS of Dayton Ohio has sponsored the Ohio Cup for several years and is announcing a change in format. In years past we have had one weekend in July that we had a two day contest for the Ohio Cup. This year we will have four Sunday contests that will qualify for the Ohio Cup. The first one will be this Sunday, June l6, and it will be an RES contest. The second will be Sunday, June 30, and it will be a Hand Launch contest. The third will be July l4 and will be a two meter contest. The final contest will be August l8 and will be unlimited contest. The Ohio Cup is open to all Ohio residents and your best three contest scores will count with the trophy being awarded on August l8. www.daytonsoaring.org Jerry Shape RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] DARTS RES/NOS Contest
This Sunday, June l6, DARTS of Dayton Ohio are holding their first contest of the year. It is an RES and Nostalgia contest . Format for the contest will be man on man with times to be set Sunday. The DARTS have upgraded all seven of our winches with REAL BALLS . This is quite a commitment for a small club with membership in the mid twenties to have the best equipment . The RES part of the contest will also be a qualifier for the 2002 Ohio Cup. Check out our Web page www.daytonsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Handlaunch "Sportsman" division (was Javelin vs DLG)
>Me too I have several great HLG's they fly great and I would compete >in both class with them as well as the DLG's. They fly well and >there is a real art to getting them in lift with only a 40' to 60' >starting point. Many of the people I have spoken with in the past couple of months have agreed that they (and others who sit on the sidelines instead of participating in handlaunch contests) would love to fly if we did just like most TD contests do...have "Sportsman" and "Expert" classifications. - David [EMAIL PROTECTED] USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: The Moth! - Initial Flight Impressions...
Greetings Joe... Gracious thanks for the maiden flight update and happy "shared" thoughts! It is much appreciated!On the CG, our stated 1-1/4" back from the LE is an excellent starting point, albeit a tad conservative, since we don't know how much LE's will be rounded or not rounded, etc. In your comments, I wasn't sure if you were adding 1/4oz fore or aft of the CG; if it was fore, you might be a smidgen nose heavy now. For the most part, 1-5/16" back from the LE usually ends up being the sweet spot for the Moth, where it will snap a turn bigtime without quivering, and still fly inverted will a micro-amount of forward stick (about 1/8" with avg throws).Since "dive testing" is near useless on a flying wing, I typically use inverted flight and turning characteristics to help dial it in...Many thanks again Joe and please let me know if the winds tomorrow materialize and you have a chance to really see the top end speeds!!!:)Always happy air,dvcDerek ChoiceNorth County Flying Machineshttp://www.northcountyflyingmachines.com760.439.7037 - Original Message - From: Joe G To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: The Moth! - Initial Flight Impressions...(Probably Too Long) Fellow Slopeheads...Well for those of you in the Nashville area there is good news. Effective today 6/13/02 the east side (The Notch) of Percy Priest Dam is again open. With winds forcasted to be shifting to the west throughout the day I was working on my new slope ship "The Moth" until late last nite to take advantage of being able to fly one of my favorite spots.The Moth, from North Country Flying Machines, looks alot like the JW by Bowman Hobbies but was advertised as being a good light wind slope ship and a howler when ballasted up so for 65.95 delivered to my door I figured I'd give it a try. If you have built a foamie before it is pretty straight forward. Very complete kit as far a hardware goes. Carbon tube spars with basswood caps in the wings and a carbon longeron in the fuse and a balsa tail. I tried a new technique on the fuse that proved to work out very well, okay at least so far. I used 2 coats brushed on coats of Plasti-Dip (The stuff used to dip tool handles in to give a rubbery plastic finish). The wings were covered with ultacoat after the messy 3M spray had dried. Flight pack was a pair of HS80's (they recommend HS-85's but the 80's were sitting on the bench and needed a home), an FMA Fortress Rx and a 600 mAh NMH battery pack. Took about 5 hours total to build, not counting drying time for the epoxy, goop, and Plasti-Dip. I set the balance at the recommended 1 1/4" back from the LE and the total weight came out just over 18 oz.Winds at the dam were blowing from 260 at about 6 to 10 when I made my first toss. Wow dipping down pretty hard, dialed in some up trim and leveled out for a nice 5 minute first flight. Landed and took out 1/4 oz. of lead and launched again, it still wanted those couple of clicks of up and was a little more unstable than before but still very flyable. So landed and put the 1/4 oz. plus another 1/4 oz just to see what would happen. It still wants a couple of degrees reflex on the TE but very stable and a real joy to fly now. Another slope junkie showed up with his DAW 126 HLG and we were having some fun. The winds were pretty variable with some good thermals busting off from time to time and this little ship will hook a thermal and ride it out with no problem.So if you are looking for a good light wind slope ship that I'm betting will honk in good winds (forecast for tomorrow is for WNW at 10-15 which is perfect "Notch" conditions) and I'll find that out tomorrow, you need to consider getting one of these. For $66 delivered to your door in the US you can't go wrong. And no I'm not getting paid for this but Derick if you wanna send me a beta ship to test for you, just put it in the mail you have my address!Visit Derick's site at:http://www.northcountyflyingmachines.comJoe, hoping the winds stay up til after work, GullettSpring Hill, Tennessee
[RCSE] RE: AMA and slope combat
Bliss, I will send you my copy of "Endless Lift II" so you can see just what slope combat is. Also, I have taken the liberty to copy to you the following email from the RCSE Soaring Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED] It appears you (and the other VPs) have been left out of the loop. My question is, "Why?" :-) Regis >>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:04:53 -0500 >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>From: Loren Blinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [RCSE] AMA Safety Code Proposal > > > >Saturday, June 8, the AMA Safety Committee adopted the following statement > >and will submit it to the AMA Executive Council on July 14-15. If adopted > >by a majority vote of the Executive Council, it will become part of the > >Safety Code. > > > >"Any flight activity involving the intentional collision between model > >aircraft is prohibited" > > > >It appears that this statement would effectively make Slope Combat, as it > >now commonly exists, illegal under the Safety Code. > > > >If you are concerned about this, PLEASE contact your District VP and any > >other Executive Council members and express your opinion. > > > >Loren Blinde > >Lincoln, NE -Original Message- From: blissteague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AMA and slope combat Regis , I would like see the vid . I have talked to Carl Maroney , but he seems to be concerned about what he calls kinetic energy . The safey comm has not met yet , I think . It may help to call some of the safety comm . members , before they get too far along . It will still have to be approved by the EC . Getting it right the first time , saves time not having to go back to committee . Thanks for your interest . Bliss PS My address is 625 5th Ave S. W. Hickory , N. C . 28602 - Original Message - From: bz-rpw To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: AMA and slope combat Bliss Teague It is my understanding that the AMA is about to debate the full contact :-) r/c combat. I suspect, owing to the scarcity of suitable slope sites in the east, that you have not personally observed this popular r/c activity. You should understand, that slope combat is unique in attracting new young modelers (scale too) to r/c. While you may not have resources to personally observe one these get-to-gathers (formal or informal), please at least watch videos of this activity. Specifically "Endless Lift 2" http://radiocarbonart.com/Pages/el2main.html. I would be happy to lend you my copy. If you have not personally observed EPP (foam) Scale Combat, please, at least, abstain from this unwarranted (as far as gliders) debate. Regards, Regis White AMA 13579 La Plata, MD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] ThanksJR 8103/3810 Tx question
Thanks for the help with my new radio. The programming articles I received from Sherman Knight and Andrew Mileski were extremely helpful. There is no way in hell I could have done this stuff out w/o them. To me the JR manual just isnt that clear. The 8103 is a bit more complicated than the Vision I have been using for sailplanes, but seems to have more flexability also. Now to tackle the heli programming, wish me luck! Thanks again, Walter --- GG On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:06:43 gldr guy wrote: >I have a mode 2 JR 3810 Tx, which is the same thing as a 8103. I am trying to assign >the flap function to the >spoiler/throttle stick. I went to the Flap Input screen and according to the >instructions selected FLP.SW+P6. Doing this should then allow flap(s) operation on >channels 6/7 to be activated by the >spoiler/throttle stick. I am progamming radio for a Mantis, which has only one flap. >But when I plug flap lead into ch six or seven I get no response. Only when I plug it >into ch1, the spoiler channel, does it work. >It seems as if entering FLP.SW+6 on the flap input screen is not allowing flaps to >operate off throttle stick. Any body have any ideas on this? thanks, Walter >--- >GG > > >Is your boss reading your email? Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and >"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Is your boss reading your email? Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Carbon Fiber Push rods
Can anyone help me locate carbon fiber suitable for push rods measuring .075 diameter x 53 inches in length? I want to replace the fiberglass rods in my Sharon. Thanks in advance Mike Remus Fort Wayne IN Your Dreams are the seedlings of reality!!! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] help
I've tried every way I know how to UNSUBSCRIBE from the soaring list.nothing seems to work. Can you stop sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] please Dave Meyers
Re: [RCSE] Moving to Atlanta
>Glenn...try the links below. > >http://www.atlantasoaring.org/ Don't try the ".org" unless you like on-line casinos and Internet scams. http://www.atlantasoaring.com/ and http://www.atlantasoaring.net/ will yeild the results you want. - David [EMAIL PROTECTED] USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Moving to Atlanta
See atlantasoaring.com Stew --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm moving to Atlanta next week and am looking for information on the local > club, soaring-friendly flying fields, and soaring-friendly hobby shops (I > understand Finney's Hobbies no longer does sailplanes?). I'd appreciate any > help anyone could provide. I'll be living in Decatur, attending grad school > at Georgia Tech. > > I will also be flying unlimited at the Mid-South. > > Thanks! > > Glenn Dean > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
