Re: [RCSE] Skegs
I have to agree about the FAI task and no skeg...Am I allowed to use the word, now that I have one on my Fazer? This is one of those things that just won't die. I saw one comment that said the AMA would go to the rules, but their rules...let's go all the way to the rules and use the FAI landing. If you want to keep it American, drop the meter part and just go with yards...works for football and golf, doesn't it?...8^)...I've been guilty of stirring this pot a couple of times before and what I really think is...let the cd decide and announce it in his/her contest announcement. Like skegs...go to those contests. Don't like 'em...go to those contests. Live in an area that does the opposite of what you like...become the cd and do it your way...Why does America have to be different on this? As far as the safety thing is concerned, I've been whacked across the shins with more than one wing, and I ain't hobblin'...just keep everyone out of the area upwind of the spot, except the pilot and timer, and deny FLIGHT AND LANDING points to those that land downwind or exceed the spot and a safety margin upwind. Stirrin' the pot again... Jack Womack Real men scratch build... --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I completely agree with Simon, Klaus and others that > skegs are crutches for > most of us who can't land without them on the > ridiculous runways for lawn > darts often used in major US contests. > > We should adopt the FAI landing rules in US duration > contests and forget > skegs. Small (~1" high, 1/4" wide rounded) skids > are quite sufficient for > the FAI landing plan if you know how to land in a > reasonable space. This > would be much easier on our sailplanes and > ourselves. > > Dale Nutter > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:56:44 -0800 > From: Simon Van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Klaus Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Soaring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: SKEG's and Actual Piloting Skill > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have read here that the landing task is too easy, > basically making it > a landing contest. Skegs could be considered an > external aid (like a > crutch) to assist landing accurately. > > It would sure be interesting to observe how an > individual's flying skill > would increase if they actually had to manage the > energy to land > accurately and on time without one. I would have > thought that most would > have come to this conclusion, and made the landing > task more difficult > by removing this "landing aid" to make the whole > process more > challenging and no doubt more enjoyable. > > The argument that a skeg prevents sliding through > the landing area and > the dangers associated with this just points out > that that particular > aircraft is out of control. > > > Klaus Weiss wrote: > > > > I have often commented, lightheartedly, on the use > of skegs. We do not use > > skegs at all, in Australia. I have yet to see > someone injured by a model > > sliding through the spot on landing. Admittedly, > we use FAI landing spots, > > but even so!! If a model touches someone on > landing, then it is zero > landing > > points. Perhaps skegs have their place in the USA > formats, but I think that > > there is a risk of pilots becoming so dependant on > them for landing, that > > they forget how to land well. I haven't seen a > U.S. TD contest. Perhaps > > there are models flying all over the place in the > landing zone. Landing > > upwind, downwind, crosswind, vertically, > inverted??? Don't know. Maybe > skegs > > are necessary :) Maybe the landing zone is really > the hazard zone. > > > > Klaus K Weiss > > Sydney, Australia > > www.hsl.org.au > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
We've used Optimas for awhile now. http://www.adesigner.com/hobbies/optima.htm The charge really well and seem to last longer than any of the other deep cycle batteries we've tried. The Wal-Mart warrantee is prorated and they check the battery for you. To make sure it is really dead. I usually got a season out of their highest rated ones, but got tired of lugging them in for exchange. Delco has a 1000 amp one that might do the trick and it is not as expensive as the optima. T&G 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 phone 540 943-3356 fax 540 943-4178 - Original Message - From: "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? > I have not bought a deep cycle nattery for many years, so I thought this > would be easy. > > I just started looking for one of these, and was amazed to see that some of > the well known big retailers (like WallyMart) have only their own brands > now. The largest of the 'house brand' batteries do not seem to have that > much capacity, topping out at about 650 CCA. and maybe 150 reserve. Sears > biggest one is about this same size also. I called some of the tire outlets > and so far, they all seem to stop at about this size. > > We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all day > with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web site. > > What are you guys using for winch batteries for club flying? > > Thanks > > Jack Harper > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
Jack Harper wrote: We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all day with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web site. Call Trojan, or your local battery experts. If I can find them here in Canada, you gotta be able to find 'em near you too. After the battery specialty shops, try marine and RV places. Also look in the phonebook under for golf carts. If they don't stock 'em, ask them if they'll order one for you. The first place I tried had 6, 12, and 24 Volt Trojans on a display rack by the door :) Reminds me: I once asked a salesman for a charger that had a float mode. He proceeded to try to sell me a water-proof charger (it neither floated or hat a float mode, but I guess water-proof was close enough for him). -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada http://isoar.ca/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
I think he uses them to launch those killer Nentle Nadies he builds and routinely beats us with. - Original Message - From: "REECE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brian Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? > Brain what's a natteries.RLB > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? > > > > I need two new natteries tooI'm gonna go with Wal-Mart because of the > 3 > > yr warrenty.I have never seen a winch nattery last 3 yrs and still be > > good as we really work them here in Tullahoma.No local Trojan dealer > > here either.Brian > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:40 PM > > Subject: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? > > > > > > > I have not bought a deep cycle nattery for many years, so I thought this > > > would be easy. > > > > > > I just started looking for one of these, and was amazed to see that some > > of > > > the well known big retailers (like WallyMart) have only their own brands > > > now. The largest of the 'house brand' batteries do not seem to have > that > > > much capacity, topping out at about 650 CCA. and maybe 150 reserve. > Sears > > > biggest one is about this same size also. I called some of the tire > > outlets > > > and so far, they all seem to stop at about this size. > > > > > > We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all > > day > > > with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web > site. > > > > > > What are you guys using for winch batteries for club flying? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Jack Harper > > > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with > MIME turned off. > > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
I tried some Wal-Mart batteries a few years ago. I was not impressed. I haven't seen a Trojan in a few years. I have had good luck with the AC Delco Voyager batteries. Exide Stowaway's have also worked but they sometimes charge funny. The battery charger never drops below a few amps. It might be the chemistry. Sears have been really hit or miss the past few years. Thier reputation went down the tubes a number of years ago when they were selling batteries that were not what they said they were. Some guys involved with that were convicted. Just remember to always properly recharge your battery after use. That is the number one killer of batteries. Brian Smith wrote: I need two new natteries tooI'm gonna go with Wal-Mart because of the 3 yr warrenty.I have never seen a winch nattery last 3 yrs and still be good as we really work them here in Tullahoma.No local Trojan dealer here either.Brian - Original Message - From: "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? I have not bought a deep cycle nattery for many years, so I thought this would be easy. I just started looking for one of these, and was amazed to see that some of the well known big retailers (like WallyMart) have only their own brands now. The largest of the 'house brand' batteries do not seem to have that much capacity, topping out at about 650 CCA. and maybe 150 reserve. Sears biggest one is about this same size also. I called some of the tire outlets and so far, they all seem to stop at about this size. We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all day with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web site. What are you guys using for winch batteries for club flying? Thanks Jack Harper RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
Brain what's a natteries.RLB - Original Message - From: "Brian Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? > I need two new natteries tooI'm gonna go with Wal-Mart because of the 3 > yr warrenty.I have never seen a winch nattery last 3 yrs and still be > good as we really work them here in Tullahoma.No local Trojan dealer > here either.Brian > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:40 PM > Subject: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? > > > > I have not bought a deep cycle nattery for many years, so I thought this > > would be easy. > > > > I just started looking for one of these, and was amazed to see that some > of > > the well known big retailers (like WallyMart) have only their own brands > > now. The largest of the 'house brand' batteries do not seem to have that > > much capacity, topping out at about 650 CCA. and maybe 150 reserve. Sears > > biggest one is about this same size also. I called some of the tire > outlets > > and so far, they all seem to stop at about this size. > > > > We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all > day > > with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web site. > > > > What are you guys using for winch batteries for club flying? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jack Harper > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
I need two new natteries tooI'm gonna go with Wal-Mart because of the 3 yr warrenty.I have never seen a winch nattery last 3 yrs and still be good as we really work them here in Tullahoma.No local Trojan dealer here either.Brian - Original Message - From: "Jack Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? > I have not bought a deep cycle nattery for many years, so I thought this > would be easy. > > I just started looking for one of these, and was amazed to see that some of > the well known big retailers (like WallyMart) have only their own brands > now. The largest of the 'house brand' batteries do not seem to have that > much capacity, topping out at about 650 CCA. and maybe 150 reserve. Sears > biggest one is about this same size also. I called some of the tire outlets > and so far, they all seem to stop at about this size. > > We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all day > with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web site. > > What are you guys using for winch batteries for club flying? > > Thanks > > Jack Harper RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
I have not bought a deep cycle nattery for many years, so I thought this would be easy. I just started looking for one of these, and was amazed to see that some of the well known big retailers (like WallyMart) have only their own brands now. The largest of the 'house brand' batteries do not seem to have that much capacity, topping out at about 650 CCA. and maybe 150 reserve. Sears biggest one is about this same size also. I called some of the tire outlets and so far, they all seem to stop at about this size. We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all day with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web site. What are you guys using for winch batteries for club flying? Thanks Jack Harper RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Washout per unit length
Is there a "do not exceed" amount like maybe a so many fractions of a degree washout per foot span or something like that? Thanks. RVC RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] looking for John Hazel
Hello, I'm looking for contact info for John Hazel, anyone? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Skeg Story
Last year I decided to take in a contest in Florida..Iva and I need some warm weather..I called the CD and ask if skegs were allowed..All he said was "I think any one who needs a skeg to land needs more practice." I should have ask a more blunt question..So being the cooperative person that I try to be, I cut off a permanently mounted skeg..When I got to the event "EVERYONE" had a skeg but the C/D and me... I like them mostly for flap protection, but I have no problem complying with the call of the C/D for that event...Brian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Skegs
I completely agree with Simon, Klaus and others that skegs are crutches for most of us who can't land without them on the ridiculous runways for lawn darts often used in major US contests. We should adopt the FAI landing rules in US duration contests and forget skegs. Small (~1" high, 1/4" wide rounded) skids are quite sufficient for the FAI landing plan if you know how to land in a reasonable space. This would be much easier on our sailplanes and ourselves. Dale Nutter Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:56:44 -0800 From: Simon Van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Klaus Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Soaring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: SKEG's and Actual Piloting Skill Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have read here that the landing task is too easy, basically making it a landing contest. Skegs could be considered an external aid (like a crutch) to assist landing accurately. It would sure be interesting to observe how an individual's flying skill would increase if they actually had to manage the energy to land accurately and on time without one. I would have thought that most would have come to this conclusion, and made the landing task more difficult by removing this "landing aid" to make the whole process more challenging and no doubt more enjoyable. The argument that a skeg prevents sliding through the landing area and the dangers associated with this just points out that that particular aircraft is out of control. Klaus Weiss wrote: > > I have often commented, lightheartedly, on the use of skegs. We do not use > skegs at all, in Australia. I have yet to see someone injured by a model > sliding through the spot on landing. Admittedly, we use FAI landing spots, > but even so!! If a model touches someone on landing, then it is zero landing > points. Perhaps skegs have their place in the USA formats, but I think that > there is a risk of pilots becoming so dependant on them for landing, that > they forget how to land well. I haven't seen a U.S. TD contest. Perhaps > there are models flying all over the place in the landing zone. Landing > upwind, downwind, crosswind, vertically, inverted??? Don't know. Maybe skegs > are necessary :) Maybe the landing zone is really the hazard zone. > > Klaus K Weiss > Sydney, Australia > www.hsl.org.au
Re: [RCSE] Re: Unbuilt Kits Survey
What I can read between the lines is you are not married, or you need to bring your wive flowers home for every plane you had and thank her for being the best and most understanding wive ever lived! Smiles, Peter" RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Skegs
I'm sure that this discussion will probably never end anytime soon, but I'm always looking to learn the pros and cons surrounding this delicate subject. Although I've used skegs that may be easily mistaken for lost glider parts, I keep wondering why we continue to land this way, at least in the upper divisions of competitors. In the beginning, it did make sense for the novice pilots to practice and shoot landings without the fear of becoming an insurance liability. But now after all that training and practice (or lack of?), and having acquired barely enough skill to simply be in the same arena with some of the greatest thumbs out there, doesn't it also make sense to have absolute control of our glider's energy too? I trust that this method is not what we want to foster into our newer flyers and competitors. I've seen the looks on people who are inspired by our majestic gliders and who eagerly want to play, only to glaze over at the crunching sound of a beautiful (read: expensive) toy hitting the ground at a 45 degree angle. I like Larry's idea on creating a bonus for pilots who wish to address this energy management challenge for the rewards it offers. I'm sure it would be a great start to something new and a little more challenging. Maybe, it will just take one pilot, one who holds highly regarded stature, to stand up and proclaim "Thou shalt not skeg the earth with thy glider!". Skilled pilots everywhere will simply follow suit, leaving all skeg possessions behind, and not ask any questions. I think I would like to be in that line someday. I know there are other issues, especially of safety, which create a wall to overcome. So for now, I will epoxy on my flame suit, retire to my workshop and sharpen my skeg for the next contest. :^) Patrick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Tempest
Thanks to all who responded! I got the tempest link I was looking for! I'll be eyeballing the real deal in a couple of weeks at the SWC. The Tempest may make a nice addition to my 27 icons! Garland CASL
