[RCSE] How high is "high"

[Bill Johns]

You guys are all wondering about high altitudes.  Check this out.  None 
soaring, but neat technology:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3016082.stm

Cheers,

Bill

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[RCSE] What planes?

[AMA3655]

Sorry to be picking on you Gordy, you really don't deserve it. But I do enjoy picking on you, even when you are right. 

Since the Mid South is on your home turf this weekend (more or less) I nominate you to find out what we are all flying and post it here. Lemme see, that's hand launch, RES, hand launch golf, and 2 days unlimited. You are going to be busy!

A little birdie told me that you are going to join us at the Nats this year. Great! You've missed too much fun there in the past. Guess you'll have more opportunity to list planes we fly there as well. If you have any spare time you can help me out - I'm gonna be the winch master for Hand Launch.

see you this weekend - Rob Glover

Re: [RCSE] Thommys - model vario

[Raschow]

In a message dated 6/24/03 9:28:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<< Does Thommys have an USA distributor  >>

USA dealer at <>  FCC approval pending.
Good Lift!
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Re: [RCSE] Deer/Vehicle collisions - Defense gadget

[Johnny Berlin]

> And yes I clean them every time I was the vehicles.
> 
> Martin, By all means clean them. They make fine Summer Sausage


Johnny
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[RCSE] WOW! If you haven't been to Soar's site....!!!!

[GordySoar]

http://www.SOARchicago.com

Now these guys appreciate sailplanes!!!  Check out their score sheet, it reads like a who's who of sailplanes.

Now that's what I was talking about.

Great job Soar!

Gordy

Re: [RCSE] Deer/Vehicle collisions - Defense gadget

[Martin Doney]

Chris I have had them on all my vehicle for about ten years now. Some times
they work and some time they make the deer run,not always away.

And yes I clean them every time I was the vehicles.


Martin Doney
Baldwin, MI(the middle of nowhere)

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[RCSE] Thommys - model vario

[Steve Gibson]

Does Thommys have an USA distributor so I can read 
their variometer in English?
Thanks,
Steve G

Re: [RCSE] re: List of Planes

[James V. Bacus]

At 03:37 PM 6/24/2003, Anker Berg-Sonne wrote:
I didn't menton getting contestants to sign the safety sheet and fill out
the AMA contest form. That is hard enough. Adding a form asking contesants
what plane they are flying, what radio they are using, what color their
underwear is is just t much!
The way we got the model information at the recent SOAR contest was a trick 
that we learned by going to OVSS #2 at LOFT.  They had designed some real 
nice score cards that have a slot for that information at the top of the 
card.  TK got ahold of Denny Zech at LOFT, and Denny sent us a  copy so TK 
could take it over to Kinkos and get a bunch of them made up for SOAR.

Guys have the score cards in their hands many times a day, and they filled 
out the info for models that is on the SOAR web page.  No big deal, just a 
little more typing for the web master.

Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club,  AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV
ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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Re: [RCSE] LoLo Question

[Peter Jensen]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 04:55:03PM -0700, Bill Malvey wrote:
> For you LoLo owners (and I will be one soon), does the LoLo read altitude
> above sea level (ASL) or above ground level (AGL).

  I'm sure Sheldon will answer properly, but it just appears to be a
pressure sensor, data logger, some glue, and lots and lots of
experimentation and integration.  We're paying mostly for the latter,
which is quite fine by me.

  The actual data you download from the device is converted into
altitude with some simple-looking and adjustable formulas, and there's
a convenient way to normalize the ground level in the software. 


> Does it have a way to zero it or correct for barometric pressure?  Just
> curious. Thanks

  It "zeros" when you first start it up, as far as I can tell.
Obviously with a pressure-only altimeter (just like in a real plane)
if you fly to a place with a different ambient air pressure or if the
weather changes a whole lot things will be skewed a bit.

  In our application it should be easy to check for this by comparing
the difference between "ground level" at different points during the
day.

  FWIW, I took my Alti2 from ATL -> Las Vegas -> San Diego, and the
cabin pressure was around 6200' at cruising altitude on the first leg
and around 5000' on the second leg.  The ground readings look sane
(i.e. San Diego is lower than Atlanta, etc) and I used a 6 second
sampling rate.  Security didn't even stop on the 4-cell pack
shrink-wrapped with an Alti2 on it that was blinking. :)

-Peter

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[RCSE] LoLo Question

[Bill Malvey]

Title: LoLo Question



For you LoLo owners (and I will be one soon), does the LoLo read altitude above sea level (ASL) or above ground level (AGL).  

Does it have a way to zero it or correct for barometric pressure?  Just curious. Thanks
~~~
Bill Malvey

 

Re: [RCSE] List the planes? NOT

[Steve Meyer]

They are there!
http://www.SOARchicago.com
Read them and weep.
Courtesy of Tom Kallevang, CD

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[RCSE] Thanks to the Chicago SOAR guys

[Barry Andersen]

I had a great weekend in Chicago.  After a grueling drive through 
Chicago traffic Steve Siebenaler and I arrived at the practice field 
about 3 in the afternoon.   10K cross country attempt by Jack Strother 
in progress, Jim Bacus and Steve Meyer had just finished their 2K.  The 
boys got me in the air and in the back of a pickup in a jiffy.  Henry 
Bostick at the wheel and Jim McCarthy coaching.   Made the 2K without 
much altitude to spare, but with Jim's confident voice assuring me  we 
had it made.  Back at the field the air was great and Bacus had me in 
the air to finish my level IV one hour.  Jim flew most of the hour with 
his Icon along side me to scout lift, Steve Siebenaler joined in at the 
end;  big lift- good friends.  Thanks to all for a very memorable day 
of soaring.  The help from friends and teamwork makes this hobby all 
the more rewarding.

The SOAR guys get high marks for a very well run contest.  8 first 
class  winches on the line, all restrung with new line.  Not a single 
line break all weekend.  Beautiful park setting to fly in.  The contest 
was smoothly run by Tom Kallevang and other SOAR members.  Couldn't ask 
for a better contest.  Seeded man on man is fun, fair, and an adventure 
to the last round.  Great weather, tricky air, but great fun.   Thanks 
to Jack Strother and Steve Siebenaler for helping me find air and 
timing.  Thanks to Jim McCarthy and his wife for their hospitality on 
Saturday.

Barry Andersen
Cincinnati Soaring Society
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[RCSE] Altitude!

[Charlie Miller]

Good Afternoon!
A friend asked me the other day what I would guess the max altitude with an
open class ship (130 inch wing)
would be.
I say 2000 is spec out. This is comfortable enough to follow! Get your time,
and land.
The other day my friend did a lo-lo flight.. He took it up to a very
uncomfortable altitude. That turned out to be about 2500 feet...
Just the facts Mam! (Dragnet)
Cheers
Charlie


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[RCSE] Re: Altitude Braggers

[Soareyes]

Bill Malvey wrote:
>It would be interesting to replicate these claims on the ground. Have a
>helper hold the plane at a measured distance and see what you can see. 4700
>feet is nearly .9 miles, which is a pretty good distance. At that distance a
>120 inch span plane is only subtending 0.12 degrees of your visual field.
>That's a VERY small target for your eye.

Here's another way to look at this. The 20/20 line on the eye chart in your eye doctor's office has letters that subtend one minute of arc each, and since there are 60 minutes of arc in one degree, the 20/20 letter is about 0.017 degrees "tall". (I just measured the 20/20 E in my exam room and it is about 6mm high, and is about 15 feet from the exam chair. Yes, its a slow afternoon here.) So, assuming Bill's calculations above are correct, the sky is clear, the plane is dark against the bright sky, the wing chord is reasonably thick, and the pilot has 20/20 vision, the sailplane should be visible at that altitude. Just don't look away from it or you might not see it again! I lost my 4 meter Discus a few weeks ago in Visalia at a much lower altitude because the sky was very hazy, the wings were white, and I looked away for just an instant. Expensive lesson!
Stan Sadorf
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[RCSE] Winch Frames!

[Charlie Miller]

Good Afternoon!
Thanks to all that replied about winch frames..
I have one problem. The machined aluminum winch reel I have came with a
bearing to support the other end of the reel. I see the winch frames
available doesn't call for a support bearing. I would think the support
bearing would increase the life of the motor bushings.
So am I worried about a non-issue?
Thanks
Cheers
Charlie


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[RCSE] Crystal exchange

[Dan Obermeyer]

Is the crystal exchange at Radical RC still in operation?  I get no response to my 
email query.

Thanks

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Re: [RCSE] re: List of Planes

[Anker Berg-Sonne]

Let me try to be unemotional:

Being a CD for a regional contest is a big job. You have to prepare
everything, purchase prizes, organize helpers, take registrations before the
contest. During the contest you have to be the first at the field, the
hardest worker, the biggest worrier, the person who calls the helpers who
didn't show up, take registations, set up equipment, test equipment, pray
for no rain, deal with the whiners, deal with equipment failures, deal with
the line breakers and the pop-offers. After the contest you have to announce
the scores, tear everything down, entertain in the evening. The day after
the contest you are supposed to fill out the AMA paperwork in addition to
reporting scores and sending a report to the league, send refunds to the
jerks who didn't show up.

I didn't menton getting contestants to sign the safety sheet and fill out
the AMA contest form. That is hard enough. Adding a form asking contesants
what plane they are flying, what radio they are using, what color their
underwear is is just t much!

Anker
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Siegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:15 PM
Subject: [RCSE] re: List of Planes


> I too think it would be interesting to know what planes were flown by
> contest winners.  In addition, some other information could be helpful:
> Where did the pilots have breakfast that day and what did they eat?
> (3-bean burrito washed down by a Red Bull?)   Where did they stay the
> night before? (At a Holiday Inn Express?)  Did they "get lucky" the
> night before?
>
>
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Re: [RCSE] List the planes? NOT

[gldr guy]

 I guess what started this whole thread was Gordys comment about a team consisting of 
pilot AND plane.  If a "team" is to be listed, it should be pilot and TIMER.  Time and 
again the value of a good timer is overlooked, instead focusing on the latest and 
greatest planes being flown.  Perhaps in the results, pictures, etc, the truly 
important team member,the timer, should be included.
Walter  
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:26:02  
 AMA3655 wrote:
>His Gordiness sayeth:
>ALL Contest CDs please start making it mandatory to list the model flown.
>
>And I say:
>
>I find this an inappropriate comment coming from somebody who hasn't ever 
>bothered to become a CD and run a contest himself.
>
>I am a CD. I run the contest. I file the required reports to AMA in a timely 
>manner. Sometimes I post results to this forum, but I do not feel that that is 
>part of the job that a CD signs up for. I am busy. Sometimes I miss competing 
>to work contests, other times I miss building to shuffle papers for contests. 
>Being a CD does not pay well enough to make it financially sensible, but 
>there are other rewards so I will probably continue to CD a contest every year.
>
>The type of plane that somebody flies is only a small part of the win at any 
>rate, and it can sometimes be a misleading bit of information. 
>
>As a CD I do not feel that it is necessary or appropriate to generate 
>marketing information for anybody.
>
>If you really need to see who flew what then come to the contest and see for 
>yourself.
>
>happy trails - Rob Glover
>



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[RCSE] Sharon Center section?

[Lee Cox]

Once again I'm looking for a center section for a 3.7m Sharon??
even if damaged as long as spar is good color don't matter..
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[RCSE] Victory -C for sale

[REECE]

I have a Victory-C, I would like to sell . On a scale of 1 to 10 this is a 8
. New fuse, wings have some marks form being three years old. Nice flying
airplane ask Karl Miller how his flys.Come with servos and battery for $400
+ shipping. Thanks Reece



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RE: [RCSE] List the planes? NOT

[Sheldon - YNT uDesign]

I like suggestion Mike!

YES...PLEASE, By all means...The lowest battery voltage during the flight!!!
Then I can sell more BC6 Flight Monitors!!! 

We're gettin' way carried away with this thread...(sigh)

-Sheldon-
YNT uDesign

A Soaring Nationals Supporter

-Original Message-
From: Michael Lachowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:01 PM
To: Bill Malvey
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] List the planes? NOT


Why don't we add what transmitter and servos.  What the lowest battery
voltage was during the flight in addition to complete altitude logs,
temperature and wind direction for each flight.  Don't forget who the
guy is who is timing the flight.  And keep a scale around so you can
weight the guys sand bag when he steps up to the winch.  Since there are
inaccuracies in the airfoils, maybe we want the coordinates measured on
the airfoils in 10 location on each wing to the nearest 10'000th. Plus
three paragraphs that Gordy can use in his column ;-)

Bill Malvey wrote:
> On 6/24/03 8:26, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>His Gordiness sayeth:
>>ALL Contest CDs please start making it mandatory to list the model flown.
>
>
>
>>And I say:
>>
>>I find this an inappropriate comment coming from somebody who hasn't ever
>>bothered to become a CD and run a contest himself.
>
>
>
> How about Gordy self appoint himself the task of gathering and maintaining
> this very important database?? That way the CD need not worry about it
since
> they have more than enough to do.
>
> All Gordy has to do is contact each and every pilot at all the major
> contests and get them to tell him what they flew. After he complies the
data
> I will gladly donate the web space to post the results.
>
>
> ~~~
> Bill Malvey
>
>
>
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