[RCSE] 2 Day Bent Wing Contest CVRC This coming WeekEnd
ï This is just a reminder for the Bent Wing Coming this WeekEnd. May 1st and 2nd. Entry is on Club Web Site. Larry Taylor KF6JBGCVRC Visalia Fall Festival 2004Oct 2nd & 3rdClub Web is http://www.cvrcsoaring.comEd Hipp is this years CD. You can reach him at:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CVRC Upcoming Events for May CVRC Soaring Club - AMA #120Visalia, CA - www.cvrcsoaring.comUPCOMING EVENTS: May 2004 Bent Wing, 9 a.m. Sat & Sun, May 1 & 2, at Russell Pond Aero tow, Sat, May 15, at Russell Pond General Club Meeting 7 p.m. Wednesday, May 26, at Russell Pond âââ Work party Fri Apr. 30, 9 am for Bent Wing contest, any help appreciated. âââ
[RCSE] criss cross paint scheme at SWC
Here is the direct link to the model referenced. http://www.public.asu.edu/~vansanfo/casl/gallery/swc04/pages/swc04a45_JPG.ht m RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] criss cross paint scheme at SWC
I've seen this model (Sage product?) for a few years at the Southwest Classic in Phoenix each February. I'd like to know the striping paint type and application method (paint brush?). I'm about to put striping on Genie wing tips and I want that same "paint brush" look. Would the owner of this model please contact me or respond to the list. Maybe there are others that would like to know your method. Thanks, Garland Hanson Central Arizona Soaring League [EMAIL PROTECTED] File attachment: swc04a45_JPG.url The file attached to this email was removed because the file name is not allowed.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer CC remedies etc.
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Los Banos
Hey guys It must be very very easy to get your time with a SBXC than a Scale plane with a silly doll inside and fake gages and a larger wing span. He,he,he,he,he,he. = ; } Give me a Fu** break! Sounds like scale plane flyers think there better than cross country flyers or any buddy else. NOT! But that's just the attitude I see around the silly scale plane guys.. Got to love this BS. Cheers. Al The Old Bag Lady 530-343-1715 - Original Message - From: "Gregory Vasgerdsian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Albert Wedworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 4:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [RCSE] Re: Los Banos > Hey Al, > Hope I didn't got you in trouble with me post on the exchange. (said > with a hill-billy accent!) > > gregory > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: John Derstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:43:52 PM US/Pacific > > To: "'Gregory Vasgerdsian'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Los Banos > > > > Gold medal with a non scale ship??? I hope they followed the guidlines > > better than that. > > JD > > > > Endless Mountain Models > > http://www.scalesoaring.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gregory Vasgerdsian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:08 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [RCSE] Re: Los Banos > > > > Bruce DeVisser, Lynsel Miller, tug pilots and the rest of SBSS - thanks > > for the effort and a really nice weekend at the 11th annual Los Banos > > Scale Fun Fly!! I wish I could have made it for the whole event but one > > day is better than none. Temperatures were up but not blistering, and > > the new layout for aertowing/parking/sloping really worked well - an > > overdue change that was a great success. Quote of the day on Sunday had > > to be ... "Where the heck is the sink, I'm still going up!". Frankly a > > really nice enjoyable time with out the mob-scene of too many pilots > > and no "attitudes". Kudos to Al the old bag lady for catching a Gold > > Medal on Saturday flying an SBXC with one wing tip at 6-degrees and one > > at 3! And hopes that Walt's tug repair isn't too severe. See you guys > > in June with something new to Tug! Thanks for the food and fun. > > > > Gregory Vasgerdsian > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > > and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note > > that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only > > format > > with MIME turned off. > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Paint gun??
I use an Apollo HVLP gun with a turbine. Yes, it's loud, but then I don't need a big compressor to run it. I have the Apollo 700 that I picked up through Advanced Machinery. It's good enough for all the work I do. I've sprayed Klasskote, PVA, water based wood finishes and latex (with Flowtrol). For those that miss the K&B paint. Go and pick up some paint from KlassKote. The hardner might even work with your old K&B paint. It's still pretty expensive paint. It's what I use when painting my wings in the mold. The nice part about the turbine is you can take it anywhere to spray. It's a lot harder to move those big compressors. George Voss wrote: This is a subject near and dear to my heart. I've been painting for 15 years. I've got a 2hp 20-gallon tank 110. I originally purchased it when I was doing home remodeling for roofing. I use it now for painting and blowing things off. I started with a cheap $20 automotive suction feed detail gun that shoots at 40psi. It has tons of over spray but will work OK with proper technique. About a year ago I bought an HVLP top load gun from Harbor Freight for about $50. It's a completely different animal as far as how it handles. I wasn't happy with it overall but I haven't spent enough time shooting with it. 2 months ago I decided to find out if a high dollar name brand unit was really better than the knock-offs. I bought an Iwata LHP 100, which is an HVLP side load gun. By far it's the best gun I own, not only from a build-quality standpoint, but from the way it sprays and reduces over spray. I spent a ton of $ to get a bunch of K&B paint before they went out of business and I can't afford to have 75% of it spraying the garage walls, doors and floor. It shoots at 20psi at the inlet and 10psi at the nozzle. This cuts way down on over spray. If I had to do it all over again, I'd get a 220V stand up compressor with a 60-gallon tank. I don't need a portable unit anymore and at 220V it only takes a few seconds to fill the tank. You can pick them up for about $350 if you look around, and less if you buy used. If you don't mind the over spray, the $20 auto detail gun is fine. The HVLP guns need a different technique so you might as well spend the little extra and get the Harbor Freight unit. If money isn't an issue, get the Iwata gun. You'll never need to replace it with anything else and it's definitely the best gun I've ever used. If you wan a good deal on a generic HVLP gun, I'll sell you my HF unit for $35 shipped. gv -Original Message- From: gldr guy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Paint gun?? Im tired of spray can finishes on my fuses. Is there a reasonably priced hobby type set up, maybe with a gravity feed spay gun that I could use to spray out my fuses? Not looking for some expensive exotic set up, just something that will work decently for a fuse now and then. Thanks, Walter --- GG Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] CASA Spring Aerotow
I believe most had a good time Saturday at the CASA Spring Aerotow. I, unfortunately, could not make Sunday. Also I have not been able to post Saturday pictures because www.SoarCASA.org has been down (and is still). Bert
Re: [RCSE] Re: Los Banos
Gregory Vasgerdsian wrote: Bruce DeVisser, Lynsel Miller, tug pilots and the rest of SBSS - thanks for the effort and a really nice weekend at the 11th annual Los Banos Scale Fun Fly!! I'd just like to echo this sentiment as well. This was my first trip to Los Banos and I absolutely love the site. My first taste of aerotowing went extremely smoothly thanks to the great efforts of all the tug pilots and especially Ken (didn't get the last name) who was kind enough to really walk me through my first tow. I got towed up a bunch over both days and really had a blast with my tiny 2m Fox. I didn't mind the lack of slope lift; as a longtime surfer I'm quite familiar with the fact that sometimes it's just "flat". The camaraderie more than made up it. Hopefully I'll be back next year with a proper size airplane (i.e. one that I can actually *see* once it gets off tow!!) Thanks all, Steve Lange RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Paint gun/Thanks
Thanks to all who replied with spray gun info. Walter --- GG On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:20:17 gldr guy wrote: >Im tired of spray can finishes on my fuses. Is there a reasonably priced hobby type >set up, maybe with a gravity feed spay gun that I could use to spray out my fuses? >Not looking for some expensive exotic set up, just something that will work decently >for a fuse now and then. >Thanks, Walter >--- >GG > > > >Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and >"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and >unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: Spam Alert: RE: [RCSE] Paint gun?? Compressor?
Hi Jeff, I agree about the side benefits of getting a compressor. If you *do* use the compressor to blow off anything make sure you know where all the "stuff" is going. I had finished sanding the fuse of my plane recently and was doing some work with the CA on the building board. Since I sometimes get an ill feeling from CA I decided to set up a fan and open a window. As soon as the fan started up I found the folly in my new arrangement... balsa dust went flying everywhere. All over my stereo, cutting board, rolls of covering and my tool shelves etc. It took me 1/2 day just to get the mess somewhat cleaned up so I could cover the plane and I am sure there are still spots I missed! Moral of the story: watch where you point that thing. I use a 5hp portable wet/dry vac with a brush attachment to get most of the dust off the plane, then take my new compressor (a 6 gallon pancake Porter-Cable) close to the basement door and blow off any remaining dust outside. You also have to be careful not to aim that high pressure hose at anything too delicate. I can see some of the lighter weight ribs getting damaged! Stuart aka fprintf Cheshire, CT USA -Original Message- From: Jeff Gortatowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spam Alert: RE: [RCSE] Paint gun?? Compressor? --- John Derstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Before you invest in hundreds of dollars worth of support gear, give > some thought to the fact that a spray gun finish is not necessarily > "Better" by definition. > JD All true. But another 'good thing' about getting a spray gun is you wind up getting a compressor. And a compressor, even if only a small one, and a blow gun is so very very useful for cleaning off items. That alone is worth the price of admission IMO. Having compressed air on hand is exordinarily useful addition to one's shop. YMMV. Jeff Anticipating a compressor is why I installed an extra 220/240v outlet in my garage during our remodel. Now who has a recommendation on a 'quiet' compressor? = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California "Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. " - W.C. Fields "What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch?" - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer CC remedies etc.
> Pardon me. I've not seen a Bubble Dancer so I'm still just a bit fuzzy here. > > A 3 meter that only weighs 32ozs!! Is it me or is this just flat astounding? > Yeow! May I assume that this is the plane to beat on any light wind day? Bill, The plans were published in late 2001.The build is complex enough to turn off most ARF type flyers, that few were flying any until the Ava (close descendant) showed up.Not only is the Bubble Dancer almost a scratch build, you have to go to several suppliers to get all the parts. At this time, laser cut ribs, fuse pod, tailboom, and stab mounts are available prefab. Go to the links provided by Mark's earlier email today, and see what's available. For a direct link to the plans: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Bubble_Dancer/bd_V3.pdf Many of Mark's other designs are posted in the files folder, and at http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles.htm BTW, the Bubble Dancer is not a "gas bag". Airfoils were specifically designed to have an excellent L/D at it's designed flying weight. The Ava is significantly over the BD design weight. Probably a compromise to improve manufacturability. Jon Stone RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] changing standar decalage (Bobcat)
Oscar, The first and foremost item is the CG. Generally speaking you should get the CG correct before changing just about anything else, including the incidence. First adjust the CG (the minor trim changes this will require are fine). Yes, it will most likely be different than the location given in the instructions. You'll almost always arrive at a different location than that given in the plans. Move it around and see what it does. Fly the plane quite a bit between changes. Once the CG is right, according to your preferences; then adjust the incidence. This is done by simply looking at the trim position of the elevator. If it's up, increase incidence. If it's down, decrease incidence. If it's flat, do nothing. Incidence is the angle of attack of the wing with respect to the tail. It's usually referenced to the imaginary line connecting the wing's LE to the TE. But it doesn't really matter. Empirical is the best and easiest way to choose the proper setting. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Paint gun?? Compressor?
Ya! Put it out side in a insulated box! Take care. AL The Old Bag Lady 530-343-1715 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Gortatowsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Paint gun?? Compressor? > > --- John Derstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Before you invest in hundreds of dollars worth of support gear, give > > some thought to the fact that a spray gun finish is not necessarily > > "Better" by definition. > > JD > > > All true. But another 'good thing' about getting a spray gun is you wind up > getting a compressor. And a compressor, even if only a small one, and a blow > gun is so very very useful for cleaning off items. That alone is worth the > price of admission IMO. Having compressed air on hand is exordinarily useful > addition to one's shop. YMMV. > > Jeff > > Anticipating a compressor is why I installed an extra 220/240v outlet in my > garage during our remodel. Now who has a recommendation on a 'quiet' > compressor? > > > = > --- > Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky > La Habra Heights, California > > "Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. " - W.C. Fields > "What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch?" - W.C. Fields > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Paint gun??
This is a subject near and dear to my heart. I've been painting for 15 years. I've got a 2hp 20-gallon tank 110. I originally purchased it when I was doing home remodeling for roofing. I use it now for painting and blowing things off. I started with a cheap $20 automotive suction feed detail gun that shoots at 40psi. It has tons of over spray but will work OK with proper technique. About a year ago I bought an HVLP top load gun from Harbor Freight for about $50. It's a completely different animal as far as how it handles. I wasn't happy with it overall but I haven't spent enough time shooting with it. 2 months ago I decided to find out if a high dollar name brand unit was really better than the knock-offs. I bought an Iwata LHP 100, which is an HVLP side load gun. By far it's the best gun I own, not only from a build-quality standpoint, but from the way it sprays and reduces over spray. I spent a ton of $ to get a bunch of K&B paint before they went out of business and I can't afford to have 75% of it spraying the garage walls, doors and floor. It shoots at 20psi at the inlet and 10psi at the nozzle. This cuts way down on over spray. If I had to do it all over again, I'd get a 220V stand up compressor with a 60-gallon tank. I don't need a portable unit anymore and at 220V it only takes a few seconds to fill the tank. You can pick them up for about $350 if you look around, and less if you buy used. If you don't mind the over spray, the $20 auto detail gun is fine. The HVLP guns need a different technique so you might as well spend the little extra and get the Harbor Freight unit. If money isn't an issue, get the Iwata gun. You'll never need to replace it with anything else and it's definitely the best gun I've ever used. If you wan a good deal on a generic HVLP gun, I'll sell you my HF unit for $35 shipped. gv -Original Message- From: gldr guy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Paint gun?? Im tired of spray can finishes on my fuses. Is there a reasonably priced hobby type set up, maybe with a gravity feed spay gun that I could use to spray out my fuses? Not looking for some expensive exotic set up, just something that will work decently for a fuse now and then. Thanks, Walter --- GG Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] changing standar decalage (Bobcat)
Hi, I know the Bobcat is a cheap and low performance saiplane, however, I am still flying my second bobcat at the slope and getting a lot of fun and also a lot of training of what can be do at the slope. right now I am flying it with 10 additional OZ of ballast wich made it very stable even on erratic winds, however I noticed that it was flying like a hevy nose plane, but I checked and it was exactly 3" from the LE as stated on the manual, I took a look at the decalage and I decided that there were a lot of angle, so I decided to put a 1/4 sqrt balsa block behind the TE and removed a bunch of lead from the nose, the improvemente was great: it is faster and more responsive and docile. so I would like to make a permanenet adjustment and wonder if somebody knows what would be the optimal decalage on this plane for aerobatics at the slope. How backward should I try to set the CG? in order to measure the decalage, should it be used the line of the flat bottom of the wing ? or should I use a line that goes from the most forward point of the LE (usually around 1/3 of the airfoil heigh) and the TE? Can I apply the same criteria for an SD737 od SD321 airfoil and others that are semiflat? (flat form the SPAR to the TE) thanks in advance Oscar Taboada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer CC remedies etc.
>>over 3 meter span and weighs 32ozs or so Pardon me. I've not seen a Bubble Dancer so I'm still just a bit fuzzy here. A 3 meter that only weighs 32ozs!! Is it me or is this just flat astounding? Yeow! May I assume that this is the plane to beat on any light wind day? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
