Re: [RCSE] 9303 question
That JR landing mode switch set up can be dangerous. Forgot to flip the landing mode switch during a winch malfunction/pop off, hit myself in the hand with a plane that wouldnt slow down, cut my flying thumb 3/4 of the way around to the bone. Couldnt fly for almost three months. I still use landing mode but make sure and have it on during launch in case things get hairy real fast. When I get the Evo going will use the left stick for landing flap and the slider for camber change. Needless to say I am not a big fan of the JR landing/flight mode switch. Walter - Original Message - From: Barry Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:39:57 -0400 To: RCSE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [RCSE] 9303 question > I noticed when looking at the 9303 manual download (thanks Jon), that > the stock set-up has a "landing mode". > > Does this mean you have to pull a switch to have the left stick operate > the flaps fully and not camber as in some other JR radios? > > Barry > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Happiness Is
I have shipped in plywood with pine corners outside. Probably local people were blind. Rick Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:48:50 -0400 From: John Derstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'James V Bacus' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Happiness Is Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The only way to insure no damage in shipping sailplanes is to wrap the box with 1/8" Luan ply. UPS won't allow plywood on the outside, so you just hot glue it to the inside. Fedex doesn't care. It is $6.00 per 4x8 sheet, cheap insurance. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Tom Scully contact me
Tom drop me a note as I do not have your e-mail address. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] JR-Circus radio question
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 12:52:36PM -0700, Jeff & Constance Reagan wrote: |Anbody out there remember the radios that JR made for Circus Hobbies, |circa 1985? Were the receivers that came with those radios narrow |band/dual conversion? I don't remember these (I wasn't even in the hobby at the time), but I believe that it was 1988 or so that they even started selling narrow band equipment. After 1992, all transmitters manufactured must be narrow band. Previous to 1988 I believe all (most?) radios were set up for 80 kHz channel seperations. I think it was only 1988 that they started making radios that could handle 40 kHz channel seperations -- which is still not narrow band. And in 1991 or so they started making narrow band equipment, and in 1998 narrow band equipment became legally mandatory. If it really was made in 1985, I *seriously* doubt it's narrow band. Of course, it's still legal to use it if you wish -- it's only transmitters that legally must be narrow band. I wouldn't trust it in a plane, but it ought to be ok for bench work (though it might be a bit dangerous for use with electric planes, even on the bench.) You could test it by tranmsitting on it's channel and an adjacent channel, but even that isn't a proper test, because a pager tower could be using the bandwidth between those two channels. Here's a reference for much of this -- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1992Sep14.210033.4399%40bmerh85.bnr.ca -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blessed are they that run around in circles, for they shall be known as wheels. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Dual Rate / Exponential
I use a Futaba 9CH with triple rate. I believe the ability to change rates while in-flight is very useful especially in conjunction with exponential. Though there are times when the full throw specified for a given model is very necessary (recovering from mistakes, pop-offs, broken lines, crosswind landings, ground effect on landing and many more), in most cases, without a very light thumb, it's to much for general thermal flying. Dual rate (in my case triple rate) in conjunction with exponential, when set up correctly, can help to solves this problem. The following is an example of a standard 6 servo set up that I use on my Open Class Sailplanes. Though this example will show use of triple rate you can set up almost the same with dual rate. You must be sure that exponential and triple/dual rate are actuated by the same switch. TRIPLE/DUAL RATEEXPONENTIALUSE First position on triple or dual rate/exponential switch: Launch, Land and Turbulent air. AILE -100% rt. -50 % lt. -50 % ELE-100 %up -25 %down -35 % RUD -100 %rt. -45 % lt. -45 % Second position on triple or dual rate/exponential switch: Most flight conditions. AILE -70%rt. -0 % lt. -0 % ELE-85 % up -15 %down -25 % RUD -80 % rt. -25 % lt. -25 % Third position on triple or dual rate/exponential switch: Light thermal conditions. AILE -55%rt. -20 % lt. -20 % ELE-75 % up -10 %down -20 % RUD -65 % rt. -10 % lt. -10 % As you can see the exponential setting is reduced as the throw is reduce. In this way you still retain good response. When the exponential cut-off point is reached (about 1/2 stick on most transmitters) full response is restored. My conclusion: The use of Triple/Dual rate in conjunction with Exponential helps to overcome many of the problems that result from to much or to little control throw for a specific situation. I believe if it used correctly it can help many improve their flying skills. Just what I think. Maurice - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: [RCSE] Dual Rate / Exponential Got a bit of a debate going locally on the merits of dual rate and exponential. Some folks like it, some don't. Any comments from the exchange on this one? We were thinking about doing an overview article for RCSD but the opinions are mixed and strong. Looking for any feedback from users or non-users. If the article is written, I'll provide attribution as appropriate. For the record, I use negative exponential for ailerons on launch and when working real light thermals. My normal control authority is fast so this helps with over controlling in touchy situations. I'm told this is wimping out but it seems to work for me. On-line or off-line comments welcome. - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] JR-Circus radio question
Anbody out there remember the radios that JR made for Circus Hobbies, circa 1985? Were the receivers that came with those radios narrow band/dual conversion? TIA Jeff Reagan Fresno, CA
[RCSE] Repair of broken Becker Antenna
Hi folks, Unfortunately, I was dumb enough to bend the second-last segment on my Becker antenna when I bent down to pick up my sailplane on the weekend. I didn't even notice that I'd done it until I got back to the car...oh well. After noticing that the telescoping sections appeared to be brass, I stripped the paint off the bent (now snapped) sections, and straightened the tube with an awl and a piece of music wire that fit the inside diameter. After finding a piece of brass that nested inside the previously-bent sections, I snipped off a section less than 1/4" long, and soldered the antenna back together using the tube as an internal splint/stiffener. A little paint should have it back looking as good as new, with the only lasting damage being that the tip section only collapses about halfway now. Any chance my repair has (significantly) changed the behaviour of the antenna? I can range check using a friend's undamaged antenna just to be safe, but I'm sort of curious what the effect would be from an academic standpoint. Any thoughts? FWIW - I really missed having the antenna when I went out again the next day. I'd forgotten how much of a pain it is to fly with those stock antennas! Cheers, Adam Adam Till Mechanical Engineer 403-270-9200 (ext 154) 403-270-0399 (Fax) UMA Engineering Ltd. 2540 Kensington Road NW Calgary AB, Canada T2N 3S3 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] FS: (NIB) Pike Superior X-tail
That is partly true. Samba is producing as much as possible (and have done that for a while) and cannot produce more without expanding (and I dont think they will since it is difficult to get good workers). But there are also pilots regretting their order so there will be available models. I know as I will have several models with no owner during the winter/spring. There is also models in storage by some of Samba's dealers... Actually my friend in Norway Petter Østbye have both Brio, Superior and WR in storage at good (old) prices. Sorry for the commercial bandwith. I just had to reply and a good reason to let you have some reading done: www.f3j.com/setup.htm - Setup of an F3X-model I have some more articles about thermal hunting and stuff but think they will be for the R/C Soaring Digest if they will take it. I regret I never had a subscription and wish them good luck. I remember some old issues even i Norway many years ago. Hilsen (Regards) Jo Grini www.grini.no From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 9:42 am Subject: [RCSE] FS: (NIB) Pike Superior X-tail Guys, I think that I heard the wait on an ordered one today is Jan 2006 In case you were trying to decide :-) Gordy Windsor England this week RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Dual Rate / Exponential
Those who argue against expo vs. dual rates or vica versa are missing the point. There is no "better", it depends on what you're flying and how you fly. In large scale aerobatics exponential is nearly a requirement when performing certain maneuvers. You need to cancel out movement around center to avoid input of an unwanted control during 3D or extremely quick maneuvers (multiple point rolls). With the generally small control throws required for 90% of thermal flying it really probably makes little difference one way or the other. Some guys will opt for one high rate with expo around neutral to soften control at center positions of the stick with wild throws when they need it. Others think that flipping rate switches is the way to go. My observations lead me to conclude the more kinds of models a pilot flies, the more experienced he is, and the more complex the models programming, the more likely he will be to use exponential in some fashion. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Andrew E Mileski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Dual Rate / Exponential [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Got a bit of a debate going locally on the merits of dual rate and > exponential. > > For the record, I use negative exponential for ailerons on launch and > when working real light thermals. My normal control authority is fast so > this helps with over controlling in touchy situations. I'm told this is > wimping out but it seems to work for me. I normally put expo (reduce throw) on the low rate, and linear on the high. Both with full travel. I find most planes are more responsive than my thumbs are precise, hence I mostly use the low rate, On my customized Zagi, I use a HEFTY amount of expo to compensate for its sensitivity and higher speed. This is another one of those "do whatever works for you" topics. -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Dual Rate / Exponential
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a bit of a debate going locally on the merits of dual rate and exponential. For the record, I use negative exponential for ailerons on launch and when working real light thermals. My normal control authority is fast so this helps with over controlling in touchy situations. I'm told this is wimping out but it seems to work for me. I normally put expo (reduce throw) on the low rate, and linear on the high. Both with full travel. I find most planes are more responsive than my thumbs are precise, hence I mostly use the low rate, On my customized Zagi, I use a HEFTY amount of expo to compensate for its sensitivity and higher speed. This is another one of those "do whatever works for you" topics. -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Level IV Finally
Congrats Terry! I really enjoy reading things like this on the exchange. At 01:11 AM 9/6/2004, Terry Mickle wrote: As an earlier posting mentioned, I finally completed my Level IV requirements. What wasn't mentioned was how long it took me. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Next LSF Level V
Congrats Mark. At 10:38 PM 9/6/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations to RMSA member Mark Howard who completed his 8 hour LSF slope flight yesterday and will be joining the Level V club! Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
Re: [RCSE] Dual Rate / Exponential
Yes, you are correct. At 11:30 AM 9/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some folks like it, some don't. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Dual Rate / Exponential
Got a bit of a debate going locally on the merits of dual rate and exponential. Some folks like it, some don't. Any comments from the exchange on this one? We were thinking about doing an overview article for RCSD but the opinions are mixed and strong. Looking for any feedback from users or non-users. If the article is written, I'll provide attribution as appropriate. For the record, I use negative exponential for ailerons on launch and when working real light thermals. My normal control authority is fast so this helps with over controlling in touchy situations. I'm told this is wimping out but it seems to work for me. On-line or off-line comments welcome. - Dave R
RE: [RCSE] extended legth servo arms
The hobby shops usually carry them. That's where I got mine. Robert SamuelsSt. Louis From: "DANIEL FINK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [RCSE] extended legth servo arms Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:51:33 -0700 Looking for some extended length sevo arms for the jr 368's. Anybody know of some? Dan Fink RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
