Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition...
I now live in Port Angeles, WA and have 5 parks I can fly my DLG within 2 miles of my house. others from Washington State are well known on the Left Coast but do not seem to find Indiana in the summertime worth the effort. -- Dick Barker Port Angeles, WA - Turning HLG Around - He has a good point, you would have to be a nut case to leave the San Juan Islands in the summer M. Mech (happily typing from Lummi Island) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition...
Three or so years ago I traveled from Seattle to Visalia just to fly in a DLG fun fly on the first evening. I doubt that I will ever attend another NATS now that they are held so far away from the West Coast. I remember back when the LSF used to hold West coast contests in Santa Rosa CA and other locations. We even had a regional LSF contest in Seattle at the SASS field at 60 Acres South. I also traveled to Queen Creek Arizona in 200o to get the Old Buzzard's signature on my Sunbird Wing. I will probably remain a level 4 LSF (#557) forever unless I get really lucky in a bunch of bigger than normal West Coast contests. On the other hand, I have the memories of great West Coast contests in Vernon BC, Seattle, Salem, Santa Rosa, Richland, Spokane, etc. I remember the First year that Col. Thacker entered his Baby Bollis in Scale in California. I also remember him riding a bike around the pit area and having at least 4 changes of clothes during the day. I now live in Port Angeles, WA and have 5 parks I can fly my DLG within 2 miles of my house. No one I know within 30 miles of here even knows what a DLG is. Well, not exactly, Marc Mech is in the Bellingham area which is less than that by boat but a really long way by car. Harley Michaelis, Scobie Puchtler, Phil Pearson, Adam Weston, Tim Johnson, Sherman Knight, Bill Kuhlman, Dave Beardsley, Russ Young and many others from Washington State are well known on the Left Coast but do not seem to find Indiana in the summertime worth the effort. -- Dick Barker Port Angeles, WA - Turning HLG Around - Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en In a message dated 8/3/2005 2:24:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >From people's experience and unbiased opinions?, what would be the best >organized competitions, meets, or fun flys have they encountered? Al, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Gamblers Gale Contest
For those who could not make it to the contest.! ! ! Check out www.sierrasilentsoarers.com for the results and photos of this Beautiful flying site. Lee Cox CD See you at Visalia?? LeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[RCSE] Thanks Jo Grini
Jo, When Rob Glover asked me if we should invite you to join our F3J crew at the NATS, I must admit to some apprehension. I knew that none of us were at the same level as you and I was worried that we might somehow cause you to be distracted from an outstanding performance. I was dead WRONG! You took us under your wing from the first meeting. Patiently helping us measure the line, install the condoms, tie the knots, supervise the equipment setup and keep the line cool. During the contest, you nurtured us to our best performances ever. It was amazing to see you fly great rounds from launches provided by towers who had never done it before. Thanks for your patience, guidance and friendship. Hilsen Don Richmond for the Arrogant Bastard team Rob Glover Larry Ruble
Re: [RCSE] Optima charging ?
Either or will suffice Dave. As long as the charger has smarts to detect a full battery. D Hauch wrote: hey guys, i use Optima Yellow top winch batteries, what is the best charge rate for these, 10amp or 2amp for the best longevity ? thanks, Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Grand Esprit Help
From: "ROBERT M GELLART" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Got a new Grand, but have kind of forgotten > what the throws were on the ruddervators, > any help appreciatted... > Marc Marc, Rig the tapered elevons so the top surface is flat... the top of the moving part is a natural extension of the top of the fixed part. Then... Rudder command: +/- 3/4" from neutral Elevator command +/- 1/2" from neutral Measured at inboard trailing edge, full stick movement with neutral trim levers. Enjoy, Tim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] OLY ll ARF ..isn't it about time?
Ray, Cool, I may have to jump on one... figuratively. I've got a couple of old Airtronics Oly II's that are fine structurally but getting a little shop worn. They need to be re-covered and I really don't have the time. An ARF might be the answer. What is the status of the Oly III ? Regards, Tim From: "Ray Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [balsasailplanes] OLY ll ARF ..isn't it about time? > > Well, I'm finally going to do it. Sky Bench owns > the rights to the Airtronics OLY ll and we are > now gearing up to produce this great old timer > as an ARC and ARF kits with a choice of a > thermal version and electric powered. I expect > to ship the first one mid September. > > Details with pricing will appear on my web site > within two weeks. Look for the OLY ll ARF menu > button in the directory column. > > Prices will start at approximately $159.95 for the > ARC version. Restricted World Wide shipping > will be available. > > Already covered (ARF) OLY's should start becoming > available in November. > > Made in USA of the highest quality materials and > modern engineering design to produce a very > strong and durable sailplane for beginners and all others. > > Ray Hayes > http://www.skybench.com > Home of Wood Crafters RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Grand Esprit Help
Got a new Grand, but have kind of forgotten what the throws were on the ruddervators, any help appreciatted... Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Optima charging ?
hey guys, i use Optima Yellow top winch batteries, what is the best charge rate for these, 10amp or 2amp for the best longevity ? thanks, Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] "For those of you who haven't had the Nats Adventure...."
http://www.f3x.no/nats/ Check out JoJo's website, he has an incredible photo/word diary of the entire trip, including some close ups of our indoor football teams cheerleaders, and our battle to get a buffallo to move at Buffallo Trace Burbon Distillery (yes after the tastings :-). For those RCSE content police, guess what, tons of soaring content too. He is an incredible photo journalist and you'll see it when you see the shot of Bruce Davidson tossing a DLG. Look at the pictures and read the text...and wish that you all could speak english as well as him :-) Thanks JoJo! Gordy Louisville, this weekend, then off to Maine, Jersey,Virginia
[RCSE] (Was) Re: WTB an Image
I am now the happy owner of a very nice used Image. Thanks again RCSE for making me a very happy Guy!!! This thing is nice Smiling from ear to ear, John Fruge - Original Message - From: John D Frugé To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:07 AM Subject: WTB an Image I am looking for a Used in good shape or New Image. I have a Soprano RES RTF I would be willing to trade or sell to fund. Please contact me offline. Thanks, John Fruge
RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT - NOT
Just a reminder...Don't forget...Butch was in that 84%!!! -Original Message- From: tony estep [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:17 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT - NOT --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It is the small things like wearing the "I beat Gordy" badge after the > F3J event A badge that was earned by 84% of eligible F3J entrants. The remaining 16% are condemned to listen to Gordy's advice until next year. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT - NOT
Heck Don...For you it's always "fun" to fly! It was great seeing you at the NATS... -Sheldon- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.comCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT - NOT In a message dated 8/3/2005 8:36:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What keeps me coming back to any contest is. "Competition is the glue that binds us together, and it is a life time glue. For some strange reason it just works this way,"A little POed Dr. Dan, I agree with you and Jim on your perspective on the NATS. I just finished 12 days at Muncie participating in 13 competitive events that required 9 different models. No where in the world can you get so much action in such a well organized environment. I have attended the NATS for 10 years (9 in Muncie) and have enjoy it more each year. The LSF and NEAC (electric) SIGS do a great job organizing and running the events. For some events it is a fun fly for me as I am not competitive with Tom, Daryl, Josh, Mike (s) and many others. It is the small things like wearing the "I beat Gordy" badge after the F3J event that make it fun. The conversations with new and old friends and the endless stories add to the attraction and will bring me back next year. Fun fly? I don't understand the concept. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA (Albuquerque, NM today)[EMAIL PROTECTED]hilaunch.com
Re: [SA] RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
Pima is very cool, but this time of year bring lots of water and a Big Sombrero Hat... Darcy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "1-GSAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "1-IMAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "1-Soaring List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [SA] RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places Brilliant idea! Anyone know more about this? Thanks for all the responses so far folks... Quoting John Diniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The aircraft "Bone Yard" down at DMAFB in Tucson is an incredible site. It has been a long time since I've visited, but I think there are tours available. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List Subject: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places I will be in in Scottsdale and Tucson on business again next week, and will be visiting a few OEM's. What other interesting things/places/exhibits/etc is there to see/visit please. Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is in no way affiliated with IMAC or it's membership. Views discussed here should not be construed as official news or views. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mini-iac/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats Thanks
I tried posting this earlier, but yahoo ate it. So here is redone version with some changes based on recent discussions here. Hi all, Just wanted to publicly thank the LSF and AMA for putting on another great NATS. This is a monumental task and the LSF does a fantastic job of making it look easy. I'm not sure how many of you really understand the challenges of successfully holding such an event. The format that the LSF has evolved over the years is really something special. While some may argue there should be x number of days of this event and y number of days of another event, there are some valid points and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I wouldn't mind seeing some changes in this regard as well, but that is not what I'm talking about here. The man on man format with open entry is a truly fantastic balance of addressing the needs of the social/novice flyer as well as the seasoned competitor. There are some aspects that may seem harsh to the novice or sportflyer (no pop offs - only "low launches"), but this is a necessity for a contest of this size and will surely encourage people to fix any pop off problems they may have for future NATS. Then there is the staggered launching. The seasoned competitor would prefer a mass launch, but for the novice or sportflyer, the staggered launch is appreciated. One of the subtle things I really appreciate about the winch crew is the understanding they have of who is launching and how hard to push them. If the person is new or nervous or has a health issue, they will give them a few extra seconds to launch. I'm sure they miss a few, but on the whole they do their best to minimize the pressure put on the contestants. What I really like about the winch crew is their persistence and even tone regardless of what happens with the previous launch. Regardless of a pop off, folded wing, pop in, once the line is clear you'll here "Launch 8" or what ever is the next winch. So thanks guys, you do a great job! (Stumper, JT, Jack, Martin, Steve, et al) Then there is the Event director and the CD's. I am always impressed at the effort and thought that goes into the event before it even starts. Us competitive glider guys can be a squirrelly bunch and it takes a lot of effort to think of all the goofy things we might do to screw up a contest. So my hats off to you guys for all the careful planning and clarifications to minimize any potential conflicts. The landing task and setup was probably one of the best/safest of any NATS I've been to. Hope to see it again next year. The CD's also did an excellent job of calling the tasks for the conditions. It is not easy to balance calling challenging times and keeping the contest moving. Thanks Marc, Ed, Phil, Jack, and Mark for a great week! The impound this year was the best I've seen it. There were no shoot downs due to left on TX's. Tom Broeski's trays made things go super smooth and quick. Thanks Tom, that was a great idea. One of the things I really appreciate is that the impound and the CD make it almost impossible for you to miss a round. In the heat it is really easy to lose track of time and potentially miss your group. Missing your group can really screw up your day. Thanks Marna and crew for doing a great job it is much appreciated. The scoring at the NATS is yet another amazing thing. Robin Meek and his crew do an incredible job. I really appreciate the time they take to make sure there are no errors. For example, one round in HL I only turned in three times out of a possible four. Robin personally tracked me down to make sure this was correct. I had landed out one flight and indeed had only posted 3 scores, but it is nice to see the score keepers being attentive and taking the time to make sure there are no honest mistakes being made. There is little worse than being knocked out of a contest due to a simple record keeping error. So thanks Robin and crew, your efforts are appreciated and don't go unnoticed. What impressed me most this year was Sheldon, Sara, and the turnaround crew. The kids do a fantastic job of bringing the lines back. Sheldon does an amazing job of keeping a dozen or so kids happy and working. During the 2 meter days was especially impressive. The temperature was in the upper 90's and felt like well over 100 - yet Sheldon and the kids kept the lines coming back without complaint. Really impressive - Thanks guys! Just some final thoughts. A contest is what you make it. If your a sportflyer and not into contests, you can still go to the NATS and have fun. There is plenty of time to look at new/different models and talk to people from around the country. If your new to contest flying, the NATS are a great place to learn. This is one of the things I like about the open format. It offers the opportunity for people to meet and talk to some of the best in the country. Pre-qualifying should be left for Team Selectio
Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT - NOT
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It is the small things like wearing the "I beat Gordy" badge after > the F3J event A badge that was earned by 84% of eligible F3J entrants. The remaining 16% are condemned to listen to Gordy's advice until next year. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
The Bone Yard is a must see. Still a C-130 out there with my name on it. Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT - NOT
In a message dated 8/3/2005 8:36:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What keeps me coming back to any contest is. "Competition is the glue that binds us together, and it is a life time glue. For some strange reason it just works this way,"A little POed Dr. Dan, I agree with you and Jim on your perspective on the NATS. I just finished 12 days at Muncie participating in 13 competitive events that required 9 different models. No where in the world can you get so much action in such a well organized environment. I have attended the NATS for 10 years (9 in Muncie) and have enjoy it more each year. The LSF and NEAC (electric) SIGS do a great job organizing and running the events. For some events it is a fun fly for me as I am not competitive with Tom, Daryl, Josh, Mike (s) and many others. It is the small things like wearing the "I beat Gordy" badge after the F3J event that make it fun. The conversations with new and old friends and the endless stories add to the attraction and will bring me back next year. Fun fly? I don't understand the concept. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA (Albuquerque, NM today)[EMAIL PROTECTED]hilaunch.com
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go...
In a message dated 8/3/2005 2:24:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From people’s experience and unbiased opinions☺, what would be the best organized competitions, meets, or fun flys have they encountered? Al, I just ended 12 days in Muncie at the NATS. That is 12 days of competitive sailplane flying that included 13 events requiring 9 different models. Where else in the world can you do so much diversified flying in such a short time. Great flying, great people, great organization, great accommodations, good restaurants, challenging weather and an occasional piece of wood. Most events were MOM which means you only have to do better than the 9 guys standing next to you. What more could you ask for? Visalia is great and I would not miss it. One half trade show, one half carnival and one half contest, but limited to two days and two different models. Not MOM which means if you draw the first flight of the day you may be out of the contest in as little as 2 minutes and 50 seconds. Other contest like the Mid-South (Louisville next year), TNT (held at South Fork Ranch), and some OVSS events have multiple events for you to test your skills. What meds do you take for cabin fever? Don RichmondSan Diego, CA (Albuquerque, NM today)[EMAIL PROTECTED]hilaunch.com
[RCSE] Sound and LED ready to ship after NATS
I have two Sound and LED units for dual solenoids ready to ship at Special NATS price of $34. + delivery confirmation of $0.55 These are assembled and tested units. First come first serve. I have one LED kit $8.95 shipped I have one compete kit $11.95 shipped Cal PosthumaLSF VVPersonal Web Pagehttp://www.altelco.net/~calplsf/index.htmlHome of Solenoid LED's
Re: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:08:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know more about this? The last time I visited the Pima Air Museum, they were dispatching tours of the "Bone Yard" from their parking yard. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA (Albuquerque, NM today)[EMAIL PROTECTED]hilaunch.com
[RCSE] MS ACCESS help for LSF
Despite the title, this post is soaring related. As the current Secretary of the LSF, I am responsible for maintaining the Microsoft ACCESS database the LSF uses. I am a self-taught VBA programmer and would like some advice from any skilled (people who do it for a living) about a couple of my VBA applications as I'm trying to make any future LSF Secretary's job a little easier. If you think you can help, contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Thanks in advance, Jim Deck Secretary, LSF -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] A visit to the Electric NATS
On August 1 & 2, after a week at the LSF/AMA NATS, I returned to Muncie.
My reasons for returning were my own curiosity about the electric events and
my wife's curiosity about Muncie's finer eateries. This post concerns the
former. First off, attendance at electric is considerably smaller than that
of R/C soaring. For example, one event had 8 entrants, smaller than some of
soaring's flight groups. The events are thermal oriented and they do have
classes by aircraft type ("Old Timer" for example) and power. I observed
the "Texaco" fly-off, held Monday evening and found it most interesting.
The 3 best flyers from earlier rounds launched simultaneously and proceeded
to fly an "all up last down" round. As one could run the motor as long as
one desired, this became an "energy management" game. The winner had a
32:30 flight. The next morning, I watched and helped time a "battery
allocation" event. There was a limit on cell size but that's all - any
e-powered plane could compete. The task was to fly three rounds (12, 15,
and 20 minutes max time) with only one charge. During each round, the motor
may be used as much as desired. This was truly an energy management and
find lift event. In their events, they do use a simple landing tape with
values of 10 and 20 points. However, measurements are made to the nearest
part of the plane - not the nose to which we're accustomed. There were a
variety of planes including an electric AVA.
I did inquire about the possibility of an F5J event next year and was
told interest would be the determining factor. The electric NATS SIG is
NEAC (http://www.electricaircraft.org/)
Jim Deck
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in
text format
RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
John, Your are right about the 'bone yard', while I was stationed at DMAFB in the late 50's, we use earn extra money stripping copper out of old acft and other usable items, on my arrival date in 1956, just behind the guard shack at the then entrance, sat the 'Enoa Gay'. One of my duties as an acft records clerk was to log out of service certain USAF acft that was going into the bone yard for the 43rd Bomb Wing, (B-47) one I will remember was the first B-36, tail #036, had sat in one of wing sqd. areas for about 3 weeks, then one day they started it up, taxied out on to the runway, our bomb wing maintance officer came into our office and said, you guys watch that B-36, it is making its last flight as a milatary aircraft. It took off, made two patterns around DM, landed and taxied to the bone yard. An hour or so later the crew chief brought the maintenance records into our office as directed. I retired the paper of the first B-36. That was in 1958, a little later I was transferred to Camp Cooke, CA, now known as Vandenberg AFB. Jerry Miller, SOSS-Medford, OR From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"1-GSAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"1-IMAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"1-Soaring List" Subject: RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:58:27 -0500 The aircraft "Bone Yard" down at DMAFB in Tucson is an incredible site. It has been a long time since I've visited, but I think there are tours available. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List Subject: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places I will be in in Scottsdale and Tucson on business again next week, and will be visiting a few OEM's. What other interesting things/places/exhibits/etc is there to see/visit please. Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly, error
Once again: Along the way, some one else changed the message header to "national fun fly" I replied to their message without realizing that it would be inferred I was advocating this, I am not lobbying for a National Fun Fly, I did that for 5 years in Elmira for scale sailplanes (1995-2000). No need to do it again, Pete Goldsmith is doing a great job at Monticello with the JR Aertotow. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
Maple Leaf Designs is my first stop Wednesday AM. It will be interesting to observe first-hand the majic that produces such flyable and competitive airframes. Sounds like the Pima Air Museum will be second... Quoting George Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think you can find an Icon assembly plant close by also. ;-) > > -Original Message- > From: John Diniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:58 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List > Subject: RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places > > The aircraft "Bone Yard" down at DMAFB in Tucson is an incredible site. It > has been a long time since I've visited, but I think there are tours > available. > John > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:24 AM > To: 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List > Subject: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places > > > I will be in in Scottsdale and Tucson on business again next week, and will > be > visiting a few OEM's. What other interesting things/places/exhibits/etc is > there to see/visit please. > > Simon Van Leeuwen > PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice > Radius Systems > Cogito Ergo Zoom > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with > MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL > are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with > MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL > are generally NOT in text format > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format > Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
Here ya go: http://www.dm.af.mil/amarc/tour.html Tours are available weekly. Happy flying, Jimmy www.jtmodels.com At 01:08 PM 8/4/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliant idea! Anyone know more about this? Thanks for all the responses so far folks... Quoting John Diniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The aircraft "Bone Yard" down at DMAFB in Tucson is an incredible site. It > has been a long time since I've visited, but I think there are tours > available. > John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
Brilliant idea! Anyone know more about this? Thanks for all the responses so far folks... Quoting John Diniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The aircraft "Bone Yard" down at DMAFB in Tucson is an incredible site. It > has been a long time since I've visited, but I think there are tours > available. > John > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:24 AM > To: 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List > Subject: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places > > > I will be in in Scottsdale and Tucson on business again next week, and will > be > visiting a few OEM's. What other interesting things/places/exhibits/etc is > there to see/visit please. > > Simon Van Leeuwen > PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice > Radius Systems > Cogito Ergo Zoom > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format > Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
I think you can find an Icon assembly plant close by also. ;-) -Original Message- From: John Diniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List Subject: RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places The aircraft "Bone Yard" down at DMAFB in Tucson is an incredible site. It has been a long time since I've visited, but I think there are tours available. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List Subject: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places I will be in in Scottsdale and Tucson on business again next week, and will be visiting a few OEM's. What other interesting things/places/exhibits/etc is there to see/visit please. Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
The aircraft "Bone Yard" down at DMAFB in Tucson is an incredible site. It has been a long time since I've visited, but I think there are tours available. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:24 AM To: 1-GSAL; 1-IMAC; 1-Soaring List Subject: [RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places I will be in in Scottsdale and Tucson on business again next week, and will be visiting a few OEM's. What other interesting things/places/exhibits/etc is there to see/visit please. Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Arizona - Neat Places
I will be in in Scottsdale and Tucson on business again next week, and will be visiting a few OEM's. What other interesting things/places/exhibits/etc is there to see/visit please. Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Who's Flying What...at the F3B Worlds
This just in from Phil Renaud on who's flying what at the F3B Worlds Steve: The US Team is flying Estrellas as the primary aircraft. Joe also has a Crossfire and a Europhia but has elected to fly the Estrella for the entire contests. The Estrella is the most popular airplane followed by the Crossfire, Carracho 3000 and a few Europhia's and Race Machines. The Swiss team and the current World Champ (Andreas Boland) are flying Crossfires. Hard to tell the difference in performance between the airplanes. They all have the plus and minuses depending on wind, heavy vs light lift, humidity, etc. Its a pretty tough contest. We are in a three way battle for 2, 3, and 4th place with the Swedes, US, and Austrians. Looks like the Germans have a lock on first place as a team and Andreas Boland from Switzerland is likely to repeat as World Champ. With throw outs the US team will end up doing fairly well in thermal duration and distance but we couldn't buy a speed run. We are planning to fly until about 9:00 PM tonight to finish up Round 6 Duration and Speed. We will then fly Round 6 Distance tomorrow to wrap up the contest. The weather forecast for tomorrow is heavy rain so we may have to finish up on Saturday. If we don't complete round 6 the scores will revert to Round 5 with no throwouts and the US Team would finish in 4th place. Catch you later, Phil Renaud RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT
What ever the LSF folks decide is 100% with me. Dr Dan, A Sky Bench Challenger piloted by Tom Scully was fourth at the NATS - RES. He also won the Mid South RES this year with his Challenger. Tom has a cool way of flap disengagement for RES events. I'll be waiting for you to show up with yours. Practice ... Practice Practice... Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Danny C Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly - NOT > Jim Monaco > Said almost everything that I wanted to, just that he said it much nicer > that I would have. > > First off the highly paid staff of the LSF really earns every cent they > get for putting on the NATS ( do you guys even make Cent's???) and every > thank you ve can say to them. > Every year I have been to the NATS I have always been taken back at how > well the NATS is run, so when I hear some self serving person putting > down this event just to be able to elevate them self (in there own mind > that is) or some product they are trying to sell it really gets me to > start to not have nice thoughts about them. > > As to the NATS Fun Fly driving all that way for a fun fly well COUNT ME > OUT I would not waste my time. I would just stay home and fly with my > friends and have more fun and allot less travel. > Now the wood crafter's is another story...It is a contest... Also the > chance to pick on Ray Hay's well that is priceless in my book :^) > > Also, at least once a year around this time there is always talk of > killing this event or adding this one, or moving this to that time slot. > I myself admit that there would be no tears from me if two meter went the > way of the standard class, in fact just to be a real stinker I would like > to see standard class come back and 2M go away...lol. What can I say > living and flying at 5000 + feet does that to you. > > What keeps me coming back to any contest is. > "Competition is the glue that binds us together, and it is a life time > glue. For some strange reason it just works this way," > > > A little POed > Dr. Dan Williams > Even if I still can not get a full breath yet...lol > ~ > ~~~ > From: Jim Monaco > > I'm missing something here. The NATS is the national championship > because we > say it is. Why do we want to thow the baby out with the bathwater. If > you > want a national funfly - then organize one. There are 51 other weeks you > can > do whatever you want at the national flying site. > > A lot of people work VERY hard to put on an event the size of the nats > and > apparently a lot of people LIKE to attend the event. Your statements > about > declining participation are not true. Based on the statistics for the > last 2 > nats, participation is up in all of the events except HL. Your statement > about > 20-40 pilots flying any given day is ludicrous. There are 160 registered > entrants and 125 pilots participated in Unlimited! While some people > (including > me) have opinions on how the event should be organized and what should be > included, ultimately the LSF makes those decisons with our input. > > If YOU want a national funfly - then YOU organize one and see if they > come! I > don't see the need to trash a perfectly good event that, in terms of > numbers of > soaring pilots, is in the top 3 of all soaring events in the country. > > I understand that YOU don't like soaring competitions, but it is not > necessary > to criticize those that do. You refer to "diehard" competition pilots as > if > it's a bad thing. I understand your agenda is to promote scale soaring > and I > wish you great success, but it does not have to come at the expense of > other > facets of the hobby. You appear to think that those that like "Launch > and > Land" competitions are odd, but I'm sure that there are some that think > that > worrying about how my cute little pilot figure looks in my scale glider > is a > little odd too! > > Let people participate in whatever events they enjoy - it's no skin off > your > nose. If you provide the alternatives, perhaps you are right and > competition > soaring as we know it will die the ugly death you predict. Just don't > expect > others to implement your vision of true happiness. > > Jim Monaco > Organizer of the US F3J Team Selections... > Just another launch and land contest!!! > > > --- John Derstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Then as I said originally, why pretend it is a national championship? > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.
RE: [RCSE] Looking for a Profi 4000 manual.
Here is a link that you can find manuals for many different transmitters including the 4000. http://users.belgacom.net/TX2TX/manuals.html http://users.belgacom.net/TX2TX/callme-manuals.html http://www.rcpages.com/docs/mc4000manual.asp hope this helps, Brad Buy outright or copy and return. Your pleasure. TIA S RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for a Profi 4000 manual.
Buy outright or copy and return. Your pleasure. TIA S RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Nats or why Jojo choose Nats..
Since my name came up I guess I will have to say a few words. I have never been to Visalia and who knows I might go one day. But what really triggered me for Nats (other than lots of friends backing up) is that it is: ---National Championship Soaring--- To me a National championship means that the best of the best is there and all others that likes to fly competition (and thereby be better at it). Those that were not there was held up by some way. Those will not be a National champion. Just like those that can not attend to the trials can not be world champion Also I had the chance to fly 4 competitions in a row on one trip. This is rather unique!!! I agree that it might have been strange if I won it. But I did not. There are so many good pilots in USA that wanted to beat me that I did not have a chance. Big funfly's and gathering I attend lots of times. I even have a funfly on the ice back home that I help arrange with 100+ pilots. But still nothing comes up to ---National Championship Soaring--- I know now that Nationals have a differrent meaning in the USA than we in Europe see it as. But still I feel that those I met in Muncie was people that liked the fact that they had to do an effort to get higher up that list. Yes even Daryl and Tom had to take out the very best of themselves (just two examples). To me a competition is the most important of all. At the same time I LOVE to share time with friends and NEW friends (which I got a lot of). A big hug from Norway PS there are room for both Nats and Visalia... and possibly a few more ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no -- Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:02:02 -0400 From: John Derstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Marc Gellart' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'Steve Meyer' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'TJB' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marc and others: 150 registered, my error, but I did put a question mark after my number... it was a question. How many showed up? Counting multiple entries is like having dead people vote in a Chicago election, 150 is 150. :-) Anyway regardless of semantics, the numbers for NAT soaring attendance in no way reflects the potential pool of soaring pilots, my point. Also not to be misinterpreted, I love the fact that there is a NATs, that people do in fact work hard to produce it, and contest flying is a good thing if you enjoy it. What I see is the potential for a paradigm shift in the way we look at the NATS. As I guessed, many will object to any notion of change, it's human nature, it makes us uncomfortable, but looking at ways to boost all R/C soaring, not just the 80 pilots who fly TD at the NATs, is what I am talking about. I personally feel, and it is just my opinion, that there is room for several kinds of "events" at the NATS drawing more to the venue all at once. Letting them see first hand the competition, who knows some fun flyer guys or spectators might want to play TD or F3b. It's all about numbers, exposure and having an inclusive outlook, not an exclusive one. How to balance the so called fun flying or semi competitive events with the competition. Good question I guess. What is the goal or mission statement for the NATS? Is there one? I placed second in scale soaring at the NATS in 1999. Does it have any real significance? It is a nifty pc of wood, but since I was one of 5 pilots competing, it hardly has relevance to my flying skill. Granted an extreme example, but the point is the NATS has no real bearing on National standing just who won a single event in Muncie in July, no elimination series, no qualifying, just one other contest. I am just loving the discussion, and my comments have prompted some to speak out. it is only a forum, not a meeting of the AMA executive council. I don't have answers, just ideas and opinions like everyone else. The annual "what events we should drop from the NATS" talk got me going. The fact is attendance for any event will affect its likely hood of surviving, so my thought was if you are going to drop two meter, or hand launch, plus the way to controversial NOS discussion, what is in the wings waiting, how can the site be optimized and still have a NATs, one that draws 300 instead of 100. Does the NATS have to be The National Championship that some say it is because we say it is? Not a reason in my mind. Can it evolve to be a soaring showcase and National exposition of soaring as a community, not only a competition? Some made a big deal about one JoJo coming from Europe this year, why not make it jojo and company, an international invitational contest? Can we have a foreign national as US champion? Hey if you invite one... And so on... JD PS: For those saying put my money where my mouth is, I paid my dues, gave my efforts to organizing major events, submitting and passing rules change proposals for NATS events, for over 15 years, I feel somewhat qualifi
