Re: [RCSE] Re-covering an Organic
If you want to augment the adhesive, get some Loctite contact cement, nasty stuff as its got MEK in it then get a can of MEK, nasty stuff cause its MEK, thin the Loctite contact cement to a brushable liquid consistency with the MEK then brush it on surfaces to be covered. It will most certainly "augment" the Oracover adhesive. Use all the common sense precautions when using this method, cover the top/bottom in one piece, wrapping the Oracover around the trailing edge. Careful not to "glue" the Oracover together when shrinking in the thin TE area. Walter - Original Message - From: "Michael Conte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "soaring" Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re-covering an Organic All, I've decided to re-cover my 2M Organic with Hobby Lobby Poly Cover since they advertise it's the same as Oracover. I was wondering if the covering adhesive will stick to the composite frame. If not, what can be used to augment the adhesive and what is the process for using additional adhesive. I've covered about a dozen planes with Monokote and have had pretty good results. This is my first experience with "Oracover" and covering over Carbon/Kevlar. Thank you for your help. Mike Las Vegas, NV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re-covering an Organic
All, I've decided to re-cover my 2M Organic with Hobby Lobby Poly Cover since they advertise it's the same as Oracover. I was wondering if the covering adhesive will stick to the composite frame. If not, what can be used to augment the adhesive and what is the process for using additional adhesive. I've covered about a dozen planes with Monokote and have had pretty good results. This is my first experience with "Oracover" and covering over Carbon/Kevlar. Thank you for your help. Mike Las Vegas, NV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] ME 262 sloper
Obtained a 60", ME-262 slope kit. The kit has a fiberglass fuelage and foam core / balsa wings. The kit is complete but missing the plans / instructions. Anyone have said plans / instructions? Sure would like to have it flying for Soar Utah.
[RCSE] "Midsouth-Louisville is gonna be more fantastic than ever!'
GORDYGARBAGE!! An official polo field is 300yds long x 160yds wide. The AREA is ~ 9 football fields (no wonder he can't figure out wing loading). Good Lift! Hey Great news! I guess your interest means you are actually going to fly a TD contest! If you will only be flying slope, we have a pretty good DS site about an hour out of town. The landing area is a lot bigger than three polo fields :-) Can't wait to see you and Jeff at the MidSouth site, you can even bring a tape measure since that seems to be your primary interest :-) What will you be flying? Gordy
[RCSE] Laser Powered Glider
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2006/03/laser-powered-aircraft-tested-at-osaka-dome/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Amethyst 3.6m
I recently purchased an Amethyst 3.6m with no documentation; does anybody have experience with this sailplane? The starting point for the CG is what I’m after, but any other info would be helpful. TIA John
[RCSE] Re: [soaring] Digest Number 4438 *WAS Whytes Wings OLY II*
In a message dated 3/10/2006 8:41:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NE1...I just got a call from a new guy who wants to teach his 10-year old to build and fly. He mentioned an Oly II kit from Whytes wings. Is this kit or short kit still available? Hi: That kit is no longer available ... Skybench is making a terrific version ... here's the link: http://www.skybench.com/ Ray Hayes is the boss man and a good guy !! ... Go to the site, click on SAILPLANES, then click on RES-NOSTALGIA and it will open spot on the OLY II page(s) ... Pepper KayAMA # 3937LSF # 3335
[RCSE] Dear Jeff "Midsouth-Louisville is gonna be more fantastic than ever!'
One Polo Field is smaller than three. And the Midsouth field is bigger than a one car garage. All true statements :-) However here's another true statement for those of you planning on coming down to fly and have funIts gonna be great flying with you all again. It will be nice to have less trees for me to shag your planes out of this year too...I'm getting slower up the tree every year :-( I lucked out big in California yesterday flying with Larry, Ben, Tom and Dan, this morning it snowed in San Fran and it was blowing cold rain when I left the beach this morning in LA. On the bright side its warm in Minne tonite. I took a free ticket bump with meal and room this after noon on my way back to Raleigh. Had plans to fly with Bernie Coleman at the sod farm in Fayetteville (one of Jeff's favorite sites probably :-) but its looking like high winds tomorrow and I don't get in till about 5pm. So likely I am going to hot foot it down to Orlando to hopefully get some soaring in with the Buzzard boys. Who knows maybe my APEX 2m will finally appear! Gordy
[RCSE] Like New Vacuum Bagging System For Sale
I have an extra vacuum bagging system as sold by CST, which is similar to the one APC sells. Complete with pump, reservoir tank, gauge, adjustable pressure switch (set for 16 Hg) This system is like new.. Check out Auto-Vac bagging System at http://www.acp-composites.com/ Price $200 plus shipping and insurance. in CONUSA. Pay Pal, Personal check and MO are fine. George Voss
Re: [RCSE] "Midsouth-Louisville is gonna be more fantastic than ever!'
A Bluegrass Guy selling beach equipment. You know there is a good salesman joke in there some where. :-) At 10:47 AM 3/10/2006, Jeff Steifel wrote: Don't you love how Gordy is always so WRONG.. Thats why his posts go in my trash bin. I only get to see them when someone responds.. It's like the statement that it isn't the splatter at the nats... well yes it can be.. but as always he is WRONG... WRONG WRONG WRONG... Why are their so many followers... A typical salesman... He'll tell you anything. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Vacuum Bagging system has been sold
The system has been sold. Thanks.
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
From: Doug McLaren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For desense to occur, the signals don't even have to be in the same band. For example, in my car the FM radio (88-108 MHz) signal gets noticibly quieter when I transmit on my 144 MHZ ham radio. Same thing happens in my car. It's almost certainly due to rectification of the super-loud signal at an emitter-base diode somewhere in the IF strip, putting a bias on the AGC line or biasing one of the transistors toward cutoff. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Original Allegro-Lite kits FS
Hello, OK, before these go on E-Bay their here on RCSE and since I probably will never build these two original Allegro-Lite kits, they need to get to somebody who will. These are the original kits from Pat Sloan. Both kits are complete with all wood parts, composite parts, spar materials, laser cut ribs, carbon boom, etc and additional items not part of the kits, ie, 4 layer Kevlar POD by Mike Bailey, full sheet wing plans by Taylor Collins,, and also Kit # 1 comes with the V-mount by Bud Elder. Kit # 2 is a duplicate of Kit # 1 except it does NOT include the V-mount These kits are in excellent shape, nothing broken or missing. Kit # 1 is $285.00, which includes your shipping and insurance costs. Kit #2 is $275.00, which includes your shipping and insurance costs. Kits will be shipped by USPS Priority mail. Sales/shipping in CONUSA Personal checks OK. (shipping will be delayed until check clears) Postal Money Order, PAY Pal OK, just add 3% for the charges. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for photo’s of kits, or to contact me. If interested. Thanks Winston in Walla Walla.
[RCSE] Vacuum Bagging System
Hello, Before this goes on E-Bay I have a surplus vacuum bagging system as sold by ACP Complete with pump, reservoir tank, gauge, adjustable pressure switch (set for 16 Hg) 8 ft new bagging material, metal bag clips, bag hose connector, breather cloth and hose.. Bag clips need two 1/4" wooden dowels. This system is in excellent shape, I just needed a bigger system to handle multiple bags. Check out Auto-Vac bagging System at http://www.acp-composites.com/ Price $240 plus shipping and insurance. in CONUSA. Pay Pal OK, just add 3% for charges. Personal check OK (shipping will be delayed until check clears) Postal money order. Contact me off exchange if interested for shipping info. or photo’s. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winston in Walla Walla
Re: [RCSE] Icons....Not so fast!
In a message dated 3/10/06 9:48:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, anyone dumping their Icon for the latest and greatest? I have one of each (Supra and ICON) as do many people, except Dr Dan who has 6 of each. I fly them alternately under as nearly the same conditions as possible. Both work well. At this point in the evaluation, I cannot make a choice. My evaluation will continue through my travels this summer and then I will see if either or both have earned continued hangar space. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.hilaunch.com
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
As it would have Bill...if indeed a PCMm RX was employed, as the communications protocol would have been different (except in the unlikely case the offending TX was identical and on the same frequency). A PCM RX would immediately have gone into hold, and then would have either returned to normal communications if the proper signal returned or entered falisafe after a set period of time. In some cases depending on manufacturer this delay can be altered. Sorry to Randy for calling him Pat Randy claims to be be the tall good looking one (trust me...I have no desire to find out but maybe Gordy could comment for the edification of all :^) Some may recall me posting on testing I did on versions of a neat RX (Sky & Technology) which employ rather complex algorythms which dissect a specific transmitter's signal O/P looking at (and remembering) anomalies which make that TX unique. The result is you can turn on another TX (identical make/model in some circumstances), and it will not interfere. Pretty extraordinary! In fact their particular system touted that you could have two TX's on precisely the same frequency, program the RX to uniquely identify both of them, and then use "both" TX's simultaneously in a student/instructor environment. The neat idea being that the RX would know which TX is master and which was slave. When the student got into trouble with his slave TX, the instructor would turn on his master TX, all on the same frequency, and take over. There were a few fly's in the ointment though; - the TX's had to pretty simple units, such that when they turned on they outputed a valid signal immediately. Not something you can do with today's microprocessor-driven TX's (start-up delays, etc). - there were times when on two identical TX's were employed, the slave OR master could still overrule the other. I still operate a few of these RX's, as they are IMO as good if not better than PCM for precisely the reasons poor Randy got bad juju. Quoting Bill Swingle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > A PCM signal is no better than PPM. The only benefit would have been if the > PCM Rx went into fail safe. Obviously could have been quite helpful. If it > did go into failsafe. > > Bill Swingle > Janesville, CA > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format > Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
>Imagine trying to hear a whisper across a crowded room. Nearby louder voices drowned out the one familiar voice you are trying to hear. All radio receivers face the same issues. (Jon Stone) This is where the magic of the newer receivers comes into play. Like any other radio they also have a hard time listening for the whisper across the crowded room but they use their knowledge of what the whisperer is saying to build an adaptive filter that picks out the whisper from the junk. Current techniques are not perfect because the radios are all saying the same thing -- its like everyone's repeating the same phrase -- but they try to pick up on slight differences in inflexion to distinguish between the talkers. Conventional radio, the sort we've grown up with, distinguishes between information by sending carrying in different parts of the R/F spectrum -- that is, we 'tune' the receiver to pick up the transmitted information stream that we want to receive. This kind of selection is technically straightforward, its the only sort that could be envisaged using the technology available to us when radio was first invented, but its got the problem that the filters that select one stream from an adjacent one are always going to be imperfect -- no matter how well we design them some unwanted signal's going to get into the receiver if the interference is strong enough or close enough in frequency. The trick has been to design the receiver so that the filtering's adequate for the intended use, and to do within a size and price point that's realistic. There are other ways of putting streams of information out, possibly the earliest common example is how television got adapted to first carry the sound signal (it started as essentially two distinct transmissions, video and sound) and then to put color information into the same signal. Things gradually got more exotic but we were unaware of it (I was, certainly) because the applications were things like receiving information from spacecraft or satellites (there's a limit to how sensitive you can make a receiver even if you cool it) but gradually they started turning up in everyday stuff such as cellphones and digital radio and TV. Our R/C radios are very crude by comparison but they're still adequate for what they do (anyway, modern technology doesn't render old stuff useless per se -- you can still use a CB radio to talk to someone instead of a cellphone). Conventional radio is essentially obsolete, it'll eventually go the same way as spark gap or R/F alternator technologies, but it will take some time before it fades away. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
From: Rick Eckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But how about if all the other conversations are being held above 20khz or below 20hz?? Does sheer power on other frequencies swamp the front end of a receiver? Shouldn't we see more evidence of this at the launch area? === Up or down 20 khz doesn't mean anything if the desensing happens in a stage that lets through a range that's 1 mhz wide. And that is indeed the case for r/c receivers, the front end lets through every signal on the whole 72 mhz band. If an unwanted signal is 60 db above the desired signal, it can impair the receiver's ability to respond to the desired signal. And of course the IF of a little r/c radio doesn't have a lot of selectivity either. What Randy experienced wouldn't happen at the launch area, because all the signals are strong. But in Randy's case, his signal was weak because his plane was low and far away from his transmitter, and the other guy's transmitter was right under the plane. The effect of such desensing is the same whether the desired signal is PPM or PCM, but a PCM radio might have saved him via the fail-safe feature. The plane might have continued on its course until the desired signal reappeared in the passband. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Icons....
Bill, I'm not dumping mine! I am keeping an eye on development, however. One of the great things about the hobby, the constant evolution of designs. When you get near the top of optimization there have to be some sacrifices. After you've flown for awhile you try to figure out where you need the most help. We all know that you should fly one design until you realize any shortcomings that you feel are holding you back. Then you move on. This elusive moving target and the quest for the "Silver Bullet" never seems to end. So when they make that next model that is very robust yet extremely light, the one that can fly really fast between thermals and really slow for landing, the one that handles like a hand launch yet you can see when it is 2,000 feet away, I'll check it out. For now I'll keep working on landings and finding 10 minute air. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA > From: "Bill Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Bill Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:51:44 -0800 > To: > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icons > > Dumping an Icon. Interesting concept. > > Bill Swingle > Janesville, CA > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 11:08:42AM -0500, Rick Eckel wrote: | Hmm. Of course this is true when all are speaking in the same | frequency range. But how about if all the other conversations are | being held above 20khz or below 20hz?? Yes, whispered voices aren't the best analogy, as they all use the same frequency range. But consider somebody near you speaking in a low voice, as you try to understand somebody far away speaking in a high voice -- the low voice will make it harder to understand the weaker high frequency voice. However, in this case, the confusion happens in our brain, not our ear. Our ears really don't work that much like a typical radio receiver. | Does sheer power on other frequencies swamp the front end of a | receiver? Yes. | Shouldn't we see more evidence of this at the launch area? The reason that we don't is that all the signals are of similar strengths, since all the pilots are near to each other. For desense to occur, the signals don't even have to be in the same band. For example, in my car the FM radio (88-108 MHz) signal gets noticibly quieter when I transmit on my 144 MHZ ham radio. However, the effect is much much stronger when the signals are very close to each other, as they would be with two R/C TX's, or a R/C TX and a pager tower (possibly with hundreds of watts) also in the 72 MHz band. Exactly how much a RX is affected by desense and how close the other signal has to be depends on it's design. Unfortunately, our gear is generally made to be small and cheap, and so it's difficult to add too much protection. As for PPM vs. PCM, PCM uses exactly the same sort of RF stage as PPM -- all that differs is what the signal looks like and how it's decoded. If you've lost control with PPM, you'll also have lost control with PCM, it's just that PCM should handle the loss of control better (going to failsafe or position hold rather than random glitching.) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] All theoretical chemistry is really physics; and all theoretical chemists know it. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Icons....
Dumping an Icon. Interesting concept. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] subscribing
NE1... I just got a call from a new guy who wants to teach his 10-year old to build and fly. He mentioned an Oly II kit from Whytes wings. Is this kit or short kit still available? Also. to get him hooked up to RCSE, Please tell me just ONE more time: How does one subscribe to the DIGEST version of RCSE? Thanks D.O. Darmell RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Icons....
So, anyone dumping their Icon for the latest and greatest? Have a friend who is looking. If you have one for sale, send me details and I'll try to help you both. -Les Grammer -NWSS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
A PCM signal is no better than PPM. The only benefit would have been if the PCM Rx went into fail safe. Obviously could have been quite helpful. If it did go into failsafe. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Midsouth-Louisville is gonna be more fantastic than ever!'
Don't you love how Gordy is always so WRONG.. Thats why his posts go in my trash bin. I only get to see them when someone responds.. It's like the statement that it isn't the splatter at the nats... well yes it can be.. but as always he is WRONG... WRONG WRONG WRONG... Why are their so many followers... A typical salesman... He'll tell you anything. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Sailplane kits for sail
All kits are NIB. Shipping is additional. All shipping should fall between $10 and $20 depending upon the particular kit. All will be shipped by Fedex Ground insured. Payment by money order or PayPal. For PayPal add 3% to cover the charges. I ship once a week on Fridays. Alcyone-fiberglass fuselage-open class $195 Larry Jolly Pantera $150 SkyBench Osprey - fiberglass fuselage 2 meter $140 Culpepper Callisto - T Tail -fiberglass fuselage - 99.5" span -foam core wings $150 RNR Nova fuselage only - never used but has some easy to fix blemishes $85 Leading Edge Gliders P40 Warhawk 60" EPP PSS - preshaped fuselage - $100 Leading Edge Gliders ME109 60" EPP PSS - preshaped fuselage - $100 Leading Edge Gliders One Design 60" EPP - $65 Quasoar - Fiberglass fuselage - Foam core wings 123" span $150 Paragon $95 Embat electric $50 More as I dig through my warehouse to see what I have
RE: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
In Pat's case I would suspect he was not employing PCM given that the person who was present under the aircraft at the time stated that he could here the servos acting erratically prior to full down (exibited behavior of PPM interference). Add to this, and I won't bother surmising why, is that it went full down (I could call in Murphy's law here - as this seems to be the flight maneuver of choice during bad ju-ju). If the operating system had employed PCM, the event in question would have the sailplane continue flying in the direction of the last good framerate before entering hold/FS...whatever that position was, possibly not noticed anyhting unusual. If memory serves, he was level flight... As far as incursions from operating systems outside of the 20KHz spacing, yes, this is entirely possible... Quoting Rob Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So if the far is PCM and the near is PPM does using PCM mitigate this > problem? What about the opposite situation i.e. PCM near and PPM far? > > Rob > > -Original Message- > From: Jon Stone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:38 AM > To: EXT-McCleave, Howard R > Cc: soaring@airage.com > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long! > > From: "Doug McLaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Of course it's a real phenomenon. The technical term is `desense'. > > > > http://users3.ev1.net/~medcalf/ztx/desense.html > > > It's also called the "near-far" problem. > > Imagine trying to hear a whisper across a crowded room. Nearby louder > voices drowned out the one familiar voice you are trying to hear. All radio > receivers face the same issues. > > Jon > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with > MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL > are generally NOT in text format > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format > Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Midsouth-Louisville is gonna be more fantastic than ever!'
Gordy, A polo field is 300 yards long, not 900 yards long. Hand me my mallet, Jeeves. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:39:04 EST > To: Soaring@airage.com > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [RCSE] "Midsouth-Louisville is gonna be more fantastic than ever!' > > Hi guys, > > Ed Wilson and our clubmates have really outdone themselves on a field this > year. > > The field we will be flying on is a polo field and a half at least, flat > soft grass, with a lot of open space to work low lift up and off the field. > For > those of you who are not polo-savvy, a single polo field is 9 football fields > long! > > It is going to be Man on Man, no retrievers no golf carts. So that means > registrations are going to have to be limited in order to get enough rounds > in. > > Don't even wait to get your registrations in. We are figuring a max of 150 > pilots. There is enough room to launch 10 at a time I think. > > There are a bunch of large open areas behind the tree lines and the Ohio > River very close by, so lift conditions should be great! > > Gittyup! _http://louisvillesoaring.org/content/view/105/43/_ > (http://louisvillesoaring.org/content/view/105/43/) > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Covers
Here is a Servo cover source: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413053 His username is "sporter" FYI, John D. Frugé Webmaster MRCC www.modestorcclub.com AMA #695632 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Carr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: [RCSE] Covers Hi Guys I am in need of 2 flap covers for the top of the wing on a Tsunami. I was changing the servos over to DS-368 and was using the heat gun to release the servo rails and they deformed. There not real sturdy. So I am looking for some. Can anyone help. These are the small covers on the top side of the Tsunami's center section. Yellow is the color but Im not picky Jeff RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 3/8/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
Hmm. Of course this is true when all are speaking in the same frequency range. But how about if all the other conversations are being held above 20khz or below 20hz?? Does sheer power on other frequencies swamp the front end of a receiver? Shouldn't we see more evidence of this at the launch area? Inquiring minds and all that. ;-) Rick At 09:37 AM 3/10/2006, Jon Stone wrote: From: "Doug McLaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Of course it's a real phenomenon. The technical term is `desense'. > > http://users3.ev1.net/~medcalf/ztx/desense.html It's also called the "near-far" problem. Imagine trying to hear a whisper across a crowded room. Nearby louder voices drowned out the one familiar voice you are trying to hear. All radio receivers face the same issues. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
So if the far is PCM and the near is PPM does using PCM mitigate this problem? What about the opposite situation i.e. PCM near and PPM far? Rob -Original Message- From: Jon Stone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:38 AM To: EXT-McCleave, Howard R Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long! From: "Doug McLaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Of course it's a real phenomenon. The technical term is `desense'. > > http://users3.ev1.net/~medcalf/ztx/desense.html It's also called the "near-far" problem. Imagine trying to hear a whisper across a crowded room. Nearby louder voices drowned out the one familiar voice you are trying to hear. All radio receivers face the same issues. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: TX RF output? Long!
From: "Doug McLaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Of course it's a real phenomenon. The technical term is `desense'. > > http://users3.ev1.net/~medcalf/ztx/desense.html It's also called the "near-far" problem. Imagine trying to hear a whisper across a crowded room. Nearby louder voices drowned out the one familiar voice you are trying to hear. All radio receivers face the same issues. Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
