Re: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch.
What are you ranting about? He didn't insult you! I read his post (thank you for quoting it in yours) several times over, and in no way does he slight you or anyone else that attended the German event. In fact, he says the words "AT LEAST a half dozen of our top...pilots". By simple definition of the English language, that means as a minimum, and likely more, which of course would include YOU and the others you named. He probably only listed the names he did because he knows them or knows more about them or was directly aware that they went to that competition because of his involvement in the NATS. He wrote a very well written, well thought out post in SUPPORT of HLG/DLG flying. YOU, on the other hand chose to reply in a very negative way and to make it worse, verbally beat your chest and exclaimed to the world how wonderful and cool you are, which in my 50 years of life I have found usually means that just the opposite is true. The truly best very rarely ever talk about themselves, or even talk at all. They just simply go out there and do their thing, no matter what it is, and take what enjoyment from the activity that they can, and if it's competition, then you can bet that they just as quietly probably beat the pants off the likes of you. Think before you spout off like you just did. -Keith just another silent flyer who flies for fun now -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:00 PM To: "Ben Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: ; "LASS Soaring List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch. Ben, I have never been so insulted as what you have posted here. Perhaps Jeff and Bret are just as insulted. I have been flying HLG longer than you are probably old, old enough for me to be your father and grandfather! Just so you know, there were three other US pilots at the German Open, yet you never acknowledge US!! I have flown HLG long before anybody ever thought about HLG contests. I flew in Dave Thornburg's HLG contest, and even designed a 66" HLG for it which parallels what we fly today. I fly HLG/DLG because it gives me the enjoyment and independence of not having to wait for winch lines or frequency control. Jeff Carr, Bret Carr and I supported our US group and flew. We may not be the creme of the crop that Oleg, Bruce, Paul or Phil may be, but we participate for each of our own reasons. You make it sound like we are invisible to the rest of the group. I think you are somewhat lost. I design and build DLGs because I enjoy the opportunity that they offer me. Of the US group, besides Oleg who flew his 5 year old Taboo designs, I was the only US guy there flying My Own design!!! DLG pilots fly DLG for one basic reason, it allows each of us to fly independently and to not depend on waiting for winches or any other complaints from others. I can go out and fly in the AM, Noon hour, or PM, and enjoy my time hunting the elusive thermal. Contests are not the only thing that matters in this world when it comes to flying. Some of us design, others fly, but in the end we fly fly fly!. In my opinion, the AMA does not know what DLG is doing for the world of soaring. TD contests will be going by the wayside. Bruce Davidson put it quite plainly at the German Open to me, "why should he travel 10 hours, fly three or 4 flights then drive back from a TD contest", when he can fly DLG, many rounds and many flights and have the enjoyment of not having to just do spot landings. I will go to more DLG contests than TD contests this year and I am perhaps giving up TD contest entirely. I can do the social event at HLG/DLG contests and still get the technical and design satisfaction of DLG flying. After all What is DLG but a subclass of TD. Perhaps we should be saying that TD is really a subclass of HLG/DLG because we used to thermal out TD ships from Hand launches when we test glided TD ships! Personally I see DLG support by the AMA replacing F3B and even perhaps F3J, as a world class group. So I think you owe Jeff, Bret and Me an apology for not recognizing us as participants at the German Open at the same level as Oleg, Bruce, Paul, Phil and the rest. Don't forget, Bret did make the Junior flyoffs and did place in that realm! Please come back when you realize there are others who fly also. Thermals, Chris Adams LSF 348 Lvl V (#8) > Original Message > Subject: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch. > From: Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, July 29, 2008 7:15 pm > To: soaring@airage.com, LASS Soaring List > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So y'all have probably heard my whining about the lack of 2 days of > handlaunch at the NATS, so let me pitch you my argument for it and for > better attention paid to handlaunch by soaring in general. This is the > product of a number of discussions I've had with a number of people > involved with soaring at different levels
Re: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.....or I couild hae read the article in context:-)
And for the real purists that don't want to sully their models with an installed power system, a standard power pod could be attached via the normal tow hook, which would drop off at the end of the power run and be recovered via it's own little chute by a runner, etc. That way, you don't have the drag and weight of the power system to lug around during the soaring part of the flight. Again, each such power pod would be restricted to a specific motor/prop/battery combo with a timer cutoff switch (you could use one of the switches the FF people use). Just think of all the winch and retriever related issues that would disappear! A club hosting a TD event using this launch method would not need to deal with the logistics and expense of winches, retrievers, batteries, chargers, and people to run them and maintain them. AND it would open up more fields that could be used that previously would have been considered too small for a TD event or not aligned into the most common prevailing winds, etc. And I'm sure there are many out there that could point out such a field that would be closer and more convenient to many club members in towns everywhere. Everyone could easily build such a power pod and for very little expense, if one of the more common and inexpensive outrunner motors were used. The only option allowed would be the type of battery used, as long as it's voltage output was restricted to a given value. The really competitive among us of course would try to build the lightest molded power pod with the smallest, lightest battery and ESC (and even that would be optional because with a timed cutoff, you don't need anything except full power - on or off - so an ESC is not required). I think that powered launch TD is a very, very valid idea! Keith ------ From: "1st2fly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:57 AM To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.or I couild hae read the article in context:-) Seems to me there is a simple solution To use motors in place of winches and make it an even playing field, just simply require the use of only one specific make and model of motor, prop and battery pack so that everyone has exactly the same power system (like using the same winch) AND use a time-programmable battery cutout switch so that everyone gets the same motor run time. The cool thing about doing this is that it brings new meaning to Man-On-Man competition, because so many gliders could be launched all at the same time into the same air, especially if everyone were using 2.4 systems! Of course, LANDINGS would be interesting. h... 20 or 30 gliders all making close to their time and all trying to land at the same time. Obviously, the number of gliders launched at any one time would be limited by the number of landing tapes, etc., but at least you would not have to worry much about field layout with regard to winch lines, and for the same reason, wind direction wouldn't be as much of a factor, either. Contests could be run out of much smaller fields without the need to accommodate winches and lines. Keith -- From: "Lincoln Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 6:50 AM To: Subject: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.or I couild hae read the article in context:-) Just read the article. To some extent, I find myself agreeing (did I write that? pass the Risperdal!). However, just because Gordy and I succumb to tempatation when we have an electric glider* that is getting low, doesn't mean other people do. If you have the strength of will to ignore that nice power switch after the first climb is over, you can ignore what he said. But I'll admit that when there's a motor in the glider I usually won't fight out the last 50 or maybe even 100 feet. And I definitely will with an unpowered glider. So there go all those fun saves. (I was told that on a 58 minute flight (or was it the 60 minute flight??) I was down to 20 feet at 3 minutes. I thought it was 40, but that's another story. Low enough with a 25 year old 2 meter. (hmm... is this the Gordy bragging disease too?) We have a bunch of people flying electric gliders in our club. Some of them even come home with vinyl/brass/particle board plaques sometimes. Some of them have houses in structural overload from hanging the plaques on the wall. However, we also have a guy who is trying to start an electric event which involves old hlg's and vertical climbs. He very seldom talks about the power off part of the flight. This guy has acquired my old Chrysalis. It's very amusing to watch him launch, but it ain't soaring. He can get lots of exciting vertical drag racing because the flights don't last long. The model is, I think
Re: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.....or I couild hae read the article in context:-)
Seems to me there is a simple solution To use motors in place of winches and make it an even playing field, just simply require the use of only one specific make and model of motor, prop and battery pack so that everyone has exactly the same power system (like using the same winch) AND use a time-programmable battery cutout switch so that everyone gets the same motor run time. The cool thing about doing this is that it brings new meaning to Man-On-Man competition, because so many gliders could be launched all at the same time into the same air, especially if everyone were using 2.4 systems! Of course, LANDINGS would be interesting. h... 20 or 30 gliders all making close to their time and all trying to land at the same time. Obviously, the number of gliders launched at any one time would be limited by the number of landing tapes, etc., but at least you would not have to worry much about field layout with regard to winch lines, and for the same reason, wind direction wouldn't be as much of a factor, either. Contests could be run out of much smaller fields without the need to accommodate winches and lines. Keith -- From: "Lincoln Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 6:50 AM To: Subject: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.or I couild hae read the article in context:-) Just read the article. To some extent, I find myself agreeing (did I write that? pass the Risperdal!). However, just because Gordy and I succumb to tempatation when we have an electric glider* that is getting low, doesn't mean other people do. If you have the strength of will to ignore that nice power switch after the first climb is over, you can ignore what he said. But I'll admit that when there's a motor in the glider I usually won't fight out the last 50 or maybe even 100 feet. And I definitely will with an unpowered glider. So there go all those fun saves. (I was told that on a 58 minute flight (or was it the 60 minute flight??) I was down to 20 feet at 3 minutes. I thought it was 40, but that's another story. Low enough with a 25 year old 2 meter. (hmm... is this the Gordy bragging disease too?) We have a bunch of people flying electric gliders in our club. Some of them even come home with vinyl/brass/particle board plaques sometimes. Some of them have houses in structural overload from hanging the plaques on the wall. However, we also have a guy who is trying to start an electric event which involves old hlg's and vertical climbs. He very seldom talks about the power off part of the flight. This guy has acquired my old Chrysalis. It's very amusing to watch him launch, but it ain't soaring. He can get lots of exciting vertical drag racing because the flights don't last long. The model is, I think, two or three ounces overweight, which is a lot on a Chrysalis. Anyway, Gordy mentions an automatic motor shutoff. I think this will emphasize motor power even more, because now you have to be going Mach 0.5 at motor shutoff so you can get another 1000 feet or so. Therefore it needs to link in to activate flaps or spoilers for 5 seconds or something. (Perhaps activate spoilers for first 30 seconds of flight above 500 feet? Total energy probe?) Once these little details are worked out, I don't see why Gordy shouldn't then advocate using a similar system with a releasable towhook on winch launches. That'll make Histarter happy too. (for those of you who don't know my last reference, your ignorance is bliss) *Sailplanes are for people with bigger egos than mine. Gliders can go up to, including, sometimes, 40 size power trainers that happen to be dead stick. >Gordy wrote: > >Or you could have posted me directly to discuss it such a fun topic :-) >Its been quite a while since I wrote that article which is more a review >of >the programmable altitude priority motor cut off switchbut I play this >game :-) > >The context of the article is replacing winch launches.. > snip >One more time because I know that motor heads who have found a sailplane >will fit motors will want to go off on how what they do is good (and it IS >by >the way) but that has nothing to do with the context of the >article...replacing >winch launches with electric motor launches. > >So with a programmable altitude shut off switch, TD pilots could have the >smallest and cheapest possible motor/prop/gearbox/controller/ battery, >versus >electric sailplane events where the motor package is priority. > > snip RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please not
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