Re: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail

[Justin Ammon]

Ahh, that's where it went...At least it's in a better place...


Justin

(quietly mumbles something about: Stupid V-Tails.)



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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail



http://www.jimbacus.net/soaring/nats2005/vtail_vs_xtail.jpg

8-))


At 07:51 PM 9/7/2005, Justin Ammon wrote:
Ok, so I am already suited up in the asbestos undies and Kevlar vest, so 
take your best shot!!!


I Personally hate the way a v-tail launches...er...I really should say the 
way they recover from a poor early launch.
What I am really trying to say is if you get stuck in the 
positio..Oh hell, anyone seen my V-Tail Image anywhere  Jim 
B.? Anyone???...


...Some help here please


Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
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Re: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail

[Justin Ammon]

Ok, so I am already suited up in the asbestos undies and Kevlar vest, so 
take your best shot!!!


I Personally hate the way a v-tail launches...er...I really should say the 
way they recover from a poor early launch.
What I am really trying to say is if you get stuck in the 
positio..Oh hell, anyone seen my V-Tail Image anywhere  Jim B.? 
Anyone???...


...Some help here please



Justin
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I've noticed that the Europeans seem to prefer the V tails but the 
Americans seem to prefer the plus tails for thermal duration.  Why the 
difference?
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Re: [RCSE] Need coords for SD7036

[Justin Ammon]

Oop's, clicked on the wrong foil.  The correct file is now attached

Justin


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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:15 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Need coords for SD7036



Hi all,

Does anyone have a DAT, COR, PRO, or KOO file of the SD7036 section?
I'm getting a little frustrated trying to find it on the web.

Even a list of co-ordinates would be fine if that's all I can get.

Thanks for the bandwidth
Dan

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sa7036.dat
Description: Binary data

Re: [RCSE] Need coords for SD7036

[Justin Ammon]

Dan,

Here is the .dat file you need (attached).

The reason you are having trouble finding it is that it is an SA foil, and 
not an SD foil.


Justin


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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:15 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Need coords for SD7036



Hi all,

Does anyone have a DAT, COR, PRO, or KOO file of the SD7036 section?
I'm getting a little frustrated trying to find it on the web.

Even a list of co-ordinates would be fine if that's all I can get.

Thanks for the bandwidth
Dan

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Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly...Fall Fest too.

[Justin Ammon]

I know I won't drive 2000 miles for a funfly at the National Flying Site.  A 
week long set of real soaring contests, you bet!


The Fall Fest...Hmm what can I say about the task for this year without 
getting flamed???  Likely nothing, so I'll get dressed in several layers of 
asbestos undies reinforced with multi-layered Kevlar and prepare.


Currently open to one class...Ok, not much new here (fingers and toes 
crossed for a second class option later this month, must fly 2M too)...Only 
37 minutes of task time over 2 days (7 rounds)...Bummer!


Oh well.  Entries been sent anyway.

Justin


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To: "John Derstine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Soaring List'" 


Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly


In the majority of flying clubs in our area, only a very few are seriously 
interested in competition.  Out of 20 club members, last year, I was the 
only one who showed up for our ESL contest on the second day.  Lancaster 
has the same problem.  I would venture to say, if there was a National Fun 
Fly for a week, there might be a good turn out.  It doesn't even have to 
be on the same schedule as the NATS.


T

T&G
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Afton, VA  22920

540 943-3356
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To: "'TJB'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Soaring List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:06 PM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year



Now there is an idea, basically what I was getting at, contests and fun
every year. De-emphasize the contest aspect as the die hards know who
they are, and will always show up, we need to attract the rest, the guys
who don't always come, who care less about rigorous competition, who
will support the National Flying site with their presence if it is
relevant to their interests, not the minority of top level competition
pilots.
JD

Endless Mountain Models
http://www.scalesoaring.com
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From: TJB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:54 PM
To: Soaring List
Subject: Re: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year

 would have Monday for 2M, Tues and Wed for Open, Thurs would be RES,

Fri

> morning hand launch and Friday afternoon NOS.  Events like F3B, F3J,
> X-Country and Scale would be on the weekend before or after.
>
> JE


Would probably be the end of NOS.  Just not that many flying it.  It

won't

be long and NOS will be 30 year old planes.  It is so limited.  If

they

set
the category for 20 year old planes (more like it was when it

started), it

would open up the field for more fliers.

I would come an extra couple days early if they had XC and Scale every
year.
It doesn't even have to be a contest, just two days set aside at the
beginning of the schedule.

T




> With the introduction of production planes like the Ava and the

Topaz,

RES
> is now the fastest growing segment of plane in this neck of the

woods.

> Where it used to be just a few people it is now nearly even with the
> amount
> of Open class entries.  There are several fliers that have won Open
> contests
> with these planes and it isn't a fluke.  Over the last year I have
> consistently scored better with my Topaz than with my Open class

plane,

> primarily because of the ability to just drop it on the spot and

have it

> stick.  They are so light they don't carry too much momentum.  They
> thermal
> easier, the handling is excellent, they just don't like as much

wind,

but
> then again, they can successfully be ballasted.
>
> In the big monthly contests SWSA holds, the number of Open class

planes

is
> probably around 30, RES is about 20 and 2M is about 10.  It seems
> completely
> upside down to me that 2M at the NATS gets 2 days while RES gets 1/2

a

> day.
> Additionally, the awards banquet is held before RES and NOS are even
> flown,
> pushing it down further from a competitive event to more of a fun

fly

> afterthought.
>
> I> --
> Erickson Architects
> John R. Erickson, AIA
>
>
>> From: "Jim McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:34:52 -0500
>> To: 
>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [RCSE] One full day of RES
>>
>> What's amazing is that the United States is the only country the

flies

>> 2M. I
>> think if you took a poll at the Nats those entered in the event

only

fly
>> it to
>> occupy time until Unlimited starts. The latest phrase coined at

this

>> years
>> ev

Re: [RCSE] The NATS, Format: 2M, Unlimited, F3X, HLG, RES, NOS, etc...

[Justin Ammon]

Edgar is 100% correct!

To drop a day of 2M would be a REAL SHAME!  I Love my 2M's (I just hate 
V-tails)
RES...I could take it or leave it...But a National Champ title after only ~4 
rounds is a bit pathetic.  Add a 2nd day into the schedule for RES, but 
don't drop the 2nd largest group of Nats contestants down to a single day.


Soaring is about the challenge...It just so happens that this soaring 
challenge should be about how to get an additional day in the schedule for 
RES, and not about how to punish those that fly 2M just because a few very 
vocal individuals do not like the 2M class.


Thank you...And now back to your regularly scheduled useless drivel...I have 
scheming and treachery currently on the boards for next years 2M, Unlimited, 
F3B, XC and HL (and yes, even a boring RES ship that ain't your granddads 
Ava...yawn).


Justin

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To: "exchange" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [RCSE] The NATS, Format: 2M, Unlimited, F3X, HLG, RES, NOS, etc...



Guys-guys;

Drop one day of 2M for a full day of RES, come on... I have
more money invested in 2M to let one day of flying go.  We
all need our fix to fly our toys and meet up with our
soaring friends, right!?!?!  Hey, simple solution... take a
vote as to what order each class should be flown on what
days and make every class fly 2-days!  I attended the NATS
to fly a full week and get my soaring fix!

It's just a matter of putting our heads together to make
this work, we have a bunch of 2-day contest through out the
year for one type of class, why not make it work so we can
have 2-Days of flying for each class, sure maybe the HLG
guys don't have the number of pilots as other classes do to
justify such a thing, but they love their planes and they
want to fly as much as possible as well with pilots from
all over the country to complete against.  Let's work out
the details for next year, plenty of time to work out the
logistics and the Muncie field is too awesome to just fly
Soaring for 1 week, hell... make it a Month of Soaring!
People will attend what classes they want and that's that.

To fly a few rounds and then to be called a "National
Champ" does not seem right, sure we can sit behind our
computers back home and come up with ideas to drop a day
here to add a day there for this class over that class...
drop nothing, add more days.  I know it might become a
thing about getting enough people to volunteer to help run
the contest... We have enough retired to and we can all
pitch in to help out, it's like that back home are our home
fields, right!

LET'S JUST GET OUT AND SOAR!!  Looking forward to next
year!

my 2 cents,

Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"




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Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter

[Justin Ammon]

I will.
I was entered in the F3B event in Eloy until it was canceled.
We are working to get another site for this event.

Justin
(will fly anything anytime)

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Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter



Friends don't let friends fly 2M.

Anyway, if you want classes that require real skill, I look forward to you
entering F3b at next years Nats.


I know Chuck won't be at any of those F.. class events. ;-)




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Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter

[Justin Ammon]

Jim,

Don't hold your breath for any special show of talent, but I do enjoy flying 
all of the classes...Well...Except for maybe RES, but I guess I can catch up 
on some sleep during the flights...


Sorry I didn't make it in 2004.  It is a touch further for me than a quick 
trip from Illinois.


Justin

(btw, the res thing is a joke)

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From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter



> He is entered and flying in it, are you?

I guess you are entered for 2005, I don't see your name in the scores from 
2004...  I guess we will see you demonstrate your 2m skills in Muncie in a 
few weeks, I can't wait. 8-)




At 10:18 AM 6/29/2005, Justin Ammon wrote:
Yup, I agree!  We should get rid of all classes that might take some real 
talent and skill to fly well in.



Justin

- Original Message - From: "Jack Strother" 
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To: "Steve Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good




This is kool Stuff..
Thanks !!
2-M can go as far as I am concerned as well..

Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net


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Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter

[Justin Ammon]

Everything but NOS...It's real easy to check.
http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2005/Register.html
Justin Ammon
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter



He is entered and flying in it, are you?



At 10:18 AM 6/29/2005, Justin Ammon wrote:
Yup, I agree!  We should get rid of all classes that might take some real 
talent and skill to fly well in.



Justin

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To: "Steve Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good




This is kool Stuff..
Thanks !!
2-M can go as far as I am concerned as well..



Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
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Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter

[Justin Ammon]

I know that Chuck.  :^)
But many will disagree.

Justin
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter



At 10:18 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote:
Yup, I agree!  We should get rid of all classes that might take some real 
talent and skill to fly well in.



Justin
2-meter doesn't take any more talent than unlimited or standard class. 
Just better vision.


Chuck Anderson
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Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter

[Justin Ammon]

Yup, I agree!  We should get rid of all classes that might take some real 
talent and skill to fly well in.



Justin

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From: "Jack Strother" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Steve Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good




This is kool Stuff..
Thanks !!
2-M can go as far as I am concerned as well..


At 02:58 PM 6/28/2005, Steve Meyer wrote:
Taking the latest published registration information at 
 I have compiled the 
following.


3 pilots are registered exclusively for HLG  - 10.3%
2 pilots are registered exclusively for F3J - 4.3%
2 pilots are registered exclusively for 2M - 2.2%
16 pilots are registered exclusively for UNL - 12.8%
4 pilots are registered exclusively for RES - 4.8%
1 pilot is registered exclusively for NOS - 2.9%

5 pilots are registered exclusively for F3J and UNL - 4.0%
4 pilots are registered exclusively for RES and NOS  - 4.6%
9 pilots are registered exclusively for 2M and UNL - 7.1%
2 pilots are registered exclusively for 2M and RES - 1.7%

3 pilots are registered in every event - 2.0%  One of them is in (Jr or 
Sr) class!


2 pilots registered in Jr / Sr class

20 pilots are registered for HLG and F3J - 35.7%
20 pilots are registered for HLG and 2M - 20.6%
21 pilots are registered for HLG and UNL - 15.8%
 8 pilots are registered for HLG and RES -  7.6%

36 pilots are registered for F3J and 2M - 36.4%
40 pilots are registered for F3J and UNL - 30.3%
20 pilots are registered for F3J and RES - 18.0%

81 pilots are registered for 2M and UNL - 61.4%
55 pilots are registered for 2M and RES - 48.2%

73 pilots are registered for UNL and RES - 53.7%

(Accuracy 2% - 9% depending on sample because of missing data.)

I have surmised the following.
It appears that 2M and F3J pilots are the most versatile.  Entering in 
more events

The closer the events are together the better the cross participation.
RES needs to replace one day of 2 Meter. :-)

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Re: [RCSE] DLG Contest - SAGE Tucson, Arizona

[Justin Ammon]

The Taboo GT is maidened and, except for a few 
programming adjustments that are needed, is ready to fly.
 
I have got a Shadow 3 receiver, that range checked 
further than ANY receiver I have ever owned (and I have owned a great number 
over the years), in the Taboo powered by a single 900mA Li-Ion cell (should fly 
all day).
 
Looking forward to the contest!
 
Justin Ammon

Re: [RCSE] Spirit of 76 foam 2-meter

[Justin Ammon]

Yup, my first sailplane as well.  Never folded the wings, but then, I must 
have put about 10 layers of fiberglass about 12 inches wide on the dihedral 
break...I guess I went the opposite direction, not knowing how strong the FG 
would be and how little would be needed.  I must have had 8+ ounces of glass 
and epoxy on the wing (before I started to make repairs)  In fact, I have 
been looking for a new kit, now that my children are to the age of being 
ready to learn to fly.

I always thought that the 76' had a nice look in the sky even if did handle 
like a cruise ship.

Justin Ammon CEO
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From: "Bill Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Spirit of 76 foam 2-meter


>Any of you guys have some stories about this plane?
Oh, this plane was my first glider too and cost was 29$. Oh my, the 
mistakes
I made with that plane. But I found that the .049 on a power pod worked
pretty well for me. Except for the slime! I'd never heard of a high start.

I had no idea what I was doing and simply glued the wing halves together. 
It
kept the weight down but I had to baby the plane a whole lot. I just took 
it
forgranted but then a buddy didn't. He pulled too hard and POW. I lost the
Rx, battery and one servo in the impact. Then I bought another one.

It served it's purpose well.
Bill Swingle
Janesville, CA
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Re: [RCSE] Every body got modules

[Justin Ammon]

Lynn,
The RF module is exactly that...The RF portion of the system.  If the xtal 
module is being replaced with a synth module, and is compliant with the FCC 
regs, than there is no problem...  That is assuming that the JR module is 
used with a JR tx.  The same goes for the Hitec module.  It is only to be 
used with Hitec transmitters.  The same goes for all brands.  I think the 
problems that existed in the past, were those related to unapproved (read 
modified or off brand) modules being used in transmitters.
Justin

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Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Every body got modules


So how does this play with "Type certification"?
Many people screamed about the use of synth. modules in crystal controlled
Tx's, now it's OK?
Lynn King, Anacortes WA.
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Re: [RCSE] Continuous Loop Winch?

[Justin Ammon]

I guess the first problems that come to mind are:
-The tow lines getting tangled in the turnaround and the winch each time it 
passes those points.
-Fixing line breaks...The length of the line is critical.  I guess a strap 
of some kind could be used from winch to turnaround and back that is far 
stronger than the tow line.  I don't know, just a thought.
-Line drag??? Is it an issue? Could guide rings be placed along the length 
of the returning line to keep it off the ground?
I don't know.  I may be w off base.

Just my first thoughts.
Justin Ammon
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Continuous Loop Winch?

Has anyone here ever heard of a continuous loop sailplane winch? The setup
would look something like this:
http://www.vvsss.com/ezone/clwinch.gif
Continuous loops are used with dog lure machines, which are virtually
identical to sailplane winches, and pulleys made for the purpose are
available from Injoy.
(See "S/S Continuous Loop Wheel" at http://www.injoy-1.com/catal_1.htm )
This is an obvious idea and it seems certain that someone must have tried 
it,
but so far I haven't found anything on the web.

Mike
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Re: [RCSE] Funny RC Blimp story

[Justin Ammon]

Holy Gee!  I haven't laughed so hard ever in my life!
I guess that covers the sit-up for the next 2 weeks.
Thanks for the story.
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Subject: [RCSE] Funny RC Blimp story


This appeared on another list I belong to and was completely off-topic
there.  However, I think it fits nicely here.

If you ever needed to hurt yourself laughing, this is for you:
Last week while travelling I stopped at a Zany Brainy store and saw
that they had a blimp for sale. It's called Airship Earth, and it's a
great big balloon with a map of the Earth on it, and two propellors
hanging from the bottom. You blow up the balloon with helium put
batteries in it, and you have a radio controll indoor blimp.
I'd seen these things for sale in Sharper Image catalogs for $60-$75.
At Zany Brainy it was on clearance for $15. What a deal!
Last night my wife was playing tennis and it was just my daughter and
I at home. I bought a small helium tank from a party store, and last
night we put the blimp together.
Let me tell you, it's quite a blimp. It's huge. The balloon has like
a 3 ft diameter.
We blew it up with the tank attacched the gondola with the
propellors, and put in batteries.
Then we balanced the blimp for neutral bouyancy with this putty that
came with it, so it hangs in the air by itself neither rising nor
falling.
It was easy and fun, and then I blew up another balloon and made
Mickey Mouse helium voices for my daughter.
My three year old girl loved it. We flew the blimp all over the
house, terrorized the dog, attacked the fish tank, and the controls
were so easy my daughter could fly.
Let's face it, blimps are fun.
Alas, the fun had to end and my daughter had to go to sleep. I left
the blimp floating in my office downstairs, my wife came home, and we
went to bed, and slept the sleep of the righteous.
At this point it is important to know that my house has central
heating. I have it configured to blow hot air out on the ground floor
and take it in at the second floor to take advantage of the fact that
heat rises.
The blimp which was up until this moment a fun toy here embarked on a
career of evil. Using the artificial convection of my central
heating, the blimp stealthily departed my office. It moved silently
through the living and drifted to the staircase. Gliding wraithlike
over the staircase it then entered the bedroom where my wife and I
lay sleeping peacefully.
Running silently, and gliding six feet or so above the ground on
invisible and tiny air currects it approached the bed.
In spite of it's noiseless passage, or perhaps because of it, I
awoke. That doesn't really say it properly. Let me try again.
I awoke, the way you awake at 2:00 AM when your sleeping senses
suddenly tell you without reason that the forces of evil on
converging on you.
That still doesn't do it. Let me try one more time.
I awoke the way you awake when you suddenly know that there is a
large levitating sinister presence hovering towards you with menacing
intent through the maligant darkness.
Now sometimes I do wake up in the middle of the night thinking that
there are large sinister and menacing things floating out of the
darkness to do me and mine evil. Usually I open my eyes, look and
listen carefully, decide it was a false alarm, and go back to sleep.
So, the fact that I awoke in such a manner was not all that unusual.
On this occasion I awoke to the sense that there was a large menacing
presence approaching me silently out of the gloom, so I opened my
eyes, and there it was! A LARGE SILENT MENACING PRESENCE WAS
APPROACHING ME OUT OF THE GLOOM, AND IT COULD FLY!!!
Somewhere in the control room of my mind a fat little dwarf in a
security outfit was paging through a Penthouse while smoking a cigar
with his feet up on the table, watching the security monitors of my
brain with his peripheral vision. Suddenly he saw the LARGE SILENT
SINSITER MENACING FLOATING PRESENCE coming at me, and he pulled every
panic switch and hit every alarm that my body has. A full decade's
allotment of adrenaline was dumped into my bloodstream all at once.
My metabolism went from "restful sleep mode" to HOLY [censored]!
FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE OR DIE mode" in a nanosecond. My heart went
from twenty something beats per minute to about 240 even faster.
I always knew this was going to happen. I always knew that skepticism
and science were mere psychological decorations and vanities. Deep in
our alligator brains we all know that the world is just chock full of
evil and monsters and sinister forces aligned against us, and it is
only a matter of time until they show up. Evolution know this, too.
It knows what to do when the silent terror comes at you from out of
the dark.
When 50 million years worth o

Re: [RCSE] flying in Phoenix

[Justin Ammon]

Sure thing!  We are having a small BBQ as well Saturday at the contest for 
lunch.
Everyone is welcome!

Justin

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Subject: RE: [RCSE] flying in Phoenix


My uncle lives in Mesa and that will be his very first contest.  Make
him feel welcome, guys.  He has a Cirrus 2M and is just starting to
build a Majestic.
Wiggle your sticks
David Judson
-Original Message-----
From: Justin Ammon
Subject: Re: [RCSE] flying in Phoenix
There is the monthly CASL TD contest the 12th
starting at 10am,...
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Re: [RCSE] flying in Phoenix

[Justin Ammon]

Steve,
I can fly during the week.  There is the monthly CASL TD contest the 12th 
starting at 10am, but it sounds like it will be a touch too early for your 
flying schedule.

Feel free to contact me if you want to fly.  I am almost always ready to go.
Thanks,
Justin
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Subject: [RCSE] flying in Phoenix


I'll be in Phoenix area for a week starting on Saturday the 12th.
I'll be able to fly on Sunday the 13th and the following Saturday.
Will anyone be at Rodeo park.  Does any one fly during the week.
--
Steve Schneider
Buffalo Grove, IL
SOAR Club
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Re: [RCSE] 2 meter and how it fits

[Justin Ammon]

What Mike said!!!
My new custom 2M is on the board.
I love my Open Class ships, but I really enjoy the challenge of 2M.  A high 
placing finish with a 2M means much more to me than the same finish with an 
open class ship.  I'll keep both spans and be very happy flying both (and 
RES too).

There is room for everybody.
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To: 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:49 AM
Subject: [RCSE] 2 meter and how it fits


After lurking and reading the many comments re 2 meter at the NATS I 
figured it was time to submit my dime's worth..

Let's first look at how 2 meter differs from the only other TD class 
(unlimited).. Because there really are just 2 true model classes for 
soaring for the major TD classes at the NATS (based on wing-span of 
course)... Again, these are based on wing-span, just like our full-scale 
counterparts...

With the span limited to 2-meters as compared to unlimited planes we're 
working with the following span-based performance limitations

less aspect ratio, limited visual profile at a distance, shorter glide 
ratio, & generally higher wing loadings.

This creates an entirely different flying environment and potential 
strategy for dealing with a given task. As I've read from a couple 
contributors, the limitation of size makes the 2 meter a bit more 
difficult to achieve a given task at times. This is something that makes 2 
meter unique as compared to unl. span planes, whether full-house or 
limited function (the RES class)...

One of the tenets laid out by Dan Pruss was that a soaring champion should 
show abilities in multiple disciplines and various aspects of Soaring.. 
Within the practical realm of the Soaring NATS in which we deal, 2 Meter 
is the other discipline.. There is no other.

If you take a look at our recent NATS Champs, the Dan Pruss Award has 
required excellence in both disciplines.. This should not change..

There have been other numerous comments referring to 2 meter as an entry 
level class. While it's true that many of us started with 2 meter planes 
like the Gentle Lady, in fact they were RES planes. At the NATS level, the 
competitive end of 2 meter can't be viewed as such.

The entry level category (and throw-back class) is RES. It was before it 
became a rule-book category.

Those that were involved in the early years of the present NATS structure 
might remember that we added RES/NOS at the end of the NATS week as sort 
of a laid back way to finish the week, replacing Sportsman's F3B (which 
occasionally was anything but). It was an easy day of relaxed competition 
before we all went home.

If we want more RES rounds, maybe we should fly just RES on the last day. 
There is a fair amount of cross-over/redundancy on RES/NOS day anyway. 
Maybe another event (like one of the "Woody Majors") could host a 
Nostalgia Championship for those so inclined.

my dimes worth
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Re: [RCSE] What's your favorite contest/gathering format?

[Justin Ammon]

I'd play!
Justin
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Subject: RE: [RCSE] What's your favorite contest/gathering format?


Multi-discipline.  One day of TD, one day of XC and one day of HLG.

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Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...

[Justin Ammon]

Sorry guys, wasn't bashing the Nats...  I am attending this year.  I was 
simply commenting on numbers alone.  The larger the contestant pool the 
better in my opinion.  I think the Nats as the "Championship" is a great 
thing.

Justin Ammon
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CEO EdgeRC Inc
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...


Justin, why don't you attend and see if you have the same opinion.  Anyone 
that wins at Nats is the Champion, there is always representative skills 
and talent there.  It's a very challenging set of contests over the week.

So I encourage you and others to attend, you will have fun, you will meet 
and fly with some very special people day after day.  You will learn, and 
you will be challenged, and get to fly on the AMA grounds, very nice.

It really is a good time, it wears me out and rejuvenates me 
simultaneously.  8-)


At 11:05 AM 2/9/2005, Justin Ammon wrote:
We do have the Nat's, but the numbers seem to be a little low on turnout 
to really call it a championship. Maybe some encouragement to attend the 
Nat's could make it the event it's title indicates.
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club,  AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV
ICQ: 6997780   AIM: InventorJim   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...

[Justin Ammon]

Edgar,
I agree with you.  More major soaring events are needed.
As I understand it, Sacramento is interested in becoming the 3rd leg of the 
triad.  I think this is a valid way to keep it going.  I would also like to 
be able to attend a soaring championship.  We do have the Nat's, but the 
numbers seem to be a little low on turnout to really call it a championship. 
Maybe some encouragement to attend the Nat's could make it the event it's 
title indicates.

Justin Ammon
V.P. CASL
CEO EdgeRC Inc
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...


Question:  Don't know if an official word was passed out on
the Triad, is this DEAD?  We still have the Southwest
Classic, Visalia, and Spring Fling last year... so what is
going on with this "Triad" event?
Don't we have enough interest to bring this back and help
bring more interest for these events?
I guess I'm trying to get my flying fix, can't get enough
flight time in!
How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that
might involve flying in different States, East Coast,
Central Region and West Coast!  It's a small world as we
all know it and I would be interested in attending such an
event!  Any others out there interested in such a thing?
I'm just bored at work and thinking about flying as
usual... hence the AKA "The Soaring Junkie" nick-name!
Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"

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Re: [RCSE] "Kennedy Composites DLG,2m & RES Hot at SWC"

[Justin Ammon]

Well, since I did not place in the wood it really doesn't matter, but I 
flew a 2M Sagitta 600 (24 year old woody) in RES to a 6th place finish.  
Should have entered it in 2M for first place, but I thought it would be fun to 
fly in the larger class.  It was nice to be battling in the top 2-3 in RES 
with this wonderful, if not classic, ship and still be competitive.  In 
typical Justin (JustOn) form I blew the last RES round to take a drop of 4-5 
places.  No one to blame but myself.
 
Just thought I'd give myself a pat on the back.
 
Thanks to Darwin for CD'ing a great contest and to Brian Carpenter for 
all of his VERY hard work as well.
 
Also, the 'Hands Free Retrievers that were provided by Rick Bothell 
and Dan Vester really are a work of art.  I am sure more comments on these 
great retrievers will be shared.
 
The CASL event workers also deserve kudos and a pat on the 
back.  Great work everyone!
 
 
 
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  PM
  Subject: [RCSE] "Kennedy Composites 
  DLG,2m & RES Hot at SWC"
  
  If my info is correct DP won! I am guessing with his home brew giant spot 
  dorker ish plane.
  RES seems to have been AVA in the top spots.
  The DLG all up last down, was apparently a Blaster 1,2,3.
   
  I am thinking that Edgar was flying another Kennedy Composites (Vladimir 
  Models) Organic 2m for second place...but I'm sure someone is going to post 
  some results..sooner or later.
   
  Lets hope the report has what they flew in it :-)
   
  Gordy
  Storkenstein flew in Louisville today, sweet 
ship

Re: [RCSE] Sagitta XC fuse

[Justin Ammon]

Kevin,
Is the XC fuse still available???
If so, let me know where and how to send funds (your preferred method) and 
I'll take it off your hands.

Thanks,
Justin Ammon CEO
EdgeRC Inc
480-593-2458
www.edgerc.com
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Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:09 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Sagitta XC fuse


Forgot to specify, this IS the fiberglass fuselage that Bob Sealy made for
the sagitta and in the process, added about 6 inches of tail length.
KEVIN KAVANEY
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[RCSE] Test-List down or just a problem at my end?

[Justin Ammon]

Last RSCE e-mail received yesterday at 
12:15.
Trying to figure out if the problem is at my end or 
not
Justin

Re: [RCSE] Hobby People has Trition Charger for $109 until Tuesday, save $20

[Justin Ammon]

David, the triton is manual setup only.  It does not auto detect the cell 
count.  The user must select the nominal pack voltage and charge rate.  They 
work fine for lipos IF you are careful to set it properly.  Improper 
settings can cause damage.

BUT...The Sirius chargers are what you need for real battery care.
Justin
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Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] Hobby People has Trition Charger for $109 until Tuesday, 
save $20


I had a Triton.  I used it once and destroyed a lithium pack I hadn't
even gotten a chance to use.  It will read a charged 2cell pack as a
dead 3cell and charge away.  POOF!  Get a Peak or Kokam unit instead.
They set up manually, so YOU are in charge of the settings.
Wiggle your sticks
David Judson
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Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:34 PM
To: exchange
Subject: [RCSE] Hobby People has Trition Charger for $109 until Tuesday,
save $20
Hello Everyone,
Just wanted to get the word out... Hobby People has a sale until this
Tuesday on the Triton Charger for $109, save $20 for a charger that can
do just about any battery pack:NICADs, NiMH, Lead-acid,Lithium-ion...
Just wanted to get the word out as I was surprised when I walked in
today.
Enjoy,
Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"

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Re: [RCSE] CVRC Scores now online at www.rcsoaring.com

[Justin Ammon]

Click on "Contest Results" on the left hand side, and then on "2004 
Visalia..."
Or click this link:
http://www.rcsoaring.com/scores/04cvrcscores.htm

Justin Ammon
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] CVRC Scores now online at www.rcsoaring.com


Where on www.rcsoaring.com do we find them?
Maurice
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Subject: [RCSE] CVRC Scores now online at www.rcsoaring.com


...thanks to Phil Hill and his dedicated CVRC staff...
Joe
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Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"

[Justin Ammon]

Bill,
Gordy was trying to get me to do something different than what I would 
normally do, and he was doing it to get my attention.  Well, it worked.  I 
watched a number of other much higher performance ships attempt to work the 
same lift to no avail, and abandon the area as I was still climbing.  I 
would never have stayed to work that area of lift, but when Gordy kicked me 
in the foot repeatedly for attempting to bug out, I figured I had little to 
loose.  I got my time.
Justin Ammon
www.edgerc.com

PS. Bill...  You are welcome to slap me around, and even time for me.  Just 
don't kick me in the foot (it still hurts).

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"


On 9/29/04 14:31 Justin Ammon wrote:
Actually Darwin...  I do know Gordy.  I had the pleasure of having him 
time
for me on my very last round of 2M on day one of Visalia last year.
Although I did get kicked, and shaken during the flight,
Just so I am straight here, Gordy was kicking and shaking you during your
flight and you STILL defend him??
Man, I don't know what to say!!.
I'd be happy to time for you this weekend. I'll even slap you around a bit
if that will get you to say nice things about me!!
~~~
Bill Malvey

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Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"

[Justin Ammon]

Larry,
Yes, it is an HM Genie.  It has seen more than its share of contests over 
its years, and is being retired to sport/rough-field/landing practice after 
Visalia.  It will be replaced with a new HM Genie-Pro shortly.

My current Genie is not 100% stock with a balsa over foam wing (yes, it 
takes a full pedal launch), a composite fuselage, and a very modified 
vertical tail.  It is not a looker at the moment.  I count a minimum of 8 
different colors of covering on the wings alone.

Justin Ammon
www.edgerc.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Justin Ammon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"


Your bringing a Genie!! Is it the one that Harley Michaelis  Designed 
I
would like to see it when you get here
Larry Taylor  KF6JBG
CVRC Visalia Fall Festival 2004
Oct 2nd & 3rd
Club Web is http://www.cvrcsoaring.com
Ed Hipp  is this years CD. You can reach him at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message - 
From: "Justin Ammon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"

Guys,
All of the Gordy bashing is getting quite old...
If you don't like Gordy that's fine, but running a campaign to demean and
discredit him like a presidential race (and Gordy is the opposing party) 
is
not serving anyone's best interest.  I can understand some jabs at each
other from time to time, but the harsh and sometimes downright vitriolic
attitudes are truly uncalled for.  Lets try to be a little higher quality
citizen and get ourselves out of the trenches.

Justin Ammon
www.edgerc.com
(Genie equiped and Visalia bound)
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Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"

[Justin Ammon]

Actually Darwin...  I do know Gordy.  I had the pleasure of having him time 
for me on my very last round of 2M on day one of Visalia last year. 
Although I did get kicked, and shaken during the flight, he did help me to 
get my time when I thought the lift had abandoned me and my Saggita 600.  I 
do understand that it is somewhat of a sport to take shots at Gordy, but 
some of the comments are really a little over the top.

Justin
www.edgerc.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Darwin Barrie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Justin Ammon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"


Common Justin, you just haven't met Gordy yet. I'll personally introduce 
you
to him at Visalia. Then, you will be on the bashing wagon too. Gordy is
bashed because everybody LIKES Gordy.

Gordy wouldn't be abused nearly as much if Karlton and Sal were still 
active
on the list. Until someone else steps forward through a conspicuous lack 
of
sophistication Gordy is just gonna have to be it.

Gordy is the Icon, the downwind turn, the Skeeter, the skeg and contest
landings of soaring. Each is controversial, as is Gordy. Doesn't mean he
isn't a nice guy, just means it is our RCSE responsibility to keep him on
his toes!!!
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
- Original Message - 
From: "Justin Ammon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"


Guys,
All of the Gordy bashing is getting quite old...
If you don't like Gordy that's fine, but running a campaign to demean and
discredit him like a presidential race (and Gordy is the opposing party)
is
not serving anyone's best interest.  I can understand some jabs at each
other from time to time, but the harsh and sometimes downright vitriolic
attitudes are truly uncalled for.  Lets try to be a little higher quality
citizen and get ourselves out of the trenches.
Justin Ammon
www.edgerc.com
(Genie equiped and Visalia bound)
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Re: [RCSE] "Gordy"

[Justin Ammon]

Guys,
All of the Gordy bashing is getting quite old...
If you don't like Gordy that's fine, but running a campaign to demean and 
discredit him like a presidential race (and Gordy is the opposing party) is 
not serving anyone's best interest.  I can understand some jabs at each 
other from time to time, but the harsh and sometimes downright vitriolic 
attitudes are truly uncalled for.  Lets try to be a little higher quality 
citizen and get ourselves out of the trenches.

Justin Ammon
www.edgerc.com
(Genie equiped and Visalia bound) 

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Re: [RCSE] ICON musing

[Justin Ammon]

Nope, can't see beating an ICON because it had a handicap imposed as being
any fun!
Same rules for all so no one can claim 'But I would have won if...'
My Genie finds the taste of a handicapped ICON to be less than pleasing.


Justin Ammon
www.edgerc.com

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From: "Allan/Tara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:07 AM
Subject: [RCSE] ICON musing


> Laboring under the assumption that the "ICON" is really that far
> advanced in comparison to everything else available perhaps this thought
is
> applicable ?
>
> In as much as TD contest are a test of "pilot skills" rather than "I
can
> spend more than you " maybe CD's should impose an automatic 10-15 second
> deduction on the score of all ICON flyers. Like a handicap in golf or
> restrictor plates in NASCAR, with a point deduction in place we've
> essentially leveled the playing field !  :>)
>
> Allan Parsons
> Orlando Buzzards
>
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Re: [RCSE] A commercial I can live with!!

[Justin Ammon]

I loved the video!  What a sweet sloper!

I guess I jump in with a little plug for one on the kits on my site.
Viewing it you will see a chain link fence and steel poles that lose or at
least come up in a full-fledged stalemate with the PCW!!!
Keep in mind that the plane in the video is electric, but makes a GREAT
Sloper too.

18+Mb video:
http://www.edgerc.com/PCWcrashtestmed.wmv

or a less than half length video at 7+Mb:
http://www.edgerc.com/PCWcrashsm.wmv

Enjoy,

Justin Ammon
www.edgerc.com


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From: "Jim Deck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: [RCSE] A commercial I can live with!!


> If you haven't checked out
> http://www.f3x.com/htdocs/Video/Mini%20Falcon1.wmv do so at once.  At
least
> a smile for sure.  This Is the way to sell sailplanes!
> Jim Deck
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