Re: [RCSE] Migrating

[LJolly]

 
You mean Joe Wurts won't be able use his Gordy Soar handle any  more??

Here's  something to consider when "migrating" to a replacement for RCSE. 
One of  the strengths of RCSE was that we all used our real names, not 
cutesy-poo  nam de plumes.  Let's continue that practice in what ever forum 
we  wind up in.
Jim  Deck 

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Re: [RCSE] RES vs UNL vs DLG

[LJolly]

 
Bill,
 Sounds Great! Are We allowed to modify the Skeeter? :-) LJ

I think  it is abundantly clear the path that is needed to be taken in 
soaring to  restore it to all its glory.  Yes, I am talking about the 
complete  prohibition of all but one aircraft from soaring competition.

The one  and only aircraft that shall be used is the venerable Skeeter, 
and it MUST  be built by the pilot. This will restore the need for 
building skills and  also positively determine who the best pilot is. 
Anyone who can keep a  Skeeter aloft from more than a few minutes truly 
is a a soaring  God!!

So there it is, the salvation of soaring is the Skeeter. Who'd a  thunk it??

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[RCSE] Another reason not to Fly 2.4 GHz

[LJolly]

I am sure this is just one of those things that can happen when New  
technologies are quickly accepted and infrastructure has just not reacted  
quickly 
enough to keep pace. What I am speaking about is the lack of  accommodation to 
Spread Spectrum contestants and their timers at Soaring  Competitions. As I am 
sure you know back in the old 72 MHz days if you wanted to  have your own 
caller timer at a contest you just entered on the same frequency  so that you 
would 
be available to help each other. This was the method in  particular used at 
the Nats and the Masters. Because of the lack of  identification of a unique SS 
frequency the SS guys are just piled in to the  Matrix. This has caused some 
major headaches at the Nats where contestants have  been held up waiting for 
Timers. My suggestion to those clubs that are having  Contests with called 
flight order is to accept SS entries and either ask  for team affiliation or 
Timer, Helper particulars. I am thinking you could  identify SS flight groups 
as 
say SS1  SS2  SS3 and use the same 3-4  contetstants as is now offered to 72 
MHz 
contestants. I believe that this will  be fairer and help the contest run 
smoother. Larry



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Re: [RCSE] f3j multiplex cup

[LJolly]

 
Just got back  from 3 weeks in Turkey and have a lot of good memories from 
the F3J  Worlds.
The Multiplex  Cup was the brain storm of Philip Kolb and Murat Esibatir 
while at Nuremberg  last spring. The top 7 seniors and 3 Juniors as of Thursday 
afternoon were given  prebuilt EZ Gliders and sent off for an hours trimming 
with the  competitors  own transmitter. There is a very popular 2meter in class 
flown  in Turkey that uses hi-starts for launching. This contest was modeled 
after that  category. With this type of equipment I am guessing a good launch 
will  get you 250 feet, about 3 minutes height for a 2 meter, less with an EZ 
Glider.  This proved to be an extremely popular spectator event and appeared to 
be great  fun for the flyers. Dave was way off the field in the second flight, 
just a  speck and managed to get home. Poor Cody learned you have to turn the 
radio  on :-) This type of event will prove to be a popular addition at 
future large  events where manufacturers will be given the opportunity to show 
case 
their  products. Kudos to Philip and the Turkish Organizers for having the 
for site to  offer this kind of promotion during the contest. And a big Hand to 
Multiplex for  supplying the Gliders! Best Regards  Larry







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Re: [RCSE] WAG contest.. The real Story :-)

[LJolly]

 
Craig,
 At the risk of getting to mushy over the Stahl man here. I mean he  has 
taken some interesting positions over the years. But, he is also a  very good 
timer caller. Yea it is amazing how much more Gordy knows now that I  have 
spent 
some time getting to know him. LJ

Gordy  only told part of the Story

I talked Gordy into flying in the WAG  contest the Friday before the IHLGF... 
I brought 3 planes with me, so I  figured what's the worst that could 
happen...He could destroy one of my  backups... No big deal :-)  Well on the 
way to 
the field my brakes failed  and I had to take a turn really fast... Like a 
40mph U turn :-) Well that  shifted everything in the van and broke my #2 
planes 
boom... So now I'm down  to 2 planes. Still no big deal if Gordy destroys one.. 
Right... So I show up  at the field and Gordy is itching to fly..

I pull out the plane check  that everything works and give it a toss.. 
Straight up.. No control.. Straight  down.. Well kind of... Through the 
telephone 
lines and into Bruce Davidson's  rental car... Someone was on my frequency!!! 
:-(((

So now I'm down to  ONE plane If U have ever flown in the IHLGF its 
almost impossible to go  all weekend with just one plane... Shit happens :- 
hehe

So now I'm  like... Crap.. But oh well who cares? Not me :-)

I gave Gordy  my word and that's more important to me... So I hand Gordy my 
ONLY plane and  let him go at it... For not being " A Hand-launch Guy" he had a 
decent  launch.. He flies the crap out of it.. Like he's been flying it for 
years...  He even new how to handle a Futaba 9C transmitter...H???  

In  the back of my mind I'm figuring something is going to happen.. 

Well  it did..

Gordy using a plane he had only 20-30 min of flying time  on kicked some 
serious ass... He was 5th going into the fly-offs...The only  reason he didn't 
do 
well in the fly-offs was the weather conditions really  deteriorated, the sun 
was almost down, and lift was non-existent.. It became a  who can launch the 
highest and cover contest... 

How did I do with the  very same plane? Not so good... All these years I 
thought I lived in the State  of California.. But now I realize I live in the 
State of Denial!!! 

My  flying sucks :-))

I know some of you who have never meet Gordy  probably think he really lives 
is in his mothers basement or a Mental  Institution making up stories on the 
Internet about flying all over the  world...  Well as much as I hate to say 
it... Gordy really is a good  stick and a good ambassador for our hobby

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Re: [RCSE] 2.4, Gay Cabelleros, AC/DC, Gordy's Friends?

[LJolly]

 
One has to be careful jumping to conclusions, as things are not always as  
they seem. If that photo was taken for instance in Phoenix, you could assume  
that it was a couple of Nancy's out for a lark. But those guys are from SoCal,  
and they are actually the local Shaman from SWSA, who have joined forces to  
ward off the bad Juju so that their FASST Systems will work. Sorry Darwin..  
Better have a talk with your team mates :-) LJ

 
 
Martin,
Whass happening to our  business?
I too, have seen some  fellows in orange suits.
Check out the fotos  of these guys holding hands.
Are they the same ones you  seen?
Ain't they cute!
 
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Re: [RCSE] 2.4

[LJolly]

 
Bill and Darwin, 
You know I love both you guys even though you wear those Orange shirts, and  
I have to concede that it is possible to do more with 14 than 12. I want to  
point out that the discussion was 2.4 and sailplanes, and I still feel IMHO 
that  JR offers more flexibility and better RX's for our competition sailplanes 
and  large scale models with multiple servos and high power requirements. I 
also  don't often venture in to the large aerobatic arena so it would be unfair 
for me  to comment on that phase of the hobby. I do know something about 
Helicopters,  and have always found that JR  has had the best flexibility and 
options for  programming. Even with all the limitations of the 12X over the 14, 
that 
guy  Quique  somehow manages to get the 12X to do enough that he is not  
embarrassed to show up at a contest. Enough said I hope the Futaba is  always 
good 
to you. Larry




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Re: [RCSE] 2.4

[LJolly]

 
I'm a little biased being on Team Futaba. Despite the brand loyalty, I've  
looked at all of them and find the Futaba 2.4 receivers the most practical for  
the soaring application.
 
Darwin,
 I can't fault you for being a little biased being a team flyer and  all. But 
in all fairness it is obvious that the new JR 12X is the ultimate radio  for 
all our applications. Granted I plan to keep my 9303's for my HLG's and  
Helicopters. But when it comes to the expensive big stuff there is just one  
choice, the 12X. By the way you might want to go over to the Horizon website 
and  
check out all the new Rx's made especially for the power usage's required in 
the 
 IMAC models and large scale ships where a RX with real beef in the power  
department will keep you from getting those embarrassing expensive brownouts  
when you can least tolerate them. And for all of you guys running non DSM 2.4  
systems and think you have the optimal RX installation, you are dreaming.  
Additional Auxiliary RX's are not a sign of a deficient system but a feature of 
 a 
well thought out system that allows for fine tuning the RF paths in the 
model.  I do fly quite a few 6 channel DSM RX's and have to fine tune the  RX 
install because they small Rx's don't have data logger capability. I  always 
check 
a new install with the 7 and 9 channel RX's with the data logger.  It is quick 
and easy, and offers a serious peace of mind when you have you 2K  moldy a 
mile and a half down wind. I believe that you will see 2.4 become the  norm 
much 
quicker than predicted here, won't it be nice to run the SWC with NO  TX 
impound?? Think about the cattle chute at Visalia disappearing?  Oh Yea  2.4 is 
the ticket and the train has left the station.
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Re: [RCSE] Remember Slope Soaring News?

[LJolly]

 
Mark,
 Those sections were derived from work done by Jack Chambers, Maria  designer 
from the 70's. LJ

 
 
I  was in Long Beach back in the late 70's early 80's and flew with Dick and 
his  little planes. They were the coolest thing around. He gave me some 
airfoil  sections to play with but I could never get them to fly like his. 
Seeing is 
 name brought back a whole lot of memories.


Thanks  John,


Mark  Miller
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Re: [RCSE] F3J Fundraiser

[LJolly]

 
John,
 You are totally off base here! As there are good and bad Christians,  there 
are good and bad Muslims. I don't feel the need to educate you here, but I  
can tell you that Turkey is the one European Country that I could and would 
live 
 if I left the US. Theirs is a secular Muslim Majority Country that also 
happens  to be democratic and very Freedom loving. Not to mention their long 
time  
alliance with the US and 2 major US military bases on their soil. Larry

I went  to the site and donated $20.00, super easy and quick using paypal.

I  would have loved to buy a hat, but the artwork has the crescent/star 
symbol  incorporated in the design, and I would no sooner wear that than
I would  walk around sporting a swastika or a hammer and sickle.

It might be a  good idea to re-work the design, I think a lot more stuff 
might be  sold...

Good luck team USA!

JR



 Daryl Perkins  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Darwin, thanks so much for the  effort. And to all of you who have and
> are contributing. We really  thank you. I can't even begin to explain
> what a monumental task (and  expenditure) it is to organize and send a
> team of 13 halfway around  the world to compete. The AMA very generously
> supports a portion of  travel expenses, and some contest expenses, but
> nowhere near enough to  keep us from going out of pocket. It's donations
> from you guys that  get us there. (and probably wish we wouldn't come
> back) ;-)
>  
> Check out our site http://usf3jteam.com/ to see a list of sponsors  who
> have graciously donated cash, raffle prizes, or both. And maybe  you
> could even buy something. 
> 
>  Airtronics/Global
> Kennedy Composites
> CST
> Radio Carbon  Art
> Soaring USA
> JR
> LSF
> Skip Miller  Models
> 
> And you guys. Thanks so much. 
> 
> Daryl  - plannin' on kicking some Euro @ss - Perkins ;-)
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >  Original Message  
> > Subject: [RCSE] F3J Fundraiser
> > From:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sat, May 03, 2008 11:18 am
>  > To: soaring@airage.com
> > Come on guys, yesterday I put up a  challenge to raise money for our F3J 
team. I offered $100 and stand by that.  So far nobody has stepped to the 
plate.
> > For those buying jackets,  that is good but good old cash will be even 
more helpful.
> > Lets  get on board and donate some money.
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> >  Chandler, AZ
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Re: [RCSE] Painting moulded fiberglass fuse

[LJolly]

Rich, It sounds not like paint but instead surface prep, that is causing  the 
beading.
Fiberglass fuselages especially those not painted in the mold will have  some 
sort of release agent
used in the molding process to get the part out and not damage the mold.  
Prior to doing any work on a new Fiberglass fuselage the part must be washed  
with  detergent and water, and then wiped with a rag that has a mild  solvent 
on 
it. Use gloves especially if you might have kids in the future. Now  get one 
of those flexible sanding pads and scuff the surface of the fuselage.  Medium 
and Fine grades should do the trick. Make sure and pay particular  attention 
where you might tape the wings or canopy. You are done when the  shine is gone 
on the fuselage. If you see small imperfections this is a good  time to use a 
polyester putty like Evercoat to fill and fair them. Now wipe the  fuselage 
with Solvent again, and mask off any areas that need to be protected.  If an 
excellent finish is required use a polyester spray primer, needs touchup  gun 
and 
compressor, wetsand with 240 and then hit with auto paint, poly urethane  
finishes or epoxy are tougher and heavier. If you have none of the above  use a 
spray can Primer misted on in several coats. Resist the urge to spray it  in 
one 
coat. Spray outside where you can see the work and not breathe the fumes.  
Preferably the next day wet sand the fuselage with 320 wet and dry to take the  
fuzz off. Suspend the fuselage long ways horizontal nose to tail and mist on a 
 color coat. Start the spray before the fuselage and release the nozzle when 
you  are off the end of the fuselage, this gives even coats with no runs. 2-3 
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Re: [RCSE] New Zealand F3J team raffle

[LJolly]

Joe did you extend the Raffle Deadline? Otherwise you probably should have  
sent this earlier. LJ



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[RCSE] Fazer,Frazer, and Victor Xtail Carbon For sale.

[LJolly]

I need to make some Room for Airplanes that are just sitting:
 I have a DTube Fazer  Ben Clerx Scheme Green over Red  NIB   
$1000.00
 I have a Dtube Extreme Ben Clerx Scheme Green over Red  NIB
$1000.00
 I have an All Carbon Victor Xtail NIB  Red and Yellow  Stripes over Black 
$1200.00  
 Super Star DTube  Red over Black 3421 on Elevator and Flap 368's  Ailerons  
$1350.00 with Servos $1000.00 without  
Starlight 3000  Xtail   Green over  Red  94761's  throughout  
$950.00
Starlight 3000  VTail  Green over  Red   NIB  
   $900.00
Eraser Extreme  Well used by Casey Adamcyzk at the  Worlds  141's  fuse 368 
in the wing  $650.00
 
I may have access to more Victors and Erasers please contact me if you are  
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[RCSE] Apologies to the Airtrix guys.

[LJolly]

Apologies to the Airtrix guys. Guys, I totally forgot the Infinity 1000,  
Sanwa's 10 channel sophisticated radio. This Radio had lots of programming  
power, it was just a little convoluted to get from here to there.
By the way after my last post Jimbo called and offered me $60.00  for  my 
9303. When I said WHAT!!!
He told me that I couldn't expect to get top dollar for an out dated  
System!! He told me that since I am flying the 12X I no longer need the 9303.  
OK, I 
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Re: [RCSE] The Stylus, Airtronics, and Houdini

[LJolly]

 


Friends in Soaring,
 As you know I flew Airtronics systems for years and years. I  remember when 
I got my first Stylus in the early 90's, it was and  is, a classic Radio. 
However radio design did not stop in 1991. I  was involved in discussions for 
at 
least 3 new radio designs for Sanwa, that  were always canceled. It took 4 
years to get the 94761 Servo in to our  hands, this drove Ron nuts because he 
knew 
We all had JR servos in our  Gliders. I can remember many meetings with Sanwa 
Engineers where they  patiently listened to what We wanted, and nodded in 
agreement.  Then 6  months down the road, it was like We had never had the 
discussion. We were  crying for a new Glider Card, but it wasn't possible. Did 
you 
ever stop to  wonder Why there is not Stylus replacement from Sanwa? The truth 
is the Stylus  was designed here in America as a project for Airtronics. I 
think it was by  the same Team that did the software for the Vision. Sanwa has 
never  designed a radio with all the features of the Stylus. I am not saying 
they  can't do it, I'm just looking back at my experience with Sanwa, where  
they 
chose not to do it. If you guys are waiting for Sanwa to come up  with your 
Stylus replacement, you might get tired of waiting, I know I  did. I jumped to 
JR and have never been happier. They have a full line  of cutting edge Radio 
gear, Great Service, Incredible Support for  Soaring, and more important, 
People willing to listen to us. Team Red is  growing, while you are waiting, 
We'll 
be flying. 
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Re: [RCSE] Stylus V-tail setup?

[LJolly]

 
Dave,
 It is real tough you go in to the first Menu look up Vtail and  activate it. 
If you need help give me a call. Larry

I  figured the setup out I was confusing my Stylus(simple) with my JR  
9303(wtf) programming. ;-)
If anyone would like you could fill me in on  the 9303 v-tail 
programming, so if I ever come up to speed, I'll  know
how it's done.

Thanks,
David
No flames please, I'm just  having fun

David Zucker wrote:
>
>
> Hi  All,
>
> Just trying to setup my F3B Ceres on my Stylus. I was  able to get Mike 
> Smiths setup.Everything is moving the proper  direction but it has 100% 
> aileron to rudder mix. I haven't  done  a V-tail on my Stylus in years 
> but I also remember you could program  v-tail diff.
> JT, if your out there ping me. I lost all my e-mail  contacts a couple 
> weeks ago. I also lost all my Stylusboy input and I  had a ton.
>
> Help,
>
> David  Zucker
>
>
>


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Re: [RCSE] Stylus Sold

[LJolly]

 
Cmon Skip, you can barely give a Stylus away..Look at how much he  discounted 
the Radio!!!
I have 5 Stylus systems waiting for offers I sold my last one to you  for 
$125.00 for a TX. So are you saying the new RD8000 will do the mixing for an  
F3X Glider??? Friends want to know LJ

Of  course it went quickAirtronics Stylus is STILL one of the best  
sailplane radios, and value , out thereooops must confess, I fly my  35% 
gassers with it as well...and electrics...and pylonsand 23' NIMBUS  4 (12 
functions on a 8 channel radio...a the trickery)..but there  is a new 
kid on the block...NICK STONG just set the 60 inch JW   foamie DS WORLD 
RECORD(205MPH) at Lake Isabella flying his brand new  AIRTRONICS  RD8000 
2.4... 8 channels, 2.4, digital trims , 10  model memory , fast 
radio.fast thumbs. Cool new AIRTRONICS radio at a  great price ..getting 
ready to test fly it in a start of the art, carboned  up ESPADA RL...I'll 
keep you posted

Skip
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To:  
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:11  PM
Subject: [RCSE] Stylus Sold


>
> That went  quick
>
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[RCSE] Ben Clerx on TV tonight

[LJolly]

So, I get home from going to a contest and I am a little tired because it  
was way out of town, actually about 8500 miles out of town. My body isn't  sure 
where it is so I wake up and flip the TV on. Honestly who is walking  straight 
towards me out of the TV is my flying buddy Ben Clerx. And I am  confused 
because he doesn't have a chute in his hand. Apparently Our Friend Ben,  is not 
only a World Recognized Intentional F3J Pilot, but in his spare time he  is a 
well known UFO Hunter. Apparently Ben will do just about anything to raise  
those funds to go to Istanbul. So if you want to see Ben doing his other  
thing, 
he will be on the History Channels UFO Hunters tonight Wednesday.  Apparently 
there is a side of Ben that his friends don't see where he isn't  wearing that 
Floppy Gardening hat. If everything goes well and he gets a spin  off sitcom, 
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Re: [RCSE] How long will 72Mhz remain open?

[LJolly]

 
Bill,
 I wouldn't expect any dire consequences for the 72 MHZ band. I could  see in 
the near future where 2.4 will become the choice, and expectation  for 
contest flying. However, I can tell you that the folks at Horizon will  
continue to 
support their 72mhz range of equipment, and they have no plans to  discontinue 
72 Mhz gear at this time. I just ordered a 790 RX this morning  because I am 
finishing an all carbon F3B model that I don't want to mess  around poking 
holes in the Nose for. I looked at the flyer for the  New  JR 12 channel and it 
will be offered on 72 Mhz. My own thoughts will  be that most of the companies 
will maintain 72 Mhz gear as long as it is a  viable business option. My 
inclination would be to keep selling product as  long as people want it. So I 
guess, We will decide how long 72 Mhz holds on.  Best Regards Larry

So now  that 2.4 Ghz is emerging in force; how long will we continue to have 
FCC  approved access to the 72MHz band?

Bill Swingle
Janesville,  CA

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Re: [RCSE] 2.4G lag time reality.

[LJolly]

Paul, 
In the case of the Spread Spektrum systems you are absolutely correct. You  
will also not be able to take advantage of the Global Unique Identifier that 
the  allows the dedicated 2.4 systems to recognize a dedicated binded model 
setup.  Larry



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Re: [RCSE] " What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting ...

[LJolly]

I understand that some of you will have skepticism in regard to the  increase 
in performance from the 2.4 Spread Spektrum Systems. The first time  that I 
flew a my 9303X 2.4 system in a glider I got the feeling I was better  
connected to the glider. I did some high speed dives and pulled the elevator in 
 a 
pylon turn. I definitely could sense a faster response. Remember this effect  
is 
amplified because I fly a pretty aft CG. In November I was doing some  
Helicopter prep for a movie, and installed the 9303X and with 921RX in a  
previously 
flown machine. This particular Heli features a 3 servo CCPM  mixing system to 
steer the head. In this case there was no doubt about the  improvement in 
response and lack of slop in the system. I got the feeling that I  was really 
hooked up, kind of like flying with tight strings instead of loose  ones. So, I 
know there is an improvement available with the SS 2.4 systems. But  too be 
honest with you, I would be more intrigued with 2.4 because of the lack  of 
frequency conflicts, and great range of equipment available from Horizon. I  
know 
some of you will not try 2.4 for any number of reasons. But I can list  several 
friends who have tried it, seen the advantage and now are switching  entire 
fleets over to Spread Spektrum 2.4 systems. All my best  Larry



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Re: [RCSE] Fwd: Gap seal tape testimonial - I could not resist sharing

[LJolly]

 
Don,
 How cool is that! I have been considering your product for quite some  time 
and just waiting to see if it would really hold up.
Now that you have been endorsed by the Precious Metal team, I guess I can  go 
a head and order some for my T-28 now. Congratulations and keep those  
products coming. Larry

 
In a message dated 3/1/08 7:43:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

After  installing Hilaunch.com gap seal tape to our P-51 race plane we saw 
over a  15mph increase in speed. Precious Metal qualified at 410.775mph. We  
installed it on the ailerons, elevator and rudder, and it never once came  off 
during race week at Reno. The aircraft then flew to Gathering of the  Mustangs, 
and back to Florida through weather and never once saw a single  strip fail. 
The Aircraft saw regular speeds over 450mph in level flight  during that time 
period. I would not hesitate to use the Hilaunch.com gap  seal tape again in 
the future. 

Michael Town
Design and  Modifications
Precious Metal Air Racing



Of course you can improve the performance of your  sailplane with Gap Seal 
available from _www.hilaunch.com_ (http://www.hilaunch.com/) .
 
 
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San Diego,  CA
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After installing Hilaunch gap seal tape to  our P-51 race plane we saw over a 
15mph increase in speed. Precious Metal  qualified at 410.775mph. We 
installed it on the ailerons, elevator and rudder,  and it never once came of 
during 
race week at Reno. The aircraft then flew to  Gathering of the Mustang, and 
back to Florida through weather and never once  saw a single strip fail. The 
Aircraft saw regular speeds over 450mph in level  flight during that time 
period. 
I would not hesitate to use the Hilaunch gap  seal tape again in the future. 

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Re: [RCSE] Seriously offended

[LJolly]

 
Ira,
 Welcome to RCSE!  Gordy Offends Everyone it's his job! Although  I have to 
admit he gets to grow on you when you figure him out. LJ


Oooh..  Now you can expect a private email from the G-dude  himself 
correcting 
you of your ways.  :)



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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:48:13  -0700
Subject: [RCSE] Seriously offended

> Gordy-
>  
> You said "Come on you guys, get involved and share!" and when I  took
> your invitation to share, you call my carefully thought out  work
> "silly" and "wacky" and claim it has nothing to do with reality?  Your
> behavior is offensive to me.


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[RCSE] The new Jr 12X

[LJolly]

Guys,
I just wanted to get the word out that the new JR 12X has reached the stage  
of Team Field Testing and that it should be available to you soon. I was lucky 
 enough to snag one of the Test units and can tell you that this is going to 
be a  very Good Sailplane system.
Basic features are a full 12 channels,  6- 3 position switches on the  TX,  5 
Flight Modes and 8 programmable Mixes. The system is designed for 4  or 6 
servo wings with easy adjustment for all surfaces, 50 model memory, and  
Aero,Heli, and Glider software. The 12 channel Rx 's are going to be awesome 
for  the 
Scale sailplane flyers, while most of us will fly our TD ships with a  
921Thats right it is on 2.4.
I will fly it this weekend, and report more as testing continues. So for  
those of you waiting for the PCM 10 replacement or want a little more than 9303 
 
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[RCSE] 2.4 and Soaring

[LJolly]

Gordy,
 I am glad to see that you are now discovering 2.4 and the wonderful  
advantages it brings to us.
I would like to comment on a couple of points that you brought forth in the  
article penned by Dale.
Before I start I want you to know that I think it is great that there is  
more than one approach to the integration of 2.4 for RC. Kind of reminds me of  
VHS and Beta Max. Was one better than the other? From a technical point of 
view,  Beta Max was probably better, but in the end the consumer made the 
choice 
and  VHS won out. I started flying for Horizon Team JR last July. I tried 2.4 
in  August and have flown very few models on 72 since then. I was the one that  
requested that Samba and Lubos make glass nosed models for their competition  
models. I saw this as an easy way for the average modeler to get a clean, no  
hassle installation.
I can remember when the Sailplane Manufacturers started making fuses with  
the Hybrid Carbon Kevlar fabrics. Some worked fine with 72mhz others defied  
explanation and required antenna extensions and careful antenna placement. I  
read Dales article and noted that his requirements for a better system are  
different from mine. The first point I would like to make is that from the  
reading 
I have done multiple Rx's for 2.4 in a system is an advantage. Because  of 
the potential for blocking and orientation issues as the model is maneuvered  
around the sky, multiple Rx's allow for the system to maintain optimal signal  
quality. Using a Data Logger is not a crutch for a poorly designed system.  It 
is a tool that is easily used by a modeler to optimize his Rx  installation, 
and give him real data so he knows how good, good is. In the old  days with 72, 
I installed the antenna extension, and test flew the model. I  would test the 
installation by flying the model at various distances and then  aiming the 
tip of the antenna and watch for the Airtronics right flap drop.  I then 
started 
collapsing the TX antenna and checking aircraft response..not  very 
scientific, but in the end I had a good idea how far away I could fly my  model.
So now with the Data Logger I know how well my Rx is working and if the  
install is optimized. I use and recommend the JR 9303 2.4 system with the 921  
Rx. 
I have the system installed in My Pike Perfect SL and have had flawless  
performance from this combo. Note that it is a very clean and easy installation 
 
with all radio components in the nose and no antennas exposed from the vehicle. 
 By the way JR does sell several Rx's on 2.4 that don't use a remote Rx. We  
fly these in Park flyers and other Aircraft that don't have the complication 
of  Materials and Range requirements of our Sailplanes.
For me the Spread Spektrum Systems offers excellent performance, and a  
complete line of systems and components to best fit my requirements.
For those of you using the FASST system that doesn't have the Data Logger  
capability how do you know how well your system is working?
Which is the Better System? Time will tell us but I know where I am putting  
my money. 
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Re: [RCSE] "As the Current Reigning World Champion Woody Pilot..." PT 1 1/2 S...

[LJolly]

 
Gordy,
 I am Glad you are finally getting around to accepting the 2.4  revolution. I 
have flown nothing but 2.4 since October and never intend to look  back. 
Besides the increase in model performance through better response time,  there 
is 
nothing that comes close to knowing that if you turn on your tranny and  the 
model hooks up then you are good to go. I do fly the Spektrum  Systems and have 
had nothing but excellent performance from them. Thinking back  at the SWC 
those of use flying after the contest could have fun knowing that WE  DON"T 
NEED 
NO STINKIN CLOTHES PIN cause our Radio lets us know if it is safe to  go. YOU 
can have that one Gordy, how about a new button. PIN!!!  NO Thanks,  I am on 
2.4
 Look forward to hangin with you soon. Larry

 
And finally...well not finally cuz its still early in this game...2.4  news.  
I flew 2.4 in my Marauder and a handful of guys flew various  brands in their 
2.4 friendly RES and Open ships.  It  does work if you apply those little 
gray cells when  installing.
 
I had a really good chat with Peter Goldsmith (Horizon Hobby) during a  lull 
in the action and I threw a couple of what-if's at him concerning  concern for 
2.4 limitations...and well, he was ready for them!
 
Yep, its about 40 Spectrum TX's that can be on at once, and it while  it 
would be possible for a situation to arise in some fictional situation  where 
someone would be inconvenienced...all indications in actual contest  conditions 
so 
faras in real world versus hypotheticalall indications  are that its 
a case of don't worry...be REAL happy!
 
This was my first opportunity to experience the out right feeling of  freedom 
of having a 2.4 system at a contest.  Each time they'd  call me up to fly my 
woody, hand me the 16 clip I had registered for my  other classes, I'd just 
smile, knowing that it no longer applied...none  of 'it'.  And flying that 
woody 
that took the MMGliderTech boys a  lot of hours of meticulous building to 
create...knowing that it was safe  from at least one threat of undeserved 
destruction.  Each timeit  sunk in a little deeper, that feeling of first 
freedom, then real  realization of what it meant to not even consider the  
possibilities, responsibilities and liabilities of having to have a  'channel'. 
It 
really made me understand how worth it is would be to  do the 'work' of getting 
those RX's installed correctly.
 
My chat with Peter  G also enlightened me about why they decided on  the two 
RX system...its pretty logical actually.  The 2.4 signal is no  more or less 
affected by the carbon fuses we use in all of our molded ships  today than 
72mhz is.  But we figured out how to overcome the  carbon problem...by 
extending 
the antenna and allowing it to dangle free  of RF signal shading caused by 
wings and fuses.
 
Spectrum's dual RX's provide actual triangulation system for the signals  
that pass back and forth, from TX to RXs', a wider 'backstop' of  sorts for the 
TX signal to be caught with...two hands instead of one  to get a good grip on 
the information your thumb is trying to get to the  servos.  A bit of over kill 
for most RC applications but just enough for  RC sailplanes...that fly wa 
off, in sometimes foggy weather, sometimes  blocked or deflected by tree 
tops, antenna and power towers..and of course  timer's bellies :-).
 
This kind of thinking comes from a company with two top RC sailplane guys  in 
positions to offer up the 'what-ifs' to designers and engineers at the  
manufacturer levels.
 
Okay does that mean none of the other systems won't or don't work?   Nope, 
but it does give you all some insight I know I didn't have until I had a  
chance 
to ask about...after I had some personal experience with 2.4.
 
Currently I don't have non carbon fuselages for my World's Heaviest  Carbon 
Supra Lite, or my Perfect, or Pike Giant, or even my Super AVA...but I  have 
some ideas to try in order to use 2.4 in those airframes successfully.  I'll 
keep you guys posted on my experiments :-).

Gordy




 

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[RCSE] Many Thanks to CASL

[LJolly]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank all the great folks at  CASL, 
that made this last weekend so enjoyable. Even though numbers were down,  
this was a really fun event that was well run, and turned out to have great  
weather.Chico kept the contest going, and all the hard work Rick did on the  
winches proved to be the right move. I had Gordy time for me, and was very  
impressed with his calling and timing abilities, he really can do more than 
slam  a 
keyboard. There was some international flavor with the addition of  Andreas  
flying with Mike Smith, and as far as I could see everyone enjoyed  a super 
weekend of flying and catching up with friends. It was good seeing all  of you, 
I 
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[RCSE] Joe Wurts Email

[LJolly]

Guys, A friend in Europe needs to contact Joe. Would one of you help out  
with his Email  address. 
Thanks Larry



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Re: [RCSE] "Snow and Ice at the SWC Today?"

[LJolly]

 
Bill,
 You know the deal, everyone has either a pool or an RV. LJ

Darwin  N. Barrie wrote:
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Re: [RCSE] "I'm snow boarding in a shopping center in Dubai today...you?

[LJolly]

Can't beat that Gordy,
Yesterday I drove down to Kill Devil Hills for a long over do visit to the  
Wright Memorial and launch site. It is raining on the East Coast so I found  
myself alone up on top.I am glad I went, it was well worth it,  to experience 
this significant site. I get to spend this week at Wallops,  staying on 
Chincoteague where there is snow on the ground. But I do get to watch  the 
Patriots 
beat up on the Chargers this afternoon.Can't wait to get home next  weekend to 
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Re: [RCSE] Contest Format

[LJolly]

 
A note in support of Tom's comments, I noticed that the Munich F3k Contest  
registration opened up last week.  I was considering going over and was  trying 
to organize it with some friends. The competition was full in 3 days 110  
confirmed 15 on a back up list. I have seen this over and over in European  
Events. I have also noticed a younger crowd showing up. My Best regards  Larry

Wow lots  of stuff here.

In general contests outside the USA are well attended.  Contests attendance
inside the USA is diminishing.   Why?

Outside the USA they typically fly F3J or a local version of F3J  with F3B
winches that the pilots supply btw. They are strict about being on  the line
in time; they don't "soften" the task for anyone. They play  hardball over
there and their attendance is thriving. 

Inside the  USA most of our formats are the same since the late 70's while
our models  have evolved over the last 30+ years the contests have not. Our
attendance  is shrinking, we give in to a sandbagger, and we don't want to
change  anything to keep the pilots we have coming back. We don't push
ourselves to  try anything new and learn something. Sure the new guy has lots
to learn  starting from zero but after 6 months what is next? Guys soaring is
not  difficult.
How many of us are significantly better pilots after the first 2  or 3 years?
What have you learned the last 3 years? We quit flying if the  conditions get
a little rough. You can choose your issue all day long as  why we get board
or why attendance is shrinking.

BTW, Each and every  contest I have been to is a social event! That's the
nature of humans. We  tend to have fun when we can. I would say lets play a
little hardball and  push our skills a bit and move up a peg. The USA was at
one time a soaring  leader we sure can't say that anymore.


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Re: [RCSE] Contest Format

[LJolly]

 
Rick, Good Points... What kind of Cookies are We talking here. Larry  Jolly


Here's a format that's fair to everyone and no hurt feelings at the  
end of the contest.

We'll let everyone launch whenever they want  and fly for whatever 
they can accomplish.  When they land we'll rub  their heads and tell 
them what a great job they did and give them a max  score.  If they 
break the line or pop off we'll ask them if that's  their flight or if 
they want a 'do over'.  Either way they are  rewarded with a max score 
for being so aggressive on the launch. If they  land off the field 
we'll give them the max landing score for trying so  hard.  On the 
field landing and they get a max score for their great  skill.

Should anyone crash they would immediately be awarded a max  score for 
heroism and almost saving their plane and a new-in-box  replacement 
for their broken airplane. After the predetermined number of  rounds 
selected to make sure that no one gets too tired during the day  we'll 
give everyone a small trophy and take a group picture to  
celebrate.  Then everyone gets a nice box of juice and candy or  
cookie snack before they head home.   All butterflies and warm  milk 
thoughts will fill their heads as the drive that long highway  home.

Anything less than this and the contest is obviously unfair, poor  
sportsmanship or cheating.  The argument is  over.

Cheers
Rick

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At 10:52 PM 1/9/2008, Tim  Bennett wrote:


>Jim Bacus wrote:
> >
> >  "Shafting" the other fellow competitors by completing the task
> >  time?  "Unethical?"  ;-)
> >
> > I see it as  maximizing my available flying time during a contest
> > event, and  playing by the rules of the contest attempting to
> > maximize my  score.
>
>
>Jim makes a valid point while at the same time  highlighting one of the
>weaknesses of seeded MOM as currently  practiced. The format creates a
>structure that encourages or even  requires what would seem to some as
>unsportsmanlike behavior which  belittles and demeans the unsuccessful
>competitor. The rules encourage  exploiting any opportunity to "bury" someone
>who has a bad flight by  putting on a show of being the only one flying for
>as long as possible  while everyone stands and watches. This kind of
>structure is  unnecessary and disproportionately rewards the single episode
>of good  luck or heroic effort as opposed to consistent superior  performance
>round after round. There can be no greater turn off in  competition than
>being shafted or buried. While it may be fun for one  guy, it is at the
>expense of everyone else. If playing by the rules  makes the competition a
>turnoff to many, maybe better rules can correct  this. This is an issue of
>the design of the contest format which my  earlier idea seeks to address.
>
>By assigning scores that are  limited on the low side, a competitor is not
>able to lose or win the  whole contest in one round and there is no need nor
>opportunity to bury  or shaft anybody. I think this is a better way to
>structure a contest  if you want to insure all competitors have a good time
>and encourage  participation while not artificially limiting the performance
>of any  competitor.
>
>I guess a key objective I left out  was:
>
>"Respect for the dignity of all  participants."
>
>I also think "...maximizing available flying  time during a contest..." is
>better done by increasing the pace of the  event so more rounds can be flown.
>
>Tim Bennett
>LSF  IV
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Re: [RCSE] "Jack Benny is 39 and 2.4 is 38?"

[LJolly]

 
Guys,
I don't know what is more scary.. The Mysterious Pilot # 41 waiting to  shoot 
me down out there. Or the Fact that Gordy has now become the expert on 2.4  
Mgz Integration. I love Gordy as much as the rest of you but remember when We  
took Aero 101 From the Stahl Master. I took all the rudders off my  airplanes 
because they didn't need them. The fact of the matter is this is an  over 
simplified view of the 2.4 question. I jumped to 2.4 in September, that is  all 
I 
fly now. Once you fly 2.4 and find that you have no Electric Glitches from  
your ESC, The controls are quicker, and you can fly when you want where you 
want 
 you won't go back. All my 72 Mhz stuff is for Sale. In fact I am inviting  
all you 72 Die Hards to come check out My Airtronics Going Out of Business sale 
 at Phoenix. Everything is available. See you there Larry

Number of systems that can be in use  simultaneously   
Spectrum  Airtronics   Futaba  Xtreme
 39   38  (?)?  120
 

Got these from the XtremePowerSystems site (letting the Christmas  turkey 
settle to make room for pie and this was something I had been thinking  about 
for 
awhile, so decided to do a little Googling).
 
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the general modeler believed that  
with 2.4 all concerns for freq control were overMillions could all be on  
at 
once...there was the story about the huge heli event with hundreds of  
attendees most enjoying the freedom of 2.4hmmmn.
 
Did you all believe that the amount of 2.4 TXs on at once was almost  
unlimited?
 
Here's another wrench in the freq paradise workswhat about a mix of  
brands and systems?  Some using two channels at once, some hopping  around.
 
Regardless of the information encoding, radio waves are still radio  waves, 
and can be shaded, mixed and diluted.
 
How do you control 100+ contestants 2.4 TX's when there isn't any channel  
assignments?  Impound every TX and only let up to 39 of one brand at a  time?  
>From 50 channels controlled to 38 hopefully safe?
 
Just wondering, if anyone else is wondering...oh yeah Merry  Chrismas!
 
I got my new AMA card...you?
 
Gordy



 

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[RCSE] New Horizon Eflite Blade 400

[LJolly]

Guys, Forgive the Bandwidth intrusion but I know that some of you are  
interested in Rc Helicopters. About 20 minutes ago I heard the FedEx truck  
Backing 
up the driveway. There was a box waiting and I knew instantly it was my  long 
awaited Blade 400. I opened the box in the drive way and pulled out a fully  
ready to Fly 3D RC Electric Helicopter. I grabbed the new DX6I manual to see  
where the flight mode switch, and Throttle hold switches were, kind of a safety 
 deal for Helicopters, keeps em from Jumpin up and Biting you before you get 
to  know them. I put the 4 AA cells in the Tx and fired it up. Sure enough 
there was  a Blade 400 Model memory already installed. I then put the 3S 1800 
LiPo pack  into place on the Helicopter. I had the Throttle hold activated so I 
could check  control throws, pitch range and Gyro direction.So I looked around, 
no kids or  dogs, I lowered the throttle stick and clicked off the throttle 
hold. I slowly  brought the R's up watching the machine to make sure everything 
was stuck on  tight and everything was in balance. The Blade features a super 
nice soft start  ESC, at half throttle the Blade was in the Hover. What a 
cool helicopter  the head tracked, and the gyro sensitivity was acceptable. I 
took it up did some  flybys back in to the hover it was pirouetting around me 
like We were long time  friends. So I landed it, took the battery off the 
vehicle 
to charge, and came in  here to tell you about it. It is impressive that the 
Eflite gang can send out a  totally set up Helicopter ready to fly out of the 
Box. With so many  potential problems in setting up a machine this complex, 
this has to be heralded  as quite an achievement.  By the way this is a real 
fly 
in the wind sport  machine. Mine winds a little higher that I would expect on 
approach but what the  heck, I will now read the Manual and figure out how to 
adjust the throttle curve  on the low end. Its even sweeter that this guy is 
on 2.4, and it looks like the  Dx6 I has 10 model memories with Airplane and 
Helicopter basic software. So get  some stick time on one of the coaxial indoor 
Helis like the Blade CX, and then  get ready to move up. Darwin you need one 
of these!! Just wanted to share  this... Merry Christmas to you...and 
Merry Christmas to me, I know  what I am going to be doing. Larry Jolly



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Robert, Neither of your installations are optimal.
 In the Organic you are still dealing with the Kevlar Carbon Weave of  the 
main Fuselage. The 6200 is a great little Rx I have been flying the  daylights 
out of them.In the Organic try getting the Main Rx away from the  Battery and 
mount it down so the you have maximum exposure through the  cutout on the 
bottom of the nose. Get a longer extension that will allow you to  place the 
remote 
up in the wing. You can break the lead with a Deans 3 Pin  Connector at the 
same place you have your wing harness connector. Put the Remote  aft in the 
Oracover section of the wing.  See if this helps out. With the  Taboo the 
whiskers is the only way unless you put the RX in the wing in the  Kevlar 
portion and 
run all you servos through a connector. 
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[RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament

[LJolly]

 
JoJo,
 My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But,  before 
you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September  for 
the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way  home, come 
hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to you  and Fred, 
Hilsen Larry

Wow stop  the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If I 
go  straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
This year the schedule  is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
And finally I am on the  same frequencies

Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
---that contributed  to Ben un--subscribing
Gamleveien
2910 Aurdal
Norway
mob +47  90898709
www.jojoen.no
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007  16:00:30 -0600
From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  "Bill's Email"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Subject: RE: [RCSE]  2008 Nats Schedule
Message-ID:  
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Again  this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit
I ain't  gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
best flyers  are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
Championship  unless it's on the west coast.

Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the  Nat's...

Please disregard my previous statement.
JD  

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Re: [RCSE] Re: HKM's High End"

[LJolly]

 
Doug,
 The Europeans don't want to fly ICONS.
The High End is the work of my friend Dieter Perlick a great Designer,  
Builder, and a nice guy. LJ


HKM  High End  finally the Europeans can fly an ICON and not have to give 
 credit to Joe Wurts.

Doug Barry
Richmond VA




At  01:21 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote:

_http://www.hkm-models.com/High%20End.htm_ 
(http://www.hkm-models.com/High%20End.htm) 

Take  a few minutes to read the thought process behind this ships 
development, it  will give you a lot of insight into the process of investing 
the time 
and  money it takes to create a mold.  Thousands of bucks for the mold and a  
lot of machine work and hand polishing, so not something to decide on  casually.

Gordy
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[RCSE] Multiple Stylus Trannies for sale

[LJolly]

My friend Smokin Joe says I like my Stylus Trannies to much, so here  goes
For $250.00 you get a Stylus Tranny with Glider card and Tx Battery 
Let me know if you want one.  I know the 2.4 8000 is on the way but it  won't 
do what a Stylus will.
Also available Multiple Stylus Tranny Modules..
Its all going so let me know if you still fly the A brand. 
Best Regards
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Guys I have a Stylus Tx with Glider Card for $300.00.
Multiple Blue Cubes $45.00 each.
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[RCSE] New LSF Thread Level 6

[LJolly]

I read Skip's, response last night and it occurred to me that with as many 
Level 5's as there are now, Skip has a valid point about initiating a Level 
6.
I have to admit that I am not much interested in the thread that has 
been being passed around on this forum the last week. Either you get it or you 
don't, the LSF program is a personal achievement program that was designed to 
enable the aspirant to gain as much experience as possible in all phases of RC 
Soaring including competition, with other like minded pilots. The 
program has stood the test of time, and requires commitment and dedication 
to achieve the highest coveted levels. The wisdom of the founders of 
the achievement program has proven that even with the performance 
available in modern gliders, the program is still challenging, and the pilot 
will gain much knowledge and piloting expertise as he climbs the ladder of 
achievements. Level 5 is not designed to be easy, and is not a goal that 
everyone will achieve. All arguments about the program being impossible and 
extraordinarily hard are B.S.. It wasn't to hard for John Ericson who just 
finished his level 5. So if you have decided that you don't have what it 
takes to be a Level 4 or 5. You just can't invest the time, and in the end 
it just is not something that you really want to do. Then admit it and go 
on. Changing a valid program to match your circumstances just isn't realistic or 
fair to those that have finished the program before you.
How ever, with that said, several Level 5's have discussed the 
possibilities of higher Levels in the past. Personally I have mixed 
feelings about adding another level, as many Level 5's are not available to 
compete in a modified program. A common occurrence is that Level 5's stay 
focused for several years climbing the LSF ladder and then when they get level 
5, they are frustrated that that is all there is. Some have gone on and repeated 
the Level 5 tasks several times. If there were a Level 6, several of 
our LSF leaders would show renewed interest in LSF and the achievement 
program. These persons would, and could act as valuable mentors for other LSF 
achievers working on the lower levels. Leadership comes from the top, If the LSF 
can find a way to interest it's highest achievers in a new level, it might just 
be the ticket to reinvigorate the whole program.  Larry Jolly LSF 
3579

Re: [RCSE] Re: Masters

[ljolly]

Mike, I don't know if you ever saw Mark fly at the Anaheim Trade Shows. I was in High School at the time, and can remember Mark ending his Windfree Demo by diving at high speed, at a spot 4 feet in front of him. When the impact with his knees looked imminent, Mark would pull the Windfree in to a graceful loop and and finish by catching the model at waist height. I watched as many shows as I could, and can remember Mark closing the gap to where the aiming point moved to very nearly the tows of his sneakers. He would pull up in to a loop  and lean back, one handing the Orbit tranny to his right side. One mistake and a certain trip to the reconstructive dentist would be a certainty. Mark is clever, with a wide range of interests. You don't have to chat with him long to realize that Mark is a guy that can really put Toy airplanes in to perspective. Thanks for talking him in to the Muncie Deal, I doubt We will get much sleep. Larry  Working in Albuquerque this week, having dinner with Taylor Collins.


 
 
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That's what I'm talking about.  any other memories out there.  Mark did comment to me something like "damn, I guess it's gone full circle.  I was one of the kids back then, now I'm an old fart"  Of course I reassured him that it was ok, since there are going to be a lot of old farts out there ;-) BTW, does 42 count as old?  I am sure I could be considered by some to be a fart :-)


 


Mike (wps) Smith, excuse me!



 Original Message 
Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters
From: David Register 
Date: Thu, September 07, 2006 1:34 pm
To: Soaring@airage.com

**
that I am not the only Smith on the Roster? Hope you guys remember 
Mark Smith. Mark's Models & Dynaflight, previous National Champ, LSF No. 
19.??? Ringing any bells out there? I am sure it is.
**

Also developer of the 'kiss and click' spot landing. Back some 35 or so 
years ago when he was flying the Windfree in SoCal he worked out a way 
to get time and spots at landing. Grease that little beauty in a foot or 
so off the deck and at the exact time, kiss the nose off the grass (or 
dirt, or whatever), then bounce it back into the air and fly it into a 
perfect spot without having to worry about the time. No skids, skegs or 
anything. Just amazing coordination, timing and skill. First time I saw 
that maneuver I recall a bunch of guys all gaping and muttering 'did you 
see that...???'.

Awesome list for Masters. Hope you guys have a great time.






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Re: [RCSE] Masters Pilot Roster Update - Did you notice...???

[ljolly]

Yep, my buddy Mark, the one who taught me how to fly when I was 12. LJ 


 
 
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Awesome.   The Famous Mark Smith.


At 10:56 AM 9/7/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


that I am not the only Smith on the Roster?  Hope you guys remember Mark Smith.  Mark's Models & Dynaflight, previous National Champ, LSF No. 19.??? Ringing any bells out there?  I am sure it is.
 
You will recognize him by his right arm.  It is in a sling due to all of the arm twisting inflicted by ME :-)
 
This is going to be a very fun event.  I am looking forward to seeing everybody again, and coming out to fly in Muncie for the 3rd time this year.  I really do love that field.
 
See you all in a couple weeks.
 
Mike



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Subject: [RCSE] Masters Pilot Roster Update

From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Wed, September 06, 2006 11:36 pm

To: soaring@airage.com


The Pilot roster was updated on the Soaring Masters website:

http://www.worldsoaringmasters.com/blog/general/PilotRoster2006.html 


This is looking like a strong contest!



Jim

Downers Grove, IL

Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR

AMA 592537    LSF 7560 Level IV   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net 




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[RCSE] Carbon Supra

[LJolly]

JT now owns a Carbon Supra. Thanks Guys, he is going to be tough in light 
lift. Regards Larry

[RCSE] Carbon Supra for Sale

[LJolly]

I have a brand new unbuilt Carbon Supra for sale. The model is number 89 
and has the wing bolt fix. The model has a crimson red top and pod, with blaster 
blue bottoms. I want $1400.00 plus shipping for the model, this is a chance to 
get a great flying model with no waiting. Thanks Larry 
Jolly

Re: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters....

[ljolly]

You guys are barking up the wrong tree. Don't waste your money sending it to Steve. Jimbo just bought a new house...Send your money to him. He can be counted on to be era reasonable.. But, just in case make sure you put TEAM JR  prominently on the envelope. Larry  -Original Message-From: Bill's Email To: soaring@airage.comSent: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:22:48 -0700Subject: Re: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters


It could be construed that this is intended to reduce the number of West Cost entries.  Interesting.  Why not just use post mark date and eliminate the who lives closest to Jim factor??  I have already heard through the grapevine that Red shirts will get preference over say, Orange and Black, but this zip code thing is going too far!!! :~}   RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format 

Re: [RCSE] Supra #42

[ljolly]

Gordy,
 Are you trying to set something up so guys will bail off the waiting list for the Supra, and you will then get yours sooner? What a schemer!  By the way Arend told me he thought my Supra was "Nose Heavy"., Browning almost keeled over , he has flown it too! Best Regards Larry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: soaring@airage.comSent: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:06:17 ESTSubject: [RCSE] Supra #42



If this is an isolated problem then it appears to me that Vladmir should step up with a replacement fuse for Don.  It's really tough to tell a whole lot from pictures, but it does not look like this one was very well bonded and could have just been a fluke.
 
Hi guys!
I've passed your feelings along to Vladimir, pretty sure he was wondering what you thought he should do (you know the right thing), but I'm not sure that 'step up' translates into Ukraine.  I have his address in case you are forming up a lynch mob. :-)Funny Vlad went from a hero to a bum in less than 24 hours and he don't even know it :-)
 
Last I read, Don Richmond asked for ideas on how to fix his fuse, not suggestions about what to tell Vladimirbut now he has some thoughts on that idea too:-)
 
Here's Vladimir's address if you have some suggestions or ideas on how to change the fuse, the mold the layup or the resin, likely he would be happy to hear them. :-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tell him I sent you :-)
In the mean time what you are flying this season ?
GordyGiant, Superior, Sharon, and yep carbon Supras :-)
oops sounds pretty Perfect too :-)
 
 

Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem

[LJolly]

Don,
 Clean up the cured epoxy around the edges with some 80 grit. 
Make sure you get everything shiny keyed and scuffed. Remove the wire harness. 
Procure some small carbon fiber sock material 1/4" diameter should be good. Cut 
a length that will fit the perimeter of the wing hold down about a 1/4 "from the 
edge. Make up some slow cure epoxy and some fairly thick slurry with cotton 
flocking. Wet the tube out on plastic and lay it in place on the pod side of the 
wing mount. Using the tube as a dam apply a seam of flocking around the edge of 
the mount. Use some of the epoxy to wet the top cap where it will touch the 
flocking and the tube. If there is any place that the bolt hold downs can touch 
the pod sides apply a coat of cotton flocking slurry. Push the top plate into 
posiiton and if it goes down all the way tape the edge with packing tape. If it 
will not go down rearrange the sock by pushing it towards the center of the 
mount. Now turn the fuselage upside down and clean the excess epoxy off the 
exterior of the fuse pod. Keep the fuselage upside down over night. That should 
do the trick. Best Regards Larry

Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?

[ljolly]

Many Thanks to all My friends at CASL for a great contest!
 
The plane I flew in RES is Hobby Clubs Danny Design. It is a fine model and flies very well, I do recommend this model to any one wanting to try this type of model.  As for the Supra observations I had both my standard model 64 ounces and my all carbon 68 ounces at the contest. The models launch and fly very well, and will be part of my quiver for the foreseeable future.  At no time was I in any danger of not making my time.I am embarrassed to tell you that I missed 3 landings that should have been 25's, for some reason I was having trouble keeping the model between the lanes on landing. You can bet that I will get  out and fine tune the landing mode and get these landings down for the next step in the triad. Thanks to all for a great weekend and thanks for putting up with Bear Too's first public outing.  ManyThanks to Airtronics,Alberto, and Barry for helping me . My Best Regards Larry Jolly -Original Message-From: Lex Mierop To: 'Marta Zavala' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Daryl Perkins ; Soaring@airage.comSent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:47:23 -0800Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?


Mike Regan flew a Supra in Open and the Ava in RES.

His RES score was 10 points higher, but he's been flying the Ava for a loong
time

-l

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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:28 AM
To: Daryl Perkins; Soaring@airage.com
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Planes?


Looking at total scores, looks like three RES planes - what ever LJ flew and

two AVAs where in the top ten scores- 3/4/6 best total scores.
Three RES birds out of the top ten and at roughly 1/2 the cost, when you 
factor in servo costs, than say a Supra. Not too shabby.
Walter
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To: 
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Planes?


> Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure
> about. If you know... please finish up the list...
>
> 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7
> 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra
> 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ???
> 4 Nutter Dale 2468 ???
> 5 Verzuh Mike 2467 ???
> 6 Kornberg Dave 2467 Not sure (Icon?)
> 7 George Steve 2463 ???
> 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon
> 9 Reagan Mike 2457 ???
> 10 Jennings Gordon 2456 Icon
>
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[RCSE] Sharon 3.7 NIB for Sale

[LJolly]

Guys,
 I have a brand new Sharon 3.7 latest version, with big stab, and Max 
dihedral joiners for sale.
The model is medium blue on top, red on bottom, large red stripes on wing 
and stabs.
Asking $1100.00, can deliver to Phoenix. Un-built still wrapped in 
plastic.  thanks Larry Jolly

Re: [RCSE] "Supra's -- contests in choas!"

[LJolly]

This is all very interesting but isn't January usually bash Sal month? Or 
is  it how much dihedral for my Skeeter? I'll be glad when the weather gets 
warm enough for you guys to go fly. Remember April is Bash Barry month! Best 
Regards Larry 

Re: [RCSE] Supras done

[LJolly]

Walter,
 I flew Tom Kieslings Bagged F3J version over at Istanbul. 
While I think one flight is to limited to draw conclusions, I can comment 
that both models have similar characteristics. One thing that is obvious to me 
is that I cannot build a wing as accurate as the ones that come from Barry. 
I have had a lot of experience flying bagged Xp4's and Blasters, and I can tell 
you that there is a great difference between a bagged Drela section and a molded 
one. My Supra at 64 ounces does not leave me wishing it were 55 ounces. If you 
like to build, then bag one. If it were up to me I would work the hours instead 
of bagging it, and use that cash to buy one out of a 
mold. Regardless I think you will be satisfied from the performance of 
either version. Bur then my Grandma always thought her pies baked at home, 
tasted better than store bought ones! Best Regards 
Larry

Re: [RCSE] Supras done

[LJolly]

Tom,
 I agree with your comments on the Supras flying qualities. While no 
airplane is a Silver Bullet, this one is better than anything I have flown 
before. It reads air unbelievably well, has long legs, good float, and launches, 
and lands well. The Supra accelerates effortlessly from float to 
cruise. I really like this because my main interest is F3J and 
this acceleration will translate to quicker launches. For the top flyers 
like Kiesling and Perkins they probably won't see much more out of this model 
than what they get from what they are flying right now. But the rest of us are 
going to have an easier go with this airplane. I think it will have wide appeal 
and with good reason it is really a fine model. By the way did you talk Skip in 
to flying it yet? I told him to order two, the day I test flew mine. 
Good luck with it, and let's not land out after this discussion :-)   
Larry

Re: [RCSE] Supras done

[LJolly]

Daryl.
 I've got 5 plus hours on the Supra and like the set-up at 3.8". The 
model rotates and pulls fine even on a low to medium tension launch. The tow 
hook is real grippy and I have no problem circle towing it on my Hi Start. I 
think that is with out a flat filed on the hook. The model can take a hard 
launch, I chatted with Arend Borst who is towing the #$%@ out of it on mono, in 
the wind. He told me he got some pretty good flex but was really impressed with 
the ping and zoom. Guys just put it together and fly it.If you want it really 
stable put the Big joiners in it, most of you will fly with 2.5 degree joiners 
for the feel of the model. The model is so stable I can't beleive that we are 
talking about launching this thing , itwill not snap or 
biteRegards 
Larry

Re: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio

[LJolly]

In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
P.S. 
  Gordy would be great if he would agree. Wouldn't it be wonderful if 
  JWwould fly a self-built wood wing and take both top prizes? Now that 
  would bea real Soaring Master feat."Carpe 
Diem".John

John,
 If you are going to Dream, Dream BIG !!!
 
Maybe you can get him to Fly Houdini Style Too !
 Handcuffed in a Bag!!
 That outa even the playing field :-)
 
Happy New Years Guys   I need to start Building my Woodie Supra 
Here. LJ

Re: [RCSE] "I got a Kennedy Composites Supra on order...you?"

[LJolly]

Thats not the only list you are on Gordy :-) LJ

[RCSE] The Moulded Supra Fly's

[LJolly]

Hey guys, just wanted to drop you a note and let you know I have about an 
hour and a half on the Supra. All launches were by hand or short start. The wind 
was 10 to 15 MPH with average convection, it is still a little wet after 
our 3 days of rain. I outfitted the model with 6-Airtronics 761 digitals and a 
1650 NiMH pack. The model took 2 ounces in the nose and weighs 63 ounces. I put 
the CG where DR Drela suggested and the stab at 0 degrees to the tailboom. I 
used the large angle dihedral joiners.  I have the mixing and comps at 
about 95 percent of where I will end up with them, just a little fine tuning 
left now. All I can say is WOW this is going to be a popular model. Mark and Tom 
already know this, but the Supra climbs like a model that is much lighter than 
it is, and it covers ground like a model that is much heavier. I can only 
imagine what Mark Drelas model must crawl like at 40 ounces, but this is just 
about the best performing model I have flown. The model is very pilot 
friendly, I would put it in the benign category for handling, and at the same 
time will go where you point it. The models sleek aerodynamics allow it to turn 
at high angles of attack, without apparent tip losses. You know those low level 
puffs that would save you if you could just stay in them.,well the Supra can 
ride this ridiculous kind of lift. I will be out at El Dorados field on Sunday 
morning about 10:00 AM if you want to get some stick time on this new glider. 
Gordy, I expect that you will fly out to Long Beach to fly with us. I 
want to thank Mark Drela for his efforts in designing such a great 
performing sailplane, and Vladimir and Barry for making this model available to 
the rest of us. Best Regards Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Sharon 3.7 for Sale

[LJolly]

I have a Sharon 3.7 meter Xtail Pro for Sale. The model is nearly new 
White on Top Red on Bottom with Red stripes for trim. The model has the 
increased dihedral joiners, and is equipped with 6- JR 368's and a 2700ma NiMh 
battery pack. The model has not been damaged or dinged. The reason it is for 
sale is my new Sharon has arrived and I just can't substantiate having 2. I am 
asking $1400.00 for the model just plug in your RX and fly. Contact me off the 
list or call my cell 714-675 -8787. Thanks for the Interest Larry 
Jolly

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

[LJolly]

Martin,
 I am surprised at your take on Daryl's positing. I can assure you 
that a collision between a model and man carrying air vehicle could have dire 
consequences for both pilots.  RC flying exists only because our 
organization has succeeded in convincing the FAA that we are all reasonable 
people that would never knowingly pose a danger to aerial navigation. We must 
all conduct our flying activities so that we can never cause a collision or near 
miss with a full size aircraft. I have to assume that you are not a pilot, if 
you had flight experience you would realize how hard it is to see a model while 
you are on approach. Because of ground clutter and probably afternoon glare it 
is nearly impossible to see a model flying near you. Because of this 
disadvantage for the full-size pilot, the model flyer must always 
immediately maneuver a model away from the flight path of a full-size 
vehicle. Being on the ground you have a much better view of what is going on 
than the poor guy making his approach. I hope all model flyers take this 
obligation seriously. I wouldn't want to be the guy who ended RC flying in the 
US, while at the same time killing some poor guy and his family just trying to 
get home. As for Daryl overreacting, having the shit scared out of you will do 
that to you. Please fly safely, and think about that guy that cant see 
you. Larry Jolly

Re: [RCSE] Long music wire????

[LJolly]

Shawn,
 I think I still have some 48" 1/16th wire how much do you need? 
Larry

[RCSE] Shipping Models to AMA Headquarters.

[LJolly]

I am shipping some of my models to the Nats. Has any one got the 
information on sending models directly to AMA headquarters. Thanks 
Larry

[RCSE] Information on Marks Service

[LJolly]

From Cindy 
Brickner Caracole Soaring
 
Friends:
 
This has been 
a torturous week for us.
 
Mark Navarre 
went soaring with several friends on Sunday, July 3, and discontinued 
his
position 
reporting shortly after 3 pm.  It was a normal, nice summer afternoon on 
the Sierras,
working 
altitudes of 14 ~ 15,000 msl were possible.  The other pilots returned home 
to California City
by 6 pm, and 
no one had heard from Mark.  We tried radio relays on 123.3 and 123.5 from 
ATC
asking pilots 
to call down while transitioning.  No answer was 
received.
 
From Cal 
City, three pilots departed in a Mooney to the area to give Mark a 
chance to signal to their
overflight.  Based on our phone request, the 
Pawnee from Santa Ynez, based at Bishop that weekend 
also searched 
for the hour before dark.   Inyo County Search and 
Rescue was
notified 
about 8:30 pm, and they prepared to start searching early 
Monday.
 
Monday 
morning three aircraft flown by glider pilots  (Pawnee, Mooney, Bonanza) 
and a Taifun
motorglider 
searched the area  between Onion Valley and Coyote Flats, before 
Inyo S & R 
required them to clear some airspace while the CHP 
helicopter worked.  Sheriff's personnel
found the 
wreckage and confirmed Mark's passage at approximately 1 pm.  The fact that 
Mark gave
regular 
position reports, and was seen by a southbound pilot, limited the search area to 
be pertinent.
No matter the 
speed of the response, Mark was lost immediately.
 
The glider 
impacted steep terrain at 11,700 msl, south west of Coyote Flats.  We have 
no access
to any flight 
recorder data, so it is impossible to conjecture what may have happened.  
If data
becomes 
available later, we will attempt to pass useful knowledge to soaring 
pilots.  There was
no unusual 
weather, it was CAVU with scattered cu at ~ 15,500 over the middle Sierra.  
We still do not
have access 
to the exact crash coordinates, so speculation is pointless.  The 
approximate site was
later 
overflown for two hours by us, without locating the glider against snow covered 
background.
 
The only 
pertinent comment that can be made at this time is for soaring pilots to provide 
more
separation 
between themselves and terrain in all conditions, acknowledge incremental 
development of skills
and respect 
personal limitations.
 
The family 
eagerly wishes the attendance of flying friends at Mark's service, and a family 
gathering to follow.
 
 
Services are 
set for 
 
Saturday,    July 9,    
10:00 a.m.
The San 
Antonio Catholic Church at 
5800 E. Santa 
Ana Canyon Road, Anaheim, CA 92807
 
In lieu of 
flowers, donations should be made in Mark's memory to
SSA - Youth 
Soaring Flight Scholarships    or    Soaring 
Safety Education.
PO Box 2100, 
Hobbs, NM 88241.
 

[RCSE] Mark Navarre

[LJolly]

I have known Mark for several years, and have seen him more often in 
the last few years as we both flew out of Cal City. Mark flew his ASW  20 
OD, hard and fast, and I often followed his pace as he called in position 
reports on the radio, as he raced up and down the Sierra Range. I don't know all 
the circumstances of his accident, but know that the Caracole group would have 
done everything possible to help him when he failed to make it back to the 
field. I will miss his words and his thoughts on this sport that was such a 
big part of him. Mark will be missed, he was a good guy, he was a good 
stick, he was my friend. Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Looking for a 4th for F3J at the Nats

[LJolly]

Our Team foe the Nats Craig Greening, Joe Newcombe, and my self, seem to 
have lost our 4th team member for the Nats. If there is someone looking for a 
Team to fly F3J with at the Nats ? Please contact me off line. Thanks Larry 
Jolly

Re: [RCSE] Misty Meadows Soaring Classic, Solon, IA

[ljolly]

Steve,
 Saturday is Prom Night. Best Regards Larry  -Original Message-From: Steve Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Soaring@airage.comSent: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:14:59 -0500Subject: [RCSE] Misty Meadows Soaring Classic, Solon, IA


Any Eastern Iowa Soaring Society listening...What's the deal in Iowa City this coming weekend.  Having a difficult time finding available rooms.Graduation? or the contest that popular. :-)Steve MeyerSOARLSF IV

Re: [RCSE] Starlight 3000

[LJolly]

Guys,
 The Starlight 3000 is an excellent model either in the Xtail or Vtail 
configuration. I will be finishing up a website in the next couple of weeks on 
the Starlight. Karel Koudelka is a friend of mine and has asked that I mange his 
models here in the US. If you are interested in a Starlight please let me know 
and We can make arrangements to get you on the list for the first shipment. 
Thanks Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Email info for Buzz Averill and Bob Edson

[LJolly]

I need to send an Email to each of these guys. Can anyone help? thanks Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Polling at USA FAI Soaring Group

[LJolly]

Guys if you haven't checked in for a while there is an important poll going on over at the Yahoo USA FAI Soaring groups. It is dated 4-11 and is pertinent to the F3J finals. Please let your desires be known. Thanks Larry Jolly

Re: [RCSE] "Its not too late to donate to the Bring JoJo to the NATS fund!"

[LJolly]

Gordy,
 I have an additional $100.00 donated by Jerry Millet from EDSF. Jery 
is a great soaring supporter and a good friend. Best Regards 
Larry

[RCSE] F3J Guys Vote No on TS Rules Ballot

[LJolly]

Gentlemen,
 It has come to my attention that the AMA is sending a ballot to past team participants to vote on the new F3J Team Selection Program Rules. I am asking all interested participants to consider the following points and Vote NO on the proposal as presented. As many of you know the TSC has modified the rules that we have flown the last 2 cycles, to redefine the   "team protection" clause. In an effort to get everyone to fly against everyone, they have determined that the maximum team size should be 6. I am lobbying to get this number changed to 8. It is my belief that going to a maximum team size of 8 will allow teams traveling from around the country to fly in the Team Finals, without the need to come up with designated towers. I think that this extremely important as this is the avenue that most people favor to get in to the program. If we stay with the 6 man team with 2 people flying in a heat, you will need to have available 2 extra people who are non fliers to act as designated towers. I think that it would be beneficial for the program to turn these extra people in to participants. We will still all fly against each other, teams traveling to the finals will not have to look for locals to tow for the day, It will be easier from a logistics view for the contest organizers, Two teams of 4 can form an alliance in to a team of 8. It will prove to be a fairer way to proceed. Let's make sure that we pick this team in the air, not the guys that are lucky enough to get a launch at the horn in every slot. Please vote NO and pen in, change the team from 6 to 8. If you don't get a letter, please contact Lisa Johnson in Competitions at the AMA Headquarters. Thank you Larry Jolly

[RCSE] David Hobby

[LJolly]

If any of my Aussie friends have talked to David this week, please have him call me I need to speak to him. Thanks Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Looking for Jim Porter

[LJolly]

Jim,
 I have a message from Karel Koudelka for you. Please contact me Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Chris Seaton

[LJolly]

I am looking to contact Mr. Chris Seaton If someone out there knows him, please help me with an email address or other contact information. thanks Larry

[RCSE] NYX Stab

[LJolly]

I know this is a long shot but wanted to take a chance and ask if anyone has a 
spare Stab for a NYX F3J model. My model is Yellow on top Blue on bottom. I am 
looking for an as new stab, if you have one let me know. Thanks Larry Jolly
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Re: [RCSE] I saw the perfect thermal today

[LJolly]

Tom,
 It was pretty much like that all afternoon up and down the California Coast as the day dried up behind the cold front the convection went nuts. nice day Larry

Re: [RCSE] Re: Mirage

[LJolly]

Dave,
 You remember the event correctly but not the pilot. That was none other than my old buddy Bob Gerbin. You may remember Bob for the picture in Model Builder with the double size scale and Windfree he built with it. Bob learned the tough way about keying a pre molded surface before bonding. That whole right wing just kind of peeled off and left those two spars sticking out in space I can still see that transparent yellow wing turning and twisting in that thermal as it disappeared over the hill at SULA. If I recall correctly that was the same contest that Terry Koplan asked for a reflight because the winch which had one of those resistors on the bottom, I think it was HiFlight, set the grass under it on fire during his launch. I remember flying Blaine's prototype down at the Blimp station. He told me to have fun with it, it will do 60 but 70 is probably to much. Kind of like walking your best friends girlfriend home, you definitely watch how far you push it. I flew a Mirage and found it a nice lightweight airplane. I used to latch the towhook on some light weight mono and walked backward letting the line off the reel while I flew it in figure 8's I had a good time sitting in the grass winding that Mirage up like they do with stunt kites now. It was and is a nice model. You guys flying the light weights might want to take up some tap dancing or blues tapping to get that rhythm down for winch pulsing. Happy Holidays Larry

[RCSE] David Hobby F3J Champion

[LJolly]

Just got big news Dave Hobby 2004 F3J World Champion is taking time out of his Holiday Travel back to Australia to come fly the SWSA Monthly tomorrow. Dave is a real good guy and we look forward to hosting him in California  during his visit. regards Larry

Re: [RCSE] New Airtronics Digital Wing Servo Starlight 3000

[LJolly]

 I didn't consider the lugs on the servo, being a Barbarian I epoxied mine in. On the brighter side I am real impressed with the Starlight 3000 Xtail. This model is reminiscent of a Zenith sporting an MH32. The model seems to out hang my Erasers and could be a very popular model in the US. I will post a review on it on my website over the holidays. regards Larry

[RCSE] New Airtronics Digital Wing Servo

[LJolly]

I thought I would give you guys a heads up, the new Digital Wing Servo from Airtronics is now a reality.  Sanwa was a little slow to realize the need for a competitive wing servo. JR , Futaba, and Volz all have top of the line wing servos, my favorite is the JR DS 368. I got 4 of the new servos to test, and have them installed in my Starlight 3000 Xtail. The servo is about the same size as the DS368, just a little thinner, and features case lugs for either top or side mounting. Torque specs and holding power are equivalent to the DS368. The servo has a very nice feel to it with no servo arm rock and a good gear mesh with minimal play. So far speed and centering are very good, I  plan on  thorough testing with this model and will get back to you on how they hold up. The servo will be available in early 2005 with a street price around $53.00. Best regards and Happy Holidays to my Soaring Buds around the World  Larry Jolly   I included a pictures at my web site:

http://www.ljmp.com/servo/Servo1.jpg

http://www.ljmp.com/servo/Servo2.jpg

[RCSE] Nyx for sale Any one interested??

[LJolly]

I have an F3J D Tube NYX   Yellow on Top Blue on Bottom Red Accents that I would like to sell. The model has about 25 flights, and has never been damaged. The model is assembled with 6 - JR 368 Digital servos and comes with ballast bar. I am asking $1150.00 and hope that someone is in need of a nice F3J- TD model.. Thank you Larry Jolly  714-675-8787 

Re: [RCSE] Berg Antenna?

[LJolly]

Cool Jim,
We have been tearing up the skies out here with the Alpha Foamies. I put the antenna on my Xp# and specked it. I flew it at Poway with no hits or problems. I did no scientific measuring on performance. I only flew it on the Berg RX so this could be a point of concern. If you try it fly it by yourself first then move onto flying around other Tx's. Best Regards Larry

Re: [RCSE] Berg Antenna?

[LJolly]

Dave,
 I tested this antenna last year and found it to work very well. I had the same range as the stock antenna. Be sure to tape the junction of antenna to copper strip to help relieve stress at this point, I did have one fracture at this junction. By the way have been having great success with the new little Berg 4 channel Rx . Best Regards Larry Jolly

Re: [RCSE] F3J in Turkey - More info...

[LJolly]

Just got back early this morning. I want to congratulate the Turkish AeroClub for 
raising the bar in contest organization. This was undoubtedly the finest Competition 
that I have ever attended. For those of you who do not have any knowledge of Turkey it 
is a modern European Country and a staunch ally of the USA. All Competitors were very 
friendly with camaraderie, good sportsmanship and large quantities of Alcohol made for 
a week long party.  There will be more details later but I can give you some 
information now. Fist this is an invitational meet, this was the 3rd annual contest 
and the first for American attendance. This year they invited 100 contestants with 4 
Americans Jim McCarthy, Skip Miller, Joe Wurts, and myself. The contest was Friday and 
Saturday with one of the Fly off rounds Sunday morning. We flew 6 preliminary rounds 
with one throw out.After 5 Joe was first with 4998.7 I was second with 4998.4 and Skip 
was also in the top 12 with a score of 4990 plus. The weather was very Northern 
California like, with cycling conditions and trigger temps reached by 11:00 am each 
day. The top 12 flyers gathered late on Saturday for the first fly-off which had to be 
reflown. All 12 pilots were within one minute of the max, this achieved by launching 
and flying to a hill face that was in the  right direction of the diminishing breeze 
where they slowly sank for 15 minutes.
Sunday morning the second round was flown in buoyant but not defined conditions. We 
launched downwind so it was sporting conditions. Since the US was lucky enough to put 
3 into the fly-offs, and We did not take towers,the organizers graciously supplied 
towmen, who were eager but,as expected there were some communication issues. During 
the prelims We took care of the communication deal by kicking at 4 seconds,and hoping 
we had tension prior to the horn, but often waiting one or two seconds in to working 
time to launch. I didn't really get a launch in the last flyoff  round, and as a 
result I got to watch Joe and Philip duke it out in a hang contest. Joe put up a 
gallant flight but had to negotiate a path to the circle that would not give him a 
safety penalty. Philip had a better spot and was able to get Joe by a few seconds.I 
think it was about 8:30 ish for flight times. After F3J there was a 3 round Speed 
contest. The highlights for me, was the F3B model Launched on 400 meters of speedline 
being towed on the back of an ATV. This achieved unbelievable altitude, probably a 12 
second zoom. And, oh Yea the Salsa Dancing on Friday night at the field that even had 
a US pilot with 2 left feet dancing in front of the crowd. For just a second I felt 
like Gordy. I will leave more for the others, but have never had a better time. 
Special thanks to the Turkish Aero Club and Mustafeh Koc for making this all happen. 
Best Regards Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Icon Sold

[LJolly]

Looks like the Icon has a new home. Thank you for the interest Larry Jolly

[RCSE] Icon for sale

[LJolly]

I have a brand new Icon seriously less than 10 flights that I would like to sell. The model is complete with ballast tube and instruction manual. The Icon is fitted with 5 JR 368 Digitals and a JR 341 Digital on Elevator. The model has the Hoopes connector and Don's custom 5 cell battery pack. This Icon is has red Fuselage , the wings and stab are Green on top with custom Red and Yellow accents and Red bottoms. I am asking $1900.00 for this model shipping will be extra. I am in Southern California if someone local is interested I can deliver it to you. I will be out of Town until next Monday, I hope to have Email communication if you have questions. I am selling this World Class F3J model because I need to fund a new Cambridge Glide Nav for the Discus. Thanks Larry Jolly
No DR Dan you cannot have this model, Don says give somebody else a chance.

[RCSE] F3J NYX For Sale

[LJolly]

I have an F3J D Tube NYX   Yellow on Top Blue on Bottom Red Accents that I would like to sell. The model has about 25 flights, and has never been damaged. The model is assembled with 6 - JR 368 Digital servos and comes with ballast tube. I am asking $1150.00 and hope that someone in SoCal would like me to deliver this model. I understand that someone in TPG may be looking for such a model. I will be out of  the US until next Monday but hope to have Email communication between now and then if you have questions. Thank you Larry Jolly  714-675-8787

[RCSE] F3B Finals

[LJolly]

Craig just called me from Muncie. They got in 6 Rounds, something like 18 entries, 3-4 guys at a time in distance, Not quite enough helpers, weather behaved, Thomas Kiesling place his Carracho on permanent display in the wires easily viewed from the museum.
Finland Bound are Joe Wurts, Gordon look how high my Estrella launches Jennings, and Mike Smith. DZ is alternate. Having flown Finland, stay away from the # 11 Pizza, and Elvis is still alive in Lampparade. Larry

[RCSE] Fun Toys

[LJolly]

Hey guys,
 I just wanted to pass on some information on some fun toys that Hobby Lobby is bringing in. They import models from the Czech company Alfa Models. The models I am referring to here are the foamy scale P-51, Focke Wulf 190, and Corsair. These models have pretty accurate outlines and are light enough to have real predictable flight characteristics. Finished weights are around 14 ounces,and they are real ARF's they take about 2 hours to get in to the air. You can check out these models over at the Hobby Lobby website, and there are videos of  each model flying. I used an MP Jet 28-7-35 out rider motor, Phoenix 10 motor controller, a 3 cell Thunder Power 860 ma pack, 2- Airtronics 94091 servos, a Berg 4 channel RX, and an APC 9x4 prop in my model. This combination has reserve power and flies for about 15 minutes. The motor is virtually silent and really has the power when you need it.
Maybe not as much fun as your Flying Wing F3B Icon, steered with a new JR 9303, in a high stakes in or out landing contest, while trying to decide between the NASCAR Race or Gordy shooting landings on the high DEF screen on your new Futaba fully synthesized 14 channel, but fun. Larry Jolly

[RCSE] XP3 doe sale

[LJolly]

 I have a 6 servo XP3 DHLG for sale. The models was built by Craig Greening and has no 
damage. The model features 4 Dymond D60 servos for Flap and ailerons and 2 Jr 241's 
driving the rudder and elevator. The model comes with phone jack switch and battery 
and a Hi Tech superslim RX. The model is low time and only needs new wing control rods 
to be ready for flight.
Will ship but hope some one in SoCal or attending the IHLG could use the model. First 
$475.00 takes it. Thanks Larry Jolly
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Re: [RCSE] HLG Receiver Recommendations?

[LJolly]

Jerry,
 I switched to Berg last year and have been extremely happy with the results. I had nothing but glitches with the originals that I purchased 4 years ago. But these new versions are bullet proof. They also have a new antenna  available that is on a mylar sheet and would be perfect on the bottom of a wing. Berg also has RX's available on 50mhz. I use them and recommend them to my friends. regards Larry see them at RC Direct

Re: [RCSE] WC New Years Day Postal Results #1

[LJolly]

Hi Ray,
 I decided to go to Dan Borer's New Year's Day gathering at the SWSA field. We had about 20 guys out enjoying the first soaring day of the year. We had pretty bad weather here in California today, there is a winter storm coming through with heavy alto-cirrus stuff at 20k. This amounts to having a 60%-70% filter on the Sun. We had a great day but it was 11:30 before the first thermals triggered. I launched at 11:37 and managed 55:12 with my 2 meter Volant. This 9 year old model features a  glass fuselage, wood wings and tail, with aSD3021 section. I was timed by Frank Corsaro AMA 7265. When I landed the Volant I switched to my Comet 176" Eppler 205 Wood wings and glass fuselage.
This was a good combination for the next hour or so, while Mike Reagan and Merrill Brady kept me company. I got to about 2500'-3000' a couple of times but the cirrus stuff came back and shut the field off a little after 2:00 PM. I struggled in some light stuff but had to surrender at 1:35.09.  It was a laugh to fly the Comet again, this one hadn't been airborne since 89 or 90. I had a fun day and want to thank both you and Dan for getting us to get out and fly. And a special thanks to Dan and my other friends from SWSA that stuck around to watch me land. Regards Larry Jolly

Re: [RCSE] RC Direct--NEW BERG

[LJolly]

Paul,
 I also switched an old Berg that was glutting and replaced it with the new style. I have had  good results no more glitches in gaggles with my HLG's. Regards Larry

[RCSE] Models for sale

[LJolly]

I am going to take this opportunity to sell some models that would do better if they were in someone else's Hangar, and would get flown more.
 Tragi 705X this model is new in Box condition from F3X features superb workmanship with MH32, ballast system, and mfg supplied wire harness. The model is Red white and Blue. from F3X $1350.00 this one is $1150.00 plus shipping
 
My trusty Artemis KC, this is an excellent model that I flew at 2 world championships. The model has never been damaged but does have a few dents in the upper surfaces. Model is ready to fly with 6-MCV2 digital servos, ready for your RX. $850.00
My Artemis Xtra light 57 ounce ready to fly toy. Flies like a handlaunch.
This model is also Red white and Blue and is ready to fly with 6-McV2 Digital servos. $800.00
Pike Superior Vtail increased Dihedral Joiners Red White and Blue 4-Jr368"s in the wing HTC 85MG's in the fuse. This model has a repair in the main panel from a collision at the WC. Craig Greening flew it at Denver model is ready to fly $900.00
NYX F3J D Tube model is Yellow on top Blue on Bottom Red tips. No Damage 6-JR 368's excellent model $1000.00
If you are interested in any of these models let me know I can bring them to Visalia.
Thanks Larry Jolly

Re: [RCSE] F3J Juniors Snubbed?

[LJolly]

David,
It was very unfortunate that the weather did not cooperate at the F3J Finals. I believe that Phil Renaud and the Rocky Mountain group did a great job under the extreme pressure they were under to get this contest completed. It is natural for a competitor to want to get as many chances to fly as possible. It is always tough in an abbreviated contest, especially if you are sitting on 2 throw-out scores in a 1 throw-out contest. I don't believe that the Juniors were slighted, all had equal chances to score, and hopefully they enjoyed their competition and gained valuable experience. I agree that it would have been desirable for the juniors to have the same number of flights as the seniors.  Even at the World Champs the Juniors will fly fewer rounds than the Senior pilots. It is also desirable for the juniors to have their finals at the same site and time as the open contest so that they can gain experience and learn the sport. 
We are lucky to have generous people willing to give up their Labor Day weekend to make this contest possible. Thanks a million to the crew that pulled this one off, you did a great job. Regards Larry Jolly 

Re: [RCSE] Tx batteries

[LJolly]

Hey Buzz,
 Contact Tom Copp at F3X.com. Tom stocks some swell high capacity NiMH for the Stylus. 
Regards Larry Jolly
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Re: [RCSE] US F3B team

[LJolly]

Thanks for the inquiry but Joe is flying in the Viking Cup, and Daryl has the 
option to go, or not go. For myself, I still enjoy F3B very much, but only 
have enough time to commit to F3J.  So much Fun to be had and so little time 
to enjoy it.  Congratulations to Gavin, Daryl, and Mike.  They have all flown 
well and practiced hard to get to where they are.  I hope that they do well 
in Germany and that they have a great time just being there.  Let's all get 
behind them and wish them well in their quest for a World title. Best wishes 
Larry Jolly
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Re: [RCSE] Interesting fact about New Volz Micro Maxx Xseries

[LJolly]

Tony,
You are right you should never man-handle a servo
by manipulating the surface. I gently move the surface to look for gear problems. If 
you apply a quick rotation or quickly change direction you may damage the nylon gear 
used as a fuse in a metal gear servo. Never push a Flap to full deflection=over 
center, and then manually try to return the flap.What I do is feel the sevos mesh 
looking for smooth operation. If you suspect a damaged gear move the surface away from 
center and turn your radio on. Move the surface you suspect by radio command. A damged 
servo will usally grind and or respond with a jerky motion and gradually lose its 
ability to hold center. Best wishes Larry
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Re: [RCSE] Celebs in RC Soaring

[LJolly]

Pat,
Thanks for the kind words, but my work can hardly qualify me as a celebrity. 
My team and I are just a few of the thousand or so individuals who bring a 
movie to the big screen. We did win an Emmy for Visual effects on Miracle 
Landing for the 1/10 737. Recently my team did the 1/4 scale Hueys for 
Charlie's Angels, a nice explosion all done in the camera no CG enhancements, 
The 1/4 scale aft fuselage and tail section MD11 for Castaway, Bell 212s for 
Segals Exit Wounds, 1/6 th B25 for the Doolittle crash for Pearl Harbor, 1/4 
scale MDX 900 for Travoltas Operation Sworfdish, and WE have just finished 14 
Biplanes for Stuart Little 2 in various sizes and versions. I have worked 
everyday since JAN 3 except Easter and Mother's day. I am now ready to start 
training for the F3J finals and am desperately looking forward to some model 
and full-size glider flying. By the way  I am lucky to have several people 
you guys fly with helping me. LJMP crew who also fly RCsaiplanes are Steve 
Addis, Dennis Brandt, Bob Pope, Dan Fink, and many others. You can check out 
some past work at LJMP.com .Thanks Larry
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Re: [RCSE] Public Apology

[LJolly]

To Joe, Daryl, Sal and Members of RCSE,
I, also publicly apologize to all of you, and vow to never respond to a 
controversially thread again. I am sorry for hurting Joe's feelings, and ask 
that all involved end this thread. While I respectfully choose to disagree 
with Joe, I also acknowledge his right to a contrary opinion. I want the 2001 
USA F3B Team to get on with their preparation and fundraising. The guys have 
a great amount to do, and the clock is ticking. I wish them the best in their 
endeavors and call on the rest of you to do the same. While I choose not to 
have a relationship with Joe on a personal level, I still respect his 
knowledge, talents, and achievements. In the end it is just toy airplanes, 
and I have more important concerns like Family and business than to waste any 
more of your time with this trivial thread. Respectfully Larry
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Fwd: [RCSE] Re: Opinions (response to last weeks post)

[LJolly]

 



Joe, 
I prefer to let this post die a Happy death. My opinions are my own. For your 
information what started that post was Sal's maligning the Europeans. The 
fact of the matter is that he stated that you now had the ultimate F3J Toy, 
and Daryl had the ultimate TD Toy and also the next F3B winner. Just for the 
record you must know about that post from Sal after all you found mine.  But 
with out that reference you can stick to attacking me ,right.So Joe how can 
Sal make those statements, they are not fact. Your model has never been in an 
F3J meet, and Daryl's Super Fletcher hasn't even got the molds polished out 
yet. That was blatant self promotion for SAl and his boys and  is not 
factual. Don't you ever get self righteous and  condemn me for being part of 
the old F3B wars. It was your club not mine that started the barrage of 
Techno advantage wars in that game. As far as a friendlier group involved 
now, is that what you call that little bit of Rules twisting you, and your 
Win at any costs team mates pulled at the last team trials. You guys cheated 
and your little philosophical comment about fighting it out in the air made 
me laugh out loud. Your buddy Daryl even got so blatant as to say that if 
Randy had been the CD he wouldn't have got away with it. Got away with what? 
I thought what you guys did was legal, right. No, Joe, it is you with the 
problem not me. The fact is that you and Daryl treat people poorly, it is 
true that Daryl is far more of a user than you are.  I know that I am on your 
list and that when the chips go don't fall in my favor that you will secretly 
chuckle at my score. The simple fact is that after years of experience with 
you and Daryl I prefer not to be a friend. Personally I find you people 
contrary to the way I want, to live my life. I wish you the best, but do not 
support you in any of your endeavors. If there is a competition that I can 
use my limited abilities to compete against you, I will. Since all you live 
for is the challenge of the hunt it means so much more when I read Jolly in 
front of Wurts. I am not taking any abuse from you, if you want to go public, 
bring it on. Larry

[RCSE] Fwd: Your Note

[LJolly]

 



Daryl,
I have been a huge supporter of yours for years. When Skip, and Tom, and Mark 
all called me to ask what could be done after their protest was declined for 
being to late, I was dragged into it. You and I both know there is a big 
difference between, repairing something that already exists and swapping out 
parts. You changed Parts buddy, and maybe you got away with it. But that 
doesn't make it right. I have no stake here, and frankly am very sorry that 
you have chosen this path. It is your reputation, you choose. Obviously you 
aren't having any trouble sleeping at night, as far as I am concerned the 
situation is over.  Larry