Re: [RCSE] AMA Nats/not really a contest

1999-08-22 Thread Dkbovaird

Perhaps if each local club held events in order to select their own 
delegate(s) to a "national" level event (some of?) the proceeds from the 
local contests could be used to fund the expenses incurred with attending the 
national contest. This way you could root for your home team at the least. Or 
perhaps this is already done by some clubs.

Both the cost and level of dedication required to be a WC USA rep to the 
Internats might be intimidating but if your fellow club members were behind 
you, perhaps it might ease the pain.

Most guys (maybe its just me) probably just consider themselves as "sunday 
fliers" and don't want to put themselves through the possible pain and public 
humiliation of subjecting themselves to a "competition" to see "who's best", 
but who cares anyway. I'll probably enter a contest one of these days. I 
still get a chuckle when I recall all those guys at the IHLGF out in the 
field in the midst of the frenzy to stay airborne. Looked like alot of fun.

dave.
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Re: [RCSE] AMA Nats/not really a contest -- BS!

1999-08-22 Thread Scharck

In a message dated 8/21/99 1:54:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I understood and agree with the author's logic.  The point I took home
 was, since there was no system of qualifications...the nats hardly rate as a 
overall national championship.>>

Ron:

I have to disagree.

First of all, the only National Soaring Championship that AMA awards is to 
the one pilot who has the best combined scores from the Two-Meter and Open 
Class competition at the NATS.  To win the National Championship (the plaque 
reads "1999 National Category Champion" and then "RC Soaring") involves four 
days of flying (two for each event) and usually 15-20 rounds of man-on-man 
competition against 100 +/- pilots from across the country and virtually 
every state.

The winners of the individual competitions are awarded plaques that reads 
"Fist Place - Open (Junior or Senior) Class" and then the event title such as 
"F3J," "Thermal Soaring Two-Meter" or "Thermal Soaring Unlimited."

I fly in a number of the major "contests" around the country so I think I 
know what I am talking about when I say that there is no other contest that 
even comes close to being the Championship quality of the NATS, and I am from 
California where we have a fair share of the soaring talent and contests in 
the U.S.  Your source, Matthew Orme, says that winning at either Visalia or 
Pasadena's two day contest has more prestige. While Visalia is a great event 
(300 pilots), no one who knows anything about it considers it a championship 
caliber event.  The list of entries reads like the Who's Who of soaring and, 
as such, being on the "first page" (top 40) is the dream of most who attend.  
But as a contest it does not come close to that of the NATS.  Visalia is 7 
rounds with tasks of 3, 5, 7, 8, 5, and 8 minutes respectively. Flight order 
is determined by your pilot number and you fly when you are called up.  There 
is no man-on-man, so if you are called up during a down cycle...tough.  And 
then there is the downwind launch , downwind landing over the berm that is 
unique to Visalia in October.  If ever there was a Fun-Fly with scoring, 
Visalia is it.  And by the way, I go to Visalia every year and love it...for 
what it is.

Compare that to a total of 15 to 20 rounds of man-on-man found at the NATS 
with the shortest task being 6 minutes and most tasks being 10 to 12 minutes. 
No comparison.  So why are there 300 pilots that go to Visalia and only 
100+/- that compete at the NATS in Two-meter and Unlimited)?  Easy.  Visalia 
is in California and it's on a weekend!  If the NATS were held in California 
you would have 100 pilots from California alone.

Let's face it, you could have all the qualifiers you wanted and it wouldn't 
make a hill of beans difference.  There are only so many people (10 or less 
this year) who will take the time, trouble and expense to leave California 
(not to mention, Texas, Washington, the East Coast, etc.) and travel to 
Muncie in late July to compete in a week long contest.  I don't care if it 
was the World Championships.

Joe Wurts and Daryl Perkins, both multiple National and World Soaring 
Champions, as well as any other National Champion, will tell you there is 
plenty of quality competition at the NATS to spur anyone who is interested 
enough to compete for the National Championship to attend.  Is all the talent 
there?  Hell, no!  Most of it is not.  But I don't think that a series of 
qualifiers will do a bit of good and, in my opinion, will in fact be harmful. 
The National Championship should remain an open event.  By doing so, the 
creme de la creme of soaring talent, who care to compete for the 
Championship, will fight it out and the best man for those four days will, 
and should be, the National Champion.  For the rest of us, it gives us the 
opportunity to compete in the finest contest, with the most complete agenda 
of soaring tasks, available anywhere.

Just my opinion.

Ron Scharck
La Jolla, CA
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Re: [RCSE] AMA Nats/not really a contest

1999-08-22 Thread david j. butkovich

that means if i am an excellent pilot and i do come out on top, i'm still
dirt poor (can't afford the air fares) and have a job that doesn't allow
time out for championship competition, the competition generated will be
those who don't have restraints on their lives.
dave
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>From: Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Soaring listserver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [RCSE] AMA Nats/not really a contest
>Date: Sat, Aug 21, 1999, 1:52 PM
>

>Sorry, but I couldn't be quiet on this one.
>
>I understood and agree with the author's logic.  The point I took home
>was, since there was no system of qualifications like you might find in
>a baseball tourney, the nats hardly rate as a overall national
>championship.
>
>This is not to say that it is not a great achievement to do well in a
>contest with so many entrants.  But, it is not as great an achievement
>as it could be if there were local and regional qualifiers from around
>the counrty.
>
>In 1976, I won the Std class B group at the nats simply because I was
>the only one to enter.  An extreme example I admit, yet it illustrates
>the point.  Again, the point as I understood it, A true national
>championship contest should be the culmination of a number of local and
>regional events.  The winners of these events would then meet to duke it
>out for the title of national champ.  There should be more required to
>enter than just time & money.
>
>Somebody kick this soapbox from under me before I hurt myself :)
>-- 
>Ron Richardson
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>Birmingham, AL, USA
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