"Circling in the launch area is dumb, dangerous, and selfish. On rare occasions, it may be necessary to cross the launch area when out of lift, altitude, and ideas but the pilot does so at his own risk." -Chuck Anderson ....and at risk to everyone else trying to launch, too! It is never "necessary" to cross the launch area at low altitude. Just "be a man", :-) and accept that you blew it and land out instead of selfishly delaying the launch cycle, risking a midair or fouled winch line or even possible injury to others. A pilot should be smart enough to know when it's time to head out if he or she is working a part of the sky that places the launch area between the glider and the landing area. Keith M Hawaii RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]