Re: [RCSE] Molded RDS pockets. . .problems.

1999-08-13 Thread Keith M. Skye

Right on Dave!

Keith


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Re: [RCSE] Molded RDS pockets. . .problems.

1999-08-12 Thread Harley Michaelis

Lynford. . .thanks for your perceptive post. Now I sort of feel vindicated.
Yes. . .whoever does not try the recommended procedures first, is probably
not in the best position to suggest alternatives. Honestly, the
Formica/balsa combo is so darn simple, I can't understand the resistance to
just doing it.

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> From: Lynford Disbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Harley Michaelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Molded RDS pockets. . .problems.
> Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 4:37 PM
> 
> Harley:
> 
> SNIP
> I swear I can make a beautiful set of 4 in 1/2 hour.
> END SNIP
> 
> You slackard!  I can make twenty pockets in less than 30 minutes.  I use
> a table saw and a two foot square foot of formica I got from a cabinet
> maker (free). I have a lifetime supply, but they are not ARF. You have
> to mount them and I just can't bring myself to do any building what so
> ever since I am a pilot  8^)  Oh gee what should I do???.  
> 
> Kinda funny isn't it.  You tell someone exactly how to do it and rather
> than do it and go fly, they tell you how to do it better without any
> testing or experience at all.  I tried the wire frame bit when I was
> testing the prototypes you sent and it was really bad for all the
> reasons you gave and with much force it tore out of the balsa.  To make
> it strong enough you had to put plywood over and under it ... gained
> nothing.  Now we will probably hear twenty ways to make it stong enough,
> again without any testing.  Such is RCSE.
> 
> Lynford
> Reno Flightline
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Re: [RCSE] Molded RDS pockets. . .problems.

1999-08-12 Thread Lynford Disbrow

Harley:

SNIP
I swear I can make a beautiful set of 4 in 1/2 hour.
END SNIP

You slackard!  I can make twenty pockets in less than 30 minutes.  I use
a table saw and a two foot square foot of formica I got from a cabinet
maker (free). I have a lifetime supply, but they are not ARF. You have
to mount them and I just can't bring myself to do any building what so
ever since I am a pilot  8^)  Oh gee what should I do???.  

Kinda funny isn't it.  You tell someone exactly how to do it and rather
than do it and go fly, they tell you how to do it better without any
testing or experience at all.  I tried the wire frame bit when I was
testing the prototypes you sent and it was really bad for all the
reasons you gave and with much force it tore out of the balsa.  To make
it strong enough you had to put plywood over and under it ... gained
nothing.  Now we will probably hear twenty ways to make it stong enough,
again without any testing.  Such is RCSE.

Lynford
Reno Flightline
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[RCSE] Molded RDS pockets. . .problems.

1999-08-12 Thread Harley Michaelis

Bill. . .believe me, a molded pocket was seriously considered and deemed
impractical. Let's see. . .depending on aircraft size and the application,
possible shaft sizes among commonly available wires/rods would be 1/32",
.047", .055", 1/16", .072" (2-56 rod size) 3/32" and 1/8". Besides those
there are the metrics.

How can a manufacturer possibly know what size shaft the modeler will
select to use? How could a manufacturer possibly know what size pocket to
put in a package? If a big array of alternate sizes (the expense would be
horrendous) were offered how would a builder know which to buy? How would a
dealer know which sizes to stock? 

Of course, for best operation using a given shaft size, the pocket
configuration is different for ailerons and flaps, so we are talking 2
pockets minimum, not one, if a pocket for some specific sized wire could be
settled on. How is the manufacturer to know if a pocket for flap or aileron
useage is to be included? Include both? Why should a builder have to pay
for something for which he has no use? 

Sure. . .just molding up a perfectly fitting, undistorted pockets sounds
easy. However, due to different coefficients of expansion between metal and
plastic, you might have a good fit in some narrow temperature range, but a
poor one either side. Even a .001" difference is noticeable. The Formica,
SS rod combo seems very stable.
 
Pockets have to be thin to fit in thin surfaces. Thin molded plastic
surfaces are subject to distortion when cooling. Pocket tops and bottoms
have to be in precise parallel planes to work right and the rear must be
open in order to slip the drive shaft off the coupler to service a servo.
That is, if it is closed to assure rigidity, shaft removal is prevented.

No disrepect intended, but is there something wrong with a builder having
to do a little custom work making pockets?  I swear I can make a beautiful
set of 4 in 1/2 hour. The procedure is certainly well-documented under
http://www.bmi.net/propt/rds/. It just ain't "rocket science".


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