[RCSE] Results from the Pre F3J World Contest
#2 DP ! #4 Rich Burnowski #5 JW #7 Mike Lee # Ben Clerx Ben was at the top but rushed a landing that he ended having to jump his plane to avoid getting knocked. Our guys are there to play ! ;-) Congrats guys! # 1 was a young German Christian Reinecke, the only pilot to win two of the three rounds..and lead DP by 2.30 seconds. Gordy **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507)
[RCSE] "Results are in -BUT what are they????"
Couple of weeks ago I got back my nearly one year old AR7000 from Horizon. I had them updated it to the "quick connect" configuration. I had read that the logger will work on older AR7000 if it's plug into the battery port. I tried it and it sort of worked. The logger recognized there was only one main receiver and one remote. But the data was nonsense. I called Horizon back about this and was told the AR7000 can be upgraded for logger operation but you specifically have to request it. I hadn't. You might call and verify this. Allan Worrest >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:57:29 EST >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: "Results are in -BUT what are they" >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---1204556249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Hi Ryan, >Thanks for the comments but :-) >You had and have an opportunity to provide some real information in >your >post. Take a look backf...you go on about not having an RX that >doesn't take a >logger, you pine for an less expensive rx that does, and you mention >that >there was the first contest of the season in St Louis. >But what readers would like to hear about from you : (and all of you >sailplaners out there!) >1 Okay so you don't have a logger or an RX that can use onebut which >plane are you flying your 2.4 in? Considering the context of the title >(carbon >?fuse solutions) it might be some value to mentioning your airframe. >2 What steps did you take (in detail) to satisfy yourself that your >system >was safe to fly? >3 IF your ship has a carbon fuse, what did you do special to make it >work ? >4 How many guys were at the contest, how many rounds, who won, what did >they >fly, again in the context of the title. >5 How many guys were using 2.4 systems, and were any in carbon fuses? >5 Did any have Flight Loggers? >Come on guys we could all use contest results, planes flown and 2.4 >info.! >You all wax on about why attendance seems down? Maybe because no ones >talking about the contests, sailplanes and now 2.4 fun. >THINK about it, if it weren't for guys like Ira, Don, Mike, Keith >recording >their experiments and sharing them with the rest, we'd all be >re-creating the >same experiments. >We're all waiting for the rest of the story :-). >Gordy In a message dated 3/3/2008 9:16:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Can any of you guys post what kind of numbers you are seeing with a 2.4 > friendly fuse plane? > >I'd be happy to share my results with you, but I don't have a receiver >that interfaces with the logger. :-( Hopefully Horizon will come out >with a version of the AR7000 that interfaces with the logger, or >perhaps an AR9000 will make its way to me for Father's day or something >(that sounds unlikely). >So right now I'm one of those fellows that is "living on a prayer" as a >person might say. But, to date I have no problems to report. >I was at St. Louis on Saturday for thier first club contest of the >year. My radios worked great but the pilot could probably still use >some work. :-) >I need to send in my dues to LASS for 2008. Not sure how much I'll be >able to fly with you all this year, got lucky this past weekend because >the weather and the babysitters were in harmony for that St. Louis >trip. >Ryan _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] "Results are in -BUT what are they????"
Hi Ryan, Thanks for the comments but :-) You had and have an opportunity to provide some real information in your post. Take a look backf...you go on about not having an RX that doesn't take a logger, you pine for an less expensive rx that does, and you mention that there was the first contest of the season in St Louis. But what readers would like to hear about from you : (and all of you sailplaners out there!) 1 Okay so you don't have a logger or an RX that can use onebut which plane are you flying your 2.4 in? Considering the context of the title (carbon fuse solutions) it might be some value to mentioning your airframe. 2 What steps did you take (in detail) to satisfy yourself that your system was safe to fly? 3 IF your ship has a carbon fuse, what did you do special to make it work ? 4 How many guys were at the contest, how many rounds, who won, what did they fly, again in the context of the title. 5 How many guys were using 2.4 systems, and were any in carbon fuses? 5 Did any have Flight Loggers? Come on guys we could all use contest results, planes flown and 2.4 info.! You all wax on about why attendance seems down? Maybe because no ones talking about the contests, sailplanes and now 2.4 fun. THINK about it, if it weren't for guys like Ira, Don, Mike, Keith recording their experiments and sharing them with the rest, we'd all be re-creating the same experiments. We're all waiting for the rest of the story :-). Gordy In a message dated 3/3/2008 9:16:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Can any of you guys post what kind of numbers you are seeing with a 2.4 > friendly fuse plane? > I'd be happy to share my results with you, but I don't have a receiver that interfaces with the logger. :-( Hopefully Horizon will come out with a version of the AR7000 that interfaces with the logger, or perhaps an AR9000 will make its way to me for Father's day or something (that sounds unlikely). So right now I'm one of those fellows that is "living on a prayer" as a person might say. But, to date I have no problems to report. I was at St. Louis on Saturday for thier first club contest of the year. My radios worked great but the pilot could probably still use some work. :-) I need to send in my dues to LASS for 2008. Not sure how much I'll be able to fly with you all this year, got lucky this past weekend because the weather and the babysitters were in harmony for that St. Louis trip. Ryan **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
[RCSE] "Results are in -Catfish Style Perfect Defense Against Canopy Carbon Fuselages!"
Real credit goes to top TD pilot Keith F. for coming up with simplicity itself for canopy style carbon fuses. Pikes, etc. One remote, both in the nose, no mods...and the Flight Log results were never over 70 (that means next to perfect, numbers in the 300's don't affect a flight, I know I flew a different system which produced those numbers with out noticing a glitch). My main RX is forward of the servos, battery in front of that in the nose. I have two whiskers sticking out each lower side of the nose, not the bottom with short extentions shrink wrapped to the original whiskers so that I ended up with both showing 31mm outside the fuse side. The remote is two way taped to the top of the canopy, right against the spring wire that holds the canopy in., about at the half way point. Its stock whiskers are sticking thru holes in each side of the carbon canopy near the top. This set up is the real thing. One really good thing is that you can see each RX at a glance when you turn on. I noticed that there is a protocol to follow for turning on. Turn on the TX first, then the RX. IF you happen to shut off power to the RXs only, then its important to turn off the TX, then back on before turning on the RX power. Without following that protocol, the Remote RX would flash its light. So always power off the TX and power it back on before powering the RX again. Just something I noticed, no mention of it in the manual. Ground range was over 150', numbers were under 40. Walked behind three big pine trees, never getting more than 50' from the Pike, with the range test button depressed, numbers stayed under 150 but again no Holds. Can any of you guys post what kind of numbers you are seeing with a 2.4 friendly fuse plane? It rained and was cold here most of the day but got sunny and about 65 later, so I went to the clubhouse, released Little Lee from the closet we keep in stored in so that I'd have some help with my test. The kid is an amazing pilot, he was tossing his Blaster2 most of the nite. Did tests on the Don Barker Sputnik Style Defense Ngainst Nose Cone Carbon Fuses too, but with different wire etc than he used. More on that later. I am going to change out my modified system to one just like his to compare Flight Log results. Gordy **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Correction to what they flew.
Ditto for 16th place. I guess that combo only gets you multiples of 8, but is very enjoyable! JD -Original Message- From: Mike Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:49 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Correction to what they flew. 8th place - Corona, and Seagrams VO and soda (with a twist, and a cigar of coure) Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Correction to what they flew.
COLD!! This group is not picky. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: "AJ Bhatta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Correction to what they flew. Did you also find out what beer the top 10 pilots were drinking? AJ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turns out D flew the new Spirit Elite 100"I know that sounds insane, but I picked it off a cell phone recording my friend at Homeland Security sent to me. Course it was a little hard to hear clearly. You can get them from Tower HobbiesHorizon really missed the boat on this one :-) It uses a unique construction technique in its wings, a lateral and longitudinal design that is seldom seen today, cept maybe at Skybench functions. I hear that inventory is low on this ship so you might want to get your credit card down now. This is definitely a wait and wail situation. Gordy A break from the beach...possibly got too much sun RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Correction to what they flew.
8th place - Corona, and Seagrams VO and soda (with a twist, and a cigar of coure) Mike At 12:42 PM 2/15/2006, AJ Bhatta wrote: Did you also find out what beer the top 10 pilots were drinking? AJ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Turns out D flew the new Spirit Elite 100"I know > that sounds insane, but > I picked it off a cell phone recording my friend at > Homeland Security sent > to me. Course it was a little hard to hear > clearly. > > You can get them from Tower HobbiesHorizon > really missed the boat on > this one :-) > > It uses a unique construction technique in its > wings, a lateral and > longitudinal design that is seldom seen today, cept > maybe at Skybench functions. > > I hear that inventory is low on this ship so you > might want to get your > credit card down now. > This is definitely a wait and wail situation. > > Gordy > A break from the beach...possibly got too much sun > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Correction to what they flew.
Did you also find out what beer the top 10 pilots were drinking? AJ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Turns out D flew the new Spirit Elite 100"I know > that sounds insane, but > I picked it off a cell phone recording my friend at > Homeland Security sent > to me. Course it was a little hard to hear > clearly. > > You can get them from Tower HobbiesHorizon > really missed the boat on > this one :-) > > It uses a unique construction technique in its > wings, a lateral and > longitudinal design that is seldom seen today, cept > maybe at Skybench functions. > > I hear that inventory is low on this ship so you > might want to get your > credit card down now. > This is definitely a wait and wail situation. > > Gordy > A break from the beach...possibly got too much sun > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Correction to what they flew.
Turns out D flew the new Spirit Elite 100"I know that sounds insane, but I picked it off a cell phone recording my friend at Homeland Security sent to me. Course it was a little hard to hear clearly. You can get them from Tower HobbiesHorizon really missed the boat on this one :-) It uses a unique construction technique in its wings, a lateral and longitudinal design that is seldom seen today, cept maybe at Skybench functions. I hear that inventory is low on this ship so you might want to get your credit card down now.This is definitely a wait and wail situation. Gordy A break from the beach...possibly got too much sun
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
I have added some of the names of the planes to the scores list for OPEN and RES on www.rcsoaring.com If you would like to add the name of your plane, please send it to me at soaring at rcsoaring.com and I will update the list - Gordy, you are in charge of collecting them! ;) Joe - Original Message - From: "David Zucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Daryl Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? Kornberg flew the Pike Superior X-tail I sold him after Visalia with an Airtronics Stylus. I think he's pretty happy with the results. Z 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale 2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike 2467 ??? 6 Kornberg Dave 2467 Not sure (Icon?) 7 George Steve 2463 ??? 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon 9 Reagan Mike 2457 ??? 10 Jennings Gordon 2456 Icon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Many Thanks to all My friends at CASL for a great contest! The plane I flew in RES is Hobby Clubs Danny Design. It is a fine model and flies very well, I do recommend this model to any one wanting to try this type of model. As for the Supra observations I had both my standard model 64 ounces and my all carbon 68 ounces at the contest. The models launch and fly very well, and will be part of my quiver for the foreseeable future. At no time was I in any danger of not making my time.I am embarrassed to tell you that I missed 3 landings that should have been 25's, for some reason I was having trouble keeping the model between the lanes on landing. You can bet that I will get out and fine tune the landing mode and get these landings down for the next step in the triad. Thanks to all for a great weekend and thanks for putting up with Bear Too's first public outing. ManyThanks to Airtronics,Alberto, and Barry for helping me . My Best Regards Larry Jolly -Original Message-From: Lex Mierop <lex@nts.net>To: 'Marta Zavala' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Daryl Perkins <wcx4@yahoo.com>; Soaring@airage.comSent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:47:23 -0800Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? Mike Regan flew a Supra in Open and the Ava in RES. His RES score was 10 points higher, but he's been flying the Ava for a loong time -l -Original Message- From: Marta Zavala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:28 AM To: Daryl Perkins; Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? Looking at total scores, looks like three RES planes - what ever LJ flew and two AVAs where in the top ten scores- 3/4/6 best total scores. Three RES birds out of the top ten and at roughly 1/2 the cost, when you factor in servo costs, than say a Supra. Not too shabby. Walter - Original Message - From: "Daryl Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <Soaring@airage.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? > Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure > about. If you know... please finish up the list... > > 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 > 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra > 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? > 4 Nutter Dale 2468 ??? > 5 Verzuh Mike 2467 ??? > 6 Kornberg Dave 2467 Not sure (Icon?) > 7 George Steve 2463 ??? > 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon > 9 Reagan Mike 2457 ??? > 10 Jennings Gordon 2456 Icon > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note > that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format > with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and > AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Kornberg flew the Pike Superior X-tail I sold him after Visalia with an Airtronics Stylus. I think he's pretty happy with the results. Z 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? 6 KornbergDave2467 Not sure (Icon?) 7 George Steve 2463 ??? 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon 9 Reagan Mike2457 ??? 10 JenningsGordon 2456 Icon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" How 'bout radio?
#3 Newcomb - Airtronics (Espada R) #5 Verzuh - Airtronics (Pike Superior) Jim Monaco -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:27 AM To: Daryl Perkins; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" How 'bout radio? 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Airtronics 2 Wurts Joe 2492 JR 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? 6 KornbergDave2467 ??? 7 George Steve 2463 Airtronics (I think) 8 Smith Michael 2461 Airtronics 9 Reagan Mike2457 ??? 10 JenningsGordon 2456 ??? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Mike Verzuh flew a Superior X-tail and Newcomb flew an Espada R. -Original Message-From: George Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Soaring@airage.comSent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:56:34 -0600Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? It's good to see a former Okie in the top 5. Way to go Dale Nutter! gv -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Soaring@airage.com!Planes? Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure about. If you know... please finish up the list... 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Mike Regan flew a Supra in Open and the Ava in RES. His RES score was 10 points higher, but he's been flying the Ava for a loong time -l -Original Message- From: Marta Zavala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:28 AM To: Daryl Perkins; Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? Looking at total scores, looks like three RES planes - what ever LJ flew and two AVAs where in the top ten scores- 3/4/6 best total scores. Three RES birds out of the top ten and at roughly 1/2 the cost, when you factor in servo costs, than say a Supra. Not too shabby. Walter - Original Message - From: "Daryl Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? > Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure > about. If you know... please finish up the list... > > 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 > 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra > 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? > 4 Nutter Dale 2468 ??? > 5 Verzuh Mike 2467 ??? > 6 Kornberg Dave 2467 Not sure (Icon?) > 7 George Steve 2463 ??? > 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon > 9 Reagan Mike 2457 ??? > 10 Jennings Gordon 2456 Icon > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note > that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format > with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and > AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Looking at total scores, looks like three RES planes - what ever LJ flew and two AVAs where in the top ten scores- 3/4/6 best total scores. Three RES birds out of the top ten and at roughly 1/2 the cost, when you factor in servo costs, than say a Supra. Not too shabby. Walter - Original Message - From: "Daryl Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure about. If you know... please finish up the list... 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale 2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike 2467 ??? 6 Kornberg Dave 2467 Not sure (Icon?) 7 George Steve 2463 ??? 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon 9 Reagan Mike 2457 ??? 10 Jennings Gordon 2456 Icon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" How 'bout radio?
1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Airtronics 2 Wurts Joe 2492 JR 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? 6 KornbergDave2467 ??? 7 George Steve 2463 Airtronics (I think) 8 Smith Michael 2461 Airtronics 9 Reagan Mike2457 ??? 10 JenningsGordon 2456 ??? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
It's good to see a former Okie in the top 5. Way to go Dale Nutter! gv -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure about. If you know... please finish up the list... 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure about. If you know... please finish up the list... 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? 6 KornbergDave2467 Not sure (Icon?) 7 George Steve 2463 ??? 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon 9 Reagan Mike2457 ??? 10 JenningsGordon 2456 Icon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz!
Thanks Gordy. Couldn't buy a landing Sunday so I dropped out of the top ten. The Sharon was working good though which helps when you haven't flow it since Visalia. OK all you Mid-West guys, Dave Campbell, Ed Whyte and I were like the only ones there this year! Why would you not want to head to the sunny WARM southwest in February? Next year get your travel plans together and don't miss the SWC. Thanks again to the CASL club folks for their hard work in putting this on. John -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:47 PMTo: Soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz! Hey lets hear it for John D! He may be a JR guy but he apparently has been paying attention to his Soar buddies around Illinois! 16th out of that group of guys is pretty awesome! Way to represent the Mid, John! Course we have no idea what anyone flew...yet :-) Gordy Puerto Vallarta, cold Corona's, fresh Shrimp, and now...a clean beach :-)
[RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Way to Go John Diniz!
Hey lets hear it for John D! He may be a JR guy but he apparently has been paying attention to his Soar buddies around Illinois! 16th out of that group of guys is pretty awesome! Way to represent the Mid, John! Course we have no idea what anyone flew...yet :-) Gordy Puerto Vallarta, cold Corona's, fresh Shrimp, and now...a clean beach :-)
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring"
Thanks for taking the time to write an excellent contest report John. Very much appreciated. Walter - Original Message - From: "John Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marta Zavala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Paul Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Soaring List" Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Just getting back to things after the long weekend. I've got the raccoon eyes face after looking into a very strong Arizona sun for 3 days. George Joy and his crew did a great job running the contest. It's no small feat to host a 180 pilot meet. You need a CD, an impound director, winch master, multiple landing judges, catering company, marketing company and graphic artist for the t-shirts. The CASA volunteers were there the whole weekend hosting, and if it wasn't for their effort we wouldn't have anything to discuss. There were weather reports for Saturday predicting winds out of the east at 15-25. I wasn't too worried about the Icon, but I brought along two pounds for the Topaz. The morning seemed calm enough so I didn't ballast up for the first round, a 4 minute flight. I was the very first flight of the contest, and with a slight downwind launch I was off. I pinged off the top, turned into the wind, and proceeded to drift backwards towards California. It wasn't 25 mph up there, but it wasn't even close to what you felt on the ground. Probably about 12-13 mph, enough to stop the RES planes in their tracks. It was relatively smooth, however, and if you just flew without touching the sticks you could make your time. The landing zone was a box runway, the center square worth 25 points, the next boxes on either side worth 15 and the end boxes worth 5. The width was only about 20", so if you had any crosswind (most of the weekend) it wasn't an easy shot. Rounds 2 and 3 were part of the add-em-up with a 10 minute max. Thermals started popping but the wind had a pretty big influence. You couldn't have one ride for the full 10, you needed about 2 or 3 thermals, unless you had great eyes. Lots of off field landings. Round 3 had a killer sink cycle in it. Daryl P. had something like a 5:25, I had a 3:13...and a DQ for circling low over the pits. So much for my Open score. In all fairness we had been warned; the landing judge signed my card, but when I got back to impound George took me aside and told me I was getting zeroed for the flight. I understand the decision, coming on the heels of some spectacular vaporization of planes that landed on power lines. I don't know if you've seen or heard a smoked plane up close, but you get an idea of what cartoonist must think off when they draw something getting zapped. In one case the line was severed and still sparking. A minute later there was a second bzzzrrap that sounded like a sound check at a Pink Floyd concert. Most likely a transformer circuit blowing out on reset. Because of a slow start, the 4th round of the add-em-up was called off, so the three flights were a 23 minute task. Sunday morning there was a 5 minute task, the third round of the add-em-up, then a 8 minute flight to end the contest. The conditions Sunday were much the same but calmer in the morning. Larry Jolly won RES on his last flight, beating out Joe Nave by a landing. Both those two would have been in 3rd and 4th place in Open, so the RES planes did more than hold their own. Mike Reagan got 3rd in RES flying his AVA. He also got 9th in Open flying his Supra. Oh yeah, the AVA score was higher than the Supra score :-) Daryl won the whole thing because he was, as usual, a landing machine. Incredible control of the Insanity and great thermalling as well. Joe rallied at the end to get 2nd place. Joseph Newcomb got third flying his Espada. He is on the USA F3J Junior team. I had the pleasure of being on the same team during the Team Trials in Denver this summer, and Joseph continued his fearless flying style that most people just don't see. I mean that seriously. I don't think half the guys in the contest could see where he was flying. He has eyes like an eagle, and all his landings were done without a skeg. Try that crosswind on a runway landing. Barry Kennedy was there with lots of toys. I don't think he had many Supras left, but I hate to break the suspense. The Supras didn't win it all. It is a beautiful plane but once and for all, it's the pilot who wins the contest. Oh, except in hand launch. Joe, Larry and me all flying Blasters :-) JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: "Marta Zavala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:31:32 -0800 To: "Paul Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Subject: Re
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring"
Excellent report John, Thanks!! - Original Message - > Daryl won the whole thing because he was, as usual, a landing machine. So, Daryl... I guess you got some new eye-glasses, since Muncie.:) Jon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring"
Great report John, thank you! At 12:11 PM 2/13/2006, John Erickson wrote: Just getting back to things after the long weekend. I've got the raccoon eyes face after looking into a very strong Arizona sun for 3 days. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring"
Just getting back to things after the long weekend. I've got the raccoon eyes face after looking into a very strong Arizona sun for 3 days. George Joy and his crew did a great job running the contest. It's no small feat to host a 180 pilot meet. You need a CD, an impound director, winch master, multiple landing judges, catering company, marketing company and graphic artist for the t-shirts. The CASA volunteers were there the whole weekend hosting, and if it wasn't for their effort we wouldn't have anything to discuss. There were weather reports for Saturday predicting winds out of the east at 15-25. I wasn't too worried about the Icon, but I brought along two pounds for the Topaz. The morning seemed calm enough so I didn't ballast up for the first round, a 4 minute flight. I was the very first flight of the contest, and with a slight downwind launch I was off. I pinged off the top, turned into the wind, and proceeded to drift backwards towards California. It wasn't 25 mph up there, but it wasn't even close to what you felt on the ground. Probably about 12-13 mph, enough to stop the RES planes in their tracks. It was relatively smooth, however, and if you just flew without touching the sticks you could make your time. The landing zone was a box runway, the center square worth 25 points, the next boxes on either side worth 15 and the end boxes worth 5. The width was only about 20", so if you had any crosswind (most of the weekend) it wasn't an easy shot. Rounds 2 and 3 were part of the add-em-up with a 10 minute max. Thermals started popping but the wind had a pretty big influence. You couldn't have one ride for the full 10, you needed about 2 or 3 thermals, unless you had great eyes. Lots of off field landings. Round 3 had a killer sink cycle in it. Daryl P. had something like a 5:25, I had a 3:13...and a DQ for circling low over the pits. So much for my Open score. In all fairness we had been warned; the landing judge signed my card, but when I got back to impound George took me aside and told me I was getting zeroed for the flight. I understand the decision, coming on the heels of some spectacular vaporization of planes that landed on power lines. I don't know if you've seen or heard a smoked plane up close, but you get an idea of what cartoonist must think off when they draw something getting zapped. In one case the line was severed and still sparking. A minute later there was a second bzzzrrap that sounded like a sound check at a Pink Floyd concert. Most likely a transformer circuit blowing out on reset. Because of a slow start, the 4th round of the add-em-up was called off, so the three flights were a 23 minute task. Sunday morning there was a 5 minute task, the third round of the add-em-up, then a 8 minute flight to end the contest. The conditions Sunday were much the same but calmer in the morning. Larry Jolly won RES on his last flight, beating out Joe Nave by a landing. Both those two would have been in 3rd and 4th place in Open, so the RES planes did more than hold their own. Mike Reagan got 3rd in RES flying his AVA. He also got 9th in Open flying his Supra. Oh yeah, the AVA score was higher than the Supra score :-) Daryl won the whole thing because he was, as usual, a landing machine. Incredible control of the Insanity and great thermalling as well. Joe rallied at the end to get 2nd place. Joseph Newcomb got third flying his Espada. He is on the USA F3J Junior team. I had the pleasure of being on the same team during the Team Trials in Denver this summer, and Joseph continued his fearless flying style that most people just don't see. I mean that seriously. I don't think half the guys in the contest could see where he was flying. He has eyes like an eagle, and all his landings were done without a skeg. Try that crosswind on a runway landing. Barry Kennedy was there with lots of toys. I don't think he had many Supras left, but I hate to break the suspense. The Supras didn't win it all. It is a beautiful plane but once and for all, it's the pilot who wins the contest. Oh, except in hand launch. Joe, Larry and me all flying Blasters :-) JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA > From: "Marta Zavala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:31:32 -0800 > To: "Paul Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" > > Congrats to all the winners and non winners too. With gas prices, cost of > attending, etc these days, just making it to a 2day makes you a winner. Did > RES have same tasks as Unlimited? If so Id say several of the RES guys more > than held their own with the Unlimited planes. I see > DP won another one with his bagged Insanity. Bet he even beat a few molded > birds to do it. > Wal
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring"
Congrats to all the winners and non winners too. With gas prices, cost of attending, etc these days, just making it to a 2day makes you a winner. Did RES have same tasks as Unlimited? If so Id say several of the RES guys more than held their own with the Unlimited planes. I see DP won another one with his bagged Insanity. Bet he even beat a few molded birds to do it. Walter - Original Message - From: Paul Emerson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Scores are up at http://www.casl.net/swc_data/06scores.html Thanks for coming out and see you next time. Paul On 2/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi guys, Well I made it from snowing Atlanta today to Puerto Vallartawere it is not snowing :-) Sitting on the beach typing this note. Everyone here is wondering about what fun everyone had at the SWC this weekend...well at least I think that's what all the chatter is about(they tend to speak Spanish here). In any case I think one of them was talking about how well Don Richmonds internal pushrods worked on his Supra, and how he was getting a lot of envious looks from other guys who have 'outies'. And I think there was some funny reports on wild landings and flip oversbut again, it was all in Spanish. I guess if you 'add em' all up, the comments sounded pretty positive :-) GordyLife is currently a beach
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring"
Scores are up at http://www.casl.net/swc_data/06scores.html Thanks for coming out and see you next time. Paul On 2/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi guys, Well I made it from snowing Atlanta today to Puerto Vallartawere it is not snowing :-) Sitting on the beach typing this note. Everyone here is wondering about what fun everyone had at the SWC this weekend...well at least I think that's what all the chatter is about(they tend to speak Spanish here). In any case I think one of them was talking about how well Don Richmonds internal pushrods worked on his Supra, and how he was getting a lot of envious looks from other guys who have 'outies'. And I think there was some funny reports on wild landings and flip oversbut again, it was all in Spanish. I guess if you 'add em' all up, the comments sounded pretty positive :-) GordyLife is currently a beach
Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" supra
Gordy, You should read about the various builds of the Supra started by Doug Barry here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=429879 Internal pushrods work great. I think starting on page 7 or 8 or later Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Hi guys, Well I made it from snowing Atlanta today to Puerto Vallartawere it is not snowing :-) Sitting on the beach typing this note. Everyone here is wondering about what fun everyone had at the SWC this weekend...well at least I think that's what all the chatter is about(they tend to speak Spanish here). In any case I think one of them was talking about how well Don Richmonds internal pushrods worked on his Supra, and how he was getting a lot of envious looks from other guys who have 'outies'. And I think there was some funny reports on wild landings and flip oversbut again, it was all in Spanish. I guess if you 'add em' all up, the comments sounded pretty positive :-) GordyLife is currently a beach
[RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring"
Hi guys, Well I made it from snowing Atlanta today to Puerto Vallartawere it is not snowing :-) Sitting on the beach typing this note. Everyone here is wondering about what fun everyone had at the SWC this weekend...well at least I think that's what all the chatter is about(they tend to speak Spanish here). In any case I think one of them was talking about how well Don Richmonds internal pushrods worked on his Supra, and how he was getting a lot of envious looks from other guys who have 'outies'. And I think there was some funny reports on wild landings and flip oversbut again, it was all in Spanish. I guess if you 'add em' all up, the comments sounded pretty positive :-) GordyLife is currently a beach
Re: [RCSE] Results posted - HLG contest in NC
At 11:42 AM 11/30/2002, Oleg Golovidov wrote: I posted the final scores and pictures from our contest in Wilson, NC on my web-site. Nice job, thanks for putting that online, I enjoyed it. It looks like you guys had a lot of fun. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Results posted - HLG contest in NC
I posted the final scores and pictures from our contest in Wilson, NC on my web-site. Please, check them out at http://olgol.com/contest/ The page with the pictures takes a very long time to load, even though I have reduced size files on the main page and full pictures can be viewed as links from the main page. So please be patient when loading it. I may try to reduce the file sizes even further. Pilots, send me your corrections if you find any mistakes in my commentaries to the pictures! Enjoy the reports and the pictures, and come to our contest next year! Oleg. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Results
>Have the Mid-South complete results been posted yet? I got the TD, RES, and Team scores, but the handlaunch and nostalgia scores weren't sent to me. Here is what I have... Mid-South 2001 Scores -- Unlimited Thermal Duration Ed Slegers (expert)8409 Oleg Golovidov (expert)8402 Herb Rindfleisch (expert) 8393 James Brittin (expert) 8228 Scotty Meader (expert) 8140 Randall Chronic (expert) 8059 Gerald Baxter (expert) 8043 Jack Strother (expert) 8042 Mark Gellart (expert) 8027 Rick Eckel (expert)7979 David Enete (sportsman) 7955 Brian Smith (expert) 7896 Johnny Berlin (expert) 7873 Don Cleveland (expert) 7872 Art Frost (gray cup)7840 Buddy Roos (expert)7747 Kendall McDonald (expert) 7721 Jon Stone (expert) 7676 Gordy Stahl (expert) 7640 Tom Kwiatkowski (sportsman) 7604 Scott Shaw (expert)7580 Harold Saunders (sportsman) 7511 A.J. Wilson (expert) 7424 Mike Kovacs (sportsman) 7387 Ted Nickson (expert) 7355 Tom Scully (expert)7286 Morris McKenna (gray cup) 7235 Tom Cobb (gray cup) 7233 Ben Cleveland (gray cup)7116 Bill Jenkins (expert) 7113 Curtis Smith (expert) 7104 Rob Glover (expert)7057 Ron Swinehart (expert) 6949 Edwin Wilson (expert) 6889 Russ Behr (expert) 6841 Steve Siebenaler (expert) 6781 Paul Perret (expert) 6762 Michael Hines (expert) 6757 Chuck Robinett (sportsman) 6743 Joseph Dirr (sportsman) 6657 Victor Yeung (expert) 6595 Paul Behr (expert) 6561 Stanley Koch (gray cup) 6425 Sam Fara (expert) 6408 Ron Allen (expert) 6287 Joe Ruminski (expert) 6178 Tom Long (gray cup) 6144 R.D. Smith (expert)6019 Howard Keller (expert) 5905 Christian Caspers (sportsman) 5841 Steve Addison (expert) 5610 Chuck Anderson (gray cup) 4886 David Campbell (expert)3571 Jim Larkin (gray cup) 3521 Barry Mohl (gray cup) 2218 -- R.E.S. Joe Burns 4944 David Shaw 5584 -- Team Competition "Tullahoma Tulips" Rindfleisch, B. Smith, McDonald: 24010 "NASA-2" AJ Wilson, Chronic, Enete: 23438 "NJSS" Cleveland, Slegers, Robinett: 23023 "Team MSS" Meader, Stone, Swinehart: 22765 "Florida Boys" Baxter, Yeung, Eckel: 22617 "Sun One" Koch, Brittin, Stahl: 22294 "Butch" Berlin, Dirr, Saunders: 22042 "Tone Deaf Pig Dogs" Siebenaler, Gellart, Glover: 21864 "VST" Shaw, Hines, Scully: 21622 "LSF" Strother, Edwin Wilson, Allen: 21218 "NASA Seniors" Roos, Long, Cobb: 21124 -- (excuse the mess if you see junky layout, I just did it as text and added the pre-formatted tag to help some mail programs) - David [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Results from May 12 Seattle HLG contest
As always, another beautiful day in Seattle! We had light, variable winds for the first couple of rounds in the morning, and as the day progressed the winds came up from the south, but just enough to move the floaters down the field. The thermals were big in the morning but became smaller and harder to find as the day progressed. 16 pilots were out to fly and another 5 or so in the club had lame excuses (like dislocated shoulders), so we've got a really great group of HLG'ers in the area and we're always growing! Out for his first outing was Jay Allison with a Sidewinder, he managed to find a thermal or two and I hope, have a good time! We had one soldier make it in from Tri-Cities, Glenn Whitcomb, and he was happy to add his Sidewinder into the fray. The best piloting for the day was put in by Paul McKee with his own designed Fire Eagle. Paul must have been flying really high, because I don't remember seeing him more than a couple of times in the air the entire day! Phil Pearson was back in the groove and fought to second place with his own design Encore. I managed a 3rd with my Ionosphere for four rounds and flew three rounds with the Dizzy Bird prototype (59" EPP HLG). The rest of the contestants ranked as follows: Pilot Plane Airfoil #1000 pts Final Score Paul McKee Fire Eagle (own design) AG16-AG18 5 6695 Phil PearsonEncore (own design) Secret 2 6484 Adam Weston Ionosphere (own design) Try12A 3 6327 Mark Bryan Tweener AG161 6169 Dave Beardslee Tweener AG163 6118 Jim Pearson Sunspot/Encore S6063 3 6024 Dick Barker Uplink 58 (own design) Uplink003 2 5987 Ole SkotvoldTweener AG160 5963 Tim Johnson Cosmos (own design) AG041 5876 Jonathan Bryan Tweener (own design)AG160 5876 Lauren Anstead Uplink 58 SD7037mod 0 5671 Russ Young Tweener AG161 5617 Bruce Kimball Terminator SD6063 1 5344 Glenn Whitcomb Sidewinder S6063mod0 5286 Tim Naugler Uplink 58/Orbiter2 Uplink003 0 5017 Jay Allison Sidewinder S6063mod0 4140 Thanks to Thermal-Gromit Works (www.tgworks.com) for donating door prizes: a Downer model down alarm, a 5 piece CA set, and 2 eat-sleep-fly T-shirts. Our next HLG contest will be July 14th. Also, keep August 11th and 12th open for the Pacific Northwest Hand Launch Glider Regional competition. Keep checking Thermal-Gromit Works' and SASS's website (www.seattlesoaring.org/sass) for details on this exciting two day HLG contest (or email [EMAIL PROTECTED])! Thermals, RED -- Adam Weston Seattle, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Results/thanksV/Standard tail question
I got a lot of response on the standard/Vtail question, thanks to every body who responded. From the responses, many said they felt Vs-w/proper set up work just fine. Also they may be the cleaner configuration aerodynamically, they are very pretty, and many times lighter(although w/todays modern construction methods it is possible to make a very light/strong standard tail plane- the Addiction being a prime example). Also it seems many of the planes flying today are from or of European design. Unlike the USA, the Europeans dont emphasize landings like we do so they tend to use Vs as the emphasis is on soaring, not landing. I agree w/this. And also during the landing phase(which makes/breaks the winners/placers in many contests) perhaps the standard tail gives one better control during this phase when plane is flying slow, using flaps, etc. So I guess its a toss up- do you want a slight advantage while soaring or while in the landing phase? For me, because of ease of set up, better control on landing, construction methods making a standard tail plane just as light as a V, I think my next plane will be cruciform. thanks again, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Results from a HLG launch analysis
If I may add some of my ignorance here. It appears to me running is a perceived advantage and not necessary additive to the extend next to 1:1. As I cannot see how the system speed at the end of a run up can be maintained while posting for the final acceleration phase. What I mean is that we can either run properly, post properly, or missing those together properly. About the methodology, I might have missed one significant point some where in the posted analysis Cris made, probably embedded in his Mathlab scrips. That deceleration will take place during the pull up phase where centrifugal force (16Gs?) adds to wing loading will come out as added induced drag and therefore deceleration, is it explicitly stated in the report? If we conceive that over shoulder acceleration is the only style, consider the disc style. YK Chan Seattle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Results from a HLG launch analysis
Mark, When I did the analysis versus mass (and also versus throw angle) I was aware that assuming a constant throw speed wasn't realistic, however I didn't have a better alternative. I like the approach you've presented and have redone the analysis versus mass and aspect for this throw model. The website has been updated with the new results. http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ You're right up to a point in saying that lighter models will inherently launch higher using this model. The results indicate that there is actually an optimal weight for a given design, and if you go much lighter then launch height suffers badly. However, with current construction techniques I don't think you can build down to this weight and still have a model strong enough to throw at full power (at least for a 1.5m span RC HLG). Also, the optimal weight for max launch height increases with wind speed, so now we can justify ballast for HLG's on the basis of launch as well as penetration when the wind gets up. Ciao - Chris ** Chris Kaiser Auckland, NEW ZEALAND http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2000 7:53 p.m. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [RCSE] Results from a HLG launch analysis > > > Chris, > > Nice presentation. > > The only beef I have is the assumption of a given > velocity independent of the glider weight. This > is clearly inappropriate. I think a better assumption > is to assume a fixed muscular energy output, which > would correspond to fixed (maximum) muscle forces > acting over some fixed throwing motion. This energy > shows up as kinetic energy of the glider and the arm > at the moment of release. > >E = 0.5 (m + m_arm) V^2 > > This gives the launch velocity in terms of glider mass m: > >V = sqrt( 2 E / (m + m_arm) ) > > I estimate m_arm = 1 kg as the effective mass of the > hand and forearm, and E = 300 J seems like a reasonable > energy for a strong throw. You can get fancier > and assume that there is also a running speed > which adds to the throw independent of the glider weight. > In this case you would have > > V = sqrt( 2 E / (m + m_arm) ) + V_run > > Whatever. > > In your parametric variation of the glider weight, > I suggest fixing m_arm and E, and set V from one of > the relations above rather than fixing it. You'll find > that lighter gliders launch inherently higher now, > which I think is what most people observe. > > > -- > - Mark Drela > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Results from a HLG launch analysis
From: John Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Chris, > > An excellent and thorough examination of the launch profile. > Your formulas > bear out what seems to be seen at the contests. Thank you for > all your hard work! Thanks for the positive feedback! > I would like to add another category: The effect of Ibuprofen. > Is it best > taken before or after a contest? :) Well, according to a website I found: "if you drink more than three alcoholic beverages a day, ibuprofen may increase the risk of stomach bleeding." Sounds like it's best avoided totally on contest days :-) Ciao - Chris ** Chris Kaiser Auckland, NEW ZEALAND http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ From: "Chris Kaiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all, > > A few weeks back I finally got around to writing a computer > > model of a RC HLG launch. Since the topic has come up again, > > it motivated me to format the results for the web. > > > > The results of interest to most people will probably be the > > effects of various throw speeds, throw angles, climb angles, > > pullup rates, etc. These are in graphical and table form. > > > > The recent discussion on drag also motivated me to modify > > my code slightly so I could extract and graph the various > > drag coefficients (induced, profile and parasitic) during > > the launch. The results are interesting... > > > > You can check it all out at: > > http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ > > > > I'd welcome any feedback. > > > > Ciao - Chris > > > > ** > > Chris Kaiser > > Auckland, NEW ZEALAND > > http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and > > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Results from a HLG launch analysis
Chris, An excellent and thorough examination of the launch profile. Your formulas bear out what seems to be seen at the contests. Thank you for all your hard work! I would like to add another category: The effect of Ibuprofen. Is it best taken before or after a contest? :) JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA > From: "Chris Kaiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:53:20 +1200 > To: "NZ Soaring List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Soaring List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Quiet Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mark Drela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Derek > Boyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JoeWurts@csi. com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Jason Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [RCSE] Results from a HLG launch analysis > > Hi all, > A few weeks back I finally got around to writing a computer > model of a RC HLG launch. Since the topic has come up again, > it motivated me to format the results for the web. > > The results of interest to most people will probably be the > effects of various throw speeds, throw angles, climb angles, > pullup rates, etc. These are in graphical and table form. > > The recent discussion on drag also motivated me to modify > my code slightly so I could extract and graph the various > drag coefficients (induced, profile and parasitic) during > the launch. The results are interesting... > > You can check it all out at: > http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ > > I'd welcome any feedback. > > Ciao - Chris > > ** > Chris Kaiser > Auckland, NEW ZEALAND > http://www.rcmodels.com/clubs/asfcnz/ > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Results
At 08:39 PM 6/24/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Dudes > > Any one have any results from handlaunch yesterday at the Mid South? My OFB Steve Meyer took first in HLG with a poly Logic. In second place was Oleg. (I dare not try to spell his last name... 8-) ) Third place went to the local LASS HLG stud, Bruce Davidson, also flying a poly Logic. >How >about todays TD results?? Sat. Again, my OFB Steve Meyer was in the zone, 1st place with a Renaud Designs Emerald Pro. 2nd place was to my friend Capn' Jack Strother with his Millenium. 3rd place went to Ed Sleger. Sun. 1st Cal Postuma 2nd Karl Miller (Club SOAR scores wood again!!!) 3rd Steve Siebenaler Weekend overall went to Ed Sleger. Very nice flying, Ed The flying was very tough each day with weather conditions constantly changing, model carnage was MASSIVE, there were also guys landing way off down wind. And it was way too much fun, but I will post all that stuff in another post! 8-) Back home in Chicago with a SEG, Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of Chicago SOAR club ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
