Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Don Harris had a 3 1/2 hour flight at the first Wood Crafters event in 2002. WC has always had the Longest flight event and what makes it work is the entries are limited to one entry per ch. This allows pilots to fly at will. Other Woody contests in the east have had the same task. I think it is a neat event to get LSF Achievement duration goals completed. The Woody only 2005 New Years Postal contest task is the longest flight... SOAR's Richard Burnoski and Eric Stenson have entered this year's Postal. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion > At 04:23 PM 12/2/2004, William E. Johns wrote: > >Interesting thought. Has anyone ever had a "competition" for a day or a > >weekend where the idea was to log the longest single flight? Launch as > >many times as you wished. > > > I thought Ray Hayes CD'ed something along those lines for a woody contest > at one time, I could be mistaken. > > > > >What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, > >no slope factor involved. > > Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF > tasks, I being one of those pilots. > > > > Jim > Downers Grove, IL > Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV > ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Here is a limit of a different kind. Last summer I flew the 2Meter contest in Grand Rapids Michigan. I managed to gain 3000 feet six minutes. (3421feet to be exact) I bailed at about 3200 to land for a 10 min Max. The Piccolario lady was taking to me all the sweet sounds a numbers to me we all like to hear. Troy Lawiki was timing for me and extra sets of eyes helping spotting the disappearing glider. I did managed to dive 3200 in less then two minutes and land on time. I have to say It was great flight. only for Troy to out fly me the next round and go to over 4000 feet..I hate to be second . Peter" RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 06:37 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: Steve Meyer was flying an Escape, It's getting harder and harder to remember things... dang, 8-) Meyer was flying his SBXC that day with a Telario or Picolario and the autopilot system... I think I remembered that correctly... 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Just over 8 hours. Our club helped out Gary Itner while he was flying his own design Little Pigeon, a ~16 ft XC model, at the SFVSF club field in Northridge, California in 1982. We were doing thermal duration record attempts and Gary got a good one that day. I think I set a 2-meter record that day too. His famous line at the end of the flight was (TIC), "here's another day when I come to the flying field and only get one flight in." ;-) Norm PBSS Ex-SFVSF -Original Message- From: Bill Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion Let's tighten up the definition here just a bit and say for someone flying from a fixed location, not XC, how long has anyone kept a plane up. So far the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Thanks, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
One aspect of R/C soaring has some official data recorded for timed flights standing in one spot. You might be surprised how difficult it is to stay up for an hour on any given day; The Scale Soaring Gold Medal program proves just that. At Venues all over the U.S and Canada, from Visalia to Los Banos to the JR Aerotow to the NATS XC event (scale XC) Check it out. These are timed (verified by second party) flights at public events. This years program was a popular success, if you fly scale sailplanes, try it for yourself next year. Here is the excel sheet with info. Click on times link when visiting this page. http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/scalesoaringgold.htm Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Bill Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:01 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion > > At 03:20 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: > >Let me rephrase my posts so nobodys feathers get ruffled, I thought Bill > >John's post was referring to PERSONALLY witnessed, not that Joe's flight > >wasn't witnessed, it obviously was and certainly a historic flight. > > Nah, let's not get too technical. I was simply referring to a witnessed, > not "a friend of a friend told me that" kinda flight. JW's flight is > certainly valid. So how long was that? > > I would think, and someone has suggested this, that given the very best of > days and a good plane and a support team and a large battery pack, one > could theoretically stay up from shortly after sunup when thermals start > generating until near sunset when thermals start deteriorating. > > Let's tighten up the definition here just a bit and say for someone flying > from a fixed location, not XC, how long has anyone kept a plane up. So > far > the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Most impressive. What type of > plane was used for this flight? What time of year? > > (My neck gets sore after about 25 minutes. I presume folks sit down and > lean back a bit.) > > Thanks, > > Bill Johns > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note > that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format > with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 06:01 PM 12/2/2004, Bill Johns wrote: So far the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Most impressive. What type of plane was used for this flight? What time of year? Mark Howard emailed me back and said Skip was flying a SBXC or a Saggitta XC, he wasn't sure. That's all I know about it, but 5 hours is impressive. (My neck gets sore after about 25 minutes. I presume folks sit down and lean back a bit.) The two hour flights we flew this summer were with Unlimited TD models and a RES model. I was flying an ICON lite, Steve Meyer was flying an Escape, and Wayne Fredette was flying a Chicago Style RES. All of us were specked when we made our task time and decided to land to make it count, so we all could have gone longer. But any LSF V has seen and been over two hours in TD flight, so there are over a hundred guys that have "been there and done that". And for that matter, there are a number of LSF IV's that have witnessed that task, or also have completed that task like myself. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 03:20 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: Let me rephrase my posts so nobodys feathers get ruffled, I thought Bill John's post was referring to PERSONALLY witnessed, not that Joe's flight wasn't witnessed, it obviously was and certainly a historic flight. Nah, let's not get too technical. I was simply referring to a witnessed, not "a friend of a friend told me that" kinda flight. JW's flight is certainly valid. So how long was that? I would think, and someone has suggested this, that given the very best of days and a good plane and a support team and a large battery pack, one could theoretically stay up from shortly after sunup when thermals start generating until near sunset when thermals start deteriorating. Let's tighten up the definition here just a bit and say for someone flying from a fixed location, not XC, how long has anyone kept a plane up. So far the longest I've seen posted is 5 hours. Most impressive. What type of plane was used for this flight? What time of year? (My neck gets sore after about 25 minutes. I presume folks sit down and lean back a bit.) Thanks, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
- What is the duration limit for a pure thermal (no slope assist) duration flight? Well theoretically . . . . With unlimited funds and unlimited technology including semi-autonomous flight, solar-or-otherwise recharging power system, and night thermals - indefinitely ;-) With current technologies, good weather, great batteries, good eyes and great endurance - from sunrise to sunset. Roughly 15 hours on June 21st at North American latitudes! A catheter and support team would also be needed. "My bag needs to be emptied." "Aww, I just did that." ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. I recall an account Joe Wurts wrote of one of his cross country flights. I think he stayed up a large part of a day - certainly more than two hours. Wouldn't that count as a TD flight? RVC RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Let me rephrase my posts so nobodys feathers get ruffled, I thought Bill John's post was referring to PERSONALLY witnessed, not that Joe's flight wasn't witnessed, it obviously was and certainly a historic flight. At 04:47 PM 12/2/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: I've read about Joe's XC flight before, but he asked that people have witnessed. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
I've read about Joe's XC flight before, but he asked that people have witnessed. Was Skip's flight a XC flight, or with his scale ship, or... ? At 04:40 PM 12/2/2004, Howard Mark wrote: Skip did over 5 hours at the club field a few years ago. I believe Joe's XC record flight was more than that. I routinely do 3-4 hours with my XC plane Mark >What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, >no slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
Skip did over 5 hours at the club field a few years ago. I believe Joe's XC record flight was more than that. I routinely do 3-4 hours with my XC plane Mark >What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, >no >slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 04:23 PM 12/2/2004, William E. Johns wrote: Interesting thought. Has anyone ever had a "competition" for a day or a weekend where the idea was to log the longest single flight? Launch as many times as you wished. I thought Ray Hayes CD'ed something along those lines for a woody contest at one time, I could be mistaken. What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Just over two hours, I saw at least three of those in 2004 working LSF tasks, I being one of those pilots. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 02:10 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote: As I get older, I find my own limits getting a bit more conservative. Reflecting on this prompts a proposed discussion on certain limits in R/C soaring. When posting a comment, keep it to a particular limit. Comments on the factors determining the limit would be appreciated. - What is the duration limit for a pure thermal (no slope assist) duration flight? Interesting thought. Has anyone ever had a "competition" for a day or a weekend where the idea was to log the longest single flight? Launch as many times as you wished. What is the longest actually timed TD flight anyone has witnessed, again, no slope factor involved. Bill Johns Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Limits in R/C Soaring - a proposed discussion
At 4:10 PM -0600 12/2/04, Jim Deck wrote: - What is the limit of the current speed task in F3B? Skill, Luck..but luck usually come with practice as in the more practice you have, the luckier you are. - Is there an ultimate limit for DS speeds? If so what defines it? See above - What is the duration limit for a pure thermal (no slope assist) duration flight? See above Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
