RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Angus Davidson]

By putting money into Blender projects instead of Autodesk Subs you can build 
the application you want.



From: Alan Fregtman [alan.fregt...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 March 2014 08:17 AM
To: XSI Mailing List
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!


Blender? :p

On Mar 4, 2014 11:32 PM, "Kris Rivel" 
mailto:krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source 
version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff we 
ever wanted.  I know I'm dreaming..

Kris


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling 
mailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be expecting the 
paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P


On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi 
mailto:ericla...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great products. 
They think that they can cut all of that development and support, it's a win 
win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have any other 
product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and add seats to 
Maya.

Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares 
mailto:jordiba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Astonishing… truly astonishing…

And I wonder… what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first 
class product… are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation 
guys and management?

Are we talking about what… a little fraction of the profits may be?

truly incredible.

Jordi Bares
jordiba...@gmail.com<mailto:jordiba...@gmail.com>

On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling 
mailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage 
for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire 
pipeline in max or maya...

Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate 
everything minus the meshes...


On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy 
mailto:x...@colorshopvfx.dk>> wrote:
Thanks for clarifying Maurice.



Morten



Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel 
mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>>:

> Yes this is the case.
> Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is 
> there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are 
> not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will 
> have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but 
> basically boil down to:
>
> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by 
> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was 
> discussed elsewhere
>
> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that 
> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You 
> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions 
> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. 
> Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya 
> (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>
> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - 
> you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever 
> release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>
> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when 
> we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only 
> subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>
> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, 
> we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the 
> Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses 
> that you can maintain to access older projects
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>  On Behalf Of Peter Agg
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>
> I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a 
> product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support 
> for it.
> Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.
>
> On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel 
> mailto:krisri..

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Alan Fregtman]

Blender? :p
 On Mar 4, 2014 11:32 PM, "Kris Rivel"  wrote:

> Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source
> version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff
> we ever wanted.  I know I'm dreaming..
>
> Kris
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling <
> sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be
>> expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P
>>
>>
>> On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi  wrote:
>>
>>> It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great
>>> products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support,
>>> it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have
>>> any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and
>>> add seats to Maya.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
>>>
>>> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares wrote:
>>>
>>>> Astonishing... truly astonishing...
>>>>
>>>> And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a
>>>> first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and
>>>> documentation guys and management?
>>>>
>>>> Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be?
>>>>
>>>> truly incredible.
>>>>
>>>>  Jordi Bares
>>>> jordiba...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling <
>>>> sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into
>>>> Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their
>>>> entire pipeline in max or maya...
>>>>
>>>> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate
>>>> everything minus the meshes...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks for clarifying Maurice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Morten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel <
>>>>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Yes this is the case.
>>>>> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The
>>>>> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support
>>>>> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you
>>>>> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several
>>>>> threads but basically boil down to:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity,
>>>>> either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of
>>>>> which was discussed elsewhere
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license
>>>>> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds 
>>>>> Max).
>>>>> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license
>>>>> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can 
>>>>> migrate
>>>>> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending
>>>>> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing
>>>>> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in
>>>>> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two
>>>>> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
>>>>> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after
>>>>> two years, we recommend that you not transition all your s

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Stephan Hempel]

I have always had the impression that at Autodesk more lawyers are
employed then developers. This seems to prove it. Ohh I hate lawyers!
They make the world so complicated!

By the way can Autodesk be sued for damages for nonperformance? At
least the big studios have a mayor financial damage by this situation
(rebuilding their piplines, transitioning assets, retraining personnel).
But I guess they are not eligible for transitioning if they are doing
so.

Stephan.

> Hi Jens,
> Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is
> the case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer
> free software was conditional on customers fully transitioning
> either 3ds Max and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these
> conditions were imposed by the revenue accounting guidelines we follow.
> Maurice

> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

> @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite
> Premium license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate 
> Suite.
> Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using
> Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new
> fucking Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
> I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.

> /Jens



> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapman
> mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort
> this particular piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..

> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or
> is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE 
> plugin perhaps?

> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful
> bits  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up
> in 2016?  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any
> other software that autodesk currently offers.






> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold
> mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
>  wrote:
> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people
> contacted their government representative about Autodesk's
> anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.

> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a
> little government oversight / investigation?

> -Paul

> [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]?



> --
> Jens Lindgren
> --
> Lead Technical Director
> Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Kris Rivel]

Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source
version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff
we ever wanted.  I know I'm dreaming..

Kris


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling <
sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be
> expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P
>
>
> On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi  wrote:
>
>> It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great
>> products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support,
>> it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have
>> any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and
>> add seats to Maya.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
>>
>> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares  wrote:
>>
>>> Astonishing... truly astonishing...
>>>
>>> And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a
>>> first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and
>>> documentation guys and management?
>>>
>>> Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be?
>>>
>>> truly incredible.
>>>
>>>  Jordi Bares
>>> jordiba...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling <
>>> sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into
>>> Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their
>>> entire pipeline in max or maya...
>>>
>>> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate
>>> everything minus the meshes...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Thanks for clarifying Maurice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Morten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel <
>>>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>>>>
>>>> > Yes this is the case.
>>>> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The
>>>> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support
>>>> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you
>>>> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several
>>>> threads but basically boil down to:
>>>> >
>>>> > -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either
>>>> by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
>>>> discussed elsewhere
>>>> >
>>>> > -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license
>>>> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max).
>>>> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license
>>>> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate
>>>> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending
>>>> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>>>> >
>>>> > o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing
>>>> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in
>>>> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>>>> >
>>>> > o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two
>>>> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
>>>> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>>>> >
>>>> > o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
>>>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not
>>>> keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few
>>>> licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>>>> > Maurice
>>>> >
>>>> > Maurice Patel
>>>> > Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>>>> >
>>>> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>>>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter A

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Sebastien Sterling]

Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be expecting
the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P


On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi  wrote:

> It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great
> products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support,
> it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have
> any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and
> add seats to Maya.
>
> Eric
>
> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
>
> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares  wrote:
>
>> Astonishing... truly astonishing...
>>
>> And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a
>> first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and
>> documentation guys and management?
>>
>> Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be?
>>
>> truly incredible.
>>
>>  Jordi Bares
>> jordiba...@gmail.com
>>
>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into
>> Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their
>> entire pipeline in max or maya...
>>
>> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate
>> everything minus the meshes...
>>
>>
>> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks for clarifying Maurice.
>>>
>>>
>>> Morten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel <
>>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>>>
>>> > Yes this is the case.
>>> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The
>>> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support
>>> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you
>>> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several
>>> threads but basically boil down to:
>>> >
>>> > -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either
>>> by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
>>> discussed elsewhere
>>> >
>>> > -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license
>>> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max).
>>> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license
>>> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate
>>> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending
>>> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>>> >
>>> > o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing
>>> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in
>>> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>>> >
>>> > o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two
>>> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
>>> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>>> >
>>> > o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
>>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not
>>> keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few
>>> licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>>> > Maurice
>>> >
>>> > Maurice Patel
>>> > Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>>> >
>>> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>>> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>>> >
>>> > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell
>>> you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of
>>> support for it.
>>> > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.
>>> >
>>> > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel >> krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So
>>> if you want to con

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Eric Lampi]

It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great
products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support,
it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have
any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and
add seats to Maya.

Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares  wrote:

> Astonishing... truly astonishing...
>
> And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a
> first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and
> documentation guys and management?
>
> Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be?
>
> truly incredible.
>
> Jordi Bares
> jordiba...@gmail.com
>
> On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling 
> wrote:
>
> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into
> Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their
> entire pipeline in max or maya...
>
> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate
> everything minus the meshes...
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for clarifying Maurice.
>>
>>
>> Morten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel <
>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>>
>> > Yes this is the case.
>> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The
>> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support
>> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you
>> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several
>> threads but basically boil down to:
>> >
>> > -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either
>> by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
>> discussed elsewhere
>> >
>> > -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license
>> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max).
>> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license
>> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate
>> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending
>> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>> >
>> > o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing
>> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in
>> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>> >
>> > o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two
>> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
>> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>> >
>> > o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not
>> keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few
>> licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>> > Maurice
>> >
>> > Maurice Patel
>> > Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>> >
>> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>> >
>> > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you
>> a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of
>> support for it.
>> > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.
>> >
>> > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel > krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So
>> if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the
>> right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me
>> this an error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to
>> either one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be
>> revised.
>> >
>> > Kris
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren <
>> jens.lindgren@gmail.com<mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > My translation of it:
>> > "If you want t

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Sebastien,
You should have had a briefing from Autodesk if you have a significant 
investment in Softimage. We pre-briefed most of our large accounts prior to the 
announcement which is in part why the rumors started. If you or your company 
has not been contacted you can email me your contact information and I will 
pass it on to our Sales team
maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sebastien Sterling
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:12 PM
To: Morten Bartholdy; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage 
for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire 
pipeline in max or maya...
Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate 
everything minus the meshes...

On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy 
mailto:x...@colorshopvfx.dk>> wrote:

Thanks for clarifying Maurice.



Morten



Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel 
mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>>:

> Yes this is the case.
> Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is 
> there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are 
> not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will 
> have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but 
> basically boil down to:
>
> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by 
> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was 
> discussed elsewhere
>
> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that 
> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You 
> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions 
> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. 
> Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya 
> (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>
> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - 
> you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever 
> release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>
> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when 
> we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only 
> subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>
> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, 
> we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the 
> Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses 
> that you can maintain to access older projects
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>  On Behalf Of Peter Agg
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>
> I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a 
> product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support 
> for it.
> Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.
>
> On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel 
> mailto:krisri...@gmail.com><mailto:krisri...@gmail.com<mailto:krisri...@gmail.com>>>
>  wrote:
> Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So if you 
> want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to 
> upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me this an 
> error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either 
> one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be revised.
>
> Kris
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren 
> mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com><mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com<mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>>>
>  wrote:
> My translation of it:
> "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the 
> Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have 
> had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a 
> license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants 
> and bend over."
>
> /Jens
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale 
> mailto:ad

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Jordi Bares]

Astonishing… truly astonishing…

And I wonder… what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first 
class product… are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation 
guys and management?

Are we talking about what… a little fraction of the profits may be?

truly incredible.

Jordi Bares
jordiba...@gmail.com

On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling  
wrote:

> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage 
> for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire 
> pipeline in max or maya...
> 
> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate 
> everything minus the meshes...
> 
> 
> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying Maurice. 
>  
> Morten
>  
> 
> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel : 
> 
> > Yes this is the case. 
> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause 
> > is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we 
> > are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now 
> > will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads 
> > but basically boil down to: 
> > 
> > -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by 
> > itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was 
> > discussed elsewhere 
> > 
> > -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that 
> > allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You 
> > will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions 
> > like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no 
> > cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on 
> > whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: 
> > 
> > o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - 
> > you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever 
> > release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) 
> > 
> > o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years 
> > when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds 
> > Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. 
> > 
> > o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two 
> > years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not 
> > keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few 
> > licenses that you can maintain to access older projects 
> > Maurice 
> > 
> > Maurice Patel 
> > Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134 
> > 
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM 
> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! 
> > 
> > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a 
> > product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support 
> > for it. 
> > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. 
> > 
> > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel 
> > mailto:krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
> > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So if 
> > you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the 
> > right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me 
> > this an error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to 
> > either one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be 
> > revised. 
> > 
> > Kris 
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren 
> > mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>> wrote: 
> > My translation of it: 
> > "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the 
> > Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have 
> > had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a 
> > license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your 
> > pants and bend over." 
> > 
> > /Jens 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale 
> > mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
> > I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and 
> > projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. 
> > This is a completel

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Eric Turman]

At that point let the licenses lapse and purchase a current version of the
best out-of-box solution when you need to...or roll your own. It does not
make sense to throw away money on something that you will not use for many
years.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Sebastien Sterling <
sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into
> Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their
> entire pipeline in max or maya...
>
> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate
> everything minus the meshes...
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
>
>>   Thanks for clarifying Maurice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Morten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel <
>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>>
>> > Yes this is the case.
>> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The
>> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support
>> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you
>> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several
>> threads but basically boil down to:
>> >
>> > -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either
>> by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
>> discussed elsewhere
>> >
>> > -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license
>> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max).
>> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license
>> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate
>> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending
>> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>> >
>> > o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing
>> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in
>> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>> >
>> > o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two
>> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
>> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>> >
>> > o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not
>> keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few
>> licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>> > Maurice
>> >
>> > Maurice Patel
>> > Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>> >
>> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>> >
>> > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you
>> a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of
>> support for it.
>> > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.
>> >
>> > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel > krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So
>> if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the
>> right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me
>> this an error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to
>> either one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be
>> revised.
>> >
>> > Kris
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren <
>> jens.lindgren@gmail.com<mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > My translation of it:
>> > "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying
>> the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you
>> have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy
>> a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your
>> pants and bend over."
>> >
>> > /Jens
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale > adamfs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit o

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Sebastien Sterling]

Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into
Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their
entire pipeline in max or maya...

Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate
everything minus the meshes...


On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:

>   Thanks for clarifying Maurice.
>
>
>
> Morten
>
>
>
>
> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel <
> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>
> > Yes this is the case.
> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The
> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support
> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you
> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several
> threads but basically boil down to:
> >
> > -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by
> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
> discussed elsewhere
> >
> > -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that
> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You
> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions
> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no
> cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on
> whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
> >
> > o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription
> - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at
> whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
> >
> > o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years
> when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
> >
> > o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not
> keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few
> licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
> > Maurice
> >
> > Maurice Patel
> > Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
> >
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
> >
> > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you
> a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of
> support for it.
> > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.
> >
> > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel  krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So
> if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the
> right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me
> this an error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to
> either one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be
> revised.
> >
> > Kris
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren <
> jens.lindgren@gmail.com<mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > My translation of it:
> > "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying
> the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you
> have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy
> a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your
> pants and bend over."
> >
> > /Jens
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale  adamfs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
> > This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
> > Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
> the old licenses around?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn  <mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
> >
> > "Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
> depending on your initial choice. If you 

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Morten Bartholdy]

Thanks for clarifying Maurice.

Morten



Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel
:

> Yes this is the case.
> Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The
clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support
which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you
make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several
threads but basically boil down to:
>
> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by
itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
discussed elsewhere
>
> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that
allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You
will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions
like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no
cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on
whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>
> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription
- you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at
whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>
> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years
when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.
>
> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not
keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few
licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>
> I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a
product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support
for it.
> Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.
>
> On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel
mailto:krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So if
you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the
right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me
this an error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to
either one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be
revised.
>
> Kris
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren
mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:
> My translation of it:
> "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying
the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you
have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy
a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your
pants and bend over."
>
> /Jens
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale
mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
> This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
> Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
the old licenses around?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn
mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>
> "Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya."
>
> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
projects INDEFINITELY.
> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont,
I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
ASAP, thanks.
>
>
>
> --
> Jens Lindgren
> --
> Lead Technical Director
> Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
>
>

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

If you transition you will be offered a new license for the bundle. As part of 
that transaction you will no longer be authorized to use your old license as 
per the transition agreement (because you are trading it in). If you are asking 
whether it is possible to enforce or whether we will enforce it I cannot 
comment publicly on that. Similarly in two years' time, if you are on 
Subscription, you will receive a new Maya or 3ds Max only license. If you 
choose not to install it nothing happens but you will not be able to run newer 
versions of either 3ds Max or Maya released after that date.

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Adam Sale
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:53 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: License to END if you migrate?!


Maurice.. can you explain to me how my 2014 node locked lic would be affected 
in two years if I decide to transition to maya? The lic would still work as 
soft doesnt check in to AD everytime I start up...

You guys really need to look at this... seriously..
On Mar 4, 2014 1:25 PM, "Eric Cosky" mailto:e...@cosky.com>> 
wrote:

+1. This is a fair & reasonable thing to expect after the many thousands of 
dollars invested in Softimage and the years of subscription fees. It would go a 
long ways towards alleviating my own frustration with the current situation.


From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Arvid Björn
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be 
included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my 
total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, 
you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose 
in order to keep some Softimage seats available.

It's simply unacceptable.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel 
mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:

Should be

-   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself 
or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed 
elsewhere

-   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows 
you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be 
able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite 
license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you 
migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) 
works for you or not:

o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you 
will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release 
version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when 
we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only 
subscription plan.

o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we 
recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the 
Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses 
that you can maintain to access older projects
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

<>

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

Yes but then ether would not be a free transition to Maya or 3ds Max
maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Christoph Muetze
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:36 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

Well, there is another way. You could do what Adobe did with CS2 a few month 
ago.

On 04/03/14 22:23, Maurice Patel wrote:
> Yes I do, but unfortunately that is the way it has to be if we want to 
> offer a free transition maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens 
> Lindgren
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:16 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>
> @Maurice: Yeah but you have to agree that it sounds insane for me to give up 
> my 3ds Max, Mudbox, Motionbuilder license, and then a buy a new one for full 
> retail price, just to be able to open old Softimage scenes in the future.
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jason S 
> mailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> revenue accounting guidelines
>
>
>
> On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote:
> Hi Jens,
> Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. 
> This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was 
> conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will 
> pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue 
> accounting guidelines we follow.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-bounces@listp
> roc.autodesk.com> 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-bounc
> e...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
> To: 
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>
> @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium 
> license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
> Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, 
> and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to 
> get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
> I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.
>
> /Jens
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob 
> Chapmanmailto:tekano@gmail.com><mailto:tekano@gmail.com<mailto:tekano@gmail.com>>>
>   wrote:
> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this 
> particular piece of greed&  bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>
>
> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max 
> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin 
> perhaps?
>
> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits  (and 
> made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?  because 
> they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk 
> currently offers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul 
> Griswoldmailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com><mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com<mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>>
>   wrote:
> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, 
> so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted their 
> government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / 
> monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>
> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little 
> government oversight / investigation?
>
> -Paul
>
> [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0
> YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8b
> c8-94b59c9df0b1]ᐧ<https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2x
> kQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea3
> 9e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1%5d%E1%90%A7>
>
>
>
> --
> Jens Lindgren
> --
> Lead Technical Director
> Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jens Lindgren
> --
> Lead Technical Director
> Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>

<>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Rob Chapman]

"ADSK has skirted through the gray area here by retaining Softimage for
over 5 years"

"Thereby insulating themselves of any antitrust litigation"

and suppose there was a healthy case of evidence contrary to this? with
plenty of first hand disgruntled witnesses along the way.. if the facts are
there and provable and support that this is blatantly what they intended
with the purchase and actually just announced, is that enough to warrant an
interest in a court proceedings by litigation lawyers? one of those 'you
lose you dont pay' kind of deals (because they start out with enough
evidence to win)?

 because as far as I understand the justice system, it's whomever has the
most expensive lawyers wins and one thing AD is not short of is cash.

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Adam Sale]

Maurice.. can you explain to me how my 2014 node locked lic would be
affected in two years if I decide to transition to maya? The lic would
still work as soft doesnt check in to AD everytime I start up...

You guys really need to look at this... seriously..
On Mar 4, 2014 1:25 PM, "Eric Cosky"  wrote:

>
>
> +1. This is a fair & reasonable thing to expect after the many thousands
> of dollars invested in Softimage and the years of subscription fees. It
> would go a long ways towards alleviating my own frustration with the
> current situation.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Arvid Björn
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:26 AM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>
>
>
> I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage
> version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to
> decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage
> projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones
> you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.
>
> It's simply unacceptable.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:
>
> Should be
>
>
> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by
> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
> discussed elsewhere
>
> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that
> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You
> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions
> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no
> cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on
> whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>
> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription -
> you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever
> release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>
> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years
> when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
> Max-only subscription plan.
>
> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do
> not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a
> few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Christoph Muetze]

Well, there is another way. You could do what Adobe did with CS2 a few 
month ago.


On 04/03/14 22:23, Maurice Patel wrote:

Yes I do, but unfortunately that is the way it has to be if we want to offer a 
free transition
maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:16 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

@Maurice: Yeah but you have to agree that it sounds insane for me to give up my 
3ds Max, Mudbox, Motionbuilder license, and then a buy a new one for full 
retail price, just to be able to open old Softimage scenes in the future.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jason S 
mailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
revenue accounting guidelines



On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote:
Hi Jens,
Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This 
really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was 
conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will 
pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue 
accounting guidelines we follow.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

@Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium 
license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, 
and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to 
get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.

/Jens



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob 
Chapmanmailto:tekano@gmail.com><mailto:tekano@gmail.com<mailto:tekano@gmail.com>>>
  wrote:
like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular 
piece of greed&  bullshit out. HAHAHA..


a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that 
gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps?

is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits  (and 
made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?  because they 
sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk 
currently offers.






On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul 
Griswoldmailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com><mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com<mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>>
  wrote:
I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so 
what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted their government 
representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic 
behavior, you'd see something happen.

Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little 
government oversight / investigation?

-Paul

[https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]ᐧ<https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1%5d%E1%90%A7>



--
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>





--
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Eric Cosky]

 

+1. This is a fair & reasonable thing to expect after the many thousands of
dollars invested in Softimage and the years of subscription fees. It would
go a long ways towards alleviating my own frustration with the current
situation.

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Arvid Björn
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

 

I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version
be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate
my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects,
you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will
loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.

It's simply unacceptable. 

 

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com> > wrote:

Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:

Should be


-   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by
itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
discussed elsewhere

-   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that
allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You
will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions
like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no
cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on
whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:

o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription -
you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever
release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)

o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years
when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
Max-only subscription plan.

o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years,
we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not
keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few
licenses that you can maintain to access older projects

Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134  



 

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Daniel Sweeney]

I can't believe what I'm reading. Wonder if anyone actually sat down and
thought about this properly?
On Mar 4, 2014 9:08 PM, "Jason S"  wrote:

> revenue accounting guidelines
>
>
> On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote:
>
>> Hi Jens,
>> Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the
>> case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free
>> software was conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max
>> and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by
>> the revenue accounting guidelines we follow.
>> Maurice
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@
>> listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>>
>> @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium
>> license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
>> Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using
>> Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking
>> Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
>> I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.
>>
>> /Jens
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapman> tekano@gmail.com>>  wrote:
>> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
>> particular piece of greed&  bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>>
>> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
>> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
>> perhaps?
>>
>> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
>>  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
>>  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
>> that autodesk currently offers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold> fusiondigitalproductions.com<mailto:pgriswold@
>> fusiondigitalproductions.com>>  wrote:
>> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
>> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
>> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
>> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>>
>> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
>> government oversight / investigation?
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0Y
>> Wxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-
>> 94b59c9df0b1]ᐧ<https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]%E1%90%A7>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jens Lindgren
>> --
>> Lead Technical Director
>> Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
>>
>>
>
>

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

Yes I do, but unfortunately that is the way it has to be if we want to offer a 
free transition
maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:16 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

@Maurice: Yeah but you have to agree that it sounds insane for me to give up my 
3ds Max, Mudbox, Motionbuilder license, and then a buy a new one for full 
retail price, just to be able to open old Softimage scenes in the future.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jason S 
mailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
revenue accounting guidelines



On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote:
Hi Jens,
Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This 
really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was 
conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will 
pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue 
accounting guidelines we follow.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

@Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium 
license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, 
and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to 
get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.

/Jens



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob 
Chapmanmailto:tekano@gmail.com><mailto:tekano@gmail.com<mailto:tekano@gmail.com>>>
  wrote:
like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular 
piece of greed&  bullshit out. HAHAHA..


a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that 
gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps?

is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits  (and 
made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?  because they 
sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk 
currently offers.






On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul 
Griswoldmailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com><mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com<mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>>
  wrote:
I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so 
what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted their government 
representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic 
behavior, you'd see something happen.

Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little 
government oversight / investigation?

-Paul

[https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]ᐧ<https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1%5d%E1%90%A7>



--
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>





--
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
<>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Jens Lindgren]

@Maurice: Yeah but you have to agree that it sounds insane for me to give
up my *3ds Max, Mudbox, Motionbuilder *license, and then a buy a new one
for full retail price, just to be able to open old Softimage scenes in the
future.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jason S  wrote:

> revenue accounting guidelines
>
>
>
> On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote:
>
>> Hi Jens,
>> Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the
>> case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free
>> software was conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max
>> and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by
>> the revenue accounting guidelines we follow.
>> Maurice
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@
>> listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!
>>
>> @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium
>> license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
>> Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using
>> Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking
>> Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
>> I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.
>>
>> /Jens
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapman> tekano@gmail.com>>  wrote:
>> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
>> particular piece of greed&  bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>>
>>
>> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
>> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
>> perhaps?
>>
>> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
>>  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
>>  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
>> that autodesk currently offers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold> fusiondigitalproductions.com<mailto:pgriswold@
>> fusiondigitalproductions.com>>  wrote:
>> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
>> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
>> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
>> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>>
>> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
>> government oversight / investigation?
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0Y
>> Wxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-
>> 94b59c9df0b1]ᐧ<https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]%E1%90%A7>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jens Lindgren
>> --
>> Lead Technical Director
>> Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios <http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Jason S]

revenue accounting guidelines


On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Jens,
Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This 
really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was 
conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will 
pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue 
accounting guidelines we follow.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

@Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium 
license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, 
and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to 
get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.

/Jens



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob 
Chapmanmailto:tekano@gmail.com>>  wrote:
like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular 
piece of greed&  bullshit out. HAHAHA..

a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that 
gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps?

is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits  (and 
made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?  because they 
sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk 
currently offers.






On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul 
Griswoldmailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
  wrote:
I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so 
what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted their government 
representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic 
behavior, you'd see something happen.

Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little 
government oversight / investigation?

-Paul

[https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]ᐧ



--
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
   

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Eric Turman]

I believe that ADSK has skirted through the gray area here by retaining
Softimage for over 5 years and continuing to 'develop' it...as a show of
good faith. "It just didn't perform as well as we'd hoped" type of
propaganda. Thereby insulating themselves of any antitrust litigation. I
would not be surprised at all if this was not their plan from the
beginning, buy Softimage to pillage the patents and take a competitor off
the market.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
> particular piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>
> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
> perhaps?
>
> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
>  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
>  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
> that autodesk currently offers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold <
> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>
>> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
>> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
>> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
>> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>>
>> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
>> government oversight / investigation?
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>


-- 




-=T=-

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Jens,
Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This 
really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was 
conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will 
pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue 
accounting guidelines we follow.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

@Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium 
license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, 
and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to 
get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.

/Jens



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapman 
mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular 
piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..

a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that 
gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps?

is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits  (and 
made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?  because they 
sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk 
currently offers.






On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold 
mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
 wrote:
I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so 
what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted their government 
representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic 
behavior, you'd see something happen.

Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little 
government oversight / investigation?

-Paul

[https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]ᐧ



--
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>
<>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Jens Lindgren]

@Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium
license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite.
Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using
Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking
Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again?
I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid.

/Jens




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
> particular piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>
> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
> perhaps?
>
> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
>  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
>  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
> that autodesk currently offers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold <
> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>
>> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
>> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
>> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
>> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>>
>> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
>> government oversight / investigation?
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>


-- 
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios 

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Nuno Conceicao]

ohh ohh... this can get into a spree, or how about character skinning in
3dsmax allowing for changes in topology down in the stack without having to
re-skin again? Nope. Can I add another loop there without fu%$%g up the rig
in Max? hmm nope dont think so ..


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Nuno Conceicao
wrote:

> Or is Maya going to get its pass system as reliable as Softimage's? or Max
> a decent Object lister as good as Softimage explorer, same thing for maya?
> Those are just 2 small examples...not even getting to ICE or whatever
> Bifrost is going to be in 5 years from now...
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:
>
>> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
>> particular piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>>
>> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
>> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
>> perhaps?
>>
>> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
>>  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
>>  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
>> that autodesk currently offers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold <
>> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
>>> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
>>> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
>>> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>>>
>>> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
>>> government oversight / investigation?
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>> ᐧ
>>>
>>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Paul Griswold]

Oh you can't trust them, but if there's one thing politicians love to do is
grandstand.  Calling executives out and bullying them in front of TV
cameras is one of their favorite things to do.
ADSK certainly seems to be very monopolistic in it's behavior...
ᐧ


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
> particular piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>
> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
> perhaps?
>
> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
>  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
>  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
> that autodesk currently offers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold <
> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>
>> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
>> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
>> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
>> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>>
>> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
>> government oversight / investigation?
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Nuno Conceicao]

Or is Maya going to get its pass system as reliable as Softimage's? or Max
a decent Object lister as good as Softimage explorer, same thing for maya?
Those are just 2 small examples...not even getting to ICE or whatever
Bifrost is going to be in 5 years from now...


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
> particular piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..
>
> a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
> that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
> perhaps?
>
> is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
>  (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
>  because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
> that autodesk currently offers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold <
> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>
>> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
>> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
>> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
>> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>>
>> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
>> government oversight / investigation?
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Rob Chapman]

like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this
particular piece of greed & bullshit out. HAHAHA..

a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max
that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin
perhaps?

is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits
 (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016?
 because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software
that autodesk currently offers.







On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold  wrote:

> I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a
> lawyer, so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted
> their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement
> / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.
>
> Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
> government oversight / investigation?
>
> -Paul
>
> ᐧ
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Paul Griswold]

I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer,
so what do I know).  But I do think if enough people contacted their
government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement /
monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen.

Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be.  Perhaps it's time for a little
government oversight / investigation?

-Paul

ᐧ


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> Also in cases like these does litigation take into account potential lost
> earnings? As the choice offered so far Is much less than we had before they
> discontined.  Anybody know any corporate class action lawyers to approach?
>  On 4 Mar 2014 19:41, "Rob Chapman"  wrote:
>
>> I definitely feel cheated and lied too by a major corporation and its
>> managers
>> On 4 Mar 2014 19:37, "Paul"  wrote:
>>
>>> Shall we group together and sue?
>>>
>>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it?
>>>
>>> That's why I don't buy all of the additional "We want to serve our
>>> customers better" or "It was a difficult decision".
>>>
>>> Bite me AD.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
>>>
>>> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn wrote:
>>>
 I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage
 version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to
 decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage
 projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones
 you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.

 It's simply unacceptable.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel <
 maurice.pa...@autodesk.com> wrote:

> Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:
>
> Should be
>
> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either
> by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
> discussed elsewhere
>
> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license
> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds 
> Max).
> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license
> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can 
> migrate
> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending
> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>
> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing
> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in
> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>
> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two
> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
> Max-only subscription plan.
>
> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, 
> do
> not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have 
> a
> few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
>
>

>>>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Rob Chapman]

Also in cases like these does litigation take into account potential lost
earnings? As the choice offered so far Is much less than we had before they
discontined.  Anybody know any corporate class action lawyers to approach?
On 4 Mar 2014 19:41, "Rob Chapman"  wrote:

> I definitely feel cheated and lied too by a major corporation and its
> managers
> On 4 Mar 2014 19:37, "Paul"  wrote:
>
>> Shall we group together and sue?
>>
>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi  wrote:
>>
>> Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it?
>>
>> That's why I don't buy all of the additional "We want to serve our
>> customers better" or "It was a difficult decision".
>>
>> Bite me AD.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
>>
>> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>>
>>> I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage
>>> version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to
>>> decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage
>>> projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones
>>> you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.
>>>
>>> It's simply unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel <
>>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com> wrote:
>>>
 Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:

 Should be

 -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either
 by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
 discussed elsewhere

 -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license
 that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max).
 You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license
 functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate
 at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending
 on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:

 o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing
 subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in
 perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)

 o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two
 years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
 Max-only subscription plan.

 o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
 years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do
 not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a
 few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
 Maurice

 Maurice Patel
 Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134



>>>
>>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Rob Chapman]

I definitely feel cheated and lied too by a major corporation and its
managers
On 4 Mar 2014 19:37, "Paul"  wrote:

> Shall we group together and sue?
>
> On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi  wrote:
>
> Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it?
>
> That's why I don't buy all of the additional "We want to serve our
> customers better" or "It was a difficult decision".
>
> Bite me AD.
>
> Eric
>
> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
>
> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>
>> I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage
>> version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to
>> decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage
>> projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones
>> you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.
>>
>> It's simply unacceptable.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel > > wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:
>>>
>>> Should be
>>>
>>> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by
>>> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
>>> discussed elsewhere
>>>
>>> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that
>>> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You
>>> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions
>>> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no
>>> cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on
>>> whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>>>
>>> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription
>>> - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at
>>> whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>>>
>>> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years
>>> when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
>>> Max-only subscription plan.
>>>
>>> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
>>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do
>>> not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a
>>> few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>>> Maurice
>>>
>>> Maurice Patel
>>> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Paul]

Shall we group together and sue? 

> On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi  wrote:
> 
> Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it?
> 
> That's why I don't buy all of the additional "We want to serve our customers 
> better" or "It was a difficult decision". 
> 
> Bite me AD.
> 
> Eric
> 
> Freelance 3D and VFX animator
> 
> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>> I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version 
>> be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate 
>> my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, 
>> you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will 
>> loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.
>> 
>> It's simply unacceptable. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel  
>>> wrote:
>>> Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:
>>> 
>>> Should be
>>> 
>>> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by 
>>> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was 
>>> discussed elsewhere
>>> 
>>> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that 
>>> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You 
>>> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions 
>>> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no 
>>> cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on 
>>> whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>>> 
>>> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - 
>>> you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever 
>>> release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>>> 
>>> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years 
>>> when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds 
>>> Max-only subscription plan.
>>> 
>>> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two 
>>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do 
>>> not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a 
>>> few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>>> Maurice
>>> 
>>> Maurice Patel
>>> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
> 

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Eric Lampi]

Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it?

That's why I don't buy all of the additional "We want to serve our
customers better" or "It was a difficult decision".

Bite me AD.

Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn  wrote:

> I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage
> version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to
> decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage
> projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones
> you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.
>
> It's simply unacceptable.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:
>>
>> Should be
>>
>> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by
>> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
>> discussed elsewhere
>>
>> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that
>> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You
>> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions
>> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no
>> cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on
>> whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>>
>> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription
>> - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at
>> whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>>
>> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years
>> when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
>> Max-only subscription plan.
>>
>> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do
>> not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a
>> few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
>> Maurice
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Arvid Björn]

I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version
be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate
my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage
projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones
you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available.

It's simply unacceptable.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel wrote:

> Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:
>
> Should be
>
> -   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by
> itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was
> discussed elsewhere
>
> -   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that
> allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You
> will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions
> like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no
> cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on
> whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not:
>
> o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription -
> you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever
> release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)
>
> o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years
> when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds
> Max-only subscription plan.
>
> o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two
> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do
> not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a
> few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
>
>

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

Yes you can pick and choose. Say you have 4 seats you can do the following


-  2x "3ds Max with Softimage"

-  2x "Maya with Softimage"

maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ed Manning
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:21 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

Maurice --

Can we transition some seats to Maya and some to Max? or must we pick one for 
all?
<>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Ben Rogall]

Thanks for the clarification. But I'm a solo artist with one license and 
lots of client scenes which I need to open on occasion for updates. It 
sounds like my only option would be to buy a full-price license of Maya 
if I eventually want to transition to that and still be able to open old 
scenes with Softimage. Is that correct?


Ben

On 3/4/2014 1:14 PM, Maurice Patel wrote:


o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we 
recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the 
Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses 
that you can maintain to access older projects
Maurice

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Ed Manning]

Maurice --

Can we transition some seats to Maya and some to Max? or must we pick one
for all?

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled:

Should be

-   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself 
or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed 
elsewhere

-   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows 
you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be 
able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite 
license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you 
migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) 
works for you or not:

o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you 
will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release 
version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)

o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when 
we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only 
subscription plan.

o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we 
recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the 
Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses 
that you can maintain to access older projects
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134


<>

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Maurice Patel]

Yes this is the case.
Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is 
there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not 
going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have 
pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically 
boil down to:

-   You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself 
or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed 
elsewhere

-   Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows 
you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be 
able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite 
license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you 
migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) 
works for you or not:

o   If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you 
will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release 
version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time)

o   If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when 
we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only 
subscription plan when we stop Softimage support.

o   If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we 
recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the 
Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses 
that you can maintain to access older projects
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?!

I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a 
product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for 
it.
Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.

On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel 
mailto:krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So if you 
want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to 
upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me this an 
error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one 
and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be revised.

Kris

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren 
mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:
My translation of it:
"If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the 
Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had 
the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. 
Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend 
over."

/Jens



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale 
mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, 
and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the 
old licenses around?


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn 
mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:

"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the 
end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be 
transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your 
initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 
1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond 
that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any 
future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya."

I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny 
the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking 
way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the 
lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY.
Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I 
have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, 
thanks.



--
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>


<>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Jason S]

Either/or absolutes... (absolute thinking)


On 03/04/14 13:57, Ben Rogall wrote:
No, I think you have to stop paying the subscription fee for the 
Softimage/Maya combo if you want to keep using Softimage.


On 3/4/2014 11:53 AM, Kris Rivel wrote:
Wait a second.  So in order to keep using Softimage past that 
dateI have to continue to pay the subscription fee?!  Am I 
reading that correctly?  If sowell then I have no choice but to 
basically use cracked software past that date...sorry...there...I 
said it.


Kris


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau 
<mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com>> wrote:


It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images
done after feb 2016 where people cover their screens in "making of"

and in the description of software used it's written: "The DCC
which you shouldn't pronounce the name".

*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Arvid Björn
*Sent:* 4 mars 2014 12:44
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
*Subject:* License to END if you migrate?!

Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:

/"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will
terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on
Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of
either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. _If you
want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016
you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period
beyond that date._ You will be able to continue to use Softimage
but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." /

I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how
can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year
transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of
our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the
ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY.

Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at
this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and
change this policy ASAP, thanks.

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Ed Manning]

IANL, but it seems to me that there are 2 workarounds that AD can do
nothing to really enforce.

A. use a crack (you may be surprised that such things exist, but they do!
;-) )

B. use an older version of both Softimage and License Manager like, say,
2013 SAP, maybe even 2014.

Smarter people than I can probably think of more.

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Ben Rogall]

No, I think you have to stop paying the subscription fee for the 
Softimage/Maya combo if you want to keep using Softimage.


On 3/4/2014 11:53 AM, Kris Rivel wrote:
Wait a second.  So in order to keep using Softimage past that 
dateI have to continue to pay the subscription fee?!  Am I 
reading that correctly?  If sowell then I have no choice but to 
basically use cracked software past that date...sorry...there...I said 
it.


Kris


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau 
<mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com>> wrote:


It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images
done after feb 2016 where people cover their screens in "making of"

and in the description of software used it's written: "The DCC
which you shouldn't pronounce the name".

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Arvid Björn
*Sent:* 4 mars 2014 12:44
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
*Subject:* License to END if you migrate?!

Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:

/"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will
terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on
Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of
either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. _If you
want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016
you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period
beyond that date._ You will be able to continue to use Softimage
but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." /

I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how
can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year
transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of
our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the
ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY.

Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at
this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and
change this policy ASAP, thanks.

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Daniel Sweeney]

This is truly an utter joke!!

"Hey by the way, I'm going to kill your software of choice and to top it
off you can suck my big hairy corporate cock!"

What a joke.



Daniel Sweeney
3D Creative Director

*Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771
*Email:* dan...@northforge.co.uk
*Web:* http://northforge.co.uk


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau <
marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote:

> It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images done after
> feb 2016 where people cover their screens in "making of"
>
> and in the description of software used it's written: "The DCC which you
> shouldn't pronounce the name".
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Arvid Björn
> *Sent:* 4 mars 2014 12:44
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* License to END if you migrate?!
>
>
>
> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>
> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>
> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
> projects INDEFINITELY.
>
> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont,
> I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
> ASAP, thanks.
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Kris Rivel]

Wait a second.  So in order to keep using Softimage past that dateI
have to continue to pay the subscription fee?!  Am I reading that
correctly?  If sowell then I have no choice but to basically use
cracked software past that date...sorry...there...I said it.

Kris


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau <
marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote:

> It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images done after
> feb 2016 where people cover their screens in "making of"
>
> and in the description of software used it's written: "The DCC which you
> shouldn't pronounce the name".
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Arvid Björn
> *Sent:* 4 mars 2014 12:44
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* License to END if you migrate?!
>
>
>
> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>
> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>
> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
> projects INDEFINITELY.
>
> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont,
> I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
> ASAP, thanks.
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Jason S]

To me, the Either/Or thing stikes me as proof of relative sociopathic 
philosophy.


On 03/04/14 13:47, Peter Agg wrote:
I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell 
you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level 
of support for it.


Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.


On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel > wrote:


Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!
 So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so
forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any
sense.  Please tell me this an error.  Everyone that is a paid
customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able
to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be revised.

Kris


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren
mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com>>
wrote:

My translation of it:
/"If you want to use Softimage after the transition period,
stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue
using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for
free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank
you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants
and bend over."/

/Jens




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old
scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the
foot/ head.
This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is
there in keeping the old licenses around?


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn
mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:

/"Please note that the right to use the Softimage
license will terminate at the end of the transition
period if you are still on Subscription. You will be
transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max
or Maya depending on your initial choice. _If you want
to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1,
2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract
for a period beyond that date._ You will be able to
continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future
updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." /

I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting
gift, but how can you deny the continued use of
Softimage after the two year transition period? No
fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data
from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need
the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY.

Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with
Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access
available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
ASAP, thanks.





-- 
Jens Lindgren

--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios 

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Peter Agg]

I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a
product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support
for it.

Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course.


On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel  wrote:

> Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So if
> you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the
> right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me
> this an error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to
> either one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be
> revised.
>
> Kris
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren  > wrote:
>
>> My translation of it:
>> *"If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying
>> the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you
>> have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy
>> a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your
>> pants and bend over."*
>>
>> /Jens
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale  wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
>>> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
>>> This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
>>> Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
>>> the old licenses around?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn wrote:
>>>
 Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:

 *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will
 terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on
 Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds
 Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to
 use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your
 Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to
 continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds
 Max or Maya." *

 I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can
 you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition
 period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost
 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
 projects INDEFINITELY.

 Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this
 pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this
 policy ASAP, thanks.


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jens Lindgren
>> --
>> Lead Technical Director
>> Magoo 3D Studios 
>>
>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Lawrence Nimrichter]

I agree. I have to go back to jobs I didn't 3+ years ago sometimes if a client 
calls up. In two years I need the ability to open up and make changes to the 
jobs I will be doing over the next 6 months as we transition. 







On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Arvid Björn  wrote:

> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
> 
> "Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at 
> the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will 
> be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on 
> your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license 
> after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a 
> period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but 
> will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." 
> 
> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny 
> the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No 
> fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years 
> back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects 
> INDEFINITELY.
> 
> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I 
> have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, 
> thanks.
> 

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Greg Punchatz]

Indeed Can't look at AD unless they change this one.

Before it was " damn this sucks ... I guess I will give it a good look again... 
What choice do I have .  Then I read this crock of giant shit.

AD Fix this now! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Martin Chatterjee 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am sorry but I'm with Arvid - this is complete rubbish.
> 
> In my opinion _NO_ company can agree to this - we definitely need the ability 
> to re-open old job data in the future. 
> 
> Discontinuing Softimage is hard enough to swallow (especially as it gets 
> announced with the quite cynical claim that they "[...] do believe that by 
> focusing our efforts we can better serve the needs of the media and 
> entertainment industry and provide customers with better products, faster 
> [...]" )
> 
> But this part of the transition offer definitely needs to be reworked.
> 
> -M
> --
>Martin Chatterjee
>  
> [ Freelance Technical Director ]
> [   http://www.chatterjee.de   ]
> [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] 
> nbsp;] 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>> 
>> "Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at 
>> the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will 
>> be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on 
>> your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license 
>> after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a 
>> period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but 
>> will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." 
>> 
>> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you 
>> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No 
>> fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years 
>> back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects 
>> INDEFINITELY.
>> 
>> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I 
>> have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, 
>> thanks.
> 

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Kris Rivel]

Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing!  So if
you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the
right to upgrade Max or Maya?  That doesn't make any sense.  Please tell me
this an error.  Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to
either one and always be able to run Softimage.  I agree this needs to be
revised.

Kris


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren
wrote:

> My translation of it:
> *"If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying
> the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you
> have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy
> a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your
> pants and bend over."*
>
> /Jens
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale  wrote:
>
>> I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
>> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
>> This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
>> Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
>> the old licenses around?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>>
>>> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>>>
>>> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
>>> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
>>> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
>>> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
>>> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
>>> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
>>> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>>>
>>> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
>>> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
>>> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
>>> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
>>> projects INDEFINITELY.
>>>
>>> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this
>>> pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this
>>> policy ASAP, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jens Lindgren
> --
> Lead Technical Director
> Magoo 3D Studios 
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Jens Lindgren]

My translation of it:
*"If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the
Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have
had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a
license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your
pants and bend over."*

/Jens




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale  wrote:

> I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
> This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
> Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
> the old licenses around?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>
>> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>>
>> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
>> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
>> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
>> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
>> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
>> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
>> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>>
>> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
>> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
>> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
>> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
>> projects INDEFINITELY.
>>
>> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont,
>> I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
>> ASAP, thanks.
>>
>>
>


-- 
Jens Lindgren
--
Lead Technical Director
Magoo 3D Studios 

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[patrick nethercoat]

That's a decision-maker right there.


On 4 March 2014 18:00, Matt Morris  wrote:

> Completely agreed, its the worst possible decision. Why the hell would you
> they be bothered about an old discontinued software licence hanging around?
>
> Its making cancelling subscription a highly likely option. Way to lose
> your customers Autodesk.
>
>
>
>
> On 4 March 2014 17:50, Adam Sale  wrote:
>
>> I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
>> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
>> This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
>> Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
>> the old licenses around?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>>
>>> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>>>
>>> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
>>> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
>>> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
>>> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
>>> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
>>> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
>>> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>>>
>>> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
>>> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
>>> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
>>> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
>>> projects INDEFINITELY.
>>>
>>> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this
>>> pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this
>>> policy ASAP, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> www.matinai.com
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Martin Chatterjee]

I am sorry but I'm with Arvid - this is complete rubbish.

In my opinion _NO_ company can agree to this - we definitely need the
ability to re-open old job data in the future.

Discontinuing Softimage is hard enough to swallow (especially as it gets
announced with the quite cynical claim that they "*[...] **do believe that
by focusing our efforts we can better serve the needs of the media and
entertainment industry and provide customers with better products, faster
[...]*" )

But this part of the transition offer definitely needs to be reworked.

-M
--
   Martin Chatterjee

[ Freelance Technical Director ]
[   http://www.chatterjee.de   ]
[ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ]
nbsp;]


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Arvid Björn  wrote:

> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>
> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>
> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
> projects INDEFINITELY.
>
> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont,
> I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
> ASAP, thanks.
>
>

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Matt Morris]

Completely agreed, its the worst possible decision. Why the hell would you
they be bothered about an old discontinued software licence hanging around?

Its making cancelling subscription a highly likely option. Way to lose your
customers Autodesk.




On 4 March 2014 17:50, Adam Sale  wrote:

> I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
> This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
> Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
> the old licenses around?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn  wrote:
>
>> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>>
>> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
>> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
>> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
>> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
>> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
>> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
>> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>>
>> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
>> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
>> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
>> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
>> projects INDEFINITELY.
>>
>> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont,
>> I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
>> ASAP, thanks.
>>
>>
>


-- 
www.matinai.com

Re: License to END if you migrate?!

[Adam Sale]

I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and
projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head.
This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD.
Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping
the old licenses around?



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn  wrote:

> Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:
>
> *"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate
> at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You
> will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya
> depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
> Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription
> contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
> Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *
>
> I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
> deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
> No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
> years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
> projects INDEFINITELY.
>
> Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont,
> I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
> ASAP, thanks.
>
>

RE: License to END if you migrate?!

[Marc-Andre Carbonneau]

It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images done after feb 
2016 where people cover their screens in "making of"
and in the description of software used it's written: "The DCC which you 
shouldn't pronounce the name".


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Arvid Björn
Sent: 4 mars 2014 12:44
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: License to END if you migrate?!

Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:

"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the 
end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be 
transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your 
initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 
1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond 
that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any 
future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya."

I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny 
the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking 
way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the 
lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY.
Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I 
have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, 
thanks.

License to END if you migrate?!

[Arvid Björn]

Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT:

*"Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at
the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will
be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending
on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage
license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract
for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use
Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." *

I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you
deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period?
No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10
years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage
projects INDEFINITELY.

Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I
have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy
ASAP, thanks.