[Sursound] uhj and z

2013-12-09 Thread Bearcat M . Şándor 
Is there a technical reason why z is never included in UHJ recordings?

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Re: [Sursound] [Bulk] Re: Fwd: Alan Parson's Stereotomy and UHJ

2013-12-09 Thread Eero Aro 

Richard G Elen wrote:

McCartney's "Liverpool Oratorio" is done like that for example, and it
would be worth someone going through the Collins Classics list, finding
which were mixed by John, and see if they decode.


Wot? Done that decades ago. See:
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/uhjdisc/uhjhtm.htm#ambicoll

However, the ones listed there are the ones that I have in my shelf.
All of these have indication of UHJ encoding, either the logo or written
text.

There may be more. Anyone with Collins Classics recordings could
check theirs.

Eero
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Re: [Sursound] [Bulk] Re: Fwd: Alan Parson's Stereotomy and UHJ

2013-12-09 Thread Richard G Elen 

On 09/12/2013 21:12, Richard wrote:

After re-doing it with the original release i finally heard what Alan's mix, 
and those that have heard it have been amazed how good decoded UHJ can be,.


Before Peter Carbines started going through his UHJ materials and 
producing pre-decoded versions in DTS CD format, I was sceptical of how 
much value there was in the experiment. But on the contrary, the fact is 
that with the software decoders around now we can probably hear them 
better than anyone could at the time - it's WELL worth doing and the 
results can be stunning - Stereotomy is an excellent example.


There is also a bunch of undocumented UHJ recordings by John Timperley 
done from around the early 1990s that someone needs to go through at 
some point. He had my Ambisonic system throughout the time I was living 
in the US, and for a few years before, and later told me that "he did 
everything with it", which in his case was mainly using the Transcoder, 
generally with reverb at the rear and the mix across a respectable stage 
width at the front.


McCartney's "Liverpool Oratorio" is done like that for example, and it 
would be worth someone going through the Collins Classics list, finding 
which were mixed by John, and see if they decode.


The latter are available 
here:http://www.classicsonline.com/Collin_Classics/ 
 (though it doesn't seem 
to list the London Symphony Brass CD 12882, which is definitely UHJ).


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Re: [Sursound] Fwd: Alan Parson's Stereotomy and UHJ

2013-12-09 Thread Richard G Elen 
The original should definitely be properly UHJ encoded - it was my ADR 
Ambisonic Mastering System wot dun it!


-R

On 09/12/2013 20:58, alan.va...@talktalk.net wrote:

I have an old CD of this album which seems to be genuine UHJ encoded.

One of the tracks on the album has a brief synthesised harp sound which pans 
from front left towards the listener (in the middle of the square) past the tip 
of your nose and curves away again towards the front right, all in one smooth 
arc if you like.  Very impressive for basic 2 channel UHJ and only 4 speakers I 
thought.
  
The integrity of the UHJ encoding may well be lost if the re mastering was done with no regard to the surround presentation but I have not listened to a re mastered version.



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Re: [Sursound] [Bulk] Re: Fwd: Alan Parson's Stereotomy and UHJ

2013-12-09 Thread Richard 
When i did my release of the album i used the remastered version first, and 
gave up. Horrible. After re-doing it with the original release i finally heard 
what Alan's mix, and those that have heard it have been amazed how good decoded 
UHJ can be,.


  I have an old CD of this album which seems to be genuine UHJ encoded.




  One of the tracks on the album has a brief synthesised harp sound which pans 
from front left towards the listener (in the middle of the square) past the tip 
of your nose and curves away again towards the front right, all in one smooth 
arc if you like.  Very impressive for basic 2 channel UHJ and only 4 speakers I 
thought.
   
  The integrity of the UHJ encoding may well be lost if the re mastering was 
done with no regard to the surround presentation but I have not listened to a 
re mastered version.

  Regards,
  Alan
   
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  According to wikipedia "It is a full digital production and both the LP and 
   CD releases was encoded using the two-channel Ambisonic UHJ format." 

   Does that mean that all CDs of this album will be encoded in UHJ or 
can 
   that be lost in the mastering somehow? 

   Thanks, 


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Re: [Sursound] Fwd: Alan Parson's Stereotomy and UHJ

2013-12-09 Thread alan . varty 

I have an old CD of this album which seems to be genuine UHJ encoded.




One of the tracks on the album has a brief synthesised harp sound which pans 
from front left towards the listener (in the middle of the square) past the tip 
of your nose and curves away again towards the front right, all in one smooth 
arc if you like.  Very impressive for basic 2 channel UHJ and only 4 speakers I 
thought.
 
The integrity of the UHJ encoding may well be lost if the re mastering was done 
with no regard to the surround presentation but I have not listened to a re 
mastered version.

Regards,
Alan
 
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According to wikipedia "It is a full digital production and both the LP and 

 CD releases was encoded using the two-channel Ambisonic UHJ format." 

  

 Does that mean that all CDs of this album will be encoded in UHJ or 
can 

 that be lost in the mastering somehow? 

  

 Thanks, 

  

  

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Re: [Sursound] Fwd: Alan Parson's Stereotomy and UHJ

2013-12-09 Thread Richard G Elen 

I'd agree with that. Find an original copy.

--R

On 09/12/2013 08:09, Richard wrote:

The 'expanded & remastered' version does not decode as well due to some rather 
aggressive eq-ing, best to stick with the original CD release


   According to wikipedia "It is a full digital production and both the LP and
   CD releases was encoded using the two-channel Ambisonic UHJ format."

   Does that mean that all CDs of this album will be encoded in UHJ or can
   that be lost in the mastering somehow?



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[Sursound] Free Impulse Response Software Update and Code Available

2013-12-09 Thread Pierre Alexandre Tremblay 
Dear all

I think this might be of interest to some of you.

pa

==

The HISSTools Impulse Response Toolkit, a set of Max objects to capture and 
manipulate impulse responses, is now available in version 1.1 at 
http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/  Apart from a new object and few bug fixes, the 
major news is the support of both 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Max, on both 
platforms (MacOS and Windows). The externals are still SSE optimised and all 
other goodies.

We are also releasing as promised all the source code under modified BSD 
license, available now at:
https://github.com/HISSTools/HISSTools_Impulse_Response_Toolbox

There is also a second video tutorial available, this time on electronic 
acoustic room correction
https://vimeo.com/79202287
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXOJWv3mvrc

Finally, there was a presentation at IRCAM of the musical methodologies that 
were investigated so far within the project. These conclusions are available in 
a new paper available here:
http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/18549/

I hope you will find good use of these resources.

Alex and P.A.
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Re: [Sursound] Fwd: Alan Parson's Stereotomy and UHJ

2013-12-09 Thread Richard 
The 'expanded & remastered' version does not decode as well due to some rather 
aggressive eq-ing, best to stick with the original CD release


  According to wikipedia "It is a full digital production and both the LP and
  CD releases was encoded using the two-channel Ambisonic UHJ format."

  Does that mean that all CDs of this album will be encoded in UHJ or can
  that be lost in the mastering somehow?

  Thanks,


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