Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Dave Malham]

Unfortunately I only ever had those two. I have got the NRDC's
"Professional Decoder Design" folder which I think is in the Motherload -
if not, I'll get the folder out, photo it and make another .pdf.
Fortunately I know where that one is...

  Dave

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 00:31, Martin Leese 
wrote:

> Dave Malham wrote:
> ...
> > Anyway, here's a link to the final .pdf of the NRDC
> > Report 3 on panpots, in Michael Gerzon's own handwriting.
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/div42x63thc66tl/nrdc_report_3.pdf?dl=0
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> If that is Report No. 3, I can't help wondering
> what was in the other reports.  In your attic, did
> you happen to find an index page listing the
> reports and their titles?
>
> Many thanks,
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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

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Dave Malham wrote:
...
> Anyway, here's a link to the final .pdf of the NRDC
> Report 3 on panpots, in Michael Gerzon's own handwriting.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/div42x63thc66tl/nrdc_report_3.pdf?dl=0

Hi Dave,

If that is Report No. 3, I can't help wondering
what was in the other reports.  In your attic, did
you happen to find an index page listing the
reports and their titles?

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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Lucas]

Ever poop on a bagel? Toast on cheese bruhhh

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 10:05 AM dan2...@yotz.org  wrote:

> Not sure what surprises me more...
> 1) quad analog joystick panners are still being made
> 2) there is such thing known as M and N tapers for pots (had to look that
> one up)
> 3) Or that Siri’s AI is advanced enough to pun by auto-correcting panner
> to planner - as these weren’t made for 3-D...
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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Dave Malham]

And here is NRDC's report 4 on spreader and reverb technology
https://www.dropbox.com/s/097njklb862rsn0/report_4.pdf?dl=0

If I remember rightly, these two reports were submitted, in this format
(without the coffee stains which are mine), as part of NRDC's submission to
the FCC commission on quadraphonic broadcasting - then they wondered why
they didn't compete very well with the CBS's of this world.

   Enjoy
 Dave

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> Sorry this has taken so long but (a) it took several archaeological
> expeditions into my loft to find the original document and (b) my Windoze
> XP based scanner has died and OSX tools are much more awkward at doing pdf
> assembly from images. Anyway, here's a link to the final .pdf of the NRDC
> Report 3 on panpots, in Michael Gerzon's own handwriting.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/div42x63thc66tl/nrdc_report_3.pdf?dl=0
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Dave Malham  wrote:
>
>> Somewhere I have MAG's original handwritten reports for the NRDC on
>> (analog) soundfield controls, etc. I will see if I can find them tomorrow
>> and post them. Might be of help to someone.
>>
>>   Dave
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 14:27, Eero Aro  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh what the h**k, I cannot find the schematics from Motherlode.
>>>
>>> Here you are:
>>>
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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

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Am 24.02.20 um 12:11 schrieb Dave Malham:

...and OSX tools are much more awkward at doing pdf
assembly from images.


Try Vuescan.

http://www.hamrick.com

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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Dave Malham]

Sorry this has taken so long but (a) it took several archaeological
expeditions into my loft to find the original document and (b) my Windoze
XP based scanner has died and OSX tools are much more awkward at doing pdf
assembly from images. Anyway, here's a link to the final .pdf of the NRDC
Report 3 on panpots, in Michael Gerzon's own handwriting.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/div42x63thc66tl/nrdc_report_3.pdf?dl=0



On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Dave Malham  wrote:

> Somewhere I have MAG's original handwritten reports for the NRDC on
> (analog) soundfield controls, etc. I will see if I can find them tomorrow
> and post them. Might be of help to someone.
>
>   Dave
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 14:27, Eero Aro  wrote:
>
>> Oh what the h**k, I cannot find the schematics from Motherlode.
>>
>> Here you are:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u4erj032gxafsd5/AAAEdeRr-FVm9YOK13OwtN2Ra?dl=0
>>
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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Sampo Syreeni]

On 2020-02-20, Charlie Richmond wrote:

3) Or that Siri’s AI is advanced enough to pun by auto-correcting 
panner to planner - as these weren’t made for 3-D...


I've been panning Siri's AI ever since it was released.  And other 
auto-correcting apps too.


I *so* saw that coming. :D
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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 10:05, dan2...@yotz.org  wrote:

> Not sure what surprises me more...
> 1) quad analog joystick panners are still being made
>

The panners I have, although new, were purchased many years ago from Alps.
I don't think they are manufactured any more.

2) there is such thing known as M and N tapers for pots (had to look that
> one up)
>

The orginal tapes for these units were A & C but M & N were created to
produce much better results.  We have used both.

3) Or that Siri’s AI is advanced enough to pun by auto-correcting panner to
> planner - as these weren’t made for 3-D...
>

I've been panning Siri's AI ever since it was released.  And other
auto-correcting apps too.

C-)



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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Marc Lavallée]

Le 20-02-20 à 13 h 05, dan2...@yotz.org a écrit :

> 3) Or that Siri’s AI is advanced enough to pun by auto-correcting panner to 
> planner - as these weren’t made for 3-D...

One spatial audio will be used by management classes, we'll see "3D
audio" panning vocabulary inserted everywhere...

So let's dream of a world more panned than planned. :-)

Marc

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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

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Not sure what surprises me more...
1) quad analog joystick panners are still being made
2) there is such thing known as M and N tapers for pots (had to look that one 
up)
3) Or that Siri’s AI is advanced enough to pun by auto-correcting panner to 
planner - as these weren’t made for 3-D...
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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

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There should be an unsubscribe link near the bottom of this message Lucas

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, Lucas  wrote:

> Troll bot? Nahh just someone who shouldn't be in this conversation.  Please
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> > > > On 19 Feb 2020, at 17:26, Lucas  wrote:
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> > > > But do you poop on bagels and fart?
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 12:07 AM Dan Yotz  wrote:
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> > > >> I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with
> quad
> > > >> joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around
> 3’x4’x18”
> > > and
> > > >> weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to
> buy
> > it
> > > >> and carry it around...
> > > >>
> > > >> Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing
> > the
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Troll bot? Nahh just someone who shouldn't be in this conversation.  Please
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 9:56 AM Augustine Leudar 
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> > > But do you poop on bagels and fart?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 12:07 AM Dan Yotz  wrote:
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> > >> I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with quad
> > >> joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around 3’x4’x18”
> > and
> > >> weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to buy
> it
> > >> and carry it around...
> > >>
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> the
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[Charlie Richmond]

I have replied to Gus - if anyone else wants pictures, please let me know
offlist.

Cheers,
Charlie

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:59, Augustine Leudar 
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> Any chance of seeing a photo Charlie? I'm not looking to buy just curious -
> did you ever make a panner that would do height as well?
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, 19:17 Charlie Richmond, 
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> > >
> > >
> > > Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> > > pots with dual analog tapers
> > >
> >
> > I still have a bunch of these left over from when we produced quad
> > consoles.  Including the complementary dual M/N taper pots for each axis.
> > If anyone wants to buy them, I'm accepting offers...
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Any chance of seeing a photo Charlie? I'm not looking to buy just curious -
did you ever make a panner that would do height as well?


On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, 19:17 Charlie Richmond,  wrote:

> >
> >
> > Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> > pots with dual analog tapers
> >
>
> I still have a bunch of these left over from when we produced quad
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> If anyone wants to buy them, I'm accepting offers...
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[Charlie Richmond]

>
>
> Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> pots with dual analog tapers
>

I still have a bunch of these left over from when we produced quad
consoles.  Including the complementary dual M/N taper pots for each axis.
If anyone wants to buy them, I'm accepting offers...

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Analogue trollbot?

On Wednesday, 19 February 2020, Steven Boardman 
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> Oh dear, this has got very analog……:)
>
> > On 19 Feb 2020, at 17:26, Lucas  wrote:
> >
> > But do you poop on bagels and fart?
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 12:07 AM Dan Yotz  wrote:
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> >> I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with quad
> >> joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around 3’x4’x18”
> and
> >> weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to buy it
> >> and carry it around...
> >>
> >> Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
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[Steven Boardman]

Oh dear, this has got very analog……:)

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 17:26, Lucas  wrote:
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> But do you poop on bagels and fart?
> 
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 12:07 AM Dan Yotz  wrote:
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>> I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with quad
>> joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around 3’x4’x18” and
>> weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to buy it
>> and carry it around...
>> 
>> Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
>> pots with dual analog tapers
>> 
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[Lucas]

But do you poop on bagels and fart?

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 12:07 AM Dan Yotz  wrote:

> I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with quad
> joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around 3’x4’x18” and
> weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to buy it
> and carry it around...
>
> Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> pots with dual analog tapers
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[Dave Malham]

Somewhere I have MAG's original handwritten reports for the NRDC on
(analog) soundfield controls, etc. I will see if I can find them tomorrow
and post them. Might be of help to someone.

  Dave

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 14:27, Eero Aro  wrote:

> Oh what the h**k, I cannot find the schematics from Motherlode.
>
> Here you are:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u4erj032gxafsd5/AAAEdeRr-FVm9YOK13OwtN2Ra?dl=0
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[Augustine Leudar]

Tx Eero

On Monday, 17 February 2020, Eero Aro  wrote:

> And sorry, no parts list for the Pan/Rotate unit.
>
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[Eero Aro]

And sorry, no parts list for the Pan/Rotate unit.

Eero
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[Eero Aro]

Oh what the h**k, I cannot find the schematics from Motherlode.

Here you are:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u4erj032gxafsd5/AAAEdeRr-FVm9YOK13OwtN2Ra?dl=0

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[Eero Aro]

Finally, a Transcoder unit generating 2-channel UHJ only could be fed 
with stereo signals for front and rear stages with a stage width control 
on each.


The Transcoder also has an B-Format input in an 5-pin XLR connector.

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[Eero Aro]

The schematics are in the Ambisonic Motherlode:

http://decoy.iki.fi/dsound/ambisonic/motherlode/

Somewhere in there..

Eero


Richard Elen kirjoitti 17.2.2020 klo 11:57:
The Audio & Design Recording boxes that Geoff Barton designed were 
intended as (analogue) outboard units that could be patched into a 
conventional mixing console to generate (mainly) first-order (all there 
was) Ambisonic B-Format.


The Pan-Rotate unit included eight 360-degree controls, each with a 
radius vector (distance from centre) control with a switched position 
for maximum radius vector. In addition there was a B-Format Converter 
which allowed console panpots to be used to pan across a quadrant, using 
four groups and an aux send.


Finally, a Transcoder unit generating 2-channel UHJ only could be fed 
with stereo signals for front and rear stages with a stage width control 
on each.


The units are described in these articles:

http://ambisonic.net/branwell_arb.html

http://ambisonic.net/ambimix.html

I'm afraid I don't have circuit diagrams but Geoff presumably has.

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[Richard Elen]

The Audio & Design Recording boxes that Geoff Barton designed were 
intended as (analogue) outboard units that could be patched into a 
conventional mixing console to generate (mainly) first-order (all there 
was) Ambisonic B-Format.


The Pan-Rotate unit included eight 360-degree controls, each with a 
radius vector (distance from centre) control with a switched position 
for maximum radius vector. In addition there was a B-Format Converter 
which allowed console panpots to be used to pan across a quadrant, using 
four groups and an aux send.


Finally, a Transcoder unit generating 2-channel UHJ only could be fed 
with stereo signals for front and rear stages with a stage width control 
on each.


The units are described in these articles:

http://ambisonic.net/branwell_arb.html

http://ambisonic.net/ambimix.html

I'm afraid I don't have circuit diagrams but Geoff presumably has.

--R

On 16-Feb-20 15:18, Peter Carbines wrote:

On 16/02/2020 12:19, Augustine Leudar wrote:

I'm mainly interested in purely analog devices in this thread


The small team I was involved in during the 1970s built a 4-input 
proof-of-concept Ambisonic mixer. We were interested in developing a 
mixer to produce B-format from multitrack recordings, creating an 
artificial soundfield.


It had 360-degree panning ability and radius-vector control on each. 
Two input channels used sine-cosine 360 degree potentiometers derived 
from scrapped electronics, probably radar consoles. Because we were 
unfunded and basically running on 'pocket money', the budget didn't 
allow for 4 sine-cosine pots so we designed and built two switchable 
pan-pots, initially 30-degree but planned for an eventual 15 degrees. ...

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[Augustine Leudar]

Peter that's amazing thanks so much for posting. I would love to have a go
on it should you ever have time to dig it out!!

On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Peter Carbines 
wrote:

> On 16/02/2020 12:19, Augustine Leudar wrote:
>
>> I'm mainly interested in purely analog devices in this thread
>>
>
> The small team I was involved in during the 1970s built a 4-input
> proof-of-concept Ambisonic mixer. We were interested in developing a mixer
> to produce B-format from multitrack recordings, creating an artificial
> soundfield.
>
> It had 360-degree panning ability and radius-vector control on each. Two
> input channels used sine-cosine 360 degree potentiometers derived from
> scrapped electronics, probably radar consoles. Because we were unfunded and
> basically running on 'pocket money', the budget didn't allow for 4
> sine-cosine pots so we designed and built two switchable pan-pots,
> initially 30-degree but planned for an eventual 15 degrees.
>
> Switchable pan-pots consisted of an array of wafer switches with hordes of
> 1% metal-film resistors. Not a build for the faint-hearted, and probably
> not even attempted had we not made use of an early programmable
> calculator!. 15-degree switches were under construction at the time the
> whole project was abandoned. The chassis of the mixer still lies somewhere
> in a heap of discarded electronics at the end of my garage!
>
> Despite its Heath-Robinson (or even Rowland Emett) appearance the mixer
> did work and produced very interesting results.
>
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[Peter Carbines]

On 16/02/2020 12:19, Augustine Leudar wrote:

I'm mainly interested in purely analog devices in this thread


The small team I was involved in during the 1970s built a 4-input 
proof-of-concept Ambisonic mixer. We were interested in developing a 
mixer to produce B-format from multitrack recordings, creating an 
artificial soundfield.


It had 360-degree panning ability and radius-vector control on each. Two 
input channels used sine-cosine 360 degree potentiometers derived from 
scrapped electronics, probably radar consoles. Because we were unfunded 
and basically running on 'pocket money', the budget didn't allow for 4 
sine-cosine pots so we designed and built two switchable pan-pots, 
initially 30-degree but planned for an eventual 15 degrees.


Switchable pan-pots consisted of an array of wafer switches with hordes 
of 1% metal-film resistors. Not a build for the faint-hearted, and 
probably not even attempted had we not made use of an early programmable 
calculator!. 15-degree switches were under construction at the time the 
whole project was abandoned. The chassis of the mixer still lies 
somewhere in a heap of discarded electronics at the end of my garage!


Despite its Heath-Robinson (or even Rowland Emett) appearance the mixer 
did work and produced very interesting results.



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[Augustine Leudar]

I'm mainly interested in purely analog devices in this thread, not just the
feel of it. I've been using and making digital devices and controllers for
years to manipulate 3D sound including Arduino, Kinect, Accelerometers,
crystal balls etc etc and most of my exhibitions these days include some
kind of interactive 3D sound, but I am curious as to what was/is available
in the purely analog realm and what can/was be done without any kind of
computer or digital processing.

On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Bo-Erik Sandholm  wrote:

> The Question is it the feel of the controller or no computer involved most
> important?
>
> Create a controller or reuse an old one.
>
> Connect an imu to a mechanical controller of our choice :-)
>
> ohti https://github.com/bossesand/OHTI  can be a starting point.
>
> Bno055 as imu.
> Using Arduino nano v3 gives usb serial connection.
> Esp32 / 8266 can give Wi-Fi, usb or ble connection.
>
> From wish or aliexpress hw cost can be less than 25 £ € very little
> soldering is required.
>
> Bosse
>
>
>
>
>
> Connection device
>
> Den sön 16 feb. 2020 09:07Dan Yotz  skrev:
>
> > I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with quad
> > joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around 3’x4’x18”
> and
> > weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to buy it
> > and carry it around...
> >
> > Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> > pots with dual analog tapers
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[Bo-Erik Sandholm]

The Question is it the feel of the controller or no computer involved most
important?

Create a controller or reuse an old one.

Connect an imu to a mechanical controller of our choice :-)

ohti https://github.com/bossesand/OHTI  can be a starting point.

Bno055 as imu.
Using Arduino nano v3 gives usb serial connection.
Esp32 / 8266 can give Wi-Fi, usb or ble connection.

From wish or aliexpress hw cost can be less than 25 £ € very little
soldering is required.

Bosse





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Den sön 16 feb. 2020 09:07Dan Yotz  skrev:

> I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with quad
> joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around 3’x4’x18” and
> weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to buy it
> and carry it around...
>
> Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> pots with dual analog tapers
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[Dan Yotz]

I recall once seeing what i think was an eight channel board with quad 
joysticks on each channel ... in the road case it was around 3’x4’x18” and 
weighed 2-300 lbs...   sold for cheap... couldn’t bring myself to buy it and 
carry it around...

Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the pots 
with dual analog tapers



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