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Hi everyone. I used to be a member a while back - but I had a back injury that could have been serious, I'm ok now tho. I'm trying to catch up with work & what you guys have been up to while I've been gone! A big hello to Steve Spence, how you doing buddy? - you did me a big favour with Lucas Cav rebuild kits to the UK, remember? Hope things are going OK for you. Look forward to hearing from you all. Cheers Malcolm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Dag Pieter Nice to hear from you again, glad you're out of hospital safe and sound. Only 2,000 messages and you didn't read every single one of them immediately?? Shame on you! LOL! >Weet ik, maar het wordt er wel steeds lastiger op, of kun jij nog volop >gratis krijgen ? So what are you having to pay for it now (WVO)? I thought the price went down following the BSE scare, didn't it? And now it's going up again because of increasing use of PPO? In your first message, when you mentioned oil merchants, I thought you meant companies processing virgin oil for use as fuel. Do they also process WVO, or are the waste oil collecters also putting their prices up? You do make rather large quantities of biodiesel all at once though, maybe it'd be easier to get hold of smaller quantities of WVO and make it more often? I think there were some responses to your earlier question on using ethanol in a diesel. These might help: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/29193/1 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30061/1 > > >However, there is still enough sawdust for free. > > >Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol >? > > >What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns > > >cleaner than BD ? There's been some work in Australia (and elsewhere?) on this. You might find this interesting: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/835/1 There's also the ACREVO study on vegoil, which has interesting things to say about ethanol blends, and this thread: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/3098/1 I know you were asking previously about how much sulphuric acid to use in making ethanol from sawdust. I think the answer is "enough" - I doubt a rule-of-thumb amount would work very well, considering how variable the feedstock will inevitably be. But I'd be interested to know if you could do it economically - would the value of the ethanol outweigh the cost of the sulphuric? (Leaving aside time and labour etc.) Best wishes Keith >Met vriendelijke groeten, >Pieter Koole > > >- Original Message ----- >From: "Yves vd hoeven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:16 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back again > > > > Als je olie koopt is dat inderdaad duur. Er staat je echter niets in de >weg > > om gebruikte olie bij een restaurant op te halen en daarvan biodiesel te > > maken :) > > > > Groeten, > > Yves. > > > > > > > > At 13:52 1/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: > > >Hi all, > > >After 8 weeks hospital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and >found > > >over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! > > >To be honest, I didn't read them all. > > >Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can >use > > >ethanol to run a diesel engine on. > > >Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more > > >and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of > > >course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. > > >However, there is still enough sawdust for free. > > >Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol >? > > >What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns > > >cleaner than BD ? > > > > > >Met vriendelijke groeten, > > >Pieter Koole > > >Netherlands. > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It is correct that a lot of the stuff they use here is animal fat or 'half liquid' vegetable oil. The half liquid, hardened, oil I use for making biodiesel. The liquid oil I use in a separate tank (with a pre-hearting system) to drive on pure oil. A tip: the Chinese restaurants in Belgium (and I think everywhere else too) always seem to use liquid oil, and even in larger quantities then in Western cooking. Sometimes you have to gain their confidence, though, before they will give it to you, but that is not too difficult. Yves. At 16:29 2/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Yves, > >Does it work for you to find 'oil' (liquid at room temperature) here in >Belgium? >Seems most 'WVO' is not vegetable but animal origin (at least what I am able >to get by) >Do you have good resources on getting vegetable WVO? Any tips? > >Regards, >Filip > >Voor de rest van het forum maar in het engels. > > >-- Origineel Bericht -- > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >From: Yves vd hoeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:16:45 +0100 > >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back again > > > > > >Als je olie koopt is dat inderdaad duur. Er staat je echter niets in de >weg >om gebruikte olie bij een restaurant op te halen en daarvan biodiesel te > >maken :) > >Groeten, >Yves. > > > >At 13:52 1/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi all, > >After 8 weeks h > >spital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and found > >over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! > >To be honest, I didn't read them all. > >Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can >use > >ethanol to run a diesel engin > > on. > >Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more > >and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of > >course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. > >However, there is still enough sawdust for > >ree. > >Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol >? > >What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns > >cleaner than BD ? > > > >Met vriendelijke groeten, > >Pieter Koole > >Netherlands. > > > > > > > >The in > >ormation contained in this message (including attachments) is > >confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) > >only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and > >notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disc > >osure, > >copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not >be > >liable for direct, special, indirect or > >consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this > >message by a third party or in case of electronic c > >mmunications as a result > >of any virus being passed on. > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:23 AM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide mix > >ng > > > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are > sufficient, > > > preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in > >advance > > > and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perha > >s an > >occasional > > > bit of agitation. > > > > > > KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) > > > than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. > > > > > > Doesn't matter if the process you choose is acid/base or st > >aight base. It > > > serves your interests best if you make sure that adequate mixing takes > > > place. Treat neither any differently from the other. > > > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Paul B.Schmidt" >adriver.com> > > > To: "biodiesel lisst serve" > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:40 AM > > > Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and > > > > met > >anol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed > > > > container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake > > > > it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the > > > > carboy??!
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Hi Yves, Does it work for you to find 'oil' (liquid at room temperature) here in Belgium? Seems most 'WVO' is not vegetable but animal origin (at least what I am able to get by) Do you have good resources on getting vegetable WVO? Any tips? Regards, Filip Voor de rest van het forum maar in het engels. >-- Origineel Bericht -- >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >From: Yves vd hoeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:16:45 +0100 >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back again > > >Als je olie koopt is dat inderdaad duur. Er staat je echter niets in de weg om gebruikte olie bij een restaurant op te halen en daarvan biodiesel te maken :) Groeten, Yves. At 13:52 1/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, >After 8 weeks h >spital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and found >over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! >To be honest, I didn't read them all. >Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can use >ethanol to run a diesel engin > on. >Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more >and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of >course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. >However, there is still enough sawdust for >ree. >Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol ? >What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns >cleaner than BD ? > >Met vriendelijke groeten, >Pieter Koole >Netherlands. > > > >The in >ormation contained in this message (including attachments) is >confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) >only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and >notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disc >osure, >copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be >liable for direct, special, indirect or >consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this >message by a third party or in case of electronic c >mmunications as a result >of any virus being passed on. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:23 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide mix >ng > > > > Paul, > > > > For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are sufficient, > > preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in >advance > > and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perha >s an >occasional > > bit of agitation. > > > > KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) > > than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. > > > > Doesn't matter if the process you choose is acid/base or st >aight base. It > > serves your interests best if you make sure that adequate mixing takes > > place. Treat neither any differently from the other. > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Paul B.Schmidt" adriver.com> > > To: "biodiesel lisst serve" > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:40 AM > > Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > > > > > > > Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and > > > met >anol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed > > > container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake > > > it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the > > > carboy??! Does that do enough > > > > > > > The "Foolproof" method notes that "... It's nasty stuff and it's not > > > easy to mix -- and it must be thoroughly mixed before you use it, with > > > all the lye dissolved" and goes on to note that you just give it a > > > series of >swirls and then let it sit. Is that enough to thoroughly mix > > > it?! Sounds good to me if so as I was planning on having to mix up > > > several small batches in my blender and then pouring them into a > > > container together, sealing that and >then having it gravity fed through > > > a tube into the processor. So,... just pour, shake thoroughly, and > > > drain..?!. > > > > > > Also, does the base vs acid process demand more or less thorough > > > mixing? Any thoughts out there? > > > > > > - Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuels l
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Weet ik, maar het wordt er wel steeds lastiger op, of kun jij nog volop gratis krijgen ? Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: "Yves vd hoeven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back again > Als je olie koopt is dat inderdaad duur. Er staat je echter niets in de weg > om gebruikte olie bij een restaurant op te halen en daarvan biodiesel te > maken :) > > Groeten, > Yves. > > > > At 13:52 1/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi all, > >After 8 weeks hospital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and found > >over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! > >To be honest, I didn't read them all. > >Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can use > >ethanol to run a diesel engine on. > >Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more > >and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of > >course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. > >However, there is still enough sawdust for free. > >Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol ? > >What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns > >cleaner than BD ? > > > >Met vriendelijke groeten, > >Pieter Koole > >Netherlands. > > > > > > > >The information contained in this message (including attachments) is > >confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) > >only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and > >notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, > >copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be > >liable for direct, special, indirect or > >consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this > >message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result > >of any virus being passed on. > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:23 AM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > > > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are sufficient, > > > preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in > >advance > > > and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an > >occasional > > > bit of agitation. > > > > > > KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) > > > than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. > > > > > > Doesn't matter if the process you choose is acid/base or straight base. It > > > serves your interests best if you make sure that adequate mixing takes > > > place. Treat neither any differently from the other. > > > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Paul B.Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "biodiesel lisst serve" > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:40 AM > > > Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and > > > > methanol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed > > > > container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake > > > > it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the > > > > carboy??! Does that do enough? > > > > > > > > The "Foolproof" method notes that "... It's nasty stuff and it's not > > > > easy to mix -- and it must be thoroughly mixed before you use it, with > > > > all the lye dissolved" and goes on to note that you just give it a > > > > series of swirls and then let it sit. Is that enough to thoroughly mix > > > > it?! Sounds good to me if so as I was planning on having to mi
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Als je olie koopt is dat inderdaad duur. Er staat je echter niets in de weg om gebruikte olie bij een restaurant op te halen en daarvan biodiesel te maken :) Groeten, Yves. At 13:52 1/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, >After 8 weeks hospital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and found >over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! >To be honest, I didn't read them all. >Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can use >ethanol to run a diesel engine on. >Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more >and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of >course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. >However, there is still enough sawdust for free. >Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol ? >What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns >cleaner than BD ? > >Met vriendelijke groeten, >Pieter Koole >Netherlands. > > > >The information contained in this message (including attachments) is >confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) >only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and >notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, >copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be >liable for direct, special, indirect or >consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this >message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result >of any virus being passed on. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:23 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > > > > Paul, > > > > For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are sufficient, > > preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in >advance > > and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an >occasional > > bit of agitation. > > > > KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) > > than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. > > > > Doesn't matter if the process you choose is acid/base or straight base. It > > serves your interests best if you make sure that adequate mixing takes > > place. Treat neither any differently from the other. > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Paul B.Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "biodiesel lisst serve" > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:40 AM > > Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > > > > > > > Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and > > > methanol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed > > > container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake > > > it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the > > > carboy??! Does that do enough? > > > > > > The "Foolproof" method notes that "... It's nasty stuff and it's not > > > easy to mix -- and it must be thoroughly mixed before you use it, with > > > all the lye dissolved" and goes on to note that you just give it a > > > series of swirls and then let it sit. Is that enough to thoroughly mix > > > it?! Sounds good to me if so as I was planning on having to mix up > > > several small batches in my blender and then pouring them into a > > > container together, sealing that and then having it gravity fed through > > > a tube into the processor. So,... just pour, shake thoroughly, and > > > drain..?!. > > > > > > Also, does the base vs acid process demand more or less thorough > > > mixing? Any thoughts out there? > > > > > > - Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biof
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Hi all, After 8 weeks hospital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and found over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! To be honest, I didn't read them all. Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can use ethanol to run a diesel engine on. Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. However, there is still enough sawdust for free. Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol ? What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns cleaner than BD ? Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > Paul, > > For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are sufficient, > preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in advance > and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an occasional > bit of agitation. > > KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) > than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. > > Doesn't matter if the process you choose is acid/base or straight base. It > serves your interests best if you make sure that adequate mixing takes > place. Treat neither any differently from the other. > > Todd Swearingen > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul B.Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "biodiesel lisst serve" > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:40 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing > > > > Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and > > methanol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed > > container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake > > it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the > > carboy??! Does that do enough? > > > > The "Foolproof" method notes that "... It's nasty stuff and it's not > > easy to mix -- and it must be thoroughly mixed before you use it, with > > all the lye dissolved" and goes on to note that you just give it a > > series of swirls and then let it sit. Is that enough to thoroughly mix > > it?! Sounds good to me if so as I was planning on having to mix up > > several small batches in my blender and then pouring them into a > > container together, sealing that and then having it gravity fed through > > a tube into the processor. So,... just pour, shake thoroughly, and > > drain..?!. > > > > Also, does the base vs acid process demand more or less thorough > > mixing? Any thoughts out there? > > > > - Paul > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?
