RE: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

2001-12-17 Thread SandraK

Julia Roberts was born in 1967, making her 34 now (class of '85).
Eric was born in 1956 (class of 1974), so Julia is 7 years younger. So could
have been there as an 11-year-old.

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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:47:38 -0500
From: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

malmo is class of '73, and went to HS in Maryland.

Julia Roberts (~Moats) is about 30, making her Class of '89 (roughly).

Eric Roberts could be no more than 2 years older or younger than malmo.

Making Julia 14 to 18 years younger than her brother Eric, give or take 6
months.


If Eric really was in some race during Malmo's 3 years of HS, Julia would
have been real little.


/Brian


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Fw: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

2001-12-17 Thread SandraK

Whoops, had an hypoglycemic moment:  meant to say, you're right, she'd have
to have been 7 years old when he ran as a senior :}

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> Julia Roberts was born in 1967, making her 34 now (class of '85).
> Eric was born in 1956 (class of 1974), so Julia is 7 years younger. So
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> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:47:38 -0500
> From: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?
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> malmo is class of '73, and went to HS in Maryland.
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> Julia Roberts (~Moats) is about 30, making her Class of '89 (roughly).
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> Eric Roberts could be no more than 2 years older or younger than malmo.
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> Making Julia 14 to 18 years younger than her brother Eric, give or take 6
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> If Eric really was in some race during Malmo's 3 years of HS, Julia would
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Re: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust

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> In a message dated 12/17/01 3:58:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> > Hell, the last split you get is
> >1.1 to 1.2 miles from the finish!
>
> Not if the organizers are smart, and give metric splits for metric distance
> races.
>

Not too many are smart.  Most are still trying to divide integer metric
distances by 1.609344!

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Re: t-and-f: jagger at the olympics & other famous people

2001-12-17 Thread koala

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:11:26 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Maybe he could have challenged Keino and Ryun!

Nah, not enough satisfaction :-)

By the way, it's not true that the Mickster wrote
Start Me Up with Keith Richards, with Linford Christie's
'96 Atlanta false start performance in mind :

If you start me up 
If you start me up I'll never stop 
If you start me up 
If you start me up I'll never stop 
I've been running hot 
You got me ticking gonna blow my top 
If you start me up 
If you start me up I'll never stop 

You make a grown man cry...


-this one was released in '81, 15 years before Atlanta.


Of course, Jumpin' Jack Flash also fits...


RT



RE: t-and-f: jagger at the olympics & other famous people

2001-12-17 Thread Rich H.


Maybe he could have challenged Keino and Ryun!

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In a message dated Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:16:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>
> In a message dated 12/14/01 12:44:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Jagger was at the 84 opening ceremonies in LA.
> He often logs mileage in preparations for his gyrations during a tour >>

Last time I went to a Stones concert (4-5 years ago) there was a stage of
about 150m in length across one end of the stadium, and I was blown away to
see the Mickster literally running from one end of the stage nonstop during
the show, while singing. At the end I figured he had put in about 5K! It was
very impressive.

gh




RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread DLTFNedit

Brian- I understand your points, but they are based on the experience for the 
competitors, when what we should be most concerned about is the experience for the 
spectators. We have no problems concerning the participatory side of the sport in this 
country, but when it comes to presentation and marketability, we're WAY behind.
sideshow



Re: t-and-f: re: sponsorship $$

2001-12-17 Thread Dan Kaplan

--- "Michael J. Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They can't get that here?  Come on, puhleaze!!  I mentioned Detroit as
> an example.  Surely there are some poor kids there who would benefit
> immensely from that type of program.

I didn't say there aren't people in the states that couldn't benefit, only
that the humanitarian aspects of helping out in "poverty-stricken" Africa
play much better to media sympathies.  It's an easier sell, whether or not
the end result would pay off any differently.

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Re: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread JimRTimes


In a message dated 12/17/01 3:58:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Hell, the last split you get is
>1.1 to 1.2 miles from the finish!

Not if the organizers are smart, and give metric splits for metric distance 
races.

Jim Gerweck
Running Times



Re: t-and-f: My miserable Bruce Dern Moment

2001-12-17 Thread JimRTimes


In a message dated 12/17/01 3:16:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>It was Rockland California in 1970 while my roomate Bob Deines was winning
>the National 50 miler that I, after dropping out at 30 miles leaned against
>a car with Bruce Dern who had also dropped out, and grumbled.

I think that race was also mentioned in the article. Dern says his wife 
pulled up alongside in a car and told him to drop out. He replied that 
although he was slowing badly, he was still making progress, to which she 
replied that he had been running in place for the past 10 minutes.

Jim Gerweck
Running Times



t-and-f: re: sponsorship $$

2001-12-17 Thread Michael J. Roth

Dan

>>Aside from a few knowledgeable runners and fans . . . Take their show
overseas and people (us, at least) are talking about it,

The only reason we know about this is the Johnsons spend way too much
time on the internet.

>>They also have all kinds of angles they can play to about helping
less privileged people.

They can't get that here?  Come on, puhleaze!!  I mentioned Detroit as
an example.  Surely there are some poor kids there who would benefit
immensely from that type of program.  The news media would eat it up too
- Stars give people money - always a news item.

My only guess is that Puma's presence supporting African Athletes was
the reason for the location.

MJR




Re: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European CrossCountry Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread Jack Moran

As one who makes a few dollars scoring cross country meets with pull tags
and push-button timers, I hate to tout a competitive technology, but the
fact is that the Chip is terrific. At the NCAA DIII championships last
month, they set up a mat on the course where the women would cross it twice
and the men three times. The computer at the finish line was able to
interrogate the one at the split point, determine when about 100 runners had
passed (there's no point computing scores until enough teams have put five
people across the split), and compute scores for an announcer to read. It
was an odd split, something over a mile the first time anyone hit it, but
who cares? Knowing that Oshkosh has the lead "a little past a mile into the
race" is plenty good enough for the audience.

Although a full mat system might cost $30,000, it should be noted that meet
organizers who use this technology almost certainly hire a chip-system owner
to do the results. The cost of an additional split is whatever the chip guy
charges. As I understand it, it's about $500.

> From: "Oleg Shpyrko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Oleg Shpyrko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:31:37 -0800
> To: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Country
> Champs)
> 
> Another angle to ChampionChip-type timing system used in XC - which I am
> sure
> has been discussed here already - one could use this system to make the
> race more team-oriented and spectator-friendly. In addition to announcing
> top runners and their splits, one could have immediate access to team
> standings
> as soon as the fifth man hits the checkpoint. This could be done almost
> instantaneously
> (they got those fancy things called computers which can add five numbers
> pretty darn fast!)
> regardless of whether the scoring is by places or by time. Imagine being
> able to follow
> the "oh-so-close" Stanford/Colorado battle for team title at this year's
> NCAAs while it developed.
> This would make XC a whole different type of sport, from a spectator's point
> of view, and put
> more emphasis on the team aspect of the competition.
> 
> Oleg.
> 
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:16 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross
> Country Champs)
> 
> 
> This has been discussed in my state (Michigan) where ChampionChip Timing was
> founded (by a guy I know who grew up about 35 minutes from me).
> 
> I think the problem is that the sensor "set-up" that senses the chip and
> takes the split (and therefore the runner's positions en route) is very
> expensive.  I think the setup costs like $30,000 at each checkpoint.
> 
> The ChampionChip system is used at the Michigan HS State XC Finals, which
> are now held at Michigan International Speedway, and hosts all FOUR
> Divisions, both Boys and Girls.  8 races in one day.
> 
> There is a sensor at the 1 mile, 2 and 3, and FINISH of course.  We don't
> have any electronic scoreboard running during the races though.  They are
> able to have this many sensors because of the economy of scale of all the
> races being run on one day, on the same course.  I think they also do this
> as somewhat of a demo for their road racing customers.  The MIS also has
> deep pockets to pay for something like chip timing, thanks to parking and
> entrance fees for the many thousands of parents, teammates and friends who
> watch the races.
> 
> Rather than have a 5 x 2k multi-loop setup for NCAA's that (in my opinion)
> turns it into a track race on grass, I don't see why they couldn't have
> sensors set up at 4k/6k/8k or 3k/6k/9k or something, on a normal course.  If
> the MHSAA can afford it, then the NCAA should be able to.  Or should want
> to.
> 
> I guess a wrinkle that I didn't consider is that on a "big-loop" course each
> split would need it's own scoreboard for the display, and it would need
> electricity.  A multi-loop (5x2k for men, 3x2k for women) course would only
> need one sensor and one display.
> 
> There must be a challenge that is not easily seen, because the chip-timing
> providers must be busting to provide it as, like you said, it would be a
> real breakthrough in spectating for XC.  Maybe the display board is even
> more expensive than the mid-race sensors.
> 
> /Brian McEwen
> 
> 
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: t-and-f: European Cross Country Champs
> 
> 
> I don't believe the Euro XC Champs held this past weekend in Thun,
> Switzerland have been mentioned yet.
> 
> Ukrainian Sergey Lebed won, adding to his '98 crown and moving up one place
> from last year. He stopped Paulo Guerra's streak at 2 (Guerra has won it 4
> times).
> 
> Photos o

Re: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Country Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread Ed Prytherch

Regarding chip costs:
My friend Danny White owns a race management business. We were at the Kiawah
Island Marathon this past weekend and he used the champion chip system there
for the first time. I don't know how much he paid for the equipment, but it
was enough to put him into significant debt. But a race director only has to
rent the service. Danny charges $750 + $1 per chip for a road race setup
with two mats at the finish line - a primary mat + a backup. I imagine that
his charges are typical for the business. So to figure the cost for a cross
country race, multiply the number of splits needed by $350 and add $1 per
runner. You may need special programming to do the team scores, but there
are probably lots of folks that could do that.

Ed Prytherch


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From: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross
Country Champs)


> This has been discussed in my state (Michigan) where ChampionChip Timing
was
> founded (by a guy I know who grew up about 35 minutes from me).
>
> I think the problem is that the sensor "set-up" that senses the chip and
> takes the split (and therefore the runner's positions en route) is very
> expensive.  I think the setup costs like $30,000 at each checkpoint.
>
> The ChampionChip system is used at the Michigan HS State XC Finals, which
> are now held at Michigan International Speedway, and hosts all FOUR
> Divisions, both Boys and Girls.  8 races in one day.
>
> There is a sensor at the 1 mile, 2 and 3, and FINISH of course.  We don't
> have any electronic scoreboard running during the races though.  They are
> able to have this many sensors because of the economy of scale of all the
> races being run on one day, on the same course.  I think they also do this
> as somewhat of a demo for their road racing customers.  The MIS also has
> deep pockets to pay for something like chip timing, thanks to parking and
> entrance fees for the many thousands of parents, teammates and friends who
> watch the races.
>





Re: t-and-f: My miserable Bruce Dern Moment

2001-12-17 Thread Dave Johnson

Indeed, it was the cover of what was then my favorite magazine.  I had
started my LDL subscription immediately after I won a copy of the April '69
issue (Yoshiaki Unetani on the cover) at one of Brownie's road races.
Obviously this was before I'd ever heard about T&FN.

At 12:30 PM -0800 17.12.2001, Mike Fanelli wrote:
>And, Tom, didn't that race make the cover of the late Browning Ross's "Long
>Distance Log"?
>
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>From: Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:58 AM
>Subject: t-and-f: My miserable Bruce Dern Moment
>
>
>> It was Rockland California in 1970 while my roomate Bob Deines was winning
>> the National 50 miler that I, after dropping out at 30 miles leaned
>against
>> a car with Bruce Dern who had also dropped out, and grumbled.
>> Tom, just getting over the shame of the DNF now, Derderian
>> Greater Boston Track Club
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "DANIEL DEYO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in T&F)
>>
>>
>> > Dern was the National 50 mile champ in the late 60's, early 70's.  Your
>> > magazine, Running Times did an article on Dern in the 80's that running
>> > saved his life.  I had the article cut out & saved, but it has been
>> > misplaced.  It told of his high school, collegiate & post collegiate
>> running
>> > career.  Is there a way to track it down?  Is it saved online anywhere?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>


Dave Johnson
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Re: t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread malmo

And there is no NCAA Championship in football, either.

>Message text written by Geoff Thurner
>>
>
>i'm adding a line to the record section (world/american/collegiate/hayward

>field/school) of the oregon track and field media guide and was wondering 

>if there was an official men's outdoor collegiate 3,000 record<
>
>The key word here, which Scott, Walter, and Malmo seem to have ignored or
>glossed over, is "official."  There are no official collegiate records.   

>
>Bob H
>
>




Re: t-and-f: Famous people in T&F (Garth=Javelin)

2001-12-17 Thread Steve Isham

Garth Brooks threw the javelin, at least in the set of pictures of him
at the '84 Big-8 outdoor Champs.
  http://strengthtech.com/photos/garthp/garthp.htm
I have read several accounts that he was strictly a jav thrower, so I'm
not sure he tj'd.

>>Garth Brooks was mentioned previously. In today's Parade Magazine in
>>your Sunday newspaper, there is an article on Garth Brooks that says he
>>went to Oklahoma State in 1980 as a freshman on a track scholarship. No
>>word on his event.>>
>
>Oklahoma State pressbook says he lettered 1981-84. I vaguely remember his
>being called a triple jumper once, but couldnt' swear to it.





RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread Mcewen, Brian T

I tried to couch it diplomatically, but it still caught attention.  Here is
why:

Track racers, no matter what the distance, always face this:  Sameness.

No track ever had a hill on it.  None of them ever had a deceptively long
homestretch, or a false-flat at the 5M mark that you forgot about, or never
knew of because you hadn't ever run the full course enough times.

Even in the only track distance race WITH obstacles, the Steeple, you know
EXACTLY how high they will be and where they are placed, how many per lap,
the distance from the last WJ to the finish, etc.

In any distance race you gauge your effort expended at that moment, and
where/when/how long you are going to apply a MAX-effort, by a few things:
How you feel RIGHT NOW; how you have felt over the whole race thus far;
where you are in relation to where you ought to be (ahead? behind? right in
it?); and where you are in relation to the watch (splits).

There are lots of other things, but those are the big ones.

As you circle the track in a 3k, Steeple, 5k or 10k, these things are VERY
PREDICTABLE.  The next lap will always be 400m, always be flat (excepting
the Steeple), and you can tell exactly how far it is to the finish.  You are
also given your cumulative time every lap, sometimes you get more, split
times, kilo splits, etc.  If you circle the track in 66, 67, 67, 68, 67, 67
... etc. and feel pretty good, based on experience, you can be pretty
confident you will finish the final 2k @ 67-pace.

They aren't going to build a hill, or a muddy hairpin, or a log jump on the
track as you are winding it up coming into the last mile.

In a "big-loop" XC race, you have NONE of these things.  You can't see the
entire course from where you are running at any moment.  You don't know
exactly how high or how long each hill is.  You have splits (sometimes), but
they are every K or mile at best and each is a split for a different K/mile.
You judge how you're doing by your own judgment.  The last mile will likely
be very different than the opening mile.  Hell, the last split you get is
1.1 to 1.2 miles from the finish!

Stage big-time XC races on a 1500m loop and you eliminate all of this.  That
would be 6-7 loops for College men.  You would like to have at least ONE big
challenge in a XC race, right?  Most courses worth their salt DO.  You
couldn't have that because that would mean SIX big hills.  Too many, IMO.
You couldn't have a long gradual hill, it would be 500m up, then 800m down,
200m flat.

By the 4th circuit, on any course, each racer has "learned the hill" (that's
what they call it in MTB racing).  This results in very tactical racing.
Also, a racer would have a split every lap that was the SAME LAP, over and
over.

In other words, hard-earned skills like self-knowledge, pace-judgment,
XC-experience, and tactical ability (not to mention knowledge of the
course!) would no longer hold as much advantage for the racer who earned
them.   

Make a 1500m-2k loop as varied and/or challenging as you want to, and it
will still be a 1500m race on grass, repeated 6 times.

I can't say I ever raced a long circuit-style XC race with any laps shorter
than 1 mile.  But I did ran plenty of repetitive 5k courses had no surprises
after the mile mark.  BORING.  We always preferred the park/forest-type
courses to the golf course-type courses.  I know that racers view these two
types differently as I have raced cyclocross and Mtn. bikes over both
extremes.  The "big-loop" race is always more popular and welcomed by the
racers as it rewards the "big-gear-pushers" and savvy racers instead of the
"wheel-suckers".

I can't speak for the "athletes", who in this case I presume are NCAA-level
men, and whether they would "appreciate and  approve of" a
"more...fan-friendly event".  I would have no idea what they all think.
 
I think (again, just my opinion, not the de facto standard) that a
(6x~1500m) or (5x2k) multi-loop XC race would take a lot of the FUN out of
it for ME.  To watch it or run in it.  Even if a digital scoreboard could
tell me that Stanford had CU, 76 points to 86, at the 5 mile mark.

/Brian McEwen

P.S.  In some XC-mad states you'd have to erect bleachers for the throngs of
fans.





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Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:37 PM
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross
Coun try Champs)


In a message dated Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:20:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
"Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Rather than have a 5 x 2k multi-loop setup for NCAA's that (in my opinion)
> turns it into a track race on grass, I don't see why they couldn't have
> sensors set up at 4k/6k/8k or 3k/6k/9k or something, on a normal course.
If
> the MHSAA can afford it, then the NCAA should be able to.  Or should want
> to.
> 
>
Why do you feel a short loop turns a cross race into a track race on grass?
There's still hills, mud, tu

Re: t-and-f: My miserable Bruce Dern Moment

2001-12-17 Thread Mike Fanelli

And, Tom, didn't that race make the cover of the late Browning Ross's "Long
Distance Log"?


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- Original Message -
From: Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:58 AM
Subject: t-and-f: My miserable Bruce Dern Moment


> It was Rockland California in 1970 while my roomate Bob Deines was winning
> the National 50 miler that I, after dropping out at 30 miles leaned
against
> a car with Bruce Dern who had also dropped out, and grumbled.
> Tom, just getting over the shame of the DNF now, Derderian
> Greater Boston Track Club
> - Original Message -
> From: "DANIEL DEYO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in T&F)
>
>
> > Dern was the National 50 mile champ in the late 60's, early 70's.  Your
> > magazine, Running Times did an article on Dern in the 80's that running
> > saved his life.  I had the article cut out & saved, but it has been
> > misplaced.  It told of his high school, collegiate & post collegiate
> running
> > career.  Is there a way to track it down?  Is it saved online anywhere?
> >
> >
>
>
>





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2001-12-17 Thread Kelley Halliburton

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> 
> Oklahoma State pressbook says he lettered 1981-84. I
> vaguely remember his being called a triple jumper
> once, but couldnt' swear to it.
> 

Garth Brooks was a javelin thrower at Oklahoma State.

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2001-12-17 Thread Mike Fanelli

Hey Bob Cooper,

Did you write the article that is being discussed in the attached e-mail??


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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in T&F)


> Dern was the National 50 mile champ in the late 60's, early 70's.  Your
> magazine, Running Times did an article on Dern in the 80's that running
> saved his life.  I had the article cut out & saved, but it has been
> misplaced.  It told of his high school, collegiate & post collegiate
running
> career.  Is there a way to track it down?  Is it saved online anywhere?
>
> - Original Message -
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> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:12 AM
> Subject: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in T&F)
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > >Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track
> team
> > >but it was before my time.
> >
> > He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his
> jr.
> > year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is
> > pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his
> sideburns.
> >
> > Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts
> > stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was
running
> > (and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think
> it's
> > titled "Running Free") is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly
> b/c
> > Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to
go
> > out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse.
> >
> > Jim Gerweck
> > Running Times
>
>
>





t-and-f: My miserable Bruce Dern Moment

2001-12-17 Thread Tom Derderian

It was Rockland California in 1970 while my roomate Bob Deines was winning
the National 50 miler that I, after dropping out at 30 miles leaned against
a car with Bruce Dern who had also dropped out, and grumbled.
Tom, just getting over the shame of the DNF now, Derderian
Greater Boston Track Club
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in T&F)


> Dern was the National 50 mile champ in the late 60's, early 70's.  Your
> magazine, Running Times did an article on Dern in the 80's that running
> saved his life.  I had the article cut out & saved, but it has been
> misplaced.  It told of his high school, collegiate & post collegiate
running
> career.  Is there a way to track it down?  Is it saved online anywhere?
>
>




t-and-f: Track & Field News "Final" 2001 U.S. Women's Lists

2001-12-17 Thread DLTFNedit

Okay, the 2002 indoor season is already underway, but it's never too late to check out 
 the 2001 "Final" U.S. women's 50-deep lists, available on the Track & Field News 
website:

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/lists2001/usoutw.html

Please e-mail any corrections/additions to me, BUT NOT AT THIS ADDRESS. Please send 
them to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Enjoy.

Dan Lilot
Statistician
Track & Field News



t-and-f: Re: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try >Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread welch suggs

1. Garth threw the javelin.
2. They used the ankle bracelets for relay runners at the Baltimore Marathon
this year. Kinda cool, esp. b/c there were 250 teams. We all got accurate
splits, or at least semi-accurate, though stopping to undo the chip was a
pain in the butt.
3. I went back up to Baltimore to watch the U.S. Cyclocross championships
this weekend, and everybody involved with CC should check this sport out.
Imagine cross country on bikes, on a spectator-friendly loop course, with
barriers and a full production team keeping everybody up-to-date on who's
winning and what's going on. And they had a lot of fans, which is astounding
for a sport that nobody not on two wheels has heard of.
  Cyclocross is kind of low-intensity mountain biking on specially-designed
road bikes. At times racers have to get off the bike and jump over little
(maybe 18-24") barriers, or run up a flight of steps. The men did 8 (I
think) loops around a hilly, winding, muddy 3k course, and the women did 6
loops. People are falling off their bikes, getting lapped, covered with
mud--it's absolutely wild.
  And enough companies are involved (Saturn, several health-insurance
outfits, manufacturers) to get TV time on the Outdoor Life Network, which
yielded constant music, announcers, and a decent-sized crowd. Imagine a
Nascar production where everybody smokes a lot of pot sted of chewing a lot
of tobacco, and you get an idea of what the scene was like.
  Road races/cross country/running in general could stand to steal a few
ideas from this bunch.
--Welch

> --
> 
> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:36:42 EST
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try
> Champs)
> 
> In a message dated Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:20:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> Rather than have a 5 x 2k multi-loop setup for NCAA's that (in my opinion)
>> turns it into a track race on grass, I don't see why they couldn't have
>> sensors set up at 4k/6k/8k or 3k/6k/9k or something, on a normal course.  If
>> the MHSAA can afford it, then the NCAA should be able to.  Or should want
>> to.
>> 
>>
> Why do you feel a short loop turns a cross race into a track race on grass?
> There's still hills, mud, turns, etc. The only difference is a spectator can
> see virtually the entire race. It makes it more of a fan-friendly event, which
> surely athletes will appreciate and approve of.
> sideshow




t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu

2001-12-17 Thread DANIEL DEYO

Dern was the National 50 mile champ in the late 60's, early 70's.  Your
magazine, Running Times did an article on Dern in the 80's that running
saved his life.  I had the article cut out & saved, but it has been
misplaced.  It told of his high school, collegiate & post collegiate running
career.  Is there a way to track it down?  Is it saved online anywhere?

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:12 AM
Subject: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in T&F)


>
> In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track
team
> >but it was before my time.
>
> He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his
jr.
> year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is
> pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his
sideburns.
>
> Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts
> stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was running
> (and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think
it's
> titled "Running Free") is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly
b/c
> Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to go
> out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse.
>
> Jim Gerweck
> Running Times




RE: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

2001-12-17 Thread GHTFNedit

In a message dated Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:56:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Mcewen, Brian 
T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> malmo is class of '73, and went to HS in Maryland.
> 
> Julia Roberts (~Moats) is about 30, making her Class of '89 (roughly). Eric Roberts 
>could be no more than 2 years older or younger than malmo. Making Julia 14 to 18 
>years younger than her brother Eric, give or take 6
> months.
> 
> 
> If Eric really was in some race during Malmo's 3 years of HS, Julia would
> have been real little.>>

Eric Roberts was born 4/18/56 in Biloxi, Miss; Julia was born 10/28/67 in Smyrna, Ga.

If you ever want personal data on movies and people in them, there's a 
fabulous-fabulous site at www.imdb.com (internet movie data-base).

gh




t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu

2001-12-17 Thread GHTFNedit

In a message dated Sun, 16 Dec 2001  8:30:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Edward Koch" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Garth Brooks was mentioned previously. In today's Parade Magazine in your
> Sunday newspaper, there is an article on Garth Brooks that says he went to
> Oklahoma State in 1980 as a freshman on a track scholarship. No word on his
> event.>>

Oklahoma State pressbook says he lettered 1981-84. I vaguely remember his being called 
a triple jumper once, but couldnt' swear to it.

gh




Re: t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread GHTFNedit

In a message dated Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:19:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, Geoff Thurner 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> 
> i'm adding a line to the record section (world/american/collegiate/hayward 
> field/school) of the oregon track and field media guide and was wondering 
> if there was an official men's outdoor collegiate 3,000 record>>

To wax Clintonian, first you have to define "official." A few years back, the NCAA 
quit recognizing Collegiate Records (they just do Meet Records), so I would suppose 
that any set of collegiate-records is therefore unofficial.

By T&FN standards, you can only set CRs through the NCAA, at which point we say the 
collegiate season is over. (You wouldn't say that Michael Jordan set an NCAA 
single-game scoring record of 125 points if he did it in July during a North Carolina 
tour of Europe.)

If you go to the T&FN website you'll find Chapa 7:37.70 as the "CR" with an appended 
section for "marks made outside the collegiate season" which indicates the existence 
of the Rono 7:32.1.

FAST (U.S. stat group) still uses the now-discarded T&FN system of including marks 
through end of August.

gh




t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread Robert Hersh


Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>You can bet if I ever happen to be announcing a meet and be fortunate
enough 
to see a collegian run faster than's Rono's mark, it WILL be announced as a

collegiate record!  The fans need to be made aware of what they have seen. 
I 
don't get wrapped up in the word "official."  Last year at Mt. SAC, there 
were two "American records" set in the Men's and Women's one mile walks and

they were most certainly annoucned as ARs, even though the distance is not 
"officially" recognized.
Scott
<

I have no quarrel with that, Scott.  I'd do the same thing for a Collegiate
record if I were announcing a domestic meet when one was set.  (In fact, I
suspect I've been there and done that.)  But that has nothing to do with my
point.  Geoff did not ask about the record.  He asked about the "official"
record--his word, not mine--and a correct answer to his question must
include the fact  that there is no such thing as an official collegiate
record.

Bob H



RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread DLTFNedit

In a message dated Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:20:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Mcewen, Brian 
T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Rather than have a 5 x 2k multi-loop setup for NCAA's that (in my opinion)
> turns it into a track race on grass, I don't see why they couldn't have
> sensors set up at 4k/6k/8k or 3k/6k/9k or something, on a normal course.  If
> the MHSAA can afford it, then the NCAA should be able to.  Or should want
> to.
> 
>
Why do you feel a short loop turns a cross race into a track race on grass? There's 
still hills, mud, turns, etc. The only difference is a spectator can see virtually the 
entire race. It makes it more of a fan-friendly event, which surely athletes will 
appreciate and approve of.
sideshow



Re: t-and-f: jagger at the olympics & other famous people

2001-12-17 Thread GHTFNedit

In a message dated Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:16:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 
> In a message dated 12/14/01 12:44:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >Jagger was at the 84 opening ceremonies in LA. 
> He often logs mileage in preparations for his gyrations during a tour >>

Last time I went to a Stones concert (4-5 years ago) there was a stage of about 150m 
in length across one end of the stadium, and I was blown away to see the Mickster 
literally running from one end of the stage nonstop during the show, while singing. At 
the end I figured he had put in about 5K! It was very impressive.

gh




Re: t-and-f: More on Mathis, original request

2001-12-17 Thread GHTFNedit

In a message dated Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:14:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Y ask:
> 
> Here's what my paper (a major metropolitan daily north of Tijuana and south of Camp 
>Pendleton) said a year and a half ago about Mathis-the-jumper during a report on 
>masters record holder Phil Fehlen: .
> 
> Quite an accomplishment for the Stanford University graduate (philosophy major), 
>whose personal record is 7-0 1/2 and who competed in the 1956 and 1960 U.S. Olympic 
>Trials.>>

whoop-whoop-whoop! The BS meter just went off. Fehlen indeed competed in the OT of '56 
and '60, but his PR (according to T&FN lists) was just 6-10 (in '61 and '62). In the 
era in which he competed there had only been a handaful of U.S. 7-footers ever.

gh




RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Country Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread Oleg Shpyrko

Another angle to ChampionChip-type timing system used in XC - which I am
sure
has been discussed here already - one could use this system to make the
race more team-oriented and spectator-friendly. In addition to announcing
top runners and their splits, one could have immediate access to team
standings
as soon as the fifth man hits the checkpoint. This could be done almost
instantaneously
(they got those fancy things called computers which can add five numbers
pretty darn fast!)
regardless of whether the scoring is by places or by time. Imagine being
able to follow
the "oh-so-close" Stanford/Colorado battle for team title at this year's
NCAAs while it developed.
This would make XC a whole different type of sport, from a spectator's point
of view, and put
more emphasis on the team aspect of the competition.

Oleg.

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Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross
Country Champs)


This has been discussed in my state (Michigan) where ChampionChip Timing was
founded (by a guy I know who grew up about 35 minutes from me).

I think the problem is that the sensor "set-up" that senses the chip and
takes the split (and therefore the runner's positions en route) is very
expensive.  I think the setup costs like $30,000 at each checkpoint.

The ChampionChip system is used at the Michigan HS State XC Finals, which
are now held at Michigan International Speedway, and hosts all FOUR
Divisions, both Boys and Girls.  8 races in one day.

There is a sensor at the 1 mile, 2 and 3, and FINISH of course.  We don't
have any electronic scoreboard running during the races though.  They are
able to have this many sensors because of the economy of scale of all the
races being run on one day, on the same course.  I think they also do this
as somewhat of a demo for their road racing customers.  The MIS also has
deep pockets to pay for something like chip timing, thanks to parking and
entrance fees for the many thousands of parents, teammates and friends who
watch the races.

Rather than have a 5 x 2k multi-loop setup for NCAA's that (in my opinion)
turns it into a track race on grass, I don't see why they couldn't have
sensors set up at 4k/6k/8k or 3k/6k/9k or something, on a normal course.  If
the MHSAA can afford it, then the NCAA should be able to.  Or should want
to.

I guess a wrinkle that I didn't consider is that on a "big-loop" course each
split would need it's own scoreboard for the display, and it would need
electricity.  A multi-loop (5x2k for men, 3x2k for women) course would only
need one sensor and one display.

There must be a challenge that is not easily seen, because the chip-timing
providers must be busting to provide it as, like you said, it would be a
real breakthrough in spectating for XC.  Maybe the display board is even
more expensive than the mid-race sensors.

/Brian McEwen



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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: European Cross Country Champs


I don't believe the Euro XC Champs held this past weekend in Thun,
Switzerland have been mentioned yet.

Ukrainian Sergey Lebed won, adding to his '98 crown and moving up one place
from last year. He stopped Paulo Guerra's streak at 2 (Guerra has won it 4
times).

Photos on the race website (http://www.eaa-athletics.ch/) show competitors
wearing ankle bracelets which are apparently some kind of timing chip. The
great thing is that because the course was 1500m, they have complete
results, including team scores after every lap, on the site. I don't know if
they were able to announce these team scores each lap at the race, but it
would definitely make cross viewing more enjoyable.

I think we need to have more courses like this in the U.S. The Vancouver, Wa
course for nationals is a good 2000m loop, but team scoring at this race is
almost an afterthought. We need this kind of technology at the NCAA's.
sideshow




RE: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

2001-12-17 Thread Mcewen, Brian T

malmo is class of '73, and went to HS in Maryland.

Julia Roberts (~Moats) is about 30, making her Class of '89 (roughly).

Eric Roberts could be no more than 2 years older or younger than malmo.

Making Julia 14 to 18 years younger than her brother Eric, give or take 6
months.


If Eric really was in some race during Malmo's 3 years of HS, Julia would
have been real little.


/Brian 


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Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:30 PM
To: malmo
Cc: 'Richard McCann'; 'T&FMail List'
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?



You ran against Eric Roberts?  Did his sister Julia show up to cheer him
on?

Also, in high school (in Mississippi I believe) he wasn't known as Eric
Roberts.  Roberts is the family stage name.  Eric and Julia Roberts'  real
last name is Moats.

Kurt Bray




 

malmo

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ESPN football analyst Bryan Burwell was a hurdler on my HS track team.

I've been told in high school I once ran against Eric Roberts ("the
Bedbug took my thumb!").

malmo



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:53 PM
To: T&FMail List
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?


At 10:00 PM 12/12/2001 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote..
Some I know of along with their event:
Ahmad Rashad (Bobby Moore) LJ-Oregon
Wilt Chamberlin - HJ - Kansas
Michael Jordan - TJ - North Carolina
Terry Bradshaw - JT - high on the high school all time list
Jim Ryun - Mile Kansas
Bob Hayes - 100m
Michael Carter - SP SMU
Michael Landon - JT USC


Richard McCann













Re: t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread Ssd

You can bet if I ever happen to be announcing a meet and be fortunate enough 
to see a collegian run faster than's Rono's mark, it WILL be announced as a 
collegiate record!  The fans need to be made aware of what they have seen.  I 
don't get wrapped up in the word "official."  Last year at Mt. SAC, there 
were two "American records" set in the Men's and Women's one mile walks and 
they were most certainly annoucned as ARs, even though the distance is not 
"officially" recognized.
Scott



Re: t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread Ssd

It must also be noted that USATF uses the marks through September 1.  Only 
Track and Field News stops after NCAA meet.  Moroever, in answer to Bob's 
question about the "official" record, while it is true that the NCAA only 
worries about meet records, the Rono mark is still the record.  Whether you 
want to use FAST, USATF or TFN, they are still the "records."
Scott



t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu

2001-12-17 Thread Dave Johnson

At 9:12 AM -0500 17.12.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>>Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team
>>but it was before my time.
>
>He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his jr.
>year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is
>pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his sideburns.
>
---

The story is accurate.  The coach was Ken Doherty, who had a fairly good
string of middle distance runners at the time.  But as is always the case
with any coach having a relay team, Doherty needed one more guy for a shot
at doing well in the 4-Mile relay at Penn.  Dern was the most likely
suspect, and Doherty had convinced him to go out at about 2:10-2:12 and
come back with whatever was left, hoping for a 4:20-4:25.

Dern, who was a 1:54-type half-miler then, went out in 2:00 and died big
time, running mid-4:30s or so, and taking Penn out of the race.  Doherty
wasn't happy.

Dave Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





RE: t-and-f: European Cross Country Champs

2001-12-17 Thread Mcewen, Brian T

In my interest in the results and the chip-timing I overlooked that these
Euro Champs were held in Thun.

In addition to having rabid XC fans within short driving distance of
Switzerland, Thun has another advantage.  They have hosted many
international-level cyclocross and mountain bike races over the years.  Both
of these sports are conducted on the same surface as XC running and are
endurance races that use multi-loop courses. (ergo the benefit of the
chip-timing and en route display).

Cyclocross laps are usually about a kilo or slightly longer, and the races
are 1 hour for senior men.  MTB race sites that are real estate-challenged
will be 3-5k per lap, and 1:30-2:30 depending on the event.

There is a LOT of money involved in cycle racing in Europe and therefore
they would have a leg-up in the presentation of an exciting XC meet like the
Euro Champs.

/Brian McEwen 




-Original Message-
From: Kevin Hadsell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: European Cross Country Champs


I had the opportunity to be there for the meet and it was quite amazing.
Yes, the anklet was the chip timing system.  The reason that it was on the
ankle is because they had no idea if the course was going to be muddy and if
it was, they were afraid of the shoes coming off and this eliminated that
fear.  It was also much easier to get them on and off instead of having to
lace and unlace your shoes.

Yes, they did give the full results after each lap of the race.  Not only
were they announced (in German and English) but the entire race was being
televised live on Eurosport which was fed through a giant 30' jumbotron
erected even with the finish line so you could stand in one spot and see the
entire race either live or on the big screen.

Thun is a very small town and yet there were thousands of people there to
view the race.  Many brought giant cow bells the size of basketballs.

The junior races were very tough. Turkish girl (by way of Ethiopia) that won
is the real deal.  Portugese women's team was very big suprise winner over
Russia and France which seemed to be tough in the early stages.

It was an incredible day of cross country.  I feel lucky enough to have been
there to witness it all.

Kevin Hadsell
Head Coach
University of Toledo

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't believe the Euro XC Champs held this past weekend in Thun,
Switzerland have been mentioned yet.
>
> Ukrainian Sergey Lebed won, adding to his '98 crown and moving up one
place from last year. He stopped Paulo Guerra's streak at 2 (Guerra has won
it 4 times).
>
> Photos on the race website (http://www.eaa-athletics.ch/) show competitors
wearing ankle bracelets which are apparently some kind of timing chip. The
great thing is that because the course was 1500m, they have complete
results, including team scores after every lap, on the site. I don't know if
they were able to announce these team scores each lap at the race, but it
would definitely make cross viewing more enjoyable.
>
> I think we need to have more courses like this in the U.S. The Vancouver,
Wa course for nationals is a good 2000m loop, but team scoring at this race
is almost an afterthought. We need this kind of technology at the NCAA's.
> sideshow



RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Country Champs)

2001-12-17 Thread Mcewen, Brian T

This has been discussed in my state (Michigan) where ChampionChip Timing was
founded (by a guy I know who grew up about 35 minutes from me).

I think the problem is that the sensor "set-up" that senses the chip and
takes the split (and therefore the runner's positions en route) is very
expensive.  I think the setup costs like $30,000 at each checkpoint.

The ChampionChip system is used at the Michigan HS State XC Finals, which
are now held at Michigan International Speedway, and hosts all FOUR
Divisions, both Boys and Girls.  8 races in one day.

There is a sensor at the 1 mile, 2 and 3, and FINISH of course.  We don't
have any electronic scoreboard running during the races though.  They are
able to have this many sensors because of the economy of scale of all the
races being run on one day, on the same course.  I think they also do this
as somewhat of a demo for their road racing customers.  The MIS also has
deep pockets to pay for something like chip timing, thanks to parking and
entrance fees for the many thousands of parents, teammates and friends who
watch the races.

Rather than have a 5 x 2k multi-loop setup for NCAA's that (in my opinion)
turns it into a track race on grass, I don't see why they couldn't have
sensors set up at 4k/6k/8k or 3k/6k/9k or something, on a normal course.  If
the MHSAA can afford it, then the NCAA should be able to.  Or should want
to.

I guess a wrinkle that I didn't consider is that on a "big-loop" course each
split would need it's own scoreboard for the display, and it would need
electricity.  A multi-loop (5x2k for men, 3x2k for women) course would only
need one sensor and one display.

There must be a challenge that is not easily seen, because the chip-timing
providers must be busting to provide it as, like you said, it would be a
real breakthrough in spectating for XC.  Maybe the display board is even
more expensive than the mid-race sensors.

/Brian McEwen



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I don't believe the Euro XC Champs held this past weekend in Thun,
Switzerland have been mentioned yet.

Ukrainian Sergey Lebed won, adding to his '98 crown and moving up one place
from last year. He stopped Paulo Guerra's streak at 2 (Guerra has won it 4
times).

Photos on the race website (http://www.eaa-athletics.ch/) show competitors
wearing ankle bracelets which are apparently some kind of timing chip. The
great thing is that because the course was 1500m, they have complete
results, including team scores after every lap, on the site. I don't know if
they were able to announce these team scores each lap at the race, but it
would definitely make cross viewing more enjoyable.

I think we need to have more courses like this in the U.S. The Vancouver, Wa
course for nationals is a good 2000m loop, but team scoring at this race is
almost an afterthought. We need this kind of technology at the NCAA's.
sideshow



Fw: t-and-f: Famous people/(Bruce Dern)

2001-12-17 Thread Mike Fanelli

> The movie being referenced is called "On the Edge." It is based upon the
> Dipsea Race, a point-to-point 7.6 mile extremely vertical trail race that,
> since 1905 has run from downtown Mill Valley to the Pacific Ocean at
Stinson
> Beach...via Mt. Tamalpais.
>
> Garry Bjorklund is in the movie and one of the directors is Roy Kissin.
>
>
>
>
> Mike Fanelli
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>
>
> > Bruce Dern was a serious runner in HS, don't know what he accomplished
(if
> > anything) at Penn.  He used to run a mile time trial every year on his
> > birthday, attempting to beat his HS PR.  I read that about 15 years ago.
> He
> > also starred in a movie about an aging runner competing to win the
Dipsea
> > Race, a NorCal trail race from the mountains to the ocean.  I think this
> was
> > (is?) a real race (someone will know) held in the Bay Area with a long
> > history.
> >
> > I think he ran a good 880 in HS and something like a 4:48 for a mile.
> That
> > was his target to beat in the birthday time trial.  This was all in a
> > feature in Runner magazine a long time ago.
> >
> > More than you wanted to know,
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Edward Koch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:32 PM
> > To: Johntherunner
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Famous people in T&F
> >
> >
> > Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track
team
> > but it was before my time. I remember hearing something about it when
when
> > of his movies came out during my college days.
> >
> > Ed Koch
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Johntherunner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Johntherunner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:40 AM
> > Subject: t-and-f: Famous people in T&F
> >
> >
> > >Didn't Bruce Dern run in High School (880 I think) and Jack Lemmon as
> well?
> > >I know Dern competed in Ultramarathons in the early 70's.
> > >
> > >John the crazy alaskan runner
> > >
> >
> >
>
>





RE: t-and-f: Famous people in T&F (Bruce Dern)

2001-12-17 Thread Mcewen, Brian T

Bruce Dern was a serious runner in HS, don't know what he accomplished (if
anything) at Penn.  He used to run a mile time trial every year on his
birthday, attempting to beat his HS PR.  I read that about 15 years ago.  He
also starred in a movie about an aging runner competing to win the Dipsea
Race, a NorCal trail race from the mountains to the ocean.  I think this was
(is?) a real race (someone will know) held in the Bay Area with a long
history.

I think he ran a good 880 in HS and something like a 4:48 for a mile.  That
was his target to beat in the birthday time trial.  This was all in a
feature in Runner magazine a long time ago.

More than you wanted to know,
Brian




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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Famous people in T&F


Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team
but it was before my time. I remember hearing something about it when when
of his movies came out during my college days.

Ed Koch


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Date: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:40 AM
Subject: t-and-f: Famous people in T&F


>Didn't Bruce Dern run in High School (880 I think) and Jack Lemmon as well?
>I know Dern competed in Ultramarathons in the early 70's.
>
>John the crazy alaskan runner
>



t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu

2001-12-17 Thread JimRTimes


In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team
>but it was before my time. 

He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his jr. 
year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is 
pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his sideburns.

Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts 
stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was running 
(and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think it's 
titled "Running Free") is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly b/c 
Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to go 
out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse.

Jim Gerweck
Running Times



t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread Robert Hersh

Message text written by Geoff Thurner
>

i'm adding a line to the record section (world/american/collegiate/hayward 
field/school) of the oregon track and field media guide and was wondering 
if there was an official men's outdoor collegiate 3,000 record<

The key word here, which Scott, Walter, and Malmo seem to have ignored or
glossed over, is "official."  There are no official collegiate records.   

Bob H



Re: t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread WMurphy25


In a message dated 12/17/01 2:41:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< That's it.  7:32.1 in Oslo on 27 June 1978.  Rudy Chapa of the Ducks is #2 
at 
7:37.70 in Eugene on 10 May 1979.
Scott Davis >>

  It has to be noted that Track and Field News(www.trackandfieldnews.com), 
which no longer recognizes marks occurring after the NCAA Championships 
(USATF?), lists Chapa's mark as the collegiate record. They list Rono's mark 
in a category titled "Marks Made Outside Regular Collegiate Season".  FAST 
(Federation of American Statisticians of Track) still accepts all marks made 
until September 1 of the athlete's senior year. (Scott is the president of 
FAST)
   

Walt Murphy



RE: t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread malmo

Legit? I'll say. One of his five world records. Presumably, it was a
collegiate record. ;)

malmo

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i'm adding a line to the record section
(world/american/collegiate/hayward 
field/school) of the oregon track and field media guide and was
wondering 
if there was an official men's outdoor collegiate 3,000 record

supposedly henry rono from washington state ran 7:32.1 in 1978 -- but i 
wanted to confirm that mark as legitimate before i published it (or in
case 
there was a faster mark)

anybody know of any better collegiate marks?

thanks,

g





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Re: t-and-f: american men's outdoor collegiate record - 3k?

2001-12-17 Thread Ssd

That's it.  7:32.1 in Oslo on 27 June 1978.  Rudy Chapa of the Ducks is #2 at 
7:37.70 in Eugene on 10 May 1979.
Scott Davis