Re: [GTALUG] IBM Acquires Red Hat for $34B | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

[David Ing isss--- via talk]

James, thanks for that Monday morning news link.  I've added it to the
response (since someone asked on Sunday) at
https://www.quora.com/Does-IBM-s-acquisition-of-Red-Hat-hurt-the-open-source-community/answer/David-Ing-4

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 11:36 AM James Knott via talk 
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> IIRC, IBM had done a lot of work with SUSE in the past.
>
>
> https://www.pcmag.com/news/364649/ibm-acquires-red-hat-for-34b?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=whatsnewnow&utm_medium=title
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Re: [GTALUG] Lenovo ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint

[David Ing isss--- via talk]

The current Thinkpad Wired USB Keyboard with Trackpoint matches the layout
on current Thinkpads (i.e. later than T430, X230, ...).

I preferred the predecessor model as better built, matching the original
Thinkpad keyboard layouts (i.e. earlier than T420, X220, ...).  However,
that model has been discontinued for some years, and available on eBay only
at outrageous prices.

I just replaced my keyboard of 2015 with the exact same model.  It's the
only practical choice if you want a keyboard with a Trackpoint.  After I
got the replacement, my friend Don tried to fix the old one -- see
http://dontai.com/wp/2018/09/06/thinkpad-wired-usb-keyboard-with-trackpoint-0b47190-disassembly-and-cleaning/
-- but the fix only works intermittently.  (I use the right mouse button, a
lot!)

The external keyboard, as an alternative to a built-in keyboard on a
Thinkpad, has been a standard for me for many decades.  Way back, the
company had to get the built-in keyboard replaced because I have a heavy
touch, and would wear it out.  It's much cheaper (and ergonomically better)
to have an external keyboard that plugs into my Thinkpad dock, that is
field-replaceable.  I'm so used to the Trackpoint that working on a
trackpad or mouse really slows me down.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:56 PM William Park via talk 
wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 06:35:42PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote:
> > The also make a USB only version, which I have two of as daily drivers
> for
> > at home and work.
> >
> https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190
>
> I bought one for $60 from lenovo.ca, and just got it this morning.
> After using it for 1 full day, I found that its $60 price is reasonable.
> Think of it as $30 keyboard and $20 mouse, plus $10 premium for
> integrating into one package.
>
> - UPS delivered the package crushed and ripped on one side.  But, I
>   don't see any physical damage to the content or missing parts.
>   There is only 2 parts: keyboard and micro-USB cable.
>
> - Key press feels and sounds cheap.  Keyboard on real ThinkPad
>   laptop is way better.
>
> - The keyboard is light, compact, and it flexes.  But, rubber feets
>   and risers don't slip.
>
> - PAGEUP and PAGEDOWN are with inverted-T arrows.  And, HOME, END,
>   INSERT, DELETE are located linearly on top row.  I have to look
>   down to see where all the keys are.
>
> - Fn key is left-most key where Ctrl should be.  I'll never get used
>   to this.
>
> - ESC is too small, and I'm a vi-guy.
>
> In conclusion, if you're short of desk space, then it's good option.
> It's not for doing real work, at least for me.
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Re: [GTALUG] Anyone here using Manjaro or OpenSUSE?

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When I was running into a few VPN configuration issues with Kubuntu 17.10
(on a multi-boot Thinkpad that already had Ubuntu and Deepin Linux), I
reformatted the partition and installed Manjaro KDE as a fourth distro
targeting the same /home.

The AUR, as compared to PPAs in Ubuntu (or using Gdebi to install deb
files) has been a good reason for me to switch to Manjaro KDE from
Kubuntu.  Firstly, when Ubuntu version upgrades happen (particularly in
non-LTS updates), the PPAs have to be updated and reinstalled.  Since these
are volunteer efforts, I've found some of the more obscure Linux packages
that I use not fully "supported" -- in the sense that installation isn't so
straightforward.

In particular, one benefit of moving to Manjaro has been that Java 6 is
still in the AUR!  I have an old bookkeeping package where I need an older
version (to migrate off!) and Java 6 has been practically impossible for me
to install on any Debian-based distro. (I'm okay, but not a master as an
Ubuntu system administrator for myself).

The Manjaro community has been responsive.  As compared to the Ubuntu
world, where there are a lot of forums, and then bug reporting, the Manjaro
community only has a forum.  There's no way to report a bug in Manjaro, per
se -- and that's not a negative, it turns out to be a positive.  Since
Manjaro is a rolling release, the fixes really have to be in the packages
themselves (e.g. I'm having some KDE issues with Libreoffice updating from
KDE4 to KDE5, but at least the Manjaro team has been helpful with
workarounds).

One annoyance -- that you may not encounter -- is that Manjaro-Arch Grub is
not the same as Ubuntu-Debian Grub.  Thus, after I do an Ubuntu or Kubuntu
update, I need to repeat a fix, that I've documented at
https://ingbrief.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/restoring-manjaro-grub-after-ubuntu-upgrade/
.

For me, I see long term benefits for being on Manjaro KDE as my main
distro.  I had tried Manjaro Deepin (which is beautiful) in supporting a
friend, but the difference in Grub versions creates too much support work.
I've put her on Deepin Linux (and update myself rarely, before I go to
visit her for a tuneup).

For a bootable USB distro, I'm not sure that there's much benefit for using
Manjaro KDE.  For a portable USB emergency kit, I would probably use Ubuntu
(although I detest Gnome 3 over Unity), or maybe Xubuntu.  On all of the
computers that my wife uses, I've standardized on Xubuntu LTS, because she
doesn't want to fiddle with different desktops, and doesn't use much beyond
the browser and standard applications.  Given the VPN issues that I've had
with Ubuntu 17.10/18.04, I'm not planning on updating her Xubuntu 16.04
anytime soon.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 12:15 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk 
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> Hi all.
>
> I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a
> long time.
> I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE.
>
> Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there
> is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of
> issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
>
> Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps
> that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are
> dealbreakers if I can't use them.
>
> All answers are appreciated. The system is to be installed on an SSD, if
> that makes a difference.
>
> Thanks!
> --
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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting companies providing Linux shell accounts?

[David Ing isss--- via talk]

@Stewart, my response to "What's a good Canadian web hosting provider?" is
1200 words, plus I wrote on the answer wiki:

---

A Canadian web hosting provider should:

   1. have servers located in Canada;
   2. be owned by Canadian citizens or registered as a Canadian
   corporation; and
   3. comply with The Personal Information Protection and Electronic
   Documents Act (PIPEDA)
   
<https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/privacy-topics/privacy-laws-in-canada/the-personal-information-protection-and-electronic-documents-act-pipeda/>
set
   by the Canadian government (rather than the USA PATRIOT ACT
   <http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pubs_pol/gospubs/tbm_128/usapa/faq-eng.asp>).

A positive feature would be acceptance of payment in Canadian dollars
(rather than a requirement of U.S. dollars).

---

I considered 7 alternatives:  Planethoster, HostUpon, Web Hosting Canada,
Funio, Cirrus Tech, Dynamic Hosting, and Hostpapa.

Different people make different decisions, based on their own needs.




On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:05 PM Stewart C. Russell via talk <
talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 11:01 David Ing isss--- via talk,  <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
>
> Karen,
>
> In November 2016, I had changed shared hosting companies.  My search
> is described at
> https://www.quora.com/Whats-a-good-Canadian-web-hosting-provider .
>
>
> Can you summarize here, please? Quora blocks content unless you're a
> registered user.
>
> A mostly thumbs-down from me for 1and1, even though I've used them for
> 15 years. They do have Linux shell access, but my complaint is more
> about their use of https certificates as a cash cow: you get one per
> account, linked to one domain. Further certificates cost money, and they
> actively block Let's Encrypt usage.
>
>  Stewart
>
> (accidentally sent that last one off-list)
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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting companies providing Linux shell accounts?

[David Ing isss--- via talk]

Karen,

In November 2016, I had changed shared hosting companies.  My search is
described at
https://www.quora.com/Whats-a-good-Canadian-web-hosting-provider .

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:56 PM Karen Lewellen via talk 
wrote:

> Hi All,
> The organization for whom I work presently has a shared hosting account
> with dreamhost.  Recently though they made a change that prevents me from
> accessing my work shell account with the combination of adaptive
> technology tools I must use.
> so, I am seeking a new hosting that includes shell accounts with their
> offerings,  Dreamhost used Ubuntu, but I have done this with freebsd as
> well.
> Ideas of where to start?
> Thanks,
> Karen
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Re: [GTALUG] Alternative to Rogers

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I will endorse KnowRoaming.  I started using their SIM (in a second phone)
for my travels to Europe and Asia.  I pay-as-I-go for roaming data, and
have found the service works well at a reasonable price.  I prefer using
wifi (on my primary phone), but when I'm lost and need a connection, I
don't think that I've every paid more than $20 for a week's use (and it's
usually $10).

My main phone is the Freedom Mobile, on a legacy offer that covered Ontario
only for $30 per month.  When I go to the U.S., I turn on the Ready-to-Go,
and then turn it off when I return.

The international roaming service on Freedom Mobile was much better, 3 or 4
years ago as Wind Mobile, than now.  I first noticed that World Traveller
didn't cover Ireland, then Finland, and then Austria.  (UK and Germany,
yes).  Hence the switch to KnowRoaming, which works even in China.  In the
U.S., it's more convenient to maintain the primary Freedom phone number, so
I don't use KnowRoaming there.

This approach really optimizes for international roaming, at the expense of
local service.  I live in downtown Toronto, and still pay for a landline,
so service interruptions are actually okay for me.  Before the LTE was
enabled late last year, I noticed that my service inside concrete buildings
wasn't good, while friends could use Bell or Rogers without difficulty.

I also have a free phone number on Fongo.  When I'm travelling overseas and
want to make a call back to Canada over wifi, sometimes Fongo works better
than Google Hangout phone calls.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Andrew Paolucci via talk 
wrote:

> Full Disclosure: I worked for my telecommunication suggestion previously.
>
> There is a local company called KnowRoaming that sells both hard and soft
> sim options that can operate in any and all countries. KnowRoaming is a
> Canadian MVNO operating via a wholly owned American subsidiary Telecom
> North America which operates as a full MNO in the USA.
>
> The quality of service won't be the same you'd get on our national
> carriers but this product would give you the option to use either Robbers
> or Bellus at your own will.
>
> Hopefully this is an option that fits your needs!
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Paolucci
> ​
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On 3 April 2018 10:57 AM, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:
>
> > ​​
> >
> > On 3 April 2018 at 10:01, Dave Cramer davecra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > At $5 US it's pretty close to 6 CDN?
> >
> > Take a look at the monthly plans. They have a $40 for 30 days plan
> >
> > that looks pretty good.
> >
> >
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Re: [GTALUG] which fits in better with Gnome3 -- MATE or Cinnamon?

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With Ubuntu 12.04, the performance of Unity on my Thinkpad X200 (Core 2
Duo, 8GB RAM) was slow, so I used the Gnome Fallback (which was Gnome 2).

With Ubuntu 14.04, Gnome Fallback was no longer available, so I install
Mate, and used that an alternative desktop.  It mostly stayed out of the
way of Unity, and included a different terminal and file manager.  I tried
Cinnamon, but that caused so many conflicts that I seem to recall having to
practically do a reinstall of Ubuntu.  Ubuntu 14.04 with a Mate desktop was
snappy and productive.

With Ubuntu 16.04, Unity performance had improved so much that Mate wasn't
really necessary.  However, the impending move at Ubuntu 18.04 from Unity
has caused me to explore alternative desktops.  KDE Plasma 5.9 on top of
Ubuntu 16.04 caused issues with LightDM.  Rather than fight the issues, I
moved to Kubuntu 17.04 (with KDE Plasma 5.9) and was really impressed with
performance.  I've now moved to Kubuntu 17.10 because an advanced setting
for an L2TP VPN was fixed with that.

So, if you're looking at coexistence with Gnome 3, my guess is that Mate
would causes fewer issues.

If the user is coming from a Windows experience, it's worth paying
attention to KDE Plasma after version 5.9, as the development processes on
the team have changed drastically over the past 2 years.  The desktop team
now works primarily on KDE Neon (frequent updates to KDE on an Ubuntu LTS
base), and there seems to be enough crossover members so that Kubuntu (at
the non-LTS version) gets integrated and updated.

If the user is coming from a Mac experience, I now recommend Deepin Linux,
which is a complete desktop environment (centered out of Wuhan, China)
built on top of Debian unstable.  I had tried Manjaro Deepin, but Arch
wasn't playing well with Grub on a triple-boot laptop.  A casual Mac user
would probably prefer the integration in Deepin Linux, while the hard core
developer coming from a Mac might prefer the depth of Arch repositories
available via Manjaro Deepin.

This reports on my experiments in 2017.  I have a colleague from Finland
who is on an assignment in China, so my computer support for her needs to
be bulletproof.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:10 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <
talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

> [Second try at posting this to the list.]
>
> In my world (mostly Fedora), the normal desktop is Gnome3, including its
> shell.
>
> Sometimes people ask me for a good old desktop, and I know the answer must
> be MATE or Cinnamon.
>
> Originally MATE was a fork of GNOME 2 and so I assumed that it would
> conflict with an already-installed Gnome 3 in some ways.
>
> Since Cinnamon was a fork of Gnome 3, I similarly assumed it would
> co-exist well with Gnome 3.
>
> I'm not sure of that any longer after reading the wikipedia pages.
>
> Some criteria for co-existance:
>
> - (pretty basic) can both be installed at one time.  So no make conflicts.
>
> - (asperational) installed GNOME applications can run under the other
>   shell
>
> - (asperational) installed applications for the other environment can run
>   under the GNOME Shell
>
> Most comparisons are old.  Here's a recent one, but it doesn't seem
> that useful:
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Re: [GTALUG] Desktop swap

[David Ing isss--- via talk]

Hugh, the question from Evan was about experiences.

Evan's original question was about having both KDE and Cinnamon on Linux
Mint.  I haven't replicated that situation directly, but am close with
Unity and KDE on Ubuntu.

While the majority of voices on the web seem to be believe that Ubuntu +
KDE Desktop (installed via Synaptic) --> Kubuntu, my experience is that
that isn't 100% valid.  I'm finding that Kubuntu (and its associated
bundled products) are sufficiently different from Ubuntu that the practical
way for coherence is to keep them separate.   As an example, KDE Connect
finds my Android phone practically out of the box on Kubuntu.  In theory,
installing KDE Connect installs on Ubuntu from Synaptic, but then I
couldn't configure it to connect, and discovered the many bug reports of
people not getting that to work.

I don't have enough experiences with Fedora to comment on that.  And, I
suspect the fans of Arch are snickering about whether the desktop
environment can (or should) be fully decoupled from the underlying
infrastructure.  The fact the KDE team seems to do development first on KDE
Neon continuously, and then Kubuntu into 6 month releases, speaks to how
complicated packaging the distros can be.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 4:01 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk  wrote:

> | From: David Ing isss--- via talk 
>
> | The better way to handle mutliple desktop environments is to have
> separate
> | root partitions for each Linux distribution that you're going to install.
>
> Golly, that sounds like overkill.  Or buggy distros.  Or buggy Desktop
> Environments.
>
> I'm using Fedora 26 on this notebook.  After I read this message, I
> installed KDE (alongside the standard Gnome desktop).  Fedora has a lot of
> Desktop Environmants that you can choose to nstall.
>
> sudo dnf group install 'KDE (K Desktop Environment)'
>
> I then logged out, told GDM to make my session KDE (or maybe Plasma, I
> don't remember).  It doesn't seem to be a problem.
>
> What symptoms should I be looking for in Desktop Environment clashes?
>
> I generally gave up fussing with desktops in the late 1980's.  I got
> tired of "investing" and then having my choices washed away by the
> Next Thing.  So I'm not too discenring and may have missed some
> problems.
>
> Fedora supposedly supports a bunch of Desktop Environments and I have
> no reason to doubt this.
>
> My son has some complaints about a light-weight Desktop Environment
> (LXDE?) and sound on an old Fedora.  So not every DE works equally well.
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Re: [GTALUG] Desktop swap

[David Ing isss--- via talk]

Evan, as I had said in the lightning talk at the August meeting, I just
moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to Kubuntu 17.04 on three computers.

I had first tried installing the KDE environment on top of Ubuntu 16.04.
While there's lot of chatter that it's easy to do this with Synaptic
Package Manager, I highly recommend against this.  The installation of KDE
caused a problem "Unity greeter doesn't show other desktop environments,
yet allows login to Unity" that I reported with the Ubuntu lightdm package
.  Since
Canoncal is ceasing development of Unity, this problem wasn't going to be
fixed.

The better way to handle mutliple desktop environments is to have separate
root partitions for each Linux distribution that you're going to install.
This is relatively easy with an xBuntu manual installation.  I first had to
move \home onto its own partition, and found that the KDE Partition Manager
(booted from a Kubuntu 17.04 live USB) worked

when GParted (booted from an Ubuntu 16.04 live USB) did not.

With this success, I've just had some free time come up, so I'm going to do
some more disk partitioning to have multiple Linux distros on the same
physical disk(s).  Across the xBuntu distros, using the same \home and
\swap partitions will work.  Since the different partitions have different
roots, it does mean reinstalling some of the same packages multiple times
(e.g. LibreOffice could be at different versions for different distros).

I am new to KDE, having using Gnome and then Unity on Ubuntu since 2008.  I
made the change after some research, including a watching a talk by Jonathan
Riddell on KDE Neon at the FlossUK Spring Conference 2017 on Youtube
.  I like that the KDE
community has revamped their development methods, with rapid releases under
continuous integration.  Practically, however, I do use GTK apps and want
some stability, so I've gone with Kubuntu rather than KDE Neon.

I had tried the Cinnamon desktop on top of Ubuntu 14.04 some years back.
The results weren't consistent with the experiences related by others.  My
suspicion is that Mint Linux with Cinnamon is better integrated than just
installing Ubuntu and putting on the Cinnamon desktop.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk 
wrote:

> On 31 July 2017 at 13:11,  wrote:
>
>> Mageia 6 supports over 25 desktop environments and window managers.
>>
>> You can load them all, and then go from one to another.
>>
>
> ​Being able to load multiple desktops onto a single system isn't the
> issue. I can do that under Mint.
>
> So I'm not interested in the theoretical "you can do this". I would like
> to find out if anyone has actually tried swapping KDE to/from GNOME and
> whether it worked or not.
>
> - Evan
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Re: [GTALUG] Tutorials on Linux command-line -- any interest?

[David Ing isss--- via talk]

William,

One cure (actually, an affordance) is to register the GTALUG on meetup.com,
for visibility.

If I look at https://www.meetup.com/topics/linux/ca/on/toronto/ , I see
"Toronto Linux Meetup" saying "over 50 interested".  There's a target
audience!

I had done this in 2009, for the systems sciences community (in preparation
for the ISSS Waterloo meeting in 2010).  The first year at meetup.com was
free, and then they started charging for being on meetup.com.  I didn't
want to continue (as an individual) to pay for the registrations, so in
subsequent years, restarted on Google Sites (at http://wiki.st-on.org/ ),
with links to register on Eventbrite (which doesn't charge for free events).

I notice that IBM does have notifications on meetup.com , with a pointer to
register elsewhere.  As an example, see
https://www.meetup.com/Toronto-IBM-Tech-Talks-Meetup/ , where the April 20
event says "In addition to RSVPing on Meetup here, please also register at
the Eventbrite link".

As a new attendee to GTALUG events, I did a little extra searching to find
the group.  Right now, searching Google on "Linux Toronto Meetup" has
GTALUG as the fifth hit on my list.

In the interest of longevity, it's great that GTALUG is on its own domain.
In the interest of publicity, there's a large group of people who think
meetup.com is the only place that advertises meetups.

P.S.  I have also sent notifications to eve...@nowtoronto.com (see
https://nowtoronto.com/contact
), which is free.  This has picked up people who don't plan more than a day
ahead.




On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:21 PM, William Park via talk 
wrote:

> There was no formal discussion with the GTALUG board.  I just got tired
> of talking about it and decided to show initiative. :-)
>
> GTALUG has long ceased to be "users group" and has degenerated to social
> get-together.  Symptoms are
> - It has stopped growing.
> - No new idea or people are coming in.
> - It's not doing anything, because the current people are already
>   expert in what they are doing, so no need to do anything.
> - It's falling behind the time.  There are people who knows Linux
>   and never heard about GTALUG.  (I see this at work)
>
> So, what's the cure?  I think that structured tutorials is the best way
> to hold on to people.  "Linux Command-Line" is not the only topics.
> There are many others, even from this mailing list alone.
> --
> William
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 06:40:47PM -0400, Gary via talk wrote:
> > I will attend but I think it would be great if gtalug could get some
> > visibility on this for the public at large. How might this be done.
> > /gary
> >
> > On 17-07-22 11:17 PM, William Park via talk wrote:
> > > Subject of "tutorial" comes up every year at Linux BBQ.  This year, at
> > > Hacklab, was no different.  OK, I'll bite first.
> > >
> > > I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting
> with
> > >  - Shell (bash)
> > >  - Vi editor (vim)
> > > It will be workshop style.  So, you can bring laptop (Windows and
> > > Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions.
> > >
> > > How many are interested?
> > > We'll work out the logistics later.
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