RE: Jaws download

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Yes Tandom is worth it.  I am curious if it is an extra cost how much it
will cost I was under the impression there is no charge for it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:37 AM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: Jaws download

Hi,

I have no experience with Jaws whatsoever so could someone please inform me
which 64 bit version should be downloaded?

There is a tandum version and another one without tandum.

I assume that the tandum version, if I was paying for it,  would be more
expensive but what about the future S M A's?

If I understand correctly, having tandum means that someone can log into my
system from a distance and carry out modifications.  My question is, is it
worth havinb tandum because I have never used the WE equivalent?

Thanks
Neville.





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Jaws download

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,

I have no experience with Jaws whatsoever so could someone please inform 
me which 64 bit version should be downloaded?


There is a tandum version and another one without tandum.

I assume that the tandum version, if I was paying for it,  would be more 
expensive but what about the future S M A's?


If I understand correctly, having tandum means that someone can log into 
my system from a distance and carry out modifications.  My question is, 
is it worth havinb tandum because I have never used the WE equivalent?


Thanks
Neville.





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Re: Learning Jaws

[Neville via Talk]

Hi James,
Haven't downloaded Jaws yet but very interested in your statement below 
regarding > Jaws key plus D, to get in to the currently focused 
application dictionary.



Does that mean that  there would be a separate dictionary for each time, 
say, that Firefox was loaded?


I find the extended dictionary in WE very useful because it loads when a 
particular Window is loaded. e.g. The browser is not important but when 
a particular site is loaded the dictionary for the voice and site is 
activated.


Does the Jaws dictionary work something like this?

Thanks
Neville.



On 17/05/2017 2:53 PM, James Bentley via Talk wrote:

I’m not  Joseph, but try this.

Jaws key plus D, to get in to the currently focused  application dictionary.

Follow this  with a control shift D, to get in to the global dictionary.   then 
hit enter and follow the menus.




Good luck,

James B




From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:23 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,
Does Jaws have a pronounciation dictionary like Window-Eyes has and how do
you get to it?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.

However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic
training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more
current, in some cases.

Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window.
Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select
that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic
Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about
various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example,
when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter
on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put
you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes
to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to
install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will
seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However,
if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.

Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Amanda Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that
there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the
packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You
can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different
topics.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The
training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen
to all of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY
player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause,
resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader
getting started guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having
to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes.
What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about
training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or
Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice
document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer
have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again
to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the
following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if
audio is available in the DAISY book):

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as

RE: jaws question

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Michael am I understanding you right you don't want jaws to be in your alt
tab order?  You want it in the system tray correct?  If so do this
1 press insert j.
2  press enter on options then  enter again on Basic.
3 tab to run jaws in system check it tab to apply  if you don't see that
then tab to ok and your settings will be saved. 

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of michael's emails via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:01 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws question

Hi guys i just been playing with jaws so far i like it.
But 1 question is after jaws loads you get the jaws window open.
And you can alt tab around but does this window stay open all the time.
i thought it would close and by pressing jaws key plus j it would open again
to access the settings.
cheers Michael.
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jaws question

[michael's emails via Talk]

Hi guys i just been playing with jaws so far i like it.
But 1 question is after jaws loads you get the jaws window open.
And you can alt tab around but does this window stay open all the time.
i thought it would close and by pressing jaws key plus j it would open again to 
access the settings.
cheers Michael.
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Re: Becky problems

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I am checking out external editors using Becky, and this is being written in 
JART.
I wonder how this will work?
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 May 2017 17:49:41 +0200
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk  wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> Check the following.
> Tools, general setup and the Editor  tab.
> You can jbest shift-tab because the option is allmost the last one.
> Search for:
> Allways focus to the editor when composing
> Turn this option off.
> 
> Regards, Marten
> 
> 
> On Thu, 11 May 2017 05:55:54 -0700 Dave via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello again,
> > 
> > I am guilty of changing some Setting in Becky, and now when I want to
> > write an Email, Window Eyes does not focus upon the Field where the
> > Email Address is typed, nor does it focus upon the Subject, CC, or BC
> > Fields, not without some effort.
> > 
> > This is not a Window Eyes problem, but a Grumpy Dave problem.  I was
> > making some changes to Becky, in hopes of getting something else to work
> > better, and in the process, I've altered the wrong thing and I am where
> > I am now.  
> > 
> > Do any of you know what I need to do in Becky to get the focus back
> > where it needs to be?  
> > 
> > Thanks for any response,
> > 
> > Grumpy Dave
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Dave 
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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Wow your unreasonable to say the least

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't
have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw
micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can
work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo
should have 24 hour tech support. t
04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. 
>That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if 
>not from their inception.
>
>However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech
capability.
>Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is 
>not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not 
>have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.
>
>Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions 
>for the problem came up with speech reading software.
>
>I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power 
>full time for many years for nothing.
>How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?
>
>~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader 
>manufacturers.
>
>
>
>
>Regards, John
>
>Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
>To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people 
>do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra 
>software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind 
>people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. 
>I've read many  of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes 
>up and  you are completely right however you have all the time in the 
>world since and I'm not trying to offend  you, but once you told me 
>that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have 
>to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are blind. 
>Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use 
>any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to
know any key strokes.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
>To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>
>Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
>realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
>experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
>(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
>probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
>others need far more than I do.
>
>No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
>to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
>commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>
>On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> > Subject: whole migrating situation
> >
> > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since 
> > vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make 
> > the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to 
> > have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
> > readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, 
> > application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain 
> > in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have 
> > had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is 
> > that Microsoft wants everyone to u

RE: FW: whole migrating situation

[richard kurlander via Talk]

AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and 
they don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they 
want to braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft 
from the getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear 
to help people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 
04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
>
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is wh

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[richard kurlander via Talk]

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
need different things.  I am a computer 
engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
various software development tools.  Screen 
readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
means having lots of features that some of us 
will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
Kiehne ; Window-Eyes 
Discussion List  
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
don't like that either if this what does happen. 
I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
that screne readers should be made as simple as 
possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
; 'Dennis Long' 
; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'  Subject: Re: 
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
does in window eyes. -Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 
2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to 
JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not 
configurable enough. All the best Steve 
-Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 
2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' 
; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'  Cc: 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
 Subject: RE: 
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one 
or two user won't make a difference.  You get 
what you pay for or don't pay for.  NVDA is 
nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original 
Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: 
Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: 
aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration 
If you really want to send a message to VFO, 
either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to 
NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 
'Doug Geoffray' ; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
 Subject: RE: 
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there 
any chance another company could buy window-eyes 
and keep it developing in to the great screen 
reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind 
screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again 
looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to 
have it back with version 3.5 and also learning 
better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good 
way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger 
Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make 
Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and 
Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 
Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 
608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: 
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www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original 
Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 
Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes 
Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS 
Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it 
always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and 
switch back and forth as you need to.  The only 
thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be 
upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, 
Doug -Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 
2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith 
; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List  Subject: Re: 
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on 
one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can 
use WE? - Original Message - From: 
"Aaron Smith vi

Re: whole migrating situation

[richard kurlander via Talk]

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person 
that tech support in these companies should give 
hands on training for free not just say read a 
manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work 
for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all 
day and certainly do not have the time to read 
manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to 
jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched 
over if I get another screen reader I would have 
to pay money. is there a list of screen reader 
companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers 
like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. 
-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer 
- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal 
Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and 
@RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced 
with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander 
Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a 
monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone 
and everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge 
and if jaws is the only screne reader that can 
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
updates and office  which they did when they 
introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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Re: Learning Jaws

[James Bentley via Talk]

I’m not  Joseph, but try this.

Jaws key plus D, to get in to the currently focused  application dictionary.

Follow this  with a control shift D, to get in to the global dictionary.   then 
hit enter and follow the menus.




Good luck,

James B




From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:23 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,
Does Jaws have a pronounciation dictionary like Window-Eyes has and how do 
you get to it?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
> current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
> that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
> Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
> various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
> when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
> on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
> you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
> to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
> install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
> seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
> if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
> packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
> can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
> topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
> to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
> to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
> Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
> document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
> have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
> to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
> following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if 
> audio is available in the DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications 
> to access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key 
> will not open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the 
> background, this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you 
> need to print a document while FSReader is running, use the application's 
> regular menu commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to 
> open the file menu of that program and th

Re: Learning Jaws

[net bat via Talk]

its in the utility pull down menu

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:23 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,
Does Jaws have a pronounciation dictionary like Window-Eyes has and how do
you get to it?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.

However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic training. 
This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more current, in 
some cases.


Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select that 
option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic Training. 
This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about various features 
of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, when you tab to the 
link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter on it, FS reader will 
download the book if it is not present, then, put you into the book.  (if the 
book has to download, you will need to say Yes to the “User Account Control” 
dialog, as the program needs permission to install the training materials in 
the proper location.)  At first, it will seem like a Web page, which you can 
navigate in the usual way.  However, if you press Control-P, it will begin 
speaking.


Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Amanda Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com

Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to 
all of it).


You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:


Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to 
be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What 
this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and 
open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet 
Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice document and 
still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press 
ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again to your practice 
files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes 
to control the FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the 
DAISY book):


Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, 
this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print 
a document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu 
commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file 
menu of that program and then press P to open the print dialog box.


Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work 

Re: Learning Jaws

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi Joseph,
Does Jaws have a pronounciation dictionary like Window-Eyes has and how do 
you get to it?


Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.

However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
current, in some cases.


Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.


Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Amanda Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
topics.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com

Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
to all of it).


You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
player.


You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
getting started guide:


Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if 
audio is available in the DAISY book):


Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications 
to access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key 
will not open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the 
background, this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you 
need to print a document while FSReader is running, use the application's 
regular menu commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to 
open the file menu of that program and then press P to open the print 
dialog box.


Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the 
NLS player, but, everything else is there.


Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learni

Re: WE and firefox 64 bit

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Just run the 32 bit version. You gain little if anything with most 64 
bit versions of programs. Some actually run slower. It's not the simple 
double the number equals double the performance one might think. Half of 
the windows programs on a 64 bit system are 32 bit.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/16/2017 8:12 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

I installed firefox 64 bit on my Win 10 64 bit machine and find that
when using it WE has no browse mode.  Does this mean that WE is already
becoming obsolete in keeping up with change?
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The JAWS Experience

[Dave via Talk]

Grumpy Dave here, the Reluctant New Jaws user.  

I downloaded the MP3 files telling a little bit about the way to Migrate,
and then to start using Jaws.  

These audio files are short and to the point.  They don't go into great
detail, but give enough to get Jaws installed and to at least have
enough Key commands to stumble around with Jaws in some of your programs.  

Jaws is different, but I've managed to learn and even remember some of
the alternative Key commands.  Enough to read the screens, and do some
basic editing in the Word Processor.  

I've installed Jaws on three systems and did not have any issues.  

Plan to get these copies Authorized and we will go from there.  

I can see where Jaws has some strange, at least to my point of view,
methods for doing some things, but nothing too far out there.  

If a person can get Jaws downloaded and installed,  you've gotten through
half of the hard stuff, and it isn't that hard.

I've always had the impression that a majority of Window Eyes users only
barely scratched the surface of learning Window Eyes and how to make
useful adjustments.  

I figure Jaws will be about the same for those same people.  

Once they learn enough commands to read and write Email, Navigate the
web a little bit, and to maybe use MS Word, Life will be good again for
most.  

>From what I've seen of the trickier bits of Jaws, it does seem very
different.   No big Surprise, it is a different Screen Reader.  It isn't
Window Eyes, so I really need to stop trying to make it work like Window
Eyes.  

We all need to eat the New Elephant one small bite at a time.  

Give yourself a couple three weeks and see where you are then.  


Grumpy Dave the Reluctant Jaws user



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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I do need to apologize.  You don’t actually have to download the DAISY books if 
you don’t want to.  They are designed to install into the default JAWS folder, 
and they don’t give you a lot of indications as to where they’re going.  I 
think these are the files JAWS downloads if you use FS reader to install the 
downloadable training materials.   Instead, you might want a set of mp3 files.  
Here’s how to get those:

On the JAWS training downloads page, if you navigate by headings, you will 
first hit a heading for DAISY books for JAWS.  The next heading is for the mp3 
versions.  They are in plain .zip files.  And, 2 files you might want to listen 
to from that section are the getting started files.  They are not in the DAISY 
section.  They cover the installation of JAWS and a few other things.  They are 
intended for those who install from the DVD, but, the install from DVD is not 
too different from the downloadable install.  Here are direct links to those 
files:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/archives/JAWS-MP3/GettingStartedWithJAWS-Side1-MP3.zip

http://www.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/archives/JAWS-MP3/GettingStartedWithJAWS-Side2-MP3.zip

Sorry I didn’t include those earlier.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:34 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Can you manually delete them when your done with them?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:26 PM
To: Bryan Peterson; Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Oh, one more thing.  These are full DAISY text and audio.  The mp3’s are in 
each subfolder under C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but it 
was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have audio, and 
I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of training tapes that 
came with them.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could not 
access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first one, getting 
started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be 
> more current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  
> Select that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for 
> the Basic Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that 
> talks about various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  
> For example, when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in 
> JAWS,” and press Enter on it, FS reader will download the book if it 
> is not present, then, put you into the book.  (if the book has to 
> download, you will need to say Yes to the “User Account Control” 
> dialog, as the program needs permission to install the training 
> materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will seem like a Web 
> page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, if you press 
> Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with 
> the packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training 
> materials.  You can download the FS Reader training materials though 
> which cover different topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail.com@lists.window-eyes.c
> om]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.The

RE: Learning Jaws

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Can you manually delete them when your done with them?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:26 PM
To: Bryan Peterson; Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Oh, one more thing.  These are full DAISY text and audio.  The mp3’s are in 
each subfolder under C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but it 
was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have audio, and 
I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of training tapes that 
came with them.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could not 
access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first one, getting 
started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be 
> more current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  
> Select that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for 
> the Basic Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that 
> talks about various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  
> For example, when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in 
> JAWS,” and press Enter on it, FS reader will download the book if it 
> is not present, then, put you into the book.  (if the book has to 
> download, you will need to say Yes to the “User Account Control” 
> dialog, as the program needs permission to install the training 
> materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will seem like a Web 
> page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, if you press 
> Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with 
> the packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training 
> materials.  You can download the FS Reader training materials though 
> which cover different topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail.com@lists.window-eyes.c
> om]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to 
> listen to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials With 
> FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually 
> having to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training 
> purposes.
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word 
> or Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the 
> practice document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! 
> You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader 
> program and back again to your practice files. Just stay within the 
> practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
> FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Oh, one more thing.  These are full DAISY text and audio.  The mp3’s are in 
each subfolder under C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but 
it was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have 
audio, and I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of 
training tapes that came with them.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
> current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
> that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
> Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
> various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
> when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
> on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
> you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
> to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
> install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
> seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
> if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
> packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
> can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
> topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
> to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
> to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
> Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
> document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
> have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
> to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
> following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if 
> audio is available in the DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications 
> to access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key 
> will not open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the 
> background, this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you 
> need to print a document while FSReader is running, use the application's 
> regu

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Here’s something I I just learned about these downloads on the training page.

They are executable files that automatically install into your JAWS program 
directory.  They do ask for administrator priveleges, then, they install and 
exit.  So, if you do download them, just remember they go into C:\Program 
Files\Freedom Scientific\Training by default.  Under that training directory, 
you can copy each folder onto a DAISY player and they will show up as books.  
If you have JAWS installed, FS reader will see them in the table of contents.  


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but 
it was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have 
audio, and I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of 
training tapes that came with them.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
> current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
> that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
> Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
> various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
> when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
> on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
> you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
> to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
> install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
> seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
> if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
> packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
> can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
> topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
> to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
> to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
> Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
> document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
> have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
> to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
> following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if 
> audio is available in the DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5

Re: Learning Jaws

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but 
it was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have 
audio, and I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of 
training tapes that came with them.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.

However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
current, in some cases.


Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.


Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Amanda Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
topics.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com

Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
to all of it).


You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
player.


You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
getting started guide:


Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if 
audio is available in the DAISY book):


Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications 
to access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key 
will not open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the 
background, this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you 
need to print a document while FSReader is running, use the application's 
regular menu commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to 
open the file menu of that program and then press P to open the print 
dialog box.


Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the 
NLS playe

Re: Learning Jaws

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could 
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first 
one, getting started.


Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.

However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic training. 
This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more current, in some 
cases.

Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window.  
Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select that 
option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic Training.  
This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about various features of 
JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, when you tab to the link 
that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter on it, FS reader will 
download the book if it is not present, then, put you into the book.  (if the 
book has to download, you will need to say Yes to the “User Account Control” 
dialog, as the program needs permission to install the training materials in 
the proper location.)  At first, it will seem like a Web page, which you can 
navigate in the usual way.  However, if you press Control-P, it will begin 
speaking.

Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Amanda Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book):

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking b

Jaws and Thunderbird threaded messages

[Brenda via Talk]

Hello List,


I'm trying to transition to Jaws starting with emailing which I am 
getting a lot of experience on lately.



I find with Jaws I have to view messages as threaded which I don't 
like.  Is there a way to read messages as unthreaded.  Jaws doesn't seem 
to read the titles unless threaded.  Hoping there is a setting to be 
changed.



I like the way Window-eyes works with Thunderbird much better, hoping 
this issue in jaws will be fixed.


Thanks,

Brenda


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RE: WE and firefox 64 bit

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Yes you should take the jaws offer as soon as possible.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE and firefox 64 bit

I installed firefox 64 bit on my Win 10 64 bit machine and find that when
using it WE has no browse mode.  Does this mean that WE is already becoming
obsolete in keeping up with change?
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WE and firefox 64 bit

[Don H via Talk]

I installed firefox 64 bit on my Win 10 64 bit machine and find that 
when using it WE has no browse mode.  Does this mean that WE is already 
becoming obsolete in keeping up with change?

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Alexander Yray via Talk]

Doug,

What are the procedures in downloading Jaws and how do we acquire the new
code, whatever that is?

Aloha,

Alex

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+alex.liberty=hawaii.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark  


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email:  lo...@mweb.co.za 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

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Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
> 
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
> 
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
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> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
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RE: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

They should offer it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:18 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

As I understand it, this was suggested and pushed for, but the powers that
be  at vfo said no.
73
Butch
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On Tue, 16 May 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

> Being there is thousands of WE users to convert over to JAWS, it would be
good if there could develope a Window Eyes keyboard layout, like Window Eyes
had a JAWS keyboard layout.
>  - Original Message -
>  From: brice Mijares via Talk
>  To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Ted Larson ;
t...@window-eyes.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:17 PM
>  Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?
>
>
>  Anyone that refuses this offer to switch over to Jaws essentially for
>  free is flippen nuts. Grow up youngsters!
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Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Natalie via Talk]

But what happened to such an easy-to communicate probram?  We should 
have paid more than the institutions who got it all.  We lost.




Natalie


On 5/16/2017 7:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
As I understand it, this was suggested and pushed for, but the powers 
that be  at vfo said no.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 16 May 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

Being there is thousands of WE users to convert over to JAWS, it 
would be good if there could develope a Window Eyes keyboard layout, 
like Window Eyes had a JAWS keyboard layout.

 - Original Message -
 From: brice Mijares via Talk
 To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Ted Larson ; 
t...@window-eyes.com

 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?


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RE: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Paulette Vickery via Talk]

Just the same, since you don't have to stop using WE, I would get Jaws while
it is free and before they change their minds. You don't have to use it
right now, just get it while it is free!

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:18 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

As I understand it, this was suggested and pushed for, but the powers 
that be  at vfo said no.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 16 May 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

> Being there is thousands of WE users to convert over to JAWS, it would be
good if there could develope a Window Eyes keyboard layout, like Window Eyes
had a JAWS keyboard layout.
>  - Original Message -
>  From: brice Mijares via Talk
>  To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Ted Larson ;
t...@window-eyes.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:17 PM
>  Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?
>
>
>  Anyone that refuses this offer to switch over to Jaws essentially for
>  free is flippen nuts. Grow up youngsters!
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RE: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I've never understood why a JFW keyboard layout was included with Window-eyes.  
Back then: the choice was made to use Window-eyes, and if JFW users switched, 
they could learn the new screen reader.  And - I think there were some 
conflicts so that it wasn't the perfect simulation anyway.

Whilst I cannot do it: I am sure that someone will get to work on setting up 
the likely scripts for this.  Gang: VFO have to restore some good will over 
this, so keep asking if you want it.

Vaughan.



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Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 11:18 a.m.
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

As I understand it, this was suggested and pushed for, but the powers that be  
at vfo said no.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 16 May 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

> Being there is thousands of WE users to convert over to JAWS, it would be 
> good if there could develope a Window Eyes keyboard layout, like Window Eyes 
> had a JAWS keyboard layout.
>  - Original Message -
>  From: brice Mijares via Talk
>  To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Ted Larson ; 
> t...@window-eyes.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:17 PM
>  Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?
>
>
>  Anyone that refuses this offer to switch over to Jaws essentially for
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Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

As I understand it, this was suggested and pushed for, but the powers 
that be  at vfo said no.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 16 May 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:


Being there is thousands of WE users to convert over to JAWS, it would be good 
if there could develope a Window Eyes keyboard layout, like Window Eyes had a 
JAWS keyboard layout.
 - Original Message -
 From: brice Mijares via Talk
 To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Ted Larson ; 
t...@window-eyes.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?


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RE: a question about window-eyes for office

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Yes it will work 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Mike Bernard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi,  Will office 2013 work with Jaws?

Norene



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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Mike Bernard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi:

The free Office version is perfectly safe.  Sometime, I think mid-year, it
will also be phased out, but, it may continue to work even after the
download is taken down.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
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actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
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Mike



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RE: a question about window-eyes for office

[Dennis Long via Talk]

It should work just fine

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On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:28 PM
To: Norene Trappa; Mike Bernard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: a question about window-eyes for office

It should work fine.  


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Norene Trappa
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Mike Bernard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi,  Will office 2013 work with Jaws?

Norene



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From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Mike Bernard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi:

The free Office version is perfectly safe.  Sometime, I think mid-year, it
will also be phased out, but, it may continue to work even after the
download is taken down.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
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Mike



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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

There are some programs under Utilities, though I wouldn’t call them bloatware. 
 What 9 programs are you referring to?



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi,


I just installed Jaws 18, and I ended up with 9 programs! Bloatware to 
be  sure!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/16/2017 5:17 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> FS stands for Freedom Scientific.
>
> The parent company that sells JAWS is VFO Group.  They haven’t changed the 
> name of the DAISY reader since they were Freedom Scientific.  This is not the 
> first time a program name indicated its origin.  Another example is the word 
> processor that comes with JAWS.  It’s called HJPad.  HJ stood for 
> Henter-Joyce.  When Freedom Scientific became the company selling JAWS, they 
> kept the name HJPad.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: 'Amanda Lee'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
> sells JAWS?
>
> Paulette
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
> no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
> version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
> the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to 
> all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
> rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
> guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to 
> be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What 
> this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and 
> open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet 
> Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice document and 
> still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press 
> ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again to your practice 
> files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes 
> to control the FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the 
> DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
> access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
> open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, 
> this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print 
> a document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu 
> commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file 
> menu of that program and then press P to open the print dialog box.
>
> Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
> work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
> located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
> only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS 
> player, but, everything else is there.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Ted Larson via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Learning Jaws
>
> When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
> between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
> play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
> talking book cartridge or flas

Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Loy via Talk]

Being there is thousands of WE users to convert over to JAWS, it would be good 
if there could develope a Window Eyes keyboard layout, like Window Eyes had a 
JAWS keyboard layout.
  - Original Message - 
  From: brice Mijares via Talk 
  To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Ted Larson ; 
t...@window-eyes.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?


  Anyone that refuses this offer to switch over to Jaws essentially for 
  free is flippen nuts. Grow up youngsters!
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I'd be interested in this history.  Do you have a link?  Got my first 
Apple 2 e in 1983 from computer aids, ran screen-talk and then 
vocal-eyes and then window-eyes.  I think I've been doing this stufs 
much to long.  Now I begin learning n v d a.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 16 May 2017, Sky 
Mundell via Talk wrote:



Oh btw guys,  Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now
NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of
Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it
fascinating. I have it on my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.



Alison



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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

You might have to pay for it.  I can send you the keystrokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Natalie via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:01 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Do you know if there is any braille backup for how to deal with JAWS?  
WindowEyes was really good with that.  I'd hate to have to braille all 
of the changes although guess I can.


Natalie


On 5/16/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Karen,
>
> Currently we don't have any plans on removing the Window-Eyes offer for
users of Microsoft Office.  But if you want to be safe, you can certainly
just download the 9.5.4 version there now and tuck it away for a rainy day.
It can be used on as many machines as you need.
>
> So yes, just put it on a thumb drive and keep it in a safe place and use
it on as many machines as you need.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going
away, can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later
date?  I don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration
process in order for it to work.
>
> If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that?
>
> Karen Poulakos
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Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Anyone that refuses this offer to switch over to Jaws essentially for 
free is flippen nuts. Grow up youngsters!

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Re: whole migrating situation

[Natalie via Talk]

I'm curious.  When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this would 
appen


?  Just curious.  I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a 
company or a shell?


Natalie Johnson
On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Get your facts straight!
Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared 
who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their 
CEO who is now a VP at VFO.
Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the 
sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio.



On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.


Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in
the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just
to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire
from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an
enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind
accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away
from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine
how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
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Re: migrating situation

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Your completely uninformed posts are really making a fool of yourself. 
Window-Eyes was JAWS number one competitor and now they own it. They're 
doing exactly what any business with three or more working brain cells 
in its employ would do: eliminate it. This is how things work in the 
real world.


On 5/16/2017 5:44 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes' case, since the product is more than currently viable,
it can obviously still be used. But when it requires updates, release of
the code would make that possible at no loss or inconvenience to
Gwmicro's founders.


Orlando Enrique Fiol

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Andre via Talk]

Hi Sky,

WWhere do you get Dave's historical account from?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:20 AM
To: 'CJ &AA MAY'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Oh btw guys,  Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now
NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of
Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it
fascinating. I have it on my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.

 

Alison

 

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Re: Learning Jaws

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I just installed Jaws 18, and I ended up with 9 programs! Bloatware to 
be  sure!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/16/2017 5:17 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

FS stands for Freedom Scientific.

The parent company that sells JAWS is VFO Group.  They haven’t changed the name 
of the DAISY reader since they were Freedom Scientific.  This is not the first 
time a program name indicated its origin.  Another example is the word 
processor that comes with JAWS.  It’s called HJPad.  HJ stood for Henter-Joyce. 
 When Freedom Scientific became the company selling JAWS, they kept the name 
HJPad.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:47 PM
To: 'Amanda Lee'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
sells JAWS?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book):

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

  


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Re: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Natalie via Talk]

Do you know if there is any braille backup for how to deal with JAWS?  
WindowEyes was really good with that.  I'd hate to have to braille all 
of the changes although guess I can.



Natalie


On 5/16/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Karen,

Currently we don't have any plans on removing the Window-Eyes offer for users 
of Microsoft Office.  But if you want to be safe, you can certainly just 
download the 9.5.4 version there now and tuck it away for a rainy day.  It can 
be used on as many machines as you need.

So yes, just put it on a thumb drive and keep it in a safe place and use it on 
as many machines as you need.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
for it to work.

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that?

Karen Poulakos

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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I’m not sure what’s going on there.  If you press Enter on the link, it should 
say “downloading book”.  Then, it will install the book.  It may ask for 
administrator permission since it puts the book in the JAWS install directory 
under Training.

You can download training materials using your Web browser.  Go to 
http://www2.freedomscientific.com/downloads/training/training-downloads.asp

Hope this helps.

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From: Carol and Roger
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:06 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

I tried to download the tutorials mentioned in the FS reader, but can 
not.  I even tried to copy the link addresses and download them manually 
and received a "not valid web page" error.  Since we do not have access 
to a DVD either, how are we supposed to get said information?

Carol


On 5/16/2017 3:50 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to 
> all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
> rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
> guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to 
> be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What 
> this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and 
> open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet 
> Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice document and 
> still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press 
> ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again to your practice 
> files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes 
> to control the FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the 
> DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
> access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
> open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, 
> this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print 
> a document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu 
> commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file 
> menu of that program and then press P to open the print dialog box.
>
> Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
> work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
> located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
> only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS 
> player, but, everything else is there.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Ted Larson via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Learning Jaws
>
> When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
> between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
> play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
> talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
> machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
> it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
>
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Get your facts straight!
Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared 
who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their 
CEO who is now a VP at VFO.
Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the 
sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio.



On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.


Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in
the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just
to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire
from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an
enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind
accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away
from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine
how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
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University of Pennsylvania
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Pedagogue
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Re: migrating situation

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

At 05:11 PM 5/16/2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
>There is nothing free, someone has to pay for it. You can't expect 
a company like GWMicro to provide WE to blind people. free. However a 
company like Microsoft could develope a screen reader where all blind 
people could have access, the cost could be spread acros millions of 
Windows user and cost would minial.


Window-eyes' code is obviously already written. It is working 
impeccably on both my Windows 10 systems and I plan to rely on it for 
as long as possible. Its scripting capabilities are much more robust 
than any other screen reader; plus, sighted programmers used to 
VBScript, JSCript, Python, Pearl, C++ and a host of other COM 
automation languages could write Window-eyes scripts. But with the 
code locked up, Window-eyes will not be able to keep up with hardware 
and software hangers in Windows .
International copyright law is useful here. Works are copyrighted in 
order to be distributed freely or sold for profit; the copyright 
makes sure that royalties go to the copyright holder. But when 
copyrights lapse and works are put in the public domain, they can be 
freely distributed and altered.
In Window-eyes' case, since the product is more than currently 
viable, it can obviously still be used. But when it requires updates, 
release of the code would make that possible at no loss or 
inconvenience to Gwmicro's founders.



Orlando Enrique Fiol

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RE: a question about window-eyes for office

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

It should work fine.  


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From: Norene Trappa
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Mike Bernard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi,  Will office 2013 work with Jaws?

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Mike Bernard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi:

The free Office version is perfectly safe.  Sometime, I think mid-year, it 
will also be phased out, but, it may continue to work even after the 
download is taken down.

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From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
that window-eyes has been discontinued, but at least its free and for those
of us who wish to can still at least have a working copy of Window-eyes that
actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
else.

Mike



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Re: whole migrating situation

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

well, even though it started in window s 2000 we still did talk to bill 
gates to get him to start putting speech into windows.




On 5/16/2017 4:06 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote:

In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in 
windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and 
narrator is not as simple as it once was.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk 
 wrote:

narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to 
microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about 
putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put 
speech into windows.



On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
li

RE: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

At first, it may not seem a good analogy, but, the various long-distance 
companies offered features and other value added services that differed, one 
from another.  There were also software companies who’s programs were thrown 
out by acquisitions.  Take PowerQuest.  They offered Partition Magic, but, when 
Symantec bought them out, they decided to drop that program



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone 
carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or 
MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new 
conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug 
simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could 
have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an 
interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now 
belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered 
GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
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Re: a question about window-eyes for office

[Joseph Hudson via Talk]

Not with the latest version. You will need Office 2016 in order to get it to 
work.
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> On May 16, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Norene Trappa via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,  Will office 2013 work with Jaws?
> 
> Norene
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:08 PM
> To: Mike Bernard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: a question about window-eyes for office
> 
> Hi:
> 
> The free Office version is perfectly safe.  Sometime, I think mid-year, it 
> will also be phased out, but, it may continue to work even after the download 
> is taken down.
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Mike Bernard via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: a question about window-eyes for office
> 
> Hi again everyone.
> 
> For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
> version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
> that window-eyes has been discontinued, but at least its free and for those
> of us who wish to can still at least have a working copy of Window-eyes that
> actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
> else.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

FS stands for Freedom Scientific.

The parent company that sells JAWS is VFO Group.  They haven’t changed the name 
of the DAISY reader since they were Freedom Scientific.  This is not the first 
time a program name indicated its origin.  Another example is the word 
processor that comes with JAWS.  It’s called HJPad.  HJ stood for Henter-Joyce. 
 When Freedom Scientific became the company selling JAWS, they kept the name 
HJPad.


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From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:47 PM
To: 'Amanda Lee'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
sells JAWS?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

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[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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Re: a question about window-eyes for office

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

Hi,  Will office 2013 work with Jaws?

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Mike Bernard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi:

The free Office version is perfectly safe.  Sometime, I think mid-year, it 
will also be phased out, but, it may continue to work even after the 
download is taken down.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
that window-eyes has been discontinued, but at least its free and for those
of us who wish to can still at least have a working copy of Window-eyes that
actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
else.

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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

[Loy via Talk]

There is nothing free, someone has to pay for it. You can't expect a company 
like GWMicro to provide WE to blind people. free. However a company like 
Microsoft could develope a screen reader where all blind people could have 
access, the cost could be spread acros millions of Windows user and cost 
would minial.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk" 
To: "Dennis Long" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation


It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do 
not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra 
software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind 
people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. 
I've read many  of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up 
and  you are completely right however you have all the time in the world 
since and I'm not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you 
don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a 
million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people 
all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes 
it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key 
strokes.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need 
far

more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

 c

  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All

screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
well

as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all 
screne

readers.

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RE: Migration of Features?

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

At 04:05 PM 5/16/2017, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:
>I totally agree here.  All of this is so bittersweet.  I was here at work
>and it was difficult not to cry.  I have worked with various of the staff at
>GW Micro closely over the years on beta testing and qualified an agency for
>the blind as a dealer awhile back.  I will so miss Window-Eyes and how
>responsive it is and how attentive Doug and others are to our suggestions.
>I have stronger thoughts too which I will withhold as I don't want to flame
>here.  Still, this is so difficult to accept.  If this were a large
>corporate organization, there would be other possibilities as a means to
>protest and that's the strongest statement I'll make.  I just wish I could
>wake up tomorrow morning and realize this wasn't so.

I'm unsure of the legalities involved in reclaiming or transferring 
rights to Window-eyes' code, now that it is VFO's property. I'm sure 
it would be quite costly, if at all legally possible. However, I can 
only suppose that other accessibility companies or burgeoning 
entrepreneurs may be able to do this.
No one from Gwmicro has addressed their reasons for the buyout, 
except for vague statements about overall benefits to the 
accessibility community. While I understand wanting to retire or even 
needing to be bought out in order to avoid bankruptcy, I don't 
understand the logic of locking up perfectly good code for no one to 
use. It would be like a manufacturer burning rather than selling its inventory.


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RE: Learning Jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Intresting Vaughn because when I got my copy of Window-Eyes 7.2, they sent me a 
downloadable link and the CD for it. I really am greatful for what GWMicro has 
done for blind people and they should be commended for their efforts.  As far 
as JAWS, when I got JAWS 14 in 2013, I got both a authorisation code and a CD 
but when I upgraded to JAWS 17 for my tech job in 2015, I just got the code 
sent to me electronicly by our local dealer, Canadialog.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Amanda Lee; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

You are correct: no physical media.  I didn't ask for it though, so maybe if I  
had ... 

But for me: installing software off  disks is obsolete.It can take six 
weeks for stuff to come here from the States, and I remember being very annoyed 
with the old GW, Ai  over this very point.

But: as we are all having to learn - individual preferences should apply.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 7:58 a.m.
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials With FSReader you 
have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip backwards through narrated 
audio DAISY materials without actually having to be in the FSReader user 
interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this means is that you can 
be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a practice document, for 
example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any other application. You 
can stay in the practice document and still control FSReader audio with this 
feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader 
program and back again to your practice files. Just stay within the practice 
file, and use the following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the 
background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth 
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book machine?  
If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download it?  Thanks. 
 Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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Re: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in 
windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and 
narrator is not as simple as it once was.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to 
> microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about 
> putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put 
> speech into windows.
> 
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>> Richard,
>> 
>> Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
>> has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
>> their inception.
>> 
>> However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
>> Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
>> designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
>> enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.
>> 
>> Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
>> the problem came up with speech reading software.
>> 
>> I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
>> time for many years for nothing.
>> How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?
>> 
>> ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
>> manufacturers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards, John
>> 
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
>> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
>> need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
>> even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
>> given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
>> your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
>> completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
>> not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
>> am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
>> use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
>> drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
>> strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> 
>> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
>> more than I do.
>> 
>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
>> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>> 
>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>> 
>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
>>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
>>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
>>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
>>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
>>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
>>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
>>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
>>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
>>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Mic

RE: Learning Jaws

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

You are correct: no physical media.  I didn't ask for it though, so maybe if I  
had ... 

But for me: installing software off  disks is obsolete.It can take six 
weeks for stuff to come here from the States, and I remember being very annoyed 
with the old GW, Ai  over this very point.

But: as we are all having to learn - individual preferences should apply.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 7:58 a.m.
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials With FSReader you 
have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip backwards through narrated 
audio DAISY materials without actually having to be in the FSReader user 
interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this means is that you can 
be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a practice document, for 
example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any other application. You 
can stay in the practice document and still control FSReader audio with this 
feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader 
program and back again to your practice files. Just stay within the practice 
file, and use the following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the 
background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth 
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book machine?  
If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download it?  Thanks. 
 Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking 
to microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates 
about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea 
and put speech into windows.



On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

   c

   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All

screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the 

RE: whole migrating situation

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

>So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
>The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
>The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone 
carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or 
MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new 
conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug 
simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could 
have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an 
interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now 
belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered 
GWMicro to take its code off the market.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
and Pedagogue

Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
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Re: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Hudson via Talk]

FS stands for freedom scientific, and they were bought out by this new group 
called VF oh group
Joseph Hudson 

Email
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> On May 16, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
> sells JAWS?
> 
> Paulette
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
> 
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
> no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
> version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
> the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
> 
> Hi Ted:
> 
> There’s good news on this one.
> 
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to 
> all of it).
> 
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.
> 
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
> rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
> guide:
> 
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to 
> be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What 
> this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and 
> open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet 
> Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice document and 
> still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press 
> ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again to your practice 
> files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes 
> to control the FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the 
> DAISY book): 
> 
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
> access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
> open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, 
> this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print 
> a document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu 
> commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file 
> menu of that program and then press P to open the print dialog box.
> 
> Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
> work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
> located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
> only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS 
> player, but, everything else is there.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Ted Larson via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Learning Jaws
> 
> When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
> between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
> play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
> talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
> machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
> it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

If Microsoft really wanted to push product and promote customer goodwill 
(not that they need to do that), they'd follow Apple's lead and make 
Windows more accessible out of the box.  I'm not happy about the 
Window-Eyes debacle, nor the monoply that VFO appears to be creating.  
Perhaps we as a group should be louder in what we want to remain 
productive.  For me, an easy-to-use and unobtrusive screenreader is a 
big priority.  That's just for starters.  Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao.





On 5/16/2017 4:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

   c

   an be sent out? I am not a computer ge

RE: Learning Jaws

[Paulette Vickery via Talk]

What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
sells JAWS?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.

However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic training. 
This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more current, in some 
cases.

Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window.  
Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select that 
option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic Training.  
This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about various features of 
JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, when you tab to the link 
that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter on it, FS reader will 
download the book if it is not present, then, put you into the book.  (if the 
book has to download, you will need to say Yes to the “User Account Control” 
dialog, as the program needs permission to install the training materials in 
the proper location.)  At first, it will seem like a Web page, which you can 
navigate in the usual way.  However, if you press Control-P, it will begin 
speaking.

Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Amanda Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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Re: whole migrating situation

[Alison May via Talk]

And there is always the Apple Mac option with its free screen reader! 

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

> On 16 May 2017, at 8:14 pm, Joseph Norton via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> While the main competitor of JFW may be gone, others are emerging.  
> 
> You’ve still got choice.  It may not be the choice you would like to make, 
> but, the playing field is changing.
> 
> Neither NVDA, or System Access was around when Window-Eyes and JFW came out.  
> Back then, you had Slimware Window Bridge and ASAW from MicroTalk (although 
> that one didn’t last as long).  Too, wasn’t there Artic Win Vision, though 
> that may have only been for Windows 3.1.  Anyway, Window-Eyes and JFW were 
> the major players from that era that stayed around the longest.
> 
> Now, there’s still NVDA, System Access, and SuperNova.  SuperNova needs to 
> play catch-up, a little, but, it is an option.  They seem willing to 
> accommodate users who want to migrate to their products, as they do provide 
> alternate keyboard layouts.  Narrator is maturing, and may be a force  to be 
> reckoned with.
> 
> So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
> 
> The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
> 
> The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:03 PM
> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: whole migrating situation
> 
> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
>> more than I do.
>> 
>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
>> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>> 
>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>> 
>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
>>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
>>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
>>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
>>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
>>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
>>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
>>> the cheat sheets that
>> c
>>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
>> readers.
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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

[John Farley via Talk]

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software. 

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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Re: Learning Jaws

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I tried to download the tutorials mentioned in the FS reader, but can 
not.  I even tried to copy the link addresses and download them manually 
and received a "not valid web page" error.  Since we do not have access 
to a DVD either, how are we supposed to get said information?


Carol


On 5/16/2017 3:50 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book):

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

  


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RE: Migration of Features?

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

I totally agree here.  All of this is so bittersweet.  I was here at work
and it was difficult not to cry.  I have worked with various of the staff at
GW Micro closely over the years on beta testing and qualified an agency for
the blind as a dealer awhile back.  I will so miss Window-Eyes and how
responsive it is and how attentive Doug and others are to our suggestions.
I have stronger thoughts too which I will withhold as I don't want to flame
here.  Still, this is so difficult to accept.  If this were a large
corporate organization, there would be other possibilities as a means to
protest and that's the strongest statement I'll make.  I just wish I could
wake up tomorrow morning and realize this wasn't so.

Amanda Lee



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:43 PM
To: 'Dave' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Migration of Features?

Hi Dave,

Well said! I don't want to make the change back to Jaws, especially since
they were the opposission, but since it's free, I will try it. But like you,
I can be as grumpy as I like about the switch! I guess I will be on that
Jaws list, too.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Migration of Features?

For what it's worth, the offer to Upgrade to JAWS for Free is a very
good offer.  The Brass at JAWS did not need to do this.  

Sure moving over to Jaws requires a bit of effort on our part.  We do
need to learn a new keyboard layout, and some of those keys might not be
as easy as the Window Eyes layout, but at this Time you have three
choices.  Stay with Window Eyes, go with Jaws and put out a little
effort to learn a few new Key Commands, or move over to NVDA where you
will also need to learn a few new Commands.  

Hey, I get it, I too am reluctantly moving over to JAWS, after all they
were the oppisition, and if I end up not liking it, I can then move to
NVDA, which I intend
to continue to use so I can come up to speed with its method of reading
the screen.  

I figure Jaws will give me a few pleasant surprises, that I actually will
like, and of course there will be those places where something doesn't
make sense, and might even seem stupid.For me the New way Window
Eyes 9.X  Copied text from a Web Page would fall into that category.  I
didn't like it much, but I learned to use it and it worked for the most
part.  

So, figure out what Key Commands you use all the time in Window Eyes,
and then find out what the corresponding Key Commands would be in Jaws.   
What are we talking about here 10 to 15 commands?   Perhaps even less.   
And I am not talking about the entire range of Key commands found in
Window Eyes, but just the ones you use every day.There will be a
difference, probably a big difference.  

Others on this list and on the Jaws list will be willing to provide all
of us Jaws Virgins to make the change over in Style.  


At this point, I'll give the Free Upgrade to Jaws a try, and do what it
takes to learn a few new key commands to at least be able to navigate
around a bit in all the programs I currently use.  

See you on the Jaws list,

Grumpy Dave




-- 
Dave 

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Re: Migration of Features?

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Quite a few of us will be grumpy!  I just signed up for the migration, 
and should be getting my authorization code soon.--Matthew Chao





On 5/16/2017 3:42 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:

Hi Dave,

Well said! I don't want to make the change back to Jaws, especially since
they were the opposission, but since it's free, I will try it. But like you,
I can be as grumpy as I like about the switch! I guess I will be on that
Jaws list, too.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Migration of Features?

For what it's worth, the offer to Upgrade to JAWS for Free is a very
good offer.  The Brass at JAWS did not need to do this.

Sure moving over to Jaws requires a bit of effort on our part.  We do
need to learn a new keyboard layout, and some of those keys might not be
as easy as the Window Eyes layout, but at this Time you have three
choices.  Stay with Window Eyes, go with Jaws and put out a little
effort to learn a few new Key Commands, or move over to NVDA where you
will also need to learn a few new Commands.

Hey, I get it, I too am reluctantly moving over to JAWS, after all they
were the oppisition, and if I end up not liking it, I can then move to
NVDA, which I intend
to continue to use so I can come up to speed with its method of reading
the screen.

I figure Jaws will give me a few pleasant surprises, that I actually will
like, and of course there will be those places where something doesn't
make sense, and might even seem stupid.For me the New way Window
Eyes 9.X  Copied text from a Web Page would fall into that category.  I
didn't like it much, but I learned to use it and it worked for the most
part.

So, figure out what Key Commands you use all the time in Window Eyes,
and then find out what the corresponding Key Commands would be in Jaws.
What are we talking about here 10 to 15 commands?   Perhaps even less.
And I am not talking about the entire range of Key commands found in
Window Eyes, but just the ones you use every day.There will be a
difference, probably a big difference.

Others on this list and on the Jaws list will be willing to provide all
of us Jaws Virgins to make the change over in Style.


At this point, I'll give the Free Upgrade to Jaws a try, and do what it
takes to learn a few new key commands to at least be able to navigate
around a bit in all the programs I currently use.

See you on the Jaws list,

Grumpy Dave






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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Juan Hernandez via Talk]

Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder.

We all need different things.  I am a computer engineer, so I need access to 
some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various 
software development tools.  Screen readers are there to help all of us.  And 
that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others 
will not.

Best,
 

Juan Hernandez
juanhernande...@gmail.com
619-750-9431 (M) |  858-777-3311 (F)
My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work 
part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail 
and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you 
feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; 'Dennis Long' ; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. 
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay for 
or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or 
donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it 
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back 
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a 
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States 
and

RE: Learning Jaws

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

It's free now. So why wouldn't you at least download it and get your 
registration code. You don't have to use it or even install it. And your 
Window-Eyes SMAs are otherwise worthless anyway.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/16/2017 3:09 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:

I purchased window-eyes and I have some s m a's.  Does this mean that if I
migrate now, it is free, but, if I wait until after july 31, then I would
have to pay the full price of Jaws?  Regards:  Ted Larson



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Re: whole migrating situation

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Thanks for the rare voice of reason, Raul.
Regards,
Tom


On 5/16/2017 3:06 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:

Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome?
There is always choice.


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David Thornburg

On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone
will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader
that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft
decides  to  change windows to do updates and office  which they did
when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder.



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RE: Migration of Features?

[Paulette Vickery via Talk]

Hi Dave,

Well said! I don't want to make the change back to Jaws, especially since
they were the opposission, but since it's free, I will try it. But like you,
I can be as grumpy as I like about the switch! I guess I will be on that
Jaws list, too.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Migration of Features?

For what it's worth, the offer to Upgrade to JAWS for Free is a very
good offer.  The Brass at JAWS did not need to do this.  

Sure moving over to Jaws requires a bit of effort on our part.  We do
need to learn a new keyboard layout, and some of those keys might not be
as easy as the Window Eyes layout, but at this Time you have three
choices.  Stay with Window Eyes, go with Jaws and put out a little
effort to learn a few new Key Commands, or move over to NVDA where you
will also need to learn a few new Commands.  

Hey, I get it, I too am reluctantly moving over to JAWS, after all they
were the oppisition, and if I end up not liking it, I can then move to
NVDA, which I intend
to continue to use so I can come up to speed with its method of reading
the screen.  

I figure Jaws will give me a few pleasant surprises, that I actually will
like, and of course there will be those places where something doesn't
make sense, and might even seem stupid.For me the New way Window
Eyes 9.X  Copied text from a Web Page would fall into that category.  I
didn't like it much, but I learned to use it and it worked for the most
part.  

So, figure out what Key Commands you use all the time in Window Eyes,
and then find out what the corresponding Key Commands would be in Jaws.   
What are we talking about here 10 to 15 commands?   Perhaps even less.   
And I am not talking about the entire range of Key commands found in
Window Eyes, but just the ones you use every day.There will be a
difference, probably a big difference.  

Others on this list and on the Jaws list will be willing to provide all
of us Jaws Virgins to make the change over in Style.  


At this point, I'll give the Free Upgrade to Jaws a try, and do what it
takes to learn a few new key commands to at least be able to navigate
around a bit in all the programs I currently use.  

See you on the Jaws list,

Grumpy Dave




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RE: whole migrating situation

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You get it from
yourdolphin.com

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:28 PM
To: Armando Maldonado; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Where do you get super nova

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super Nova 
and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, just my 
own personal opinion.
- Original Message -
From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation


> Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.
>
>
> Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option 
> which will best fit your needs.
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
> 832.554.7285
> Office: 832.639.4477
> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>
> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
> David Thornburg
>
>
> On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I 
>>> have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of 
>>> needs and experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use 
>>> mouse keys (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's 
>>> functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my 
>>> needs or wants, but others need far more than I do.
>>>
>>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will 
>>> have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive 
>>> or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>>
 On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurlander Richard (75)
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
 To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
 Subject: whole migrating situation

 As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and 
 are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug 
 and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that 
 since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried 
 to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not 
 having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you 
 use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab 
 keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is 
 a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo 
 could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest 
 problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and 
 not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
 I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
 listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you 
 think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? 
 Where are the cheat sheets that
>>>   c
   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
 All
>>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff 
>>> that you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
>>> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft 
>>> to help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line 
>>> should be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

Where do you get super nova

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super 
Nova and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, 
just my own personal opinion.
- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation


> Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.
>
>
> Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option which 
> will best fit your needs.
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
> Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
> Office: 832.639.4477
> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>
> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
> David Thornburg
>
>
> On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
>>> probably
>>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need 
>>> far
>>> more than I do.
>>>
>>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
>>> commercial
>>> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>>
 On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurlander Richard (75)
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
 To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
 Subject: whole migrating situation

 As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
 using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
 Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
 bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
 screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
 to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
 you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
 use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
 switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
 keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
 everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
 I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
 listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
 have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
 the cheat sheets that
>>>   c
   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
 All
>>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
>>> you
>>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
>>> well
>>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all 
>>> screne
>>> readers.
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RE: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

According to http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate, you do need to act by 
July 31 to get the offer.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:09 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

I purchased window-eyes and I have some s m a's.  Does this mean that if I
migrate now, it is free, but, if I wait until after july 31, then I would
have to pay the full price of Jaws?  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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RE: Jaws-key, can it be remapped?

[Kevin Minor via Talk]

Hi.

Here's how to change the JAWS key to the CAPS LOCK key.

Hit INSERT+J.  In your setup the INSERT key is the JAWS key.

Go to the options menu.  If you have JAWS running in the system tray, you'll 
land on this menu choice.  This is how I run JAWS.  I'm not sure what JAWS 
looks like if not run from the system tray, but you want to get into the 
options menu.  Hit ENTER on that choice.

Now you'll be in the options menu.  Go to BASICS and press ENTER.

Now you'll be in a dialogue.  TAB around until you hear KEYBOARD LAYOUT.  My 
guess is you have it set to desktop.  Change it to laptop.

Finally, TAB to apply if it's available, hit ENTER on it, then hit ENTER on OK.

That's all there is to it.  If you have other questions, speak up.  I don't 
know all the JAWS commands, but I do know some basic ones, and I can search 
through the JAWS info to help.

Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY
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Learning Jaws

[Ted Larson via Talk]

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

So, blind people shouldn’t need to use a cane to get around.  We shouldn’t need 
a guide dog either.  Sighted people just walk around all day.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:39 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not 
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and 
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given 
software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of your 
e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are completely right 
however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend  
you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. 
You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are 
blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use 
any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know 
any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

While the main competitor of JFW may be gone, others are emerging.  

You’ve still got choice.  It may not be the choice you would like to make, but, 
the playing field is changing.

Neither NVDA, or System Access was around when Window-Eyes and JFW came out.  
Back then, you had Slimware Window Bridge and ASAW from MicroTalk (although 
that one didn’t last as long).  Too, wasn’t there Artic Win Vision, though that 
may have only been for Windows 3.1.  Anyway, Window-Eyes and JFW were the major 
players from that era that stayed around the longest.

Now, there’s still NVDA, System Access, and SuperNova.  SuperNova needs to play 
catch-up, a little, but, it is an option.  They seem willing to accommodate 
users who want to migrate to their products, as they do provide alternate 
keyboard layouts.  Narrator is maturing, and may be a force  to be reckoned 
with.

So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.

The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.

The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:03 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
> more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
>> the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
> readers.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Armando Maldonado via Talk]

Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super 
Nova and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, 
just my own personal opinion.
- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation



Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.


Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option which 
will best fit your needs.



--
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Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
David Thornburg



On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
 wrote:


I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need 
far

more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
commercial

(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

  c
  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
well

as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all 
screne

readers.

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Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Ted Larson via Talk]

I purchased window-eyes and I have some s m a's.  Does this mean that if I
migrate now, it is free, but, if I wait until after july 31, then I would
have to pay the full price of Jaws?  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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Re: whole migrating situation

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? 
There is always choice.



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On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have 
to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with 
Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
updates and office  which they did when they introduced the ribbon things 
became  harder.



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Re: whole migrating situation

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.


Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option 
which will best fit your needs.



--
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Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
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Thornburg


On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk  
wrote:

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

  c

  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All

screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.

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RE: whole migrating situation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have 
to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with 
Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
updates and office  which they did when they introduced the ribbon things 
became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome 
>> any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I am pretty young, (50 this year), so I have not had as much trouble with 
change as some.

Over the years, I have come from DOS to Windows.

I started with a demo of Soft Vert.  Then, I got ASAP and used the demo for a 
while.  I also tried JAWS for DOS, as well as Vocal-Eyes.  For some reason, 
though, ASAP did what I wanted.  In my job, it carried me all the way to 1998 
when my company “merged with” (they were actually bought out by) another 
company.  I had already purchased Windows 3.1 with no screen reader, nor a clue 
as to what to use.  Through that time, I bought Slimware Window Bridge, tried 
out JFW and settled on a demo of ASAW for a while.  I upgraded to Windows 95, 
then, in my job, had to switch to a Windows terminal emulation package, so I 
got JFW.  But, at home, I went with Window-Eyes, because I liked its approach 
and agreed more with its licensing model.

I never thought I’d use a touch device, but, have tried several over the years, 
using MobileSpeak and VoiceOver on IOS.  I’m about to play some more with, 
what’s its name, Oh, yeah, TalkBack, on an Android phone I’m hoping to inherit 
from my 12 year-old daughter when she gets her pictures off of it.  Memory 
going.  Another 10 years, and I’ll be in trouble.  Oh, yes, almost forgot to 
mention Speakup and Orca on Linux.  Haven’t tried Emac Speak yet.

I don’t know if I’m a glutton for punishment, or what.  I guess I’ve always 
liked to experiment with things.

However, change is not always welcome.  There are many of us who just want our 
computers to work, and we get very used to a certain way of doing things.

One thing I applaud GW Micro for doing is their willingness to provide several 
alternate keyboard layouts for JAWS users and others, not insisting that their 
way is the best or only way.  It may, indeed, be possible to do a kind of 
Window-Eyes layout for JAWS, but, I’m not sure.  Have to study the manual when 
I get some time.  Having a wife and 2 children has put some demands on my time 
that weren’t there before.

Gotta go out to wait for the school bus for my 6 year-old daughter.
 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:32 AM
To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Sold down the river. That's a pretty good one. What we have seen, is how true 
capitalism works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard:
> 
> We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and
> we have to get used to it.  Many people did not like when DOS was
> fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did.
> 
> I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river.
> It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies.  That's the way
> it is.
> 
> Kevin Huber
> 
> On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using
>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all
>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these
>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close
>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader.
>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow
>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is
>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have
>> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome
>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel
>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the
>> cheat sheets that c
>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
>> readers.
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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not 
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and 
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given 
software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of your 
e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are completely right 
however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend  
you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. 
You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are 
blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use 
any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know 
any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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Re: JFW first impressions.

[James Bentley via Talk]

Hi Bryan,

Sorry you got stuck having to learn a new screen reader.  I know how much I 
hate change.  And, a lot of WE user’s are in for a big one.  Bryan, I’m certain 
that many Jaws users will be happy to assist.

Note, I am using Jaws 17 but, maybe the directions will be the same.

To add a very slight pause at the end of a line or, sentence, try this.  

Type insert, (the Jaws key), together with the F2 key.

press the letter S until you hear settings center and hit enter.

Press shift control D if you want your change to be global.

Down arrow one time and press S until you hear say all.

Right arrow to open.

Down arrow one time and use the space bar to toggle between the various 
settings.

Tab to apply and hit enter.  Then, tab back around to the OK button and hit 
enter.  You are finished.

Good luck, and, I hope all of you WE users find as much assistance on list as I 
have.

James B


From: Bryan Peterson via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: JFW first impressions.

Ok, so I downloaded and installed the demo of JAWS 18. I’m slowly getting the 
hang of it, though it’s taking me a while to figure out how to save things like 
my keyboard settings and speech rate and things like that so that they’ll be 
that way when JAWS first boots up. I have noticed, and maybe there’s a way to 
change this? that when reading a document it doesn’t seem to pause very long at 
the end of a sentence, so it almost sounds like a run-on. That may seem trivial 
to some but it does make it a little harder for me to follow what I’m reading. 
But I’ve gotten so used to WE that JAWS is taking a while to get reaccustomed 
to. But so far I might consider trying to scrape together the funds for it.
Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
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Re: JFW first impressions.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brian:

I think that the pausing  issue is more likely a synthesizer issue,
but I could be wrong.
Kevin Huber


On 5/16/17, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:
> Ok, so I downloaded and installed the demo of JAWS 18. I’m slowly getting
> the hang of it, though it’s taking me a while to figure out how to save
> things like my keyboard settings and speech rate and things like that so
> that they’ll be that way when JAWS first boots up. I have noticed, and maybe
> there’s a way to change this? that when reading a document it doesn’t seem
> to pause very long at the end of a sentence, so it almost sounds like a
> run-on. That may seem trivial to some but it does make it a little harder
> for me to follow what I’m reading. But I’ve gotten so used to WE that JAWS
> is taking a while to get reaccustomed to. But so far I might consider trying
> to scrape together the funds for it.
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RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Use Insert-B for read box.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:12 AM
To: Kevin Minor ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Here's what I don't understand about jaws?

On the windows 10 update screen, I use incert plus b and jaws won't read it. 
I can use shift plus control plus w and windoweyes  will read it.

Switching to the jaws curser, it won't read it.  I can read the screen using 
the window eyes mouse keys on the numpad.

-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Minor via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Hi Brenda.

I'll answer how you change what the mouse can read with JAWS.  In JAWS, 
you're restricting what the mouse, or JAWS cursor in JAWS lingo does.  My 
instructions deal with using the numeric keypad.  First, get the JAWS cursor 
focus by hitting the numeric dash key, which is the upper right key on the 
numeric keypad.  Next, hit JAWS+R to change the restriction of the JAWS 
cursor.  The JAWS cursor is the INSERT key on the numpad.

Hope you find this helpful.
Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
> more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
>> the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
> readers.
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JFW first impressions.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Ok, so I downloaded and installed the demo of JAWS 18. I’m slowly getting the 
hang of it, though it’s taking me a while to figure out how to save things like 
my keyboard settings and speech rate and things like that so that they’ll be 
that way when JAWS first boots up. I have noticed, and maybe there’s a way to 
change this? that when reading a document it doesn’t seem to pause very long at 
the end of a sentence, so it almost sounds like a run-on. That may seem trivial 
to some but it does make it a little harder for me to follow what I’m reading. 
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Here here!

On 5/16/2017 9:47 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Quit complaining and give Jaws a try or don't.  If you don't like how a screen 
reader is made write one yourself.  I think you will quickly see the challenges 
the devs have.  How about a little thanks to
Doug and the rest of the Staff and to VFO for giving us this offer that they 
didn't have to do!!!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work 
part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail 
and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you 
feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; 'Dennis Long' ; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app.
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay for 
or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or 
donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it 
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back 
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a 
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States 
and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their 
local distributor for options. We are committed to our custome

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Quit complaining and give Jaws a try or don't.  If you don't like how a screen 
reader is made write one yourself.  I think you will quickly see the challenges 
the devs have.  How about a little thanks to 
Doug and the rest of the Staff and to VFO for giving us this offer that they 
didn't have to do!!!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work 
part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail 
and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you 
feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; 'Dennis Long' ; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. 
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay for 
or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or 
donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it 
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back 
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a 
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States 
and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their 
local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor 
existing product purchases and software mai

Re: whole migrating situation

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

He has the right to choose whatever is in the market place.

On 5/16/2017 12:38 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote:
> Then, perhaps we are not dealing with capitalism, as the customer doesn't 
> have the right to choose?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so
>> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but
>> others need far more than I do.
>>
>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or
>> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>
>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using 
>>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all 
>>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these 
>>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close 
>>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. 
>>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow 
>>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it 
>>> is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could 
>>> have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome 
>>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel 
>>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the 
>>> cheat sheets th
 at
>>   c
>>>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All 
>>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you 
>>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
>>> well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. 
>>> The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all 
>>> screne readers.
>>> ___
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>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>
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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Then, perhaps we are not dealing with capitalism, as the customer doesn't have 
the right to choose?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for 
> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to 
> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using 
>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all 
>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these 
>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close 
>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. 
>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow 
>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is 
>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have 
>> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome 
>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel 
>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the 
>> cheat sheets tha
 t
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All 
>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you 
>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well 
>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The 
>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne 
>> readers.
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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for 
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
others need far more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to 
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using 
> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of 
> gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other 
> companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each 
> other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think 
> that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab 
> keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in 
> the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft 
> wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to 
> pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I have the time or 
> energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All 
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you 
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well 
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The 
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne 
> readers.
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