RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" wrote: > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended > > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States > > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We > > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product > > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue > > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased > > Window-Eyes or a support package. > > > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use > > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system > > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > > adequately for your needs. > > > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are > > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to > > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes > > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as > > follows. > > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will > > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge. > > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can > > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18. > > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue > > to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, > > if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales > > team at 800-444-4443. > > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program > > for end users that migrate to JAWS. > > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting > > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. > > > > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a > > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will > > then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request > > additional information if necessary. > > > > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at > > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at > > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017. > > > > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office > > version is not part of the conversion program. > > > > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us > > at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com. > > > > > > Aaron Smith > > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x > > 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com > > > > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may > > constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of > > the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, > > disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is > > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have r
Another Concern About Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
A concern that I have had since FS and GWMicro/ai squared became VFO is the concern that a list that is sponsored by or at least monitored by the producer of the screen reader used is available. This list always had people monitoring what was going on on the list to address problems and concerns and I always thought GW Micro had a better support process than FS and I used them both because I was a user of both products to give my clients/students alternatives to accessibility. So I guess it's going to be Windows narrator and NVDA to have an alternative to jaws. I always thought that the tutorials and other training from GW Micro was excellent. I'm hoping that the attitudes and expertise brought to VFO from ai squared/gw micro is combined to make it a better place. I used to be not so thrilled by SF's attitude toward resolving problems that customers had with JAWS. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:51 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Matthew, I wanted to formally address this question. You can install JAWS on as many computers as you need. We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your computers, you should not be losing keys. As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only. We don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM To: Joseph Norton via Talk Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration My question is: On how many computers can we install JAWS? The reason I ask is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, and a new laptop. Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed. With the new JAWS, that may not be the case. In that instance, I have issues about migrating. Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy. This kind of "too bad, so sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will. Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the state. I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes. As long as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy. With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more money, a disincentive for hiring us. Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote: > You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes. It will happily co-exist with > Jaws. Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other > whenever you want it. Don’t know how long app central and the other Web > services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the > present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it. > > I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel > an urgency to start using Jaws right away. > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Loy via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM > To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > - Original Message - > From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. > We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the > United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and > Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are > committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases > and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide > technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support > package. > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the > software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function > adequately for your needs. > > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering > JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a > smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product > purchases and software ma
RE: Failure to hold VFO to account
I realize that tablets and phones for use to replace or complement a computer are not for everyone. But that as a given, I believe the future of accessibility is going to improve and that even Jaws and Zoom Text or Magic may eventually be obsolete because whatever hardware is the latest rage will eventually be totally accessible. Until then, there are some options to deal with whatever you have to deal with. There are options such as getting a computer from Computers For The Blind, purchasing for a minimal fee NVDA or downloading it free, purchasing Microsoft Office and downloading Window Eyes for Office free or paying a reasonable price for technical support. Then of course, you can buy tablets for very reasonable prices from Amazon which have magnification and speech already on them and finally phones which have accessibility built in. There are truly a lot more options than there were a few years ago. I don't want Window Eyes to go away. But who knows what will come along next Marcie Brink-Chaney? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:18 PM To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account Yeah! but the prices make it to where a fair number of the blind can't buy a screen reader. I know there's a lot of work that goes into creating and keeping a screen reader up to date. But, I also know there are a lot of Government substities for such. Just like the Lighthouse's get donations, grants, and tax exempt status, and yet there products cost twice as much as open market products. Tell me this, how many of the top 10 people at Freedom scifi, or VFO are actually blind??? These top 10 are also the top wage, bonus, expense, earners, and so on and so forth. -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:33 PM To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Pamela Dominguez Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account To be fair, the disparity between the price of a screen reader and the price of a desk top has everything to do with supply and demand. Fewer consumers are purchasing desk tops. Until most screen reader users replace their screen readers with Iphone-like products, the price of a screen reader will likely not decrease much. On 3/16/2017 5:35 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote: > Hmmm, how about a screenreader company that charges more for their > product than a decent desktop these days? Some people might call that > being "penalized" simply to access their PC, something any sighted > person can do right out of the box. > Evan > > -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:02 PM > To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account > > Yes. Somebody said about something: "The only way it's hard is if you > make > it hard". Well, it seems to me that that is quight subjective. He is > speaking from his own experience. Those of us who don't rush to get every > little new thing don't think that way. I don't see why we should be > penalized because we don't want a touch screen or whatever the newest > thing > is. Pam. > > -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:11 PM > To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Reeva Webb > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account > > I understand that. And that is great, for you. I just can't deal with > touch screens. Give me buttons to push. As I said in an earlier note, > the same solution isn't for everyone. You guys and your i whatevers > think they solve the world's access problems. Perhaps for some they do. > I can't figure out how to run my IPod. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, Russ Kiehne > via Talk wrote: > >> In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor reader >> stream first generation, Booksense standard and plextalk pocket. It >> has more volume, better battery life and better sound. It does >> everything they do and a lot more. >> >> -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account >> >> You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had >> in the >> past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a >> electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook >> and soon windows computers with accessibility out of the box. You don't >> have to spend extra money unless you want to. While what is happening >> with >> zt fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm >> seriously considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find >> myself using my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less
