Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)
On 03/08/2018 09:22, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: I just tried to create the 3-words address for a building in Odessa, Ukraine. The system suggested "dressings.cookies.brothers". It would be close to impossible to transmit these three words over the telephone to a local taxi dispatcher. Some people may just not know English words well enough. The same about 8 English letters. But 8 Cyrillic letters may work. If the UTF8 encoding is used in a database then both Latin and Cyrillic letters could be used, and, perhaps, other scripts. You can set the language to Russian. This, I believe, gives the address as лотерея.русый.замок -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)
I understand what you mean and I share your view. I would like just to mention that the European civilization absorbed others' achievements massively.For example, corn ended for good famines in Europe. At the same time, it was the product of five thousand years selection effort by people of South America. Or Hindu-Arabic numerals, or coffee from Ethiopia, the list is very long.Perhaps, it is still possible to co-develop without interference. Perhaps, by creating the new open source address system, we get the feedback and improve our obsolete 18th century address system too.Best regards,OleksiySent from my Huawei Mobile___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)
To me this is just another way of colonisation, forcing (technical) systems upon other people who have no say in them. They are communicated as a means to help people, but are mainly to make a buck in the end. Instead we at OSM should leave it up to the people themselves to choose how to describe their location in a way they feel like, and provide a means to do so based on that. Technology should be designed to support people in their preferred way of life, not to force them to a way of life because that’s what most easily is implemented in technology. Cheers, dikkeknodel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)
I just tried to create the 3-words address for a building in Odessa, Ukraine. The system suggested "dressings.cookies.brothers". It would be close to impossible to transmit these three words over the telephone to a local taxi dispatcher.Some people may just not know English words well enough. The same about 8 English letters. But 8 Cyrillic letters may work. If the UTF8 encoding is used in a database then both Latin and Cyrillic letters could be used, and, perhaps, other scripts.The lattitude and longitude numbers will not reflect the apartment level, entrance lock code, name, and other information.The classic addresses are also somewhat outdated in this respect. For example, when I order a delivery, I must provide also the level and entrance code, otherwise a courrier will not be able to deliver an order.If the database is not big for 3-words, it would be even smaller for 8-letters approach. So, probably, it could fit on a mobile device, at least for one country or a region.Best regards,OleksiySent from my Huawei Mobile___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)
Subject changed ;) On 03.08.2018 08:41, Maarten Deen wrote: > The extra penalty for What3words is that you also need an active > internet connection (or a huge offline addressing database) to convert > the three words to a location. ... > Is it easier and > quicker for me to first open some app to try and find my 8 letter > location or my 3 What3words, or is it easier and quicker to just read > out my gps location? I am certainly not a what3words fan (I hope this is obvious) but in the service of truth I need to say two things for them: First, they claim that their offline addressing database is actually not huge, but small enough to use on most devices. The problem is not that the database is huge, it's that the database is protected and they'll slap a takedown notice on anyone using it without their agreement, e.g. https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2016/2016-07-05-what3words.md. Second, they claim that saying three natural language words on a potentially low-quality radio or mobile phone connection leaves less room for misreadings than dictating a string of numbers. They claim that the dictionary has been curated in a way as to not have similar-sounding words, a claim that, I believe, has been often ridiculed with examples but I don't have any at hand right now. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk