Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
On 28 July 2010 01:04, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > maybe this could be treated more general? It would be really appealing > to have localized subway/lightrail-station-symbols Depending how much effort you want to put into this, you could also render customised POI icons unique to chain stores, banks, and so on... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
2010/7/25 John Smith : > I started working on this problem: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields maybe this could be treated more general? It would be really appealing to have localized subway/lightrail-station-symbols cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
2010/7/25 John Smith : > I'd be happy to just see localised highway shields... once you have them, you can do whatever other local differentiation you like to. I wonder what we would need to. For maintenance reasons there shouldn't be complete different stylesheets, but just for the features that really are to be rendered differently. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
On 25 July 2010 22:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > actually I'd like different styles by country (with fallback to a > region standard, say per continent or sth. similar) but then not on > separated layers but stitched together as one singular map. You could > have local road colours and ref-markers, local traffic signs and > transportation signs (subway, Busstops etc.). For transportation (or > other) that could even be signs on an individual/network basis. I'd be happy to just see localised highway shields... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
2010/7/21 John Smith : > On 21 July 2010 02:02, Richard Weait wrote: >> Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the renderers >> they use? Is overloading the terms mapnik and osmarender as both a >> tile layer, style file and rendering library confusing? > > The reason it is overloaded is to keep it short, but at the same time > it's partially descriptive, the 2 different pieces of rendering > software do render differently, I dislike the other suggestions > because they are too vague, that is of course unless you are > suggesting we start making different style sheets on a per country > basis? > > Would you prefer "OSM London style using Mapnik" and "OSM Canadian > style using Osmarender" ? actually I'd like different styles by country (with fallback to a region standard, say per continent or sth. similar) but then not on separated layers but stitched together as one singular map. You could have local road colours and ref-markers, local traffic signs and transportation signs (subway, Busstops etc.). For transportation (or other) that could even be signs on an individual/network basis. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
Andy Allan gmail.com> writes: >>The name is arbitrary and just needs to be short and >>memorable; 'Mapnik' and 'Osmarender' are not bad choices. > >Personally I think they are terrible choices - like naming a painting >"E15A Camel hair" just because that's the brush you used to create it. Maybe so - I was trying to look at it from the point of view of someone who knows nothing about technology - for them, 'Mapnik' is just a funny made-up word and not really any better or worse than any other. >More importantly, it keeps causing confusion for the mapnik project - >getting bug reports saying things like "why doesn't the forest show up >on z6" - when it's nothing to do with the code of the rendering >library. Interesting you should say that - but isn't it the case that in the OSM bug-tracker, the category called 'mapnik' is not so much for bugs in that program, but for changes to the style rules. >And if we're aiming at anyone other than map-rendering-geeks, >nobody really cares which library is used to render them Indeed, and if they don't care, they wouldn't care either that the names somehow match with map rendering programs. Only people who know about such things see it as a problem! Don't get me wrong, I am not at all opposed to changing the name, and have no strong opinion about which to pick; but from an end-user point of view it hardly matters. They are just random words. >I think they could do with better names, but especially in the case of >the mapnik layer it would be great to call it something other than >mapnik. I guess the 'default OSM style' needs its own catchy name. -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Ed Avis wrote: > I think the names for tile choice are fine. It's clearly impossible to give > a verbal description of what each one looks like, so the only way to choose is > to try them in turn. The name is arbitrary and just needs to be short and > memorable; 'Mapnik' and 'Osmarender' are not bad choices. Personally I think they are terrible choices - like naming a painting "E15A Camel hair" just because that's the brush you used to create it. More importantly, it keeps causing confusion for the mapnik project - getting bug reports saying things like "why doesn't the forest show up on z6" - when it's nothing to do with the code of the rendering library. And if we're aiming at anyone other than map-rendering-geeks, nobody really cares which library is used to render them - and both libraries are used by more maps than just the "mapnik" and "osmarender" layer on osm.org And on that point, the four maps should really be called "mapnik, osmarender, mapnik, mapnik". Unfortunately naming them after the next level up in the stack isn't much more helpful: "mod_tile, t...@h, some_ancient_mod_tile, something_proprietary" I think they could do with better names, but especially in the case of the mapnik layer it would be great to call it something other than mapnik. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
Elena of Valhalla wrote: What about descriptive names like "General", "Driving" or "Default" for mapnik and "Full-featured", "Developement" or just "Alternative" for osmarender? How about the original intent - "updates at most once a week" (aka Mapnik) and "updates as often as we feel like it" (Osmarender)? ;) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
Richard Weait wrote: > Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the > renderers they use? Is overloading the terms mapnik and > osmarender as both a tile layer, style file and rendering > library confusing? We had this discussion way way way way back, and I vaguely remember suggesting "Classic style" and "Community style". But really, it's none of my business. Steve (Ch), Lennard, and Jon are the ones who get to decide what the "Mapnik" style is called; spaetz, petschge, deelkar et al get to decide what the "Osmarender" layer is called. If anyone apart from Dave, Andy and the other Potlatch coders told me to rename OSM's online editor I suspect I'd tell them to get lost. ;) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/renaming-rendering-layers-tp5317278p5321114.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
I think the names for tile choice are fine. It's clearly impossible to give a verbal description of what each one looks like, so the only way to choose is to try them in turn. The name is arbitrary and just needs to be short and memorable; 'Mapnik' and 'Osmarender' are not bad choices. Even Cloudmade's site, which has dozens of different styles to pick, makes no attempt to give them descriptions beyond a poetic hint at how a style might look. -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
On 21 July 2010 02:02, Richard Weait wrote: > Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the renderers > they use? Is overloading the terms mapnik and osmarender as both a > tile layer, style file and rendering library confusing? The reason it is overloaded is to keep it short, but at the same time it's partially descriptive, the 2 different pieces of rendering software do render differently, I dislike the other suggestions because they are too vague, that is of course unless you are suggesting we start making different style sheets on a per country basis? Would you prefer "OSM London style using Mapnik" and "OSM Canadian style using Osmarender" ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
On 7/20/10, Richard Weait wrote: > Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the renderers > they use? [...] > I think we need better names for the current mapnik and osmarender > layers on OSM.org.[...] What about descriptive names like "General", "Driving" or "Default" for mapnik and "Full-featured", "Developement" or just "Alternative" for osmarender? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers
Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the renderers they use? Is overloading the terms mapnik and osmarender as both a tile layer, style file and rendering library confusing? The German OSM site refers to the layers as Standard and Alternative, which removes the confusion but is perhaps not as inspirational? Cycle Map and NoName are better as functional descriptions, so we can probably leave them alone. I think we need better names for the current mapnik and osmarender layers on OSM.org. How about naming them after well-mapped, foundational places in OSM? London-style, Berlin-style or Karsruhe-style? Or how about CodeName styles, like Burrowing Badger or Fleeting Glimpse? While these have nothing to do with the two general purpose styles currently on osm.org at least they are not names of related projects that lead to potential parsing problems. Thoughts? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
