Re[2]: Info about TB! 2.00.18?
Monday, September 29, 2003, 7:56:55 AM, Marck wrote: M> @29-Sep-2003, 07:44 -0400 (12:44 UK time) Dave Kennedy [DK] in M> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DK>> I see that a few folks are using 2.00.18. What's fixed in DK>> this? Release notes anywhere? M> Please review the TBBETA archive since this version is only M> available as a beta release. Didn't realize it was beta. I don't have the b/w to do beta testing at this time. Maybe in the future -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Info about TB! 2.00.18?
I see that a few folks are using 2.00.18. What's fixed in this? Release notes anywhere? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why MyGate with TB!?
Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 4:12:58 PM, Dave wrote: D> Why do people use MyGate -> The Bat! for their newsgroups? D> Why not a specialized newsreader like xnews? So, reading through through the various response (Thanks!), the main reason seems to be it's nice to have the Usenet posts in the same place as e-mail. A valid reason. I asked because some of the threads in TBUDL and TBOT get so long that navigating them becomes onerous and I wish for the ability to handle them with News software. But, then I run across people doing the exact opposite with MyGate and had to wonder why. Does TB! have the basic rn/nn/etc. ability to "kill" a thread? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why MyGate with TB!?
Why do people use MyGate -> The Bat! for their newsgroups? Why not a specialized newsreader like xnews? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates
Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 12:31:57 PM, MAU wrote: M> You owe me a beer ;-) Anytime! Next time you're in Atlanta, give me a holler and your preference of dark or light is on me. :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates
Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 9:59:22 AM, MAU wrote: >> How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than >> defaulting to the account-level templates? M> There is no direct and easy way to tell M> I have used the %ACCOUNT macro with the account name (i.e. M> %ACCOUNT="MAU", which is not at all needed). This tells me it M> is a default template Good suggestion! I've already implemented it. Thanks! -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates
Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 9:03:15 AM, Roelof wrote: R> That's because when you don't define folder templates, you R> still see them, but they're identical to your account R> templates. Right. Which begs my main question: How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than defaulting to the account-level templates? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder templates vs. AB templates
How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than defaulting to the account-level templates? Details... In cleaning up my TBUDL & TBOT templates, I was checking the folder templates for each. Before I learned about AB templates, I had set up folder templates for TBUDL, so I expected to find something there and did. What surprised me is I couldn't tell the difference between the folder templates for the rest of my folders, including TBOT, and the account-level templates. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Blocking Bat mail
Friday, September 19, 2003, 8:43:54 AM, Martin WEBSTER wrote: JP>> Initially there was a virus (or virii - such a word?) M> Oh no, not again... believe me it's virus (singular) and M> viruses (plural). M> - -- Best regards, Martin Webster Anyone with that last name, I'll have to believe about words! :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Junk plug-in
Sunday, September 14, 2003, 11:40:38 AM, Rich wrote: R> What else are batters using for a junk filter plug-in? POPFile (http://popfile.sourceforge.net) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: A new utility - POP3 bandwidth limiter
Thursday, September 11, 2003, 2:41:30 PM, Leif wrote: L> Thursday, September 11, 2003, 12:35:57 PM, you wrote: L> DOH!!! DOH!!! DOH!!! L> I formally apologize to you. I'm sorry. As a recipient of the occasional dead fish, I'm retrieving them from my super-secret storage location in preparation of a return to sender. Phew! They really smell bad now! :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 8:23:15 PM, Allie wrote: A> We are in the know and they're not. :) You put a smiley there, but you're right! When Mosaic came out, I was one of the first to stop using Gopher and Archie; the new way was so much easier and quickly became more appealing. A> We know the problems with HTML and they don't. None of those typical end-users created the clients; a techy did - because there was a market for it. People wanted to send something other than boring-looking plain text e-mail. A> It's an entirely different matter to have the problems A> presented to someone and they still advocate HTML!! and running> Man, where's a smelly old fish when you need one? :) My position is not one of advocating HTML, but a more practical rather than an ivory tower view of the world. Pandora opened her HTML e-mail and it's here to stay. We techies have to figure out a way to deal with it. TB! is one - filter the "meat" and ignore the fluff. Works for me, but I don't have a shortage of b/w. Side note - In the vast majority of cases, the issue of bandwidth is a red herring in this argument. Not that bandwidth doesn't matter, but SPAM has become so overwhelming that its percentage use of bandwidth far exceeds the cost of HTML. If b/w is the main concern, SPAM needs to get the attention. The battle of HTML vs. plain text is comparable to the religious wars of Windows vs. Mac, Motif vs. OpenLook, etc. People have an opinion, and they have facts to support their side. The other side has just has many facts, too. It comes down to what a person believes and values. If you have a lot of b/w, "paying" 3K for a 1K message is not a big deal and the "waving palms" aren't that bothersome other than aesthetically. If you don't, then _paying_ 3K for 1K hurts! PS - I've not posted this much of my opinions in 10 years - in this post and others recently. It must be pent up and overflowing! Maybe more fiber would help. :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Palm fronds and scuba diving
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 12:34:58 PM, Thomas wrote: T> Send me a message with waving palms on the beach, and I'll T> blacklist you... LOL! And then I'll probably suggest you come T> and visit Thailand. ;-) I could do with seeing some waving palm fronds and blue water right about now. Vacation is about three weeks away and I'm well overdue! :) How's the diving in Thailand? (Now it's officially TBOT-land!) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 4:29:36 AM, FJ wrote: F> You're turning things around here. With all communications, F> the presentation and formatting lies with the originator. This F> is true for newspapers, slide show presentations, snail mail F> letters, email, etc.. Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner! Nicely said. F> Concerning bad taste, people can write horribly in plain ASCII F> too. Remember the phase about 7 years ago or so where the use of ASCII "art" became so overdone? The uproar over its use in conjunction with excessive .sigs, and we've got people on this list who sure do go overboard with theirs, was about the same as the noise about the evils of HTML e-mail. -- Dave Kennedy Here's my title Here's my place of business Here's my address Here's my clever saying Here's my e-mail version Here's my OS version and service pack Here's my ICQ Here's my secondary e-mail address Here's my tertiary e-mail address Here's my current winamp song Here's my phone number Here's my fax number Here's my cell phone number Here's my advertisement for my speaking engagement Here's my PGP signature Oh yeah, here's my web site Gets a bit much, huh? :) Notice that at least I put all this nonsense after the "-- " delimiter. But, hey, if you read this far you must have found it a little bit funny! :) And all of these examples I've pulled from people on TBUDL - a somewhat technical crowd. Oh, well Have a great day! Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 5:43:27 PM, Allister wrote: A> And if you can think of a case where this is so, could it be A> better handled by posting a web page, or PDF file, or A> attaching a PDF file to the email? 1. Acrobat Reader is not as universal as HTML even if it is a free download. 2. Posting something to a web page changes the paradigm from a "push" to a "pull." If I have something I need people to see, I have to send an e-mail to people (push) and then get them to click a link (pull). If someone d/l's their e-mail to handle off-line, it's really painful for them. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 9:50:52 PM, Vishal wrote: V> Right. People like us on this list don't appreciate that. But V> we aren't really representative of the majority. That is such a great point! (I wish I had made it. :) ) We techies so often forget that our view of the world is different than the typical end user. 10 years ago it was a true technical accomplishment to have an Internet connection and LAN in your own home. (I think I just strained my arm patting myself on the back. :) ) Nowadays, it's a complete no-brainer that anyone can do and the vast majority of Internet users are not technically savvy. The Internet is becoming to be treated in the same manner as automobiles. I.e. "I just want it to work and don't care how it works." V> Many reasons, but I know a lot of people who *like* receiving V> messages with fancy stationery. Me, too. That's one of the reasons why I use TB! so that much of the HTML nonsense is filtered for me. That's my choice. Many, if not most, enjoy the background gif of a notebook, the sand on a beach, waving palms, on and on ad nauseam. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Killing sobig on the server
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 9:15:04 PM, Gordon wrote: G> For others, the problem seems to be that in the selective G> download I can't see a way of specifying that the "Details" G> heading be the *only* word in the subject line. In other words G> to kill messages with a subject line that says "Details" but G> let through those which say "Here are the Details". I'm familiar with Unix regex and this would do what you want on a Unix system. I've not tried it with TB!: ^Details$ The caret '^' says that the 'D' must start at the beginning of the line. The dollar '$' says that the 's' must be at the end of the line. Would you post your filters that you have set up, please? I'll give them a try on my system and maybe together we can get this working better. I'm motivated to get this working since I've received over 250 of the sobig viruses in the last 5 days. Between Norton, POPFile, and TB! they're not a threat, but I'd rather not burn the bandwidth downloading them. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 1:14:57 PM, Thomas wrote: T> Your choice is costing me money. Outlandish HTML e-mail (with the dangerous stuff filtered by TB!) is mildly annoying. However, SPAM causes me much more heartache. In the past 6 months, I've received ~15,000 e-mails. Of those ~7,000 are SPAM. That uses more bandwidth by far than the HTML e-mails. I'd like to see a way to identify these suckers on the server and blow them away! -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Killing sobig on the server
Sunday, September 7, 2003, 2:34:06 AM, Gordon wrote: G> I have been trying the Selective Download filters to avoid G> downloading the SoBig infected files I've been keeping an eye on this, but haven't seen any responses. Did you figure out how to do it? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 10:08:21 AM, Jamie wrote: > I'm also terribly prejudiced against fonts, if you want me to think > you're a 5 year old feel free to use Comic Sans, otherwise use a > businesslike font. It's a pain for me to have to set things up so that > stupid unreadable fonts are displayed correctly. Interesting, I happen to really dislike left/right justification of fixed-width fonts. It's very distracting to read. Actually, it's only mildly annoying, kind of like that Comic Sans, which I also dislike. The point is that different people have different preferences. I would _never_ send out a left & right justified e-mail, you must think it's kind of cool. (Wrong! :) ) I like TB!'s handling of HTML e-mails where it strips out the meat of the message and ignores the rest. If I want to see the message in all its "glory" I click on a tab and there it is (minus the dangerous stuff). I'd still like for TB! to allow me as the end-user to select the HTML editor as my default editor. I mean. really, there is an option to turn on/off the little menu navigator thingy that I ignored for at least a year until learning to how turn it off yesterday. Can't we have one little-itty-bitty check-box that says "Use HTML Editor as Default?" 'Nuff said. -- Dave Kennedy Where is nroff when you need it? Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 8:59:49 AM, Bill wrote: B> If the goal is COMMUNICATION, plain text wins. If the goal is You are trying to emphasize "COMMUNICATION," right? That's why it's capitalized? I wonder if HTML would have been able to present that across better by using italics or bold font? B> "making it pretty", HTML wins. That's kind of a simple-minded view. Presentation counts. There have been a few snipes recently about how FoxMail does a lousy job at wrapping lines, etc. That's presentation and it clearly matters to even us plain-text techy types. B> I receive a lot of HTML messages that look like ransom notes. Great simile! B> "If I have 557 fonts, then I'm going to use every one of them B> in every message," Agreed. It's just like the early days of the Apple LaserWriter and all those hideous print newsletters that came out with 557 fonts all over it. Still, we survived those days. I'm disappointed to learn that the HTML editor on TB is as weak as being presented and that you can't make it the default. These discussions kind of remind me of Mac users defending their black & white screens when Windows came out with color screen. "Who needs color? It just slows things down and doesn't add anything!" Having gone through many of these cycles, it's clear there will always be some who fight the progress that is inexorable and others who adapt. Lest you think that I'm a big HTML fan, I'm really not. I made out quite well with nroff/troff. However, there is this thing called momentum that HTML surely has. Even the fact that RIT has provided, however reluctantly, an HTML editor shows how much demand there is for it. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 7:27:58 AM, Allie wrote: A> Another trigger for conversion to base64 is the presence of A> trailing spaces. One such trailing space is in our signature A> delimiter. Apparently not all the time. F9 on your message showed the sig delimiter as '--=20' - that's dash-dash-equal-two-zero. So that's not always a trigger. The encoding was: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Options to TB!?
Monday, September 8, 2003, 5:19:40 PM, Brook wrote: B> I decided to see what else was out there for windows. It's B> been forever since i even looked. This has gone OT and if it hasn't, I'm really getting ready to take it there. Copying TBOT I'm in the same boat. What did you find? I'm satisfied with TB!, but I wouldn't mind knowing if there are any stronger options out there. I did set up my son with PocoMail primarily for its HTML editing abilities. It also has some macro programming/filtering abilities that I've used to automatically delete any spam (detected by POPFile) that comes his way. Side benefit for kids using e-mail is that the mega-forwards and chain-letters that his friends send him get recognized as spam and trashed. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Monday, September 8, 2003, 5:14:54 PM, Mark wrote: M> B) he's hoping that someday *somebody* will pipe up with how M> to get multiple accounts working on TB. I've never understood this complaint from people on the list. I selected TB! quite a few years ago primarily because of its ability to handle multiple accounts. At the time the only other MUA that could do so was Becky and Eudora Pro. I found TB! to be better for my needs. Hint for setting up additional accounts: Account->New... -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Monday, September 8, 2003, 2:37:24 PM, Jernej wrote: J> On Monday, September 8, 2003, 19:57:05, Dave Kennedy wrote: >> Why are messages from 2.0 encoded in base64? J> They aren't (unless the sender chooses so). OK. I seen quite a few messages sent by 2.0 users with in base64. What are the advantages of doing so? What are the disadvantages? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Why are messages from 2.0 encoded in base64? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Old-timey communications
Monday, September 8, 2003, 11:42:08 AM, Pixie wrote: P> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:24:01 -0400 GMT, Dave Kennedy wrote: P> Grin! I was fascinated with the telecommunications facet of P> computers from the instant I was exposed to it. I think the P> first modem I used was home-made. :-) Home-made! Very cool! My first dial-up access was over a 110 baud coupler-style modem attached to a teletype (it even had paper tape!) to an HP-2000 across town. I was in high school and was a "technical" assistant in a group that had the teletype. After doing my real work, I could program in BASIC as much as I wanted. I used to rig the computer room's door lock (it was actually just a closet) and climb over the main school gate to sneak in after school hours. I finally got busted by the janitor. You should have seen the quandary the principle was in deciding what punishment to dole out to me! An AP student "breaking into" school after hours to learn more about computers! P> I have a few of those still. My word, I think the going rate P> on a couple of the USR modems I have was around US$600+ at the P> time. That may have even been after the SysOp discount. Very fun times. Crosstalk, etc.! My neighbor across the street ran a BBS and had at least one T into his house to support all his phone lines. I used to dog-sit for him and all those blinking lights and silver USR modems were way cool. This was circa 1982-1984 or so. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Monday, September 8, 2003, 6:13:26 AM, Pixie wrote: P> To a large extent the internet and the instant gratification P> it brings especially with software is tiresome at times. I P> used to never know doodle about alpha/beta stages and having P> the freshest version just wasn't a consideration unless P> problems came up. I never used to keep this current (disregard P> my OS :-) on so many applications when it required long P> distance BBS calls at the all too slow baud rates of the day. Many years ago, about 1985, I was an active Compu$erve user. I was using one of the first Macintoshes and used a really cool comm program called Red Ryder. It was very slick with great macros, xmodem, etc. I used Red Ryder to access Compu$erve and after a while it slowly dawned on me that the main reason I was using Compu$erve was to download new versions of RR. Eventually, I cancelled that service. Even way back then, I was fascinated with the ability of the world-wide communication that enabled. I was so proud of that 1200 baud modem when I got it! :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: My new 20 lines filter
Friday, September 5, 2003, 10:04:49 AM, MAU wrote: >> How about applying Bayesian logic to this? Can filters call >> an external program or a plug-in? M> Yes, on the Actions tab of filter you can select "Run external M> program". About Bayesian logic, I don't really know but I M> wouldn't think so. What is needed is a tool that would "learn" what you consider relevant and then process and score each individual e-mail. The Bayesian filters (I use POPFile) are moving in that directions, but are are not really sufficient. As a sci-fi reader, I await the day when the list of articles I'm interested in appears each day on my desktop! A possibility given current technical capabilities is to recognize certain patterns that reflect poor list "manners" such as: Too great a quoted text to original text ratio Top posting Etc. Then those could be detected and scored similar to what I suggested above. M> What we could perhaps try is to invent a Relevant Text M> Delimiter, much like the "-- " signature delimiter, and ask M> everyone to use it to mark where the real content (if any:) of M> their messages starts. What would you think of "%% "? Should M> we propose it? Wouldn't work. The people who would know about and follow putting "%%" as a marker already trim quotes, etc. adequately. Training people to do extra to make it easier for others doesn't work. Just note all the posts by the mods on this relevantly technical list just to get people to put sig delimiters in place and to not top post. M> Sorry, I'm not in TBOT. I'm going to still cross-post this to TBOT. Otherwise, I'm going to be wearing a big fish target across my chest. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Message list focus
Friday, September 5, 2003, 10:08:44 AM, Bill wrote: B> At 10:03 AM on 9/5/2003, Dave Kennedy typed ... D>>Typo in your template - delimiter B> Yeah. A deli-meter would be used to measure sausages, wouldn't B> it? Groann! (Made me laugh out loud!) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Message list focus
Friday, September 5, 2003, 10:00:02 AM, Leif wrote: L> You can easily automate this process by including the sig L> delimeter in your templates. ^ Typo in your template - delimiter -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: My new 20 lines filter
Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:37:37 AM, MAU wrote: M> No, I really can't. Those who know me have probably guessed M> that I was "kinda joking". I have no such filter. Too bad. :( It would be handy, huh? M> It is true that I have thought quite a bit about it because I M> do not want to waste even a few seconds on messages that say M> nothing "relevant" in the first 20 lines or so. How about applying Bayesian logic to this? Can filters call an external program or a plug-in? The biggest problem is what I find interesting varies from day to day. The 4x4 discussion on TBOT is interesting and humorous for me to read even though I don't have anything to contribute on that topic. And speaking of TBOT.... I'll copy this over there. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:21 PM, you wrote: GC> Can the Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it GC> necessary to get another programme to do this work. Many options are now available. I use POPFile http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address Book
Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 3:10:27 PM, Bob wrote: B> When new address books or folders are created how do I change B> the order of appearance in the address book itself...Some of B> them are in Alphabetical order and some are not as well as B> some of the original default folders are different B> colors... Thanks, BOB Did the address book get any attention in 2.0? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters, Spam and Edits - test
Thursday, August 28, 2003, 11:32:17 AM, MAU wrote: M> As you say, it is probably the easiest method. However, you M> must be aware that this method does change some of the M> original RFC-822 header lines. Good point. The solution is not perfect, but likely suffices in most situations. I "solve" (actually avoid) the problem by not adding the e-mail classification to my Subject: line. This was already suggested. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Filters, Spam and Edits - test
Thursday, August 28, 2003, 10:36:11 AM, PJ wrote: P> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, 9:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote P> re: editing an inbox message: PJ>>> If there is now a way to do so I would be thrilled to learn PJ>>> how! You can also: 1. Drag the message to your Outbox folder. 2. Open it (double click on it) 3. Edit subject 4. Save it (don't send it) 5. Move it back to original folder A bit cumbersome, but less so than exporting and importing. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic Backup ?
Tuesday, August 26, 2003, 10:48:13 PM, Roopesh wrote: R> I want to know if there is any way to get TB to autoback up in R> to an archive say every 10 days without user intervention ? R> Please explain how.. Since there hasn't been a response to this, let me point you to the TBUDL archives. About 3-4 weeks ago and 8 weeks ago there were discussions about backing up. I believe automating the backup was included in that.The thread subjects were: Backing up The Bat! Cost Effective TB Backup! Here's the archive link: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Keyboard shortcut for collapse/expand thread
Wednesday, August 27, 2003, 10:30:20 AM, Greg wrote: G> Hello Dave, >> Is there a way to expand all parts of a thread entirely? G> Cnrl+keypad+ Very cool! How could I have found that in the documentation? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Keyboard shortcut for collapse/expand thread
Wednesday, August 27, 2003, 7:03:37 AM, Stuart wrote: A>> the subject says it all I think... is there such a shortcut? S> Well ctrl-shift-left/right and ctrl-shift+/- do it for me (so to S> speak). Thanks! I've been looking for this. Is there a way to expand all parts of a thread entirely? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Filtering read messages to individual folders
Monday, August 25, 2003, 8:50:48 AM, Terry wrote: T> Put the filter as Roelof outlined in the "Read Messages" T> section of the Filters, select Manual instead of Active and on T> the Options tab, assign it a hot key. That should be all you T> need. Is it OK to assign more than one filter to the same hot key? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering read messages to individual folders
Monday, August 25, 2003, 8:28:38 AM, Roelof wrote: R> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:05:32 -0400GMT (25-8-03, 14:05 +0200, R> where I live), you wrote: DK>> I'd like it to work this way: X-Text-Classification: mvst DK>> move to folder"Swim Team" R> Go to the sorting office (Account - Sorting office) R> Create a new incoming filter R> Name the filter 'Swim team' (meaningful names are the best) R> String: 'X-Text-Classification: mvst' R> Location: 'Kludges' R> Presence: 'Yes' R> Move message to: 'Swim team' R> Make sure that 'Active' is checked and 'Manual only' is R> not, both are the defaults. R> As easy as that, can all be done from the first tab of the R> filter. This creates an incoming filter, as you state. What I'm looking for are manual filters that I can run after I've _read_ a message(s) and then press CTRL-ALT-M (for example) and have all filters associated with CTR-ALT-M fire and move the messages to the appropriate folder. Thanks for your help! -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering read messages to individual folders
tbudl, After I've read a set of messages, I'd like to be able to filter them to their own folders for posterity. All the messages have their own Kludges tag, thanks to POPFile, that I can filter on. I'd like it to work this way: X-Text-Classification: mvst move to folder"Swim Team" X-Text-Classification: tennismove to folder"Tennis" etc. I'm certain TB!'s filtering can do this and have played around some with varying results. One of which was to send my entire Inbox folder into never-never land - still don't know where those e-mail went! :) I would typically want to manually run these filters rather than do so automatically. Help on setting the filters up would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian Filters
Wednesday, August 20, 2003, 1:08:12 PM, Steve wrote: S> I've been playing around with beta 2 and noticed that there is S> now a panel for anti-spam plug-ins. Quick advice. Duck! You've posted this beta related question to the non-beta list. S> I know that it is possible to put together some pretty S> effective filters with TB but from using my BeOS Mail daemon S> I've been pretty impressed with what Bayesian filters can do S> and would love to try one out for TB. Check the TBUDL archives for POPFile. I and many others are very satisfied with it and TB! -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Outgoing e-mail and an external program
Thursday, August 7, 2003, 6:16:59 PM, Bill M. wrote: B> Right, the output filter is AFTER the mail is sent. With B> pre-outbox filtering (which I've requested along with B> pre-inbox filtering), you stuck invoking it manually with a B> hotkey activated filter. I had another thought about this. My case of wanting to launch a connection (ssh session) when an e-mail is sent could be handled if TB! would try connecting to the SMTP server more than once. Here's how it would work: 1. I have a program listening on localhost:25 (local SMTP) 2. A connection to that port causes the launch of the external program with that connection passed to it as stdin. Hmmm. As I wrote this, I realized this is the standard inetd program in Unix. No need for TB! to try multiple times. I'll have to see if Cygwin already has an inetd and give this a try! Otherwise, I can write a port specific version pretty easily. A! The joy of communication and the Internet!!! This list reminds me of the old Usenet days! (That would be before 1995 when the signal to noise ratio inverted.) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: importing addresses
Monday, August 11, 2003, 12:13:27 PM, Lex wrote: L> I've been trying to import addresses from outlook 2000, and L> I've read I should kick out the 'birthday' field, as because L> of it, I get an error when opening The Bat. Anyway, so I did L> it all again, made a comma seperated list in outlook and tried L> to import it into the bat. I don't get e-mailaddresses, L> although I've matched the fields. Tried a tab seperated file L> as well, same result. I've not imported from Outlook, but have exported from TB! and back into it successfully. I use the Address Book's comma separate format. My suggestion is to manually enter an address into TB! with all the information you would want imported. Then export that address into a comma separated file. Look at that format as compared to what you're getting when working with Outlook. I bet you'll be able to resolve the differences then and get the address imported. Items to look at - different field names between TB! and Outlook, strange values in a field, greatly different field sizes. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: missing common folders
Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 10:23:58 AM, Thomas wrote: T> Try the magic key combo: crtl-shift-alt-L. That's always the T> first in such situations, but unfortunately, it's T> undocumented. I've seen this recommended several times. What does it do behind the scenes? Recreate indexes? Is is safe to use even if you're not having problems? Is it good to use occasionally? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Addressbook question
Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 2:46:50 PM, Steve wrote: S> I have a contact named Bob and Bob has S> multiple Email addresses i.e. work, home, one linked to his S> cell phone, etc... Do I have to create multiple addressbook S> entries for Bob, or can I put these addresses within one S> entry? Multiple address book entries. Anyone know if Beta will improve this? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another Q on the Worm (Blaster)
On Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:38 PM, you wrote: P> I just tried running the "tool", but half way through it gives me an error P> message and quits, any idea why? I'm running Win2000. I got the tool from P> someone who listed it here, off sarc. I had the same thing happen on my Win2K box at work. I ran it at home a few minutes ago on my WinXP box and it ran fine. Bug? Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Outgoing e-mail and an external program
Thursday, August 7, 2003, 7:11:28 PM, Wolffe wrote: W> Or you could write a small script (perl?) that listens on a W> specific port. When a message (email) is received on that W> port, it is stored, the script forks a new process to open a W> SSH tunnel, the message gets piped through, the tunnel is W> closed and the forked process dies. You just need to set the W> SMTP (send) port of TheBat! to the port you are listening on. W> You could then set the script to run as a service. That's not a "small" script. It would have to handle the receiving part of the SMTP protocol when TB! sends the e-mail out. And when the script forwards the e-mail, it would have to handle the sending part of the SMTP protocol. Your suggestion sounds like all too much fun! :) Unfortunately, I'm not going to take the time to write a remailer. I looks like the answer is TB! can't do it without a feature enhancement or two. Bill McCarthy said in his post that he's requested pre-outbox filtering. That gets me part of the way there. I'd like to add an additional request for external programs: Requirement - Add the ability to specify how long TB! should wait for the external program to execute before sending the e-mail. [I know this is a timing hack, but it's simpler than trying to add prompt/response pair processing in conjunction with an external program. ] Where do I add this to the wish list? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Outgoing e-mail and an external program
I want to run an external program for e-mail just before they are sent. TB! appears to be trying to send the e-mail before the external program is run. How can I debug this? The log file doesn't provide any detail. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Using SSH with TB!
I want to tunnel my SMTP connection through SSH. I've successfully set this up, but want to modify it slightly. Rather than have a cygwin window open all the time with my SSH tunnel running, I'd like to launch the SSH connection only when I have an e-mail to send. How can I run an external command (launching SSH) each time when there is a message put in the Outbox? Other suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BLASTER WORM - was Re: can I change RE: into something else?
Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 1:05:28 PM, Spike wrote: S> The risk is MINIMAL as long as you have not altered the S> default settings in TB! This is under Options > Preferences S> > Warnings. As long as you don't EXECUTE any questionable S> attachment that comes through, you will probably be OK. I'm a little confused about by what you're saying. My reading of the MS bulletin says Blaster is a worm that propagates via the RPC ports. If you're on-line and nothing is blocking ports 135, 139, & 445 you can get infected even without e-mail. Does Blaster also propagate via e-mail? If so, then TB!'s warnings about executing attachments will make a difference. PS - Thank you to Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (neuroWerx) for his pointer to the Symantec Blaster scanner/removal tool. I'm running it now. Here's the link for others who might have missed that post: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.removal.tool.html H. The tool just crashed with a memory error after running for several minutes. Has anyone else run this? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BLASTER WORM - was Re: can I change RE: into something else?
Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 1:42:40 PM, Thomas wrote: T> OK. I'm running Win98, so I'm not vulnerable, right? (This is T> the first question.) Here is a "layman's" article about Blaster. http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/12/technology/msft_worm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes PS - My apologies for the OT continuance, as well. I hope that the urgency of this nasty worm is sufficient cause for dispensation from the TBUDL powers-that-be! :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: Re: BLASTER WORM - was Re: can I change RE: intosomething else?
Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 1:09:35 PM, Leif wrote: L> Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 11:05:22 AM, Mark wrote: MW>> It might be nice to add to your canned response a note about how MW>> to get on TBOT L> Good idea. Thanks. And the instructions are ? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Using SSH with TB!
Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 12:38:51 PM, Roberto wrote: R> Worked like a charm! Thought I'd also report that it worked R> with Plink (from the same people that make Putty), using the R> same command line options. Unfortunately I also need to keep a R> command window open with the connection, tried several options R> but looks like that's the way it works. Thanks for the plink suggestion. That works for me, also. I found the -pw option to include the password on the command line (not secure, I know). This allowed me to fire off a ssh connection without being prompted for anything. I tried putting this on an outgoing filter on items put in the Outbox by setting it as the external program to run in the Account!Filters!Actions tab. Here's what I hoped TB! would do: 1. See the message in the Outbox 2. Trigger my sshSend filter (and match the message) 3. Run the external program (plink to establish ssh) 4. Send the message There may be a timing issue between 3 & 4. It takes a second or so to establish the connection. I don't know how to tell TB! when the connection is up. When I press "Send the letter", TB! comes back immediately with "Could not connect to server" and the message remains in the Outbox. I right click on the folder and choose "Refilter messages..." & check "Outgoing mail" - a dos-like window appears for a couple of seconds and the message disappears from the Outbox. But, I don't know where the message went! It was a test message to myself and it never makes it to the server as far as I can tell. How can I tell what a filter did with a message? The log doesn't say much other than that a filter was run. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to Send w/o Confirmation Dialog Box
Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 10:46:38 AM, Joe wrote: JC>> 2. Is there a way to make the 'Edit Mail Message' window JC>> come up at a size that does not require horizontal JC>> scrolling? Again - it's a nuisance to have to resize the JC>> window to keep from scrolling. My version, 1.62r, remembers the size of the window from the last time I used it. Resize once, remember forever! :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Outgoing e-mail and an external program
Friday, August 8, 2003, 7:33:49 AM, I wrote: D> Here's how it would work: D> 1. I have a program listening on localhost:25 (local SMTP) D> 2. A connection to that port causes the launch of the external D>program with that connection passed to it as stdin. D> D> Hmmm. As I wrote this, I realized this is the standard inetd D> program in Unix. No need for TB! to try multiple times. I'll D> have to see if Cygwin already has an inetd and give this a D> try! Well, it didn't work. TB! connects to the port inetd is listening on fine and the ssh program looks to get launched. The problem appears to be that when inetd attaches the TB! connection to ssh it connects to ssh's stdin rather than the tunnel port. This is correct behavior on inetd's part. So, it might be time for custom code or, more likely, live with my current solution. Thanks for y'all's input! -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Outgoing e-mail and an external program
Thursday, August 7, 2003, 10:55:15 AM, Roelof wrote: R> That's because outgoing filters are executed after the message R> is sent. Nothing you can do about that. What if I wanted to "pre-process" an e-mail before it was sent? How would I do that? If the outgoing filters are always executed after the message is sent, I guess that approach is out for me. R> What do you want your external program to do? Maybe it's an R> option to run it first and then call TB from the commandline R> (via a batchfile)? The external program launches an SSH tunnelling session. See the thread "Using SSH with TB!" for details. I started this new thread to focus on how the external program stuff works. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Using SSH with TB!
Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 11:10:24 AM, Roberto wrote: R> That sounds cool! How did you get to the poing where you are R> at right now? Is there documentation on how to do this? Here's an overview for setting up TB! to tunnel SMTP via ssh. First, let me start with why someone might do this: 1. Security - all traffic between the mail host and the server will now be encrypted with strong encryption. Caveat - once it is on the server, it is no longer encrypted. Using SSH is not a replacement for PGP. 2. Firewall or other block - if a firewall will not allow traffic through port 25 (or other ports), but does allow ssh you can use ssh's port forwarding feature to tunnel the desired ports over the permitted ssh port. 3. Compression - ssh also supports compressing the traffic that goes over it. I'm not using this, but it may be of interest to someone on a dial-up or bandwidth limited connection. Here's how I got to where I am right now Base assumptions about my situation that might not be typical for others: 1. I have cygwin installed with the OpenSSH package included 2. My e-mail provider allows telnet/ssh access Both of the above are needed. #1 is easy to get www.cygwin.com. I doubt that #2 is in common use. Given the two items above: 0. Open a cygwin window 1. Confirm your ssh connection works: $ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] yourhost $ 2. Set up a tunnel session with your host: $ ssh -lyourname -L 25:localhost:25 yourhost.com 3. In TB!, change Account!Properties!Transport!SMTP Server to localhost (leave port at 25) Send an e-mail! Now, the remaining issues are: 1. I don't want to keep the ssh tunnel up all the time 2. Given 1, how can I have TB! launch ssh for the e-mails in the Outbox and then close it down when all are sent. 3. Setting up ssh to not ask for a password every time. (I think this can be handled by setting up the key authentication correctly, but that's not a TB! issue.) I hope others find this interesting and useful. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Can't delete?
Monday, July 21, 2003, 1:35:12 PM, Marck wrote: M> Very much so. Deleted or purged messages are only flagged "Do M> not show". They still exist and take up space in the mailbase. M> Only once you compress a folder is the space they take up M> released back to the system. What is the difference between "Purge" & "Compress?" I just chose Purge from the menu, and the dialog said it was compressing. I'm using 1.62r. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 7:01:34 PM, Thomas wrote: T> I have a question to those who have their own address in their T> AB: What is the reason? My reasons are pretty simple. I have many mail groups - tennis team, swim team board, basketball board, school parents, etc. (Hmmm. There's a theme there...) Reason 1: If I send a mail to one of these groups - say the basketball executive board, I want to get it as well since I save related messages in a separate folder. Reason 2: The e-mail addresses in these groups are shared to others. I don't want to have to remember to add myself to the list when I send it out to the others that want the e-mails in that group. I use the member of groups feature in the AB heavily. Right now, I have about 15 groups and include myself as a member of about 10 of them. Most of the ones that I don't are pretty much dead groups that I don't use any more and leave out there for posterity. (Computers are really awful for packrats!) Reason 3: Including myself in the group also makes it easy to confirm that I've included everyone. I.e. 8 kids on the basketball team, including my son, there should be 8 e-mail addresses in the list. If I've only got 7, I've forgotten a family. Again, YMMV. This has worked well for me for years. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote: B> I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and B> Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I B> missed any? I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and none have it in the Return-Path. So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:53:18 AM, Alexander wrote: A> 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A> What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message A> DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? A> You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. Thank you! I'm glad someone could translate my request into something simply stated. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 5:54:23 PM, Allie wrote: A> This thread has now been declared DEAD . as in DEAD A> HORSE!! I wasn't trying to get a POPFile/SpamPal battle going. What I'm trying to do is learn what the logic/algorithm is that TB! uses for the Known filter. If that could be answered, I'd appreciate it. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:13:58 PM, MAU wrote: M> Loose messages No matter what method, program, filter, M> whatever, you use to detect spam you should not delete or M> trash spam (initially flagged as spam) messages until you M> somehow review them. There are always false positives and M> false negatives. Maybe very few, but there are. Agreed. However, since July 10, 2003 I've received 473 e-mails classified as spam. I do review them before deleting them, but it's easy to lose one in the manual review effort. When you have an e-mail like mine that has been around on Usenet & the Internet since 1994 every spam list in the world has me on their list. So, reeling this back around to TB!, that is my reason for putting the Known filter first. M> Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some M> spam messages "leaking through" as you say in your original M> post. I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) There are spams that are being correctly identified as spam by POPFile, but TB!'s Known filter is putting them in my Known folder. If I knew what the logic/algorithm for the Known filter, I'd be better able to debug the issue. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:07:53 PM, WL wrote: W> Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:28:47 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote: DK>> I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to DK>> get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material DK>> in it. W> ...but that defeats the purpose of "training material." Within W> popfile, one can create "magnets" to force a classification, W> or just let popfile work its mathemagic and train the email W> detection. I use magnets lightly, but maintaining magnets is a hassle when I've already got those folks in my AB. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 3:09:00 PM, MAU wrote: M> Are you using any filter to sort messages classified as spam M> by POPFile? If so, this filter should be placed _before_ the M> Known filter. I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material in it. I don't want to lose those messages. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 12:52:27 PM, MikeD wrote: M> Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 8:49:16 AM, Dave K wrote: DK>> What is the logic for the "Inbox - Known" automatic DK>> filtering in conjunction with the address book? M> The problem is that enough spammers have figured this out and M> they are spoofing your address so that (assuming, presumably, M> that you list yourself in your address book ) it is not as M> clear as it was. I recently had to take my address out of my M> address book for that very reason I'm not sure that is the case. I remember the thread about this a couple of weeks ago. My situation seems different. I can look at the headers via F9 and see that the To: is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the From: is fairly random. A recent example is [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The iron.he.net is the actual SMTP server DNS name that my muscle.net domain uses. I have received many other spams that set the To: address to my e-mail, but TB! doesn't route those to Inbox-Known, hence my question about the algorithm/logic for the filtering for Inbox-Known. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
What is the logic for the "Inbox - Known" automatic filtering in conjunction with the address book? The related problem is some POPFile identified spam is leaking through, and I suspect that the Inbox-Known filtering is causing it to trigger. But, I'm not sure of the details of the Inbox-Known algorithm to debug this issue. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [bat] Re: Unexpected Behavior of "Known" Filter
On Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:54 PM, Bill wrote: BM> I don't like the Know filter at all and don't use it because of its BM> bugs on replying from Inbox-Known. What bugs? Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Detecting HTML Spam
Thursday, June 26, 2003, 11:39:49 AM, Mark wrote: M> There has been some talk about Popfile on this forum, so I M> thought I would comment. I have given up on Popfile after an M> unnaceptable number of crucial false positives, very slow M> system responses, and a lot of work to train. It's worked well for me. Far better than the hassle of sorting through the enormous number of spams I get. My e-mail has been around on the Internet for nearly 10 years. In that time, it's been added to every spam mailing list in existence! :( As spammers change tactics, I end up doing a bit of retraining every month or so when more spams start leaking through than I find acceptable. But, the "training" is pretty trivial and easy to do. I do, however, glance through e-mails categorized as spam before deleting them. Usually I sort by the "From" address to quickly see if the e-mails are familiar. Spammers usually have fairly obvious From addresses. M> Some of the statistics we hear (99.5% sorting efficiency) is M> distorted by the a priori probability (ie, 95% efficiency M> would be achieved by simply sorting mailing lists, and from M> known addresses, so 99.9% really represents 98% or so - M> meaning that a lot of the not-easily-sorted mail is lost. I classify into 8 buckets: Emails Classified Bucket Classification Count bat 2,099 (27.19%) etrade 47 (0.6%) list42 (0.54%) muscle 89 (1.15%) mvst 881 (11.41%) personal 674 (8.73%) spam 3,719 (48.18%) tennis 167 (2.16%) Overall accuracy: Emails classified: 7,719 Classification errors: 154 Accuracy: 98% Most of the errors happen between my swim team (mvst) category and tennis category, which is kind of tough since some of the same people are in both categories and the words between the two can be similar. This is probably officially off-topic at this point! :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Detecting HTML Spam
Thursday, June 26, 2003, 8:34:23 AM, Geoff wrote: G> A significant amount of spam is getting past my anti-spam G> service and the filters in TB Sorting Office. Try POPFile: http://popfile.sourceforge.net. From their home page: POPFile is an automatic mail classification tool. Once properly set up and trained, it will work in the background of your computer, scanning mail as it arrives and filing it however you wish. You can give it a simple job, like separating out junk e-mail, or a complicated one - like filing mail into a dozen folders. Think of it as a personal assistant for your inbox. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering for kids - POPFile & TB!
Thursday, June 19, 2003, 8:50:57 AM, I wrote: D> My kid has reached e-mail age, just this week, it seems! What D> I want is all e-mail to him to be allowed only if the sending D> address is in his address book. Any other mail should be D> routed to me. If it is a desired e-mail, I'll manually add D> that address to his AB and forward the e-mail to him. Here's the solution I'm now using. 1. POPFile categorizes e-mail as SPAM (or not) 2. I've switched my son's e-mail client to PocoMail 3. Poco filters e-mail in the address book to inbox 4. Poco filters e-mail marked spam and deletes it 5. The remaining e-mails go to a password protected folder named Unknown 6. I periodically review the Unknown e-mails and add sender to his address book as appropriate The main reason for the switch to PocoMail is to give him the ability to create simple HTML messages. Also, being able to password protect individual folders works well with this solution. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Support for creating HTML message?
As a long time TB! user and old (don't ask) Unix hacker, I'm reluctant to ask this question, but Is support for creating simple HTML messages coming down the pipe any time soon? My son wants to be able to create the color messages, big fonts, etc. that his friends are doing with OE. I don't want to use OE for all the obvious reasons, but I've started looking at other clients like PocoMail. How about Becky, Pegasus, and some of the others that I chose not to use some time ago when I selected TB!? Have any of those kept up with the challenge of keeping viri out and still allow message creation flexibility? Thanks, Dave Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering for kids - POPFile & TB!
My kid has reached e-mail age, just this week, it seems! What I want is all e-mail to him to be allowed only if the sending address is in his address book. Any other mail should be routed to me. If it is a desired e-mail, I'll manually add that address to his AB and forward the e-mail to him. Will this work? 1. Turn on Inbox-Known filtering. 2. Set a filter on Inbox to forward (redirect?) all e-mail to my address. Any ideas on other, probably better, ways to handle this? Other software would be OK, too. I mention POPFile since that is already in place on my system. What I effectively want is to have his account set up as "white-list" only. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie question on filtering Spam
Monday, June 9, 2003, 1:36:57 PM, Julio wrote: J> Are there any ready-made Bat macros for filtering out spam? I J> have just joined and haven't explored the options to search J> the archives, so bear with me, please. Your best bet is to search the archive for POPFile. http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Latest bugbear virus targets The Bat!, also
Friday, June 6, 2003, 12:50:15 PM, Julien wrote: J> Not necessarily. Reading at: J>http://www.secuser.com/alertes/2003/bugbearb.htm J> I saw: .TBB was referring to "Windows Office Toolbar Button". J> It seems that hackers don't dare attacking The Bat! :-) Possible, but I doubt that the toolbar has much in the way of e-mails in it. And since Eudora is included, it's not beyond reason to hope that TB! is also being targeted. :) PS - Thanks for making me dig into my high school French! :) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Latest bugbear virus targets The Bat!, also
Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:35:27 AM, neurowerx wrote: n> 06-Jun-2003 16:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Searches for the email addresses in the current Inbox, as >> well as in the files with the following extensions: >> Notice the inclusion of .tbb in the list. n> You still have to manually "install" the worm on your system. n> :-) Yes. My point, not very clearly made, is that TB! has apparently gotten enough "market-share" to be specifically targeted by virus writers. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Latest bugbear virus targets The Bat!, also
I was looking at the information about the [EMAIL PROTECTED] virus and saw the following on Symantec's site: Mass-mailing routine When the mass-mailing routine runs, it does the following: Searches for the email addresses in the current Inbox, as well as in the files with the following extensions: .mmf .nch .mbx .eml .tbb .dbx .ocs Notice the inclusion of .tbb in the list. Here's the URL for the details: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: *new* No body in message and incorrect date
Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:23:56 PM, Paul wrote: P> I'm trying to send out a newsletter directly from out mail P> server (not via The Bat), but when I send one to myself and P> receive it in The Bat I am getting a message that has no body P> to it and it has the date Sat, 30 Dec 1899 00:00:00. Using F9 to look at the source of your e-mail that you sent to the list, it has the following header in it: >>> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:23:56 +0100 That header is missing from your e-mail newsletter message. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
