Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roman,

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:38:47 -0500 GMT (04/03/2005, 10:38 +0700 GMT),
Roman Katzer wrote:

RK> Hey, we're talking about re-educating my sister here. Forget it ;)



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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Roman Katzer]

On Thursday, March 3, 2005, 11:11:34, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Yes, but to the list pertaining to the mailer the sender used:
>> X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 18. September 2003

> On a side remark, this message uses only plain text, so there is no
> need for HTML anyway, but that's of cause not the point and very OT.

Hey, we're talking about re-educating my sister here. Forget it ;)

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:21:26 + GMT (03/03/2005, 09:21 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> it really is a shortcoming of MicroEd, which cannot display UTF.
>> So it's not really a TB bug.

M> Is MicroEd not part of TB!?

Since it is integrated the answer must be: Yes. You are right, then.

>> For the user that is transparent, but I understand the
>> programmers too. For me it is an annoyance and not a bug, but
>> I'm not religious about the terminology. I too would like to
>> display UTF in the PTV.

M> Select Reply | View | Original Text and the original text window
M> uses the PTV. (Perhaps depending on your settings)

It uses the PTV, but it loses the UTF-encoding. TB's editor is not
capable of creating UTF-encoded messages. So MicroEd is used, but not
UTF. That's why it displays fine when replying.

It also means that MicroEd is able to translate from UTF into
supported encodings, and basically, this is all we ask for the Viewer
as well.

M> You might wish to support this one I submitted previously:-

M> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067

I added a bugnote.

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roman,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:26:32 +0700 GMT (02/03/2005, 23:26 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> Can you send me the message as MIME-attachment by PM? I want to play
TF> with the settings a bit.

I received it. It is a multipart message. The first part:

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

displays correctly in TB. It is shown when using the Text tab in my viewer.

The second part:

> Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

displays incorrectly, as in your screenshot. TB will show it when
clicking on the HTML tab.

RK>> Is this worth a bug report?

Yes, but to the list pertaining to the mailer the sender used:

> X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 18. September 2003

The reason is that TB uses the same module, namely the RTV, for
displaying either part, so I don't think TB can be the problem. So I
guess it's an incorrect translation into HTML that causes the problem.
I don't have a tool to show the Base64-encoded message parts in plain
text, otherwise I could pinpoint any wrong HTML umlaut encodings
further. But I think this is exactly what is happening.

On a side remark, this message uses only plain text, so there is no
need for HTML anyway, but that's of cause not the point and very OT.
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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 3 March 2005 at 1:56:17 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> it really is a shortcoming of MicroEd, which cannot display UTF.
> So it's not really a TB bug.

Is MicroEd not part of TB!?

> For the user that is transparent, but I understand the
> programmers too. For me it is an annoyance and not a bug, but
> I'm not religious about the terminology. I too would like to
> display UTF in the PTV.

Select Reply | View | Original Text and the original text window
uses the PTV. (Perhaps depending on your settings)

> If you hand in a bugreport, I'll support it if you post the full
> URL here.

You might wish to support this one I submitted previously:-

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:56:16 + GMT (03/03/2005, 04:56 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

M> From my point of view, switching to the rich text viewer to
M> display certain message - against my wishes and contrary to the
M> options I have set to view all messages as plain text - is a bug.

Fair point, but it really is a shortcoming of MicroEd, which cannot
display UTF. So it's not really a TB bug. For the user that is
transparent, but I understand the programmers too. For me it is an
annoyance and not a bug, but I'm not religious about the terminology.
I too would like to display UTF in the PTV. If you hand in a
bugreport, I'll support it if you post the full URL here.

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 2 March 2005 at 4:26:32 PM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:


> I always saw UTF-support in the PTV as a feature request,
> right-clicking and changing the encoding manually has always
> helped over here.

From my point of view, switching to the rich text viewer to
display certain message - against my wishes and contrary to the
options I have set to view all messages as plain text - is a bug.

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 2 March 2005 at 5:12:49 AM, in
, Roman Katzer wrote:


> Is this worth a bug report?

There are already several about UTF-8. Perhaps this is related to
one of them?

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roman,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:12:49 -0500 GMT (02/03/2005, 12:12 +0700 GMT),
Roman Katzer wrote:

RK> Thanks for the suggestion. I had tried and not mentioned that.
RK> It didn't help. As you suspected correctly, the encoding shown was "none",
RK> setting it to Auto made it choose Central European. Neither that nor
RK> Latin-9 worked.

Can you send me the message as MIME-attachment by PM? I want to play
with the settings a bit.

RK> Is this worth a bug report?

I'm not sure about that. I always saw UTF-support in the PTV as a
feature request, right-clicking and changing the encoding manually has
always helped over here.

Which font are you using in the RTV?

Which Windows version are you using?

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Jernej,

On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, at 08:47 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

JS> Look at the message headers first. Unless the charset is declared there,
JS> it's not a bug in TB, but a bug in whichever client generated that message.

I've noticed that The Bat can't display UTF-8 encoded HTML messages. Plain
text version of the same message is displayed OK. Just another bug of The
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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Jernej Simoncic]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 6:12:49, Roman Katzer wrote:

> Is this worth a bug report?

Look at the message headers first. Unless the charset is declared there,
it's not a bug in TB, but a bug in whichever client generated that message.

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Roman Katzer]

On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 21:11:30, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Richt-click in the message body and see which encoding is used. It
> probably shows "None". Change that to Central European (ISO or
> Windows) or to Latin-9. See whether that helps.

Thanks for the suggestion. I had tried and not mentioned that.
It didn't help. As you suspected correctly, the encoding shown was "none",
setting it to Auto made it choose Central European. Neither that nor
Latin-9 worked.

Is this worth a bug report?

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roman,

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:19:57 -0500 GMT (02/03/2005, 07:19 +0700 GMT),
Roman Katzer wrote:

RK> Here it is:
RK> http://home.comcast.net/~merlynzero/utf8bad.png

Richt-click in the message body and see which encoding is used. It
probably shows "None". Change that to Central European (ISO or
Windows) or to Latin-9. See whether that helps.

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Roman Katzer]

On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 17:13:20, Roman Katzer wrote:
> I'll try to attach a screenshot. It's about 3KB in size.

*grrmbl*
I thought attachments up to 25KB could be sent? Seems that the list
software filters everything out.

Here it is:
http://home.comcast.net/~merlynzero/utf8bad.png

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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Roman Katzer]

Hi Thomas,

On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 09:40:56, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
RK>> I got a mail encoded in UTF-8 and the "special" characters are
RK>> displayed wrongly.

> Check which font you have set under:
> Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor / HTML Viewer.
> It appears that the font there does not support the special characters
> you are missing.

It seems to have special characters, but the wrong ones are used.
I'll try to attach a screenshot. It's about 3KB in size.


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Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roman,

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:25:53 -0500 GMT (01/03/2005, 21:25 +0700 GMT),
Roman Katzer wrote:

RK> Is there no UTF-8 (Unicode) support in TB?

There is support but it is no good. What happens is that TB switches
from the PTV (plain-text viewer) to the RTV (rich-text viewer)
automatically to display a message that is UTF-encoded. One of my
favourite annoyances.

RK> I got a mail encoded in UTF-8 and the "special" characters are
RK> displayed wrongly.

Check which font you have set under:

Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor / HTML Viewer.

It appears that the font there does not support the special characters
you are missing.

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no UTF-8 support in TB?

[Roman Katzer]

Is there no UTF-8 (Unicode) support in TB?

I got a mail encoded in UTF-8 and the "special" characters are displayed 
wrongly.



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