Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Barbara H.

  very interesting!

I was just correcting the spelling of clonus

Thanks for the info and the web link

F



Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-01-31 Thread ROBERT COOK



I NO THAT ONE ONLY TO WELL !!!  I JUST LET THE SPAZ HIT ME IF OUT IN PUBLIC AND CANNOT TURN TO HIDE MY SCRATCHING.  IN THE SUMMER, IT IS WORSE
 

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In a message dated 1/31/2006 11:50:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I DO KNOW ONE MORE THING I EXPERIENCE, AND THAT IS IF I GET AN ITCH ON MY SKIN, IT WILL CAUSE A CLONUS-MYO- OR NOT, EXPECIALLY IF ON THE BOTTOM OF MY FOOT !!!
 
I get something like that, too -- in the bend between my leg and torso I'll get a little twitch that will a second or two later cause my leg to jerk a few times. If I rub the area just a little it will prevent it, but if I am out in public it is a little awkward to rub that area...
 
Barbara H.

 

Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-01-31 Thread JHarper33



In a message dated 1/31/2006 11:50:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I DO KNOW ONE MORE THING I 
  EXPERIENCE, AND THAT IS IF I GET AN ITCH ON MY SKIN, IT WILL CAUSE A 
  CLONUS-MYO- OR NOT, EXPECIALLY IF ON THE BOTTOM OF MY FOOT 
!!!
 
I get something like that, too -- in the bend between my leg and torso I'll 
get a little twitch that will a second or two later cause my leg to jerk a 
few times. If I rub the area just a little it will prevent it, but if I am out 
in public it is a little awkward to rub that area...
 
Barbara H.

 


Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-01-31 Thread ROBERT COOK



YOU BEAT ME TO IT, I FOUND THE SAME WEB SITE, BUT DID NOT FIND TONUS.  I THINK IT IS A DERIVATIVE OF TONE AS IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME BY MY PSYIATRIST WHO WAS A QUAD AND HE WAKED WITH THE AID OF HIS TONUS AND CANADIAN BRACES.  HE SAID WITHOUT HIS TONUS, HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO.  IT IS A CONTINUED AND LONG IN DURATION MUSCLE TIGHTENING.  WHATEVER IT IS AND WHATEVER CALLED, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SIT UP AND TRANSFER AS EASILY OR BEND OVER AND BACK.
 
I DO KNOW ONE MORE THING I EXPERIENCE, AND THAT IS IF I GET AN ITCH ON MY SKIN, IT WILL CAUSE A CLONUS-MYO- OR NOT, EXPECIALLY IF ON THE BOTTOM OF MY FOOT !!!
 
BOB FROM HOUSTON-SPRING, TEX
PARA @ T-1 CLASS OF 1994
 

 
 
 

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In a message dated 1/31/2006 9:57:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Clonus !!
 
I searched for that online and found a definition in http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/clonus.html which says:

 
"Clonus is repetitive, rhythmic contractions of a muscle when attempting to hold it in a stretched state. It is a strong, deep tendon reflex that occurs when the central nervous system fails to inhibit it. Clonus is not the same thing as myoclonus, which is irregular and uncontrollable jerks of a muscle or group of muscles. "
 
I looked up myoclonus as well, which is defined as:
 
"Myoclonus describes sudden and uncontrollable jerks of a muscle or a group of muscles. The word, "myoclonus", comes from "myo" meaning muscle and "clonus" meaning twitch. It can happen at rest (negative myoclonus) or with movement (positive myoclonus). Myoclonus can occur infrequently or every few seconds and can range in severity from a minor irritation to a disabling symptom that can make walking or other activities very difficult. 

Some myoclonic jerks are quite normal - hiccoughs (hippcups) and the twitches as you fall asleep are both examples of myoclonus. However, myoclonus is often associated with neurological or biochemical conditions including multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, stroke, spinal cord injury, kidney or liver failure and lipid storage disease. Other forms occur in the absence of any other disease. Myoclonus in one or both legs during the night is known as Noctural Myoclonus or Restless Leg Syndrome (RLS) and can also occur in the absence of any other disease. Myoclonic jerks are often seen during epileptic siezures. 
Although it can be caused by damage to peripheral nerves, most forms of myoclonus are caused by problems in the central nervous system. The precise mechanisms unlying it are not fully understood and it is possible that the different forms may have different causes. Some people speculate that it results from a chemical imbalance in neurotransmitters causing nerves to become over-excitable. Another theory is that nerve signals from the brain, that would normally suppress these primitive reflexes, may be prevented from getting through by nerve damage. 
Clonazepam, Piracetam, Sodium valproate, Phenytoin and Primidone and several other tranquilising or anti-epilepsy drugs are often used to treat myoclonus. "
Myoclonus sounds like what I am experiencing.
Also found an interesting web site at http://www.wemove.org/ -- a lot of info. on movement-related disorders.
Barbara H.
 
 

Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-01-31 Thread JHarper33



In a message dated 1/31/2006 9:57:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Clonus 
  !!
 
I searched for that online and found a definition in http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/clonus.html which 
says:

 
"Clonus is repetitive, rhythmic contractions of a muscle when attempting to 
hold it in a stretched state. It is a strong, deep tendon reflex that occurs 
when the central nervous 
system fails to inhibit it. Clonus is not the same thing as myoclonus, which is 
irregular and uncontrollable jerks of a muscle or group of muscles. "
 
I looked up myoclonus as well, which is defined as:
 
"Myoclonus describes sudden and uncontrollable jerks of a muscle or a group 
of muscles. The word, "myoclonus", comes from "myo" meaning muscle and "clonus" 
meaning twitch. It can happen at rest (negative myoclonus) or with movement 
(positive myoclonus). Myoclonus can occur infrequently or every few seconds and 
can range in severity from a minor irritation to a disabling symptom that can 
make walking or other activities very difficult. 

Some myoclonic jerks are quite normal - hiccoughs (hippcups) and the twitches 
as you fall asleep are both examples of myoclonus. However, myoclonus is often 
associated with neurological or biochemical conditions including multiple sclerosis, 
Parkinson's disease, stroke, spinal cord injury, kidney or liver failure and 
lipid storage disease. Other forms occur in the absence of any other disease. 
Myoclonus in one or both legs during the night is known as Noctural Myoclonus or 
Restless Leg Syndrome (RLS) and can also occur in the absence of any other 
disease. Myoclonic jerks are often seen during epileptic siezures. 
Although it can be caused by damage to peripheral 
nerves, most forms of myoclonus are caused by problems in the central nervous 
system. The precise mechanisms unlying it are not fully understood and it is 
possible that the different forms may have different causes. Some people 
speculate that it results from a chemical imbalance in neurotransmitters 
causing nerves to become over-excitable. Another theory is that nerve signals 
from the brain, that would normally suppress these primitive reflexes, may be 
prevented from getting through by nerve damage. 
Clonazepam, 
Piracetam, Sodium valproate, Phenytoin and Primidone and several other 
tranquilising or anti-epilepsy drugs are often used to treat myoclonus. "
Myoclonus sounds like what I am experiencing.
Also found an interesting web site at http://www.wemove.org/ -- a lot of info. 
on movement-related disorders.
Barbara H.
 
 


Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-01-31 Thread ROBERT COOK
MINE IS TONUS, NOT CLONUS, AND I USE IT TO MOVE MY BODY, , , , , NOT THAT I
DO NOT ALSO HAVE CLONUS = A JUMPING IN THE LEGS OR FEET AFTER SOME STIMULUS
= , BUT I WAS INFORMED THAT LONGER PERIODS OF DURATION OF CONTINUED
INVOLUNTARY-UNCONTROLLED OR INVOLUNTARILY INDUCED MUSCLE FLEXATION IS
TONUS.. . . . THAT WAS THE STUFF I WAS TOLD WAY BACK IN 1994

BUT, WHAT DO I KNOW, I AM USUALLY WRONG THESE DAYS SINCE I DON'T KEEP UP ON
THE STUFF, I JUST GOT TM AND GET ALONG WITH IT ANY WAY I CAN.

BOB
FROM HOUSTON - SPRING, TX

PARA @ T-1, CLASS OF 1994



> [Original Message]
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: jeff bernier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; tmic-list@eskimo.com

> Date: 1/31/2006 8:57:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION
>
> >MUSCULAR CLONES,
>
> Clonus !!
>
> cannabinoids work well to stop clonus and spasticity.
>
> f
>




Re: [TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-01-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>MUSCULAR CLONES,

Clonus !!

cannabinoids work well to stop clonus and spasticity.

f



[TMIC] RE:THE MUSCLE TREMORS QUESTION

2006-01-30 Thread jeff bernier
IVE HAD THAT PROBLEM SINCE A YEAR AFTER ONSET OF SYMPTOMS,I HATE TO DASH ANYONES HOPES,BUT THIS IS CALLED MUSCULAR CLONES,SORRY IF THE SPELLING IS A LITTLE OFF,IT USUALLY FOLLOWS SPASMS.THEY ARE AN INDICATION OF NERVE DAMAGE AND NOT IMPROVEMENT. I TAKE 2MG OF CLONOPIN IN THE AM AND 2 AT NIGHT,THIS USUALLY STOPS IT ALONG WITH STRETCHING.I WAS TOLD THIS BY SEVERAL THERAPIST AS WELL AS DOCS.THE NERVE IMPULSES ARE TRYING TO GO TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE ,BUT ARE GOING ELSEWHERE,THUS SPASTISITY.  IN SIMPLE TERMS MINI SPASMS.I FIND THEM ANOYING AT TIMES,BUT HAVE LEARNED TO PUT UP WITH IT.  IF THIS IS THE SAME THING YOUR EXPERIENCING.JUST A POSSIBILITY. 
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