Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Barbara Alma]

Janice,
 
Just reading about all that you are doing is making me tired.  
 
Hugs, Barbara A in Auburn CA



-Original Message-
From: Janice Nichols 
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com; Akua 
Sent: Sun, Sep 5, 2010 5:34 am
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


I find that getting up around 7:30am, having my coffee and watching the Today 
show for about an hour and then having a fairly 
busy morning, fixing lunch for hubby and I, resting for a few hours, fixing 
dinner for us and a quiet evening then bed at 10:30pm, 
read for about an hour before sleep pretty well does it for me. Of course, my 
days get changed some by going to lunch with 
2 different groups of friends and another group I go to movies with. Then, my 
hubby will decide I need to get out of the house 
and we go ride around for a while - after stopping for a "blizzard" from DQ - 
and check out new areas of town. I must say, I really am "busy" in the mornings 
with cleaning, ironing, PT exercises, laundry, etc. That pretty well does it 
for me. I know I am fortunate to 
be able to walk with a cane and be fairly independent inside of the house. 
Outside of the house, I use a wheelchair. 
Janice 
 
 
-- 
From: "Akua"  
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:46 PM 
To:  
Subject: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle 
 
> If I can stay asleep until 11:30 am and not get up until 1, I am up until > 4 
> am asleep by 5a.m. -- 
> a 17 hour day -- and feel rested. 
> 
> If I have to be up at 8a.m. and dressed by 10 a.m. (I'm paralyzed, it > takes 
> time) I am exhausted by 4 p.m. in bed by 10 p.m. and unable to > fall asleep 
> until 2 am and exhausted when i have to wake up 
> at 8 am -- a 12 hour day 
> 
> This may be apropos of nada, but I wonder if others find that > 
> recasting/reshaping their sleep/wake 
> cycles, grants more energy, buys more time. 
> -- > 
>  

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Dalton Garis]

It happened years ago and I learned my lesson with the melatonin.  I mean,
it really works, especially for older persons who have lost this
sleep-regulator.  But if, like me, you take meds for depression, then you
should stay away from it.

D.





From: L T CHERPESKI 
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:37:37 -0600
To: Dalton Garis , Akua ,

Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle
Resent-From: 
Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 13:37:21 -0700

Dalton - I'm sorry this happened to you.  Do you know others who have had
the same reaction?  I have not had any reaction and my pharmacist didn't
mention it - I didn't see it mentioned when I googled Melatonin either.
It's good to know that like any other "med" it can affect all of us
differently.  Thanks for the heads up
 
Linda
 
 
>  
> - Original Message -
>  
> From: Dalton  Garis <mailto:malugss...@gmail.com>
>  
> To: Akua <mailto:a...@artfarm.com>  ; tmic-list@eskimo.com
>  
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 2:54  AM
>  
> Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle
>  
> 
> Warning to all;
> 
> Melatonin will absolutely aggravate  depression and will wash out anti
> depression medications. You will not notice  it at first but in about a week
> you will have backed into a cave looking out.
> 
> Dalton
> ------Original Message--
> From: Akua
> To: tmic-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re:  [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle
> Sent: Sep 5, 2010 5:32 AM
> 
> O Linda!
> Glad  you've found a solution!
> I'm adding melatonin to my list to  investigate.
> Thanks for sharing that!
> 
> And don't worry worry is a  waste of energy. Deep breathe,
> envision all the fun you will
> have in  learning more, hearing more and being in the presence of
> those who  understand!
> I so wish i could sit in such caring company! I look forward to
> hearing about the new insights
> and new  developments.
> 
> Akua
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Dalton Garis
> Abu  Dhabi
> +971-050-668-5760
> 

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[L T CHERPESKI]

Dalton - I'm sorry this happened to you.  Do you know others who have had the 
same reaction?  I have not had any reaction and my pharmacist didn't mention it 
- I didn't see it mentioned when I googled Melatonin either.  It's good to know 
that like any other "med" it can affect all of us differently.  Thanks for the 
heads up

Linda


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dalton Garis<mailto:malugss...@gmail.com> 
  To: Akua<mailto:a...@artfarm.com> ; 
tmic-list@eskimo.com<mailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 2:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


  Warning to all;

  Melatonin will absolutely aggravate depression and will wash out anti 
depression medications. You will not notice it at first but in about a week you 
will have backed into a cave looking out. 

  Dalton
  --Original Message--
  From: Akua
  To: tmic-list@eskimo.com<mailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com>
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle
  Sent: Sep 5, 2010 5:32 AM

  O Linda!
  Glad you've found a solution!
  I'm adding melatonin to my list to investigate.
  Thanks for sharing that!

  And don't worry worry is a waste of energy. Deep breathe, 
  envision all the fun you will
  have in learning more, hearing more and being in the presence of 
  those who understand!
  I so wish i could sit in such caring company! I look forward to 
  hearing about the new insights
  and new developments.

  Akua


  -- 



  Dalton Garis
  Abu Dhabi
  +971-050-668-5760

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Janice Nichols]

Ditto!   Janice

From: Jan Hargrove 
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 9:59 AM
To: L T CHERPESKI ; tmic-list@eskimo.com ; Akua 
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


Linda,

Look at the program and then pick 'n choose what you're most interested 
in...go to as many of those as you feel able to...then
take a break/rest between your chosen subjects. Don't allow
yourself to get too worn ot!!

Enjoy!!

janh  Stillwater, OK





From: L T CHERPESKI 
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com; Akua 
Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 6:11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


Yep, Akua, can totally relate to everything you said.  Since TM, I have had 
such trouble with my sleep, or lack thereof, that I find myself crying at the 
drop of a hat - Sleeping pills don't work for me.  However, many people have 
told me about their positive experience with Melatonin.  Out of sheer 
desperation,  I talked to my pharmacist about it.  He reviewed my meds and told 
me it would be ok to take.  After 3 days I actually slept 9 hours, then 8 hours 
and it's been pretty consistent since.  The most I was sleeping before was 3 or 
4 hours, wake up and not get back to sleep for another 2 hours and only for an 
hour if I was lucky - and then it wasn't even a restful sleep.  I have to take 
a nap every day.  Basically no quality of life because I was so so tired all 
the time from not sleeping.  
I'm all set to go to the Symposium in Dallas and I am already worried about the 
long air travel, the long days at the Symposium itself and how in the world I 
will be able to handle all of it.

Linda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Akua 
  To: tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 1:46 PM
  Subject: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


  If I can stay asleep until 11:30 am  and not get up until 1, I am up 
  until 4 am asleep by 5a.m. --
  a 17 hour day --  and feel rested.

  If I have to be up at 8a.m. and dressed by 10 a.m. (I'm paralyzed, it 
  takes time)  I am exhausted  by 4 p.m.  in bed by 10 p.m. and unable 
  to fall asleep until 2 am and exhausted when i  have to wake up
  at 8 am -- a 12 hour day

  This may be apropos of nada, but  I wonder if others find that 
  recasting/reshaping their sleep/wake
  cycles, grants more energy, buys more time.
  -- 

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Jan Hargrove]

Linda,

Look at the program and then pick 'n choose what you're most interested 
in...go to as many of those as you feel able to...then
take a break/rest between your chosen subjects. Don't allow
yourself to get too worn ot!!

Enjoy!!

janh  Stillwater, OK





From: L T CHERPESKI 
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com; Akua 
Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 6:11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


Yep, Akua, can totally relate to everything you said.  Since TM, I have had 
such 
trouble with my sleep, or lack thereof, that I find myself crying at the drop 
of 
a hat - Sleeping pills don't work for me.  However, many people have told me 
about their positive experience with Melatonin.  Out of sheer desperation,  I 
talked to my pharmacist about it.  He reviewed my meds and told me it would be 
ok to take.  After 3 days I actually slept 9 hours, then 8 hours and it's been 
pretty consistent since.  The most I was sleeping before was 3 or 4 hours, wake 
up and not get back to sleep for another 2 hours and only for an hour if I was 
lucky - and then it wasn't even a restful sleep.  I have to take a nap every 
day.  Basically no quality of life because I was so so tired all the time from 
not sleeping.  
I'm all set to go to the Symposium in Dallas and I am already worried about the 
long air travel, the long days at the Symposium itself and how in the world I 
will be able to handle all of it.

Linda
- Original Message - 
>From: Akua 
>To: tmic-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 1:46 PM
>Subject: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle
>
>If I can stay asleep until 11:30 am  and not get up until 1, I am up 
>until 4 am asleep by 5a.m. --
>a 17 hour day --  and feel rested.
>
>If I have to be up at 8a.m. and dressed by 10 a.m. (I'm paralyzed, it 
>takes time)  I am exhausted  by 4 p.m.  in bed by 10 p.m. and unable 
>to fall asleep until 2 am and exhausted when i  have to wake up
>at 8 am -- a 12 hour day
>
>This may be apropos of nada, but  I wonder if others find that 
>recasting/reshaping their sleep/wake
>cycles, grants more energy, buys more time.
>-- 
>
>

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Alton Ryder]

I take Melatonin faithfully each evening and suspect it has no effect, but I 
have a wife.

I must take zolpidem (Ambien) to sleep, but each pill or fraction thereof is 
good for sixty to ninety minutes, at the very most 1600.   So each pill is 
quartered, and I set off for a night of pill, doze, awake, pill doze awake etc 
until morning. (Thank God I'm retired.)

Alton

On Sep 4, 2010, at 6:11 PM, L T CHERPESKI wrote:

> Yep, Akua, can totally relate to everything you said.  Since TM, I have had 
> such trouble with my sleep, or lack thereof, that I find myself crying at the 
> drop of a hat - Sleeping pills don't work for me.  However, many people have 
> told me about their positive experience with Melatonin.  Out of sheer 
> desperation,  I talked to my pharmacist about it.  He reviewed my meds and 
> told me it would be ok to take.  After 3 days I actually slept 9 hours, then 
> 8 hours and it's been pretty consistent since.  The most I was sleeping 
> before was 3 or 4 hours, wake up and not get back to sleep for another 2 
> hours and only for an hour if I was lucky - and then it wasn't even a restful 
> sleep.  I have to take a nap every day.  Basically no quality of life because 
> I was so so tired all the time from not sleeping.  
> I'm all set to go to the Symposium in Dallas and I am already worried about 
> the long air travel, the long days at the Symposium itself and how in the 
> world I will be able to handle all of it.
>  
> Linda

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Janice Nichols]

Good to know.
Janice

--
From: "Dalton Garis" 
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 3:54 AM
To: "Akua" ; 
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


Warning to all;

Melatonin will absolutely aggravate depression and will wash out anti 
depression medications. You will not notice it at first but in about a 
week you will have backed into a cave looking out.


Dalton
--Original Message--
From: Akua
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle
Sent: Sep 5, 2010 5:32 AM

O Linda!
Glad you've found a solution!
I'm adding melatonin to my list to investigate.
Thanks for sharing that!

And don't worry worry is a waste of energy. Deep breathe,
envision all the fun you will
have in learning more, hearing more and being in the presence of
those who understand!
I so wish i could sit in such caring company! I look forward to
hearing about the new insights
and new developments.

Akua


--



Dalton Garis
Abu Dhabi
+971-050-668-5760

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Janice Nichols]

With baclofen, I have very little problem with sleep or leg spasms. But, 
what is melatonin?
Janice



From: L T CHERPESKI 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 6:11 PM
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com ; Akua 
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


Yep, Akua, can totally relate to everything you said.  Since TM, I have had 
such trouble with my sleep, or lack thereof, that I find myself crying at the 
drop of a hat - Sleeping pills don't work for me.  However, many people have 
told me about their positive experience with Melatonin.  Out of sheer 
desperation,  I talked to my pharmacist about it.  He reviewed my meds and told 
me it would be ok to take.  After 3 days I actually slept 9 hours, then 8 hours 
and it's been pretty consistent since.  The most I was sleeping before was 3 or 
4 hours, wake up and not get back to sleep for another 2 hours and only for an 
hour if I was lucky - and then it wasn't even a restful sleep.  I have to take 
a nap every day.  Basically no quality of life because I was so so tired all 
the time from not sleeping.  
I'm all set to go to the Symposium in Dallas and I am already worried about the 
long air travel, the long days at the Symposium itself and how in the world I 
will be able to handle all of it.

Linda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Akua 
  To: tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 1:46 PM
  Subject: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


  If I can stay asleep until 11:30 am  and not get up until 1, I am up 
  until 4 am asleep by 5a.m. --
  a 17 hour day --  and feel rested.

  If I have to be up at 8a.m. and dressed by 10 a.m. (I'm paralyzed, it 
  takes time)  I am exhausted  by 4 p.m.  in bed by 10 p.m. and unable 
  to fall asleep until 2 am and exhausted when i  have to wake up
  at 8 am -- a 12 hour day

  This may be apropos of nada, but  I wonder if others find that 
  recasting/reshaping their sleep/wake
  cycles, grants more energy, buys more time.
  -- 

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Janice Nichols]

I find that getting up around 7:30am, having my coffee and watching the 
Today show for about an hour and then having a fairly
busy morning, fixing lunch for hubby and I, resting for a few hours, fixing 
dinner for us and a quiet evening then bed at 10:30pm,
read for about an hour before sleep pretty well does it for me. Of 
course, my days get changed some by going to lunch with
2 different groups of friends and another group I go to movies with. 
Then, my hubby will decide I need to get out of the house
and we go ride around for a while - after stopping for a "blizzard" from 
DQ - and check out new areas of town.I must say, I really am "busy" in 
the mornings with cleaning, ironing, PT exercises, laundry, etc. That 
pretty well does it for me.  I know  I am fortunate to
be able to walk with a cane and be fairly independent inside of the house. 
Outside of the house, I use a wheelchair.

Janice




--
From: "Akua" 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:46 PM
To: 
Subject: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

If I can stay asleep until 11:30 am  and not get up until 1, I am up until 
4 am asleep by 5a.m. --

a 17 hour day --  and feel rested.

If I have to be up at 8a.m. and dressed by 10 a.m. (I'm paralyzed, it 
takes time)  I am exhausted  by 4 p.m.  in bed by 10 p.m. and unable to 
fall asleep until 2 am and exhausted when i  have to wake up

at 8 am -- a 12 hour day

This may be apropos of nada, but  I wonder if others find that 
recasting/reshaping their sleep/wake

cycles, grants more energy, buys more time.
--

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Dalton Garis]

Warning to all;

Melatonin will absolutely aggravate depression and will wash out anti 
depression medications. You will not notice it at first but in about a week you 
will have backed into a cave looking out. 

Dalton
--Original Message--
From: Akua
To: tmic-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle
Sent: Sep 5, 2010 5:32 AM

O Linda!
Glad you've found a solution!
I'm adding melatonin to my list to investigate.
Thanks for sharing that!

And don't worry worry is a waste of energy. Deep breathe, 
envision all the fun you will
have in learning more, hearing more and being in the presence of 
those who understand!
I so wish i could sit in such caring company! I look forward to 
hearing about the new insights
and new developments.

Akua


-- 



Dalton Garis
Abu Dhabi
+971-050-668-5760

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[L T CHERPESKI]

I hope this information might help others who are having sleep disturbances.  
If anybody has or is taking Melatonin maybe you could give us your input.  

Yes, I'm very excited to be in the presence of those who understand.  Will be 
learning and having fun at the same time.  Sounds pretty good to me.

- Original Message - 
  From: Akua<mailto:a...@artfarm.com> 
  To: tmic-list@eskimo.com<mailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


  O Linda!
  Glad you've found a solution!
  I'm adding melatonin to my list to investigate.
  Thanks for sharing that!

  And don't worry worry is a waste of energy. Deep breathe, 
  envision all the fun you will
  have in learning more, hearing more and being in the presence of 
  those who understand!
  I so wish i could sit in such caring company! I look forward to 
  hearing about the new insights
  and new developments.

  Akua


  -- 

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[Akua]

O Linda!
Glad you've found a solution!
I'm adding melatonin to my list to investigate.
Thanks for sharing that!

And don't worry worry is a waste of energy. Deep breathe, 
envision all the fun you will
have in learning more, hearing more and being in the presence of 
those who understand!
I so wish i could sit in such caring company! I look forward to 
hearing about the new insights

and new developments.

Akua


--

Re: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle

[L T CHERPESKI]

Yep, Akua, can totally relate to everything you said.  Since TM, I have had 
such trouble with my sleep, or lack thereof, that I find myself crying at the 
drop of a hat - Sleeping pills don't work for me.  However, many people have 
told me about their positive experience with Melatonin.  Out of sheer 
desperation,  I talked to my pharmacist about it.  He reviewed my meds and told 
me it would be ok to take.  After 3 days I actually slept 9 hours, then 8 hours 
and it's been pretty consistent since.  The most I was sleeping before was 3 or 
4 hours, wake up and not get back to sleep for another 2 hours and only for an 
hour if I was lucky - and then it wasn't even a restful sleep.  I have to take 
a nap every day.  Basically no quality of life because I was so so tired all 
the time from not sleeping.  
I'm all set to go to the Symposium in Dallas and I am already worried about the 
long air travel, the long days at the Symposium itself and how in the world I 
will be able to handle all of it.

Linda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Akua 
  To: tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 1:46 PM
  Subject: [TMIC] Fatigue/Cycle


  If I can stay asleep until 11:30 am  and not get up until 1, I am up 
  until 4 am asleep by 5a.m. --
  a 17 hour day --  and feel rested.

  If I have to be up at 8a.m. and dressed by 10 a.m. (I'm paralyzed, it 
  takes time)  I am exhausted  by 4 p.m.  in bed by 10 p.m. and unable 
  to fall asleep until 2 am and exhausted when i  have to wake up
  at 8 am -- a 12 hour day

  This may be apropos of nada, but  I wonder if others find that 
  recasting/reshaping their sleep/wake
  cycles, grants more energy, buys more time.
  --