Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Hey Bruce: If you are wasting your time with "idiots", why are you posting? By the way, I find it hard to believe you spend 4-8 hours every week defending yourself -- actually, maybe it's not so hard to believe. -- JeffG JeffG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16307 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;532596 Wrote: > > Am I missing something here? Yes... you're missing something... and I'm trying to defend myself again and wasting time... The digital output for both the Playback Designs MPS-5 and the EMM Labs CDSD-SE... of which we both use, is a direct DSD data stream from the ST-optical output. Unfortunately the reference you linked to doesn't mention it. Regards, _ Puget Sound Studios Seattle, WA -- Bruce B Bruce B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37429 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
I received my package at work mid Friday afternoon. It had originally been scheduled for Monday delivery but showed up today. Not a bad conclusion to the affair. Setup took about 10 minutes for the various entries and firmware update. I'd already upgraded to SBS version 7.5 so the server was ready to go. Everything is working perfectly. I've just finished syncing and volume matching the SB3/Lavry and the Touch (analog out) to do some serious comparison. Right out of the box things are very close. I plan to do some close listening over the weekend and will see if the initial impression holds up. However, the good news is that Logitech upheld their end of the bargin for the people who preordered directly from Logitech. I'll still scratch my head for quite some time to come over the communication issues, but at least that episode is now in the past. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Bruce B;532576 Wrote: > we take a direct DSD data stream from a Playback Designs MPS-5 into > either a Sonoma workstation or a Pyramix workstation. Actually, this seems to suggest that rather than the analog output of the transport, the digital output is being used (which per the specs of the transport is 16bits / 44.1kHz) Am I missing something here? -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
The issue is not what Bruce does, the issue is how Bruce's product is marketed by HDTracks. Here are the specs for the Playback Designs MPS-5 (which is the transport for the SACD): Digital outputs: XLR: AES/EBU formatted for stereo linear PCM data. If playing from disc the data on this output will be 16bits / 44.1kHz. http://www.playbackdesigns.com/mps5.html If you use the digital outputs of the transport, you start with 44.1 and end up with 88.2, thats upsampling. Now this transport also has analog outputs too. Is Bruce using the analog output of the transport for the SACD? The original master was converted to SACD, then converted again to DAC (digital to analog converter), then you have analog, then converted again to the ADC (analog to digital converter) of the computer audio workstation to get digital again. Then the SRC (sample rate conversion) is done in SARACON (software) (to convert again). I count four conversions of the original master. The HDTracks website states generally that *Native Formats PCM conversion chart 192/24=96/24 176/24= 88/24 SACD=88/24 Analog masters=88/24 https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=staticpage&pagename=audiophile_96khz But for example, the San Francisco symphony albums just say 88/24. There are three possible sources per HDTracks. You are left to guess as to the source material. Since we now independently know that the San Francisco albums were previously SACD, the conversion chart implies a direct digital to digital conversion to 88/24. But now we know that is not what happened. It was digital to analog to digital. (Assuming the transports analog outputs were used). We can debate all day as to the resulting quality. Is the quality as good as material originally recorded at 88/24? Again, my point is the same: Consumers have a right to know exactly what they are buying so that they can make an informed buying decision. By the way, resorting to ad hominems (idiots) is a defense mechanism. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
Logitech URL is not working for buying the touch and there is no stock. -- margava margava's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37433 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
I haven't found any. Please contribute US sites or stores indicating Touch is available NOW. -- p-cubed p-cubed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Apple Lossless limitations?
Hi everyone, I have two quick questions about the touch: When playing off a local USB drive, is seeking in ALAC files possible? When playing ALAC files off a local USB drive, do gapless tracks play as they should? Thanks! Eric -- demicco demicco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77095 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBS version and Touch
Welcome to the forums. As per the Touch announcement (http://forums.slimdevices.com/announcement.php?f=34) at the top of the forum, if you want to use an SB Touch running SBS off your NAS, then yes, you do need to upgrade to 7.5.0. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77076 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;532566 Wrote: > > So which machine does the conversion? > How is the conversion done? > What is the workflow? > Is there upsampling or not? > > Bruce has acknowledged on other forums that he does upsampling. > No machine does the conversion... Weiss SARACON does the DSD conversion to 88.2 The first few months we were doing the transfers, we were using a modified (by Andreas Koch) EMM Labs ADC8 IV to do the digital conversion to 88.2 Yes it does 88.2 using the 2fs switch. We have never upsampled any transfers, period. Now we take a direct DSD data stream from a Playback Designs MPS-5 into either a Sonoma workstation or a Pyramix workstation. Then we SRC using SARACON. End of story. I don't know why we have to defend ourselves from these idiots! Regards, _ Puget Sound Studios Seattle, WA -- Bruce B Bruce B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37429 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Since Bruce has now decided to participate, why doesn't he explain the conversion process himself, since he is the one who does it. As HDTracks has represented in post #73: "EMM Labs CDSD-SE Transport => via DSD ST-optical => EMM Labs ADC8 MkIV => via PCM 24/96 AES/EBU => Pyramix DSD/DXD Workstation => Digital Audio Denmark AX24 for playback monitoring via MADI." And as HDTracks has represented today: "The EMM Labs converter does not do the digital conversion, all it does is convert ST-optical data to SPIDF-3 data." Seems like HDTracks has contradicted itself: previously it said that the EMM machine converted to PCM 24/96 but then told us today that the EMM machine doesn't do the conversion at all. So which machine does the conversion? How is the conversion done? What is the workflow? Is there upsampling or not? Bruce has acknowledged on other forums that he does upsampling. Again, there is nothing wrong in and of itself with upsampling. The issue is whether HDTracks has made a full disclosure of the source material fidelity (bit and sample rate) and the conversion process. Remember, we're starting with an SACD. We know that from representatives of both the Chicago and San Francisco orchestras. So tell us Bruce, exactly what do you do with that SACD to get it into the PCM format that is sold by HDTracks. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
johnas;532552 Wrote: > I am not sure, I don't know anything about the technology. Maybe > Mortslim can comment on the information HD Tracks sent me - they seem > to refute what he is saying but I will leave him to comment. I'd like to hear his comment as well! Regards, Bruce _ Puget Sound Studios Seattle, WA -- Bruce B Bruce B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37429 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Funky new applications for the Touch
Traditionally third party "applications" were implemented as a plugin for the server and ran on the machine the server was running on. These are written in perl (the language the server is written in) The new generation devices (controller, radio and touch) add a new form called an applet that is written in a language called LUA which runs on the device itself. There is a fair amount of stuff you can do in LUA. At this point we haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg as far applets go. We need to wait for more people to get Touchs in their hands and start playing with applets. There IS a third possibility, a native linux app running on the Touch. Both plugins and applets are written in interpreted languages.(I know, some plugins run native programs) A native program is compiled down to the native machine code of the processor, this can produce much faster programs. This is probably the best bet for any serious number crunching on the Touch. As long as SBS is not running on the Touch there should be resources for some fairly serious native programs to run. At the moment there is no official loader for such programs, you have to SSH in and SCP the program over and provide a way to start it etc. Besides stuff traditionally done by plugins, a native program can use standard Linux methods for accessing hardware on the Touch such as the USB port which opens up a whole new world of possible uses for the Touch. Some of this stuff is bound to happen over time, but its going to take a while before there is much ground breaking new functionality. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I am not sure, I don't know anything about the technology. Maybe Mortslim can comment on the information HD Tracks sent me - they seem to refute what he is saying but I will leave him to comment. -- johnas johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Thanks for contacting them and posting their reply johnas. So I guess all this talk about switches and things was irrelevant? -- cwp97 cwp97's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37412 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
>From HD Tracks > > Thank you for waiting. We have gotten in touch with Bruce and we have > > clarified what is going on with these conversions. > > Firstly, the EMM Labs converter can convert DSD to PCM at either 44.1 > or > 88.2. There is a switch on the front for 1fs or 2fs for this. However > > this is irrelevant since he directly captures the DSD data stream via > the SPIDF-3 output. The EMM Labs converter does not do the digital > conversion, all it does is convert ST-optical data to SPIDF-3 data. > > Also note that Bruce does not know or has spoken to the this Mortslim > on > the forum who is making these claims. > > In fact, anyone can check for themselves by downloading the files and > then looking at the waveforms on your computer. You will see that > there > is audio content above 22kHz. > > We hope this answers your question. Please let us know if we can be of > > any further assistance. > > Sincerely, > The HDtracks Team -- johnas johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
Just now, the touch is not even showing on Amazon.com. -- pski real stereo doesn't wake neighbors (it enrages them) . pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How good is the DAC in the touch ?
sturmhardt;532474 Wrote: > geithain rl901Cool speakers. -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76663 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
JJZolx;532453 Wrote: > Many users _will_ run into this situation. But Logitech should have > thought of that during the time that the Touch was in development. It > will make sense to few people that a bus-powered USB drive that works > when attached to virtually any computer or laptop fails to work with > the Touch. > > But I also think we're getting ahead of ourselves. Many drives will > work and I think most people are willing to find one that does. Nobody > wants to run a powered USB hub just to hang a drive from the Touch. I hope people take the time to find one too. A powered USB hub is not the optimal solution. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter > Classé Audio DR6 > Mark Levinson 23 > Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1/Martin Logan Dynamo 700 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
But that only 44.1kHz is allowed for DSD outputs and inputs applies to the base frequency. As far as I can tell, isn't that different from the actual sampling rate? Looking at the manual: 1FS / 2FS: Selects the sample rate for PCM data. FS is the base frequency (see 44.1 / 48 switch). 2FS position will mute outputs when the oversampling ratio is set to 128. 44.1 / 48: Selects the base frequency (only 44.1kHz is allowed for DSD outputs and inputs). Now, I don't own this thing nor have I ever used it but it seems like the 1FS/2FS switch is the actual thing that sets the sample rate. So if you select 44.1 as the base frequency and then set it to 2FS for the sample rate, that would give you 88.2 as the sampling rate, wouldn't it? Am I understanding this wrong? -- cwp97 cwp97's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37412 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
JJZolx;532453 Wrote: > Many users _will_ run into this situation. But Logitech should have > thought of that during the time that the Touch was in development. It > will make sense to few people that a bus-powered USB drive that works > when attached to virtually any computer or laptop fails to work with > the Touch. > > But I also think we're getting ahead of ourselves. Many drives will > work and I think most people are willing to find one that does. Nobody > wants to run a powered USB hub just to hang a drive from the Touch. I hope people take the time to find one too. A powered USB hub is not the optimal solution. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter > Classé Audio DR6 > Mark Levinson 23 > Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1/Martin Logan Dynamo 700 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;532458 Wrote: > HDTracks now says: "we have taken the San Francisco Symphony albums off > of our site while we investigate." > > I have also spoken to Mark Waldrep, owner of a competing company, > Itrax.com. > Mark says he has spoken to David Chesky, owner of HDTracks, several > times about the issues and he says that David is simply unresponsive. > > It is unfortunate you didn't contact HD Tracks to verify what Itrax.com said, they are a competitor with HD Tracks are they not? Making allegations on hearsay isn't cool. I think taking the tracks offline shows they are willing to do the right thing, good on them. -- johnas johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
As cited above, the EMM manual is quite clear: only 44.1kHz is allowed for DSD outputs and inputs on page 2 and page 8. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
The EMM Labs machine is a swiss army knife. It can do many different types of projects and its capabilities vary depending on the project. The issue for this discussion is DSD to PCM conversion of a ripped SACD. So the specs on other types of conversions by the same machine are not relevant. The machine has built-in limitations for the DSD to PCM conversion of ripped SACDs to be in compliance with Sony intellectual property rights. Sony marketed SACD to record companies as a way to offer higher fidelity (debatable) than regular red book CDs and at the same time offered a copy protection scheme which was lacking in regular CDs. It is this copy protection scheme which is implemented in the machine used by HDTracks studio for the conversions. In essence, the machine is merely ripping the red book layer of the CD rather than the SACD layer. If the source material was the original studio DSD file, then a higher fidelity conversion could have been done. But since the source material used by HDTracks, at least in these cited examples, was an SACD, the conversion is limited by legal constraints. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Thanks for reposting that info. So I read the instruction manual and yes, the base frequency can only be set to 44.1 for DSD, but, there is another switch listed above that in the manual that sets the sample rate. Wouldn't setting that switch to 2fs give you 88.2 (2 x the base frequency)? -- cwp97 cwp97's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37412 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
JJZolx;532453 Wrote: > Many users _will_ run into this situation. But Logitech should have > thought of that during the time that the Touch was in development. It > will make sense to few people that a bus-powered USB drive that works > when attached to virtually any computer or laptop fails to work with > the Touch. Just exactly why is it Logitech's issue and why should they have thought or cared about it?! There is an industry agreed upon and certified USB port power spec. How is it Logitech's fault if 1) people buy drives that don't comply with the USB port spec and 2) that they didn't think and plan for that? I will tell you, its NOT. Is it Honda's fault if some idiot puts a set of rims on his Honda with the wrong hub offset just because he wants his wheels sticking way outside the finders because he thinks it looks cool and he wears out his wheel bearings then wants Honda to cover it under warranty. It is not Honda's fault. Honda has a hub offset spec as well as a spec for what size rims will function properly on what model car. All USB drives and devices are not created equally or to spec or certified. One gets what one pays for. And one should buy and use a Certified USB drive with Touch if one wants to try and limit possible issues. As there might even be some Certified USB drives that don't work with Touch, how could Logitech plan to cover every drive? During Beta, we were asked to plug in any USB devices that we owned to see what worked and what didn't. Some devices that we thought would never work did just fine as well as devices we thought wouldn't be an issue ended up not being compatible. USB drives will be just like WiFi Routers, some work with Squeezebox some don't. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How good is the DAC in the touch ?
@Phil: You´re right, I forgot the clock matters!! V-DAC: I tried using V-DAC instead of internal ONKYO PR-SC886 DAC (20bit). Definitely no difference. Speakers were active Pro-Equipment (Geithain RL901). @Dibou: Thanks for answering. VERY interesting link!!! -- Sturmhardt 2 x SBReceiver, 1 x SBClassic, 1 x SBController SBServer on WIN XP PC Soft: 7.4.2 Former user of Logitech Wireless DJ with 3 Receivers Sturmhardt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34608 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76663 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
HDTracks now says: "we have taken the San Francisco Symphony albums off of our site while we investigate." If it reads the earlier posts in this thread, it may want to also take off the albums from Resound, the Chicago Symphony Orchestras record label, because the same upsampling is happening there too. HDTracks is not some giant corporation where one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. It is a very small group. It has been informed of these issues before and previously just decided to ignore it. I have also spoken to Mark Waldrep, owner of a competing company, Itrax.com. Mark says he has spoken to David Chesky, owner of HDTracks, several times about the issues and he says that David is simply unresponsive. I see the bigger issue as why prestigious orchestras around the world allow their works to be marketed in such a misleading way. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
johnas;532442 Wrote: > I contacted HD Tracks, here's what they said: Wow I bet he is going to learn to keep his mouth shut. -- Kevin Haskins Kevin Haskins's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30729 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
Hi, Posting this as it may help others enjoy their Touch I have been lucky enough to get a Touch quickly last Wednesday here in NZ. It worked without any real problems with the exception of some glitches and stutters playing SOME hi-res FLAC files, not all as some were fine. This was sounding like a wireless bandwidth problem but I had a good signal strength (70-80%) and couldnt work it out. I tried a Belkin Wireless N router but this was slightly worse in terms of signal performance than my Linksys 802.11G device. I tried a copper Cat-5 cable and this worked fine! Somehow it must be a wireless issue I thought, but no... I stumbled across another post that pointed me in the direction of FLAC compression rates. Luckily I had a consistent song that stuttered and I re-encoded this at FLAC level 0 and it was perfect. I experimented briefly with level 5 (stuttered!), Level 3 (still no good), and then decided to just leave my Hi-Res FLACS at Level 0 and it sounds fine. With my Duet the transcoded Hi-Res songs were always playing correctly. I assume the problem with Hi-Res at full rate is at the Touch in terms of processing power to decode FLACs with higher compression rates. This of course doesnt explain why it works perfectly well with a hard-wired Ethernet connection??? If anyone can help explain what is going on it would be interesting. In any case I am completely happy with the Touch and am running it without issue on Squeeze Server 7.6. I hope this information is useful to others. -- glenw glenw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
MickeyG;532316 Wrote: > I was worried that a lot of users would have throw on a old drive and > possibly run into this situation too. Many users _will_ run into this situation. But Logitech should have thought of that during the time that the Touch was in development. It will make sense to few people that a bus-powered USB drive that works when attached to virtually any computer or laptop fails to work with the Touch. But I also think we're getting ahead of ourselves. Many drives will work and I think most people are willing to find one that does. Nobody wants to run a powered USB hub just to hang a drive from the Touch. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I contacted HD Tracks, here's what they said: > > Thank you for your interest in HDtracks. All of our high resolution > files are provided to us from the label and are not upsampled. We do > not convert them to 44.1 and then back up to 88.2. We read the post > that you provided a link for as well. We take the integrity of our > store and the quality of our products very seriously. We are currently > > in the process of contacting Bruce, who "admitted" that he upsamples > for > us, to clarify what exactly he did or did not do. In the meantime, we > > have taken the San Francisco Symphony albums off of our site while we > investigate. > > As soon as we have clarification on the matter, we will let you know. > > We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. Please let us know > > if we can be of any further assistance. > > Sincerely, > The HDtracks Team > -- johnas johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] SBS version and Touch
Ready for ordering Touch, but have a question. My flac's are on NAS (D-Link DNS343) with SBS Version: 7.4.1 - r28947 . I do not plan to use USB drives and built-in server software. So, will Squeezebox Touch work with my current setup, or it's absolutely necessary to upgrade to 7.5.0. (on NAS) laimjar -- laimjar laimjar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37419 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77076 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
So what is the consensus, does the Touch offer the bridge functunality like the SB3? I use this feature on my SB3 for my Directv HDDVR box and hope the touch has it too. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
MadCityGeoff;532404 Wrote: > I, too, have had a Touch on pre-order from Amazon since last December. > I'm very displeased to see the product available elsewhere and > "unavailable" on Amazon. I know amazon gives you the option to cancel the order anytime, you might want to try ordering one through logitech also? -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
I, too, have had a Touch on pre-order from Amazon since last December. I'm very displeased to see the product available elsewhere and "unavailable" on Amazon. -- MadCityGeoff MadCityGeoff's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17429 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Quad;532369 Wrote: > this is a misunderstanding. Maybe the subcontracting studio knows a way > to preserve 24/96 while converting DSD to PCM. I mean hey, it's David > Chesky from Chesky Records who owns and runs HDtracks! He sure knows > how to deal with sampling rates. (That's what one hopes.) There is no misunderstanding. I personally spoke to the studio owner who does the conversions. He admits he upsampling. The audio starts in a totally different digital format, it is apples to oranges. It is a format called DSD. It ends up as PCM. The machine that does the conversions can't do it better than as described because of legal restrictions imposed by Sony. Read this entire thread for all the gory details. HDTracks doesnt admit this. However if you read the prior posts in this thread on the subject, it has been making several inconsistent statements and statements that are contradicted by other sources, including their own subcontracted studio owner. Of course you don't tell your wife the truth... (hypothetical)...nobody does, do they? I've known men like this...their gentlemen's agreement. It's cool to lie to their wives or girlfriends, but you can share those lies with other guys...and, it's an unwritten rule - you never tell the truth to the ladies. And, if one of the guys slips up and his wife finds out the truth... he's supposed to deny, deny, deny. Donald J. Trump http://www.trumpuniversity.com/blog/post/2008/02/honestly-all-of-us-are-liars.cfm -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;518719 Wrote: > The studio that does the SACD conversions for HDtracks told me that it > uses the EMM Labs ADC8 MKIV converter for these conversions. And > HDtracks confirmed in an email to another poster in post #73 that this > is indeed the machine that is used for the conversions. > > Well, to understand this process better, I read the manual for this > machine. And lo and behold, there it is: > > from DSD to PCM (44.1kHz - 16/24 bits selectable) on page 1. > > And > > only 44.1kHz is allowed for DSD outputs and inputs on page 2 and page > 8. > > http://www.emmlabs.com/pdf/manuals/ADA_MkIV_Manual1v3.pdf > > Here is the product page for the machine: > http://www.emmlabs.com/html/products/adc8/adc8.html# > > Thus the 24/88.2 downloads available on HDtracks that came from these > SACD conversions started as 44.1 and then upsampled to 88.2. > > This explains why the studio owner and engineer for HDtracks stated: > DSD has a base freq of 44.1 and is clocked at 44.1 We do all the > SACD/DSD/DVD-A transfers for HDtracks and other sites > Regards, > __ > Bruce A. Brown > Puget Sound Studios > Seattle, Washington > http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Which-site-offers-truly-high-resolution-downloads > > Even though HDtracks claims in an email as quoted in post #70 that it > doesnt upsample, it is clear that there is upsampling. > > A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And I guess some people are too lazy to read earlier posts that covers the issue. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim Wrote: > HDtracks subcontracts with a studio to do the rip of the SACDs using a > machine called the EMM Labs ADC8 MKIV converter. This machine converts > the SACDs DSD format to a PCM format of 24/44.1. That is a technical > restriction of the machine whose specifications are limited by the > intellectual property rights of Sony, which invented the SACD > technology. This resulting file is then upsampled from 44.1 to 88.2 by > HDtracks studio before being sold to the public at 24/88.2. Thanks for bringing this up and for investigating! johnas Wrote: > Have you contacted HD Tracks to confirm that they upsample in the > examples you have given? I'm not in the US and officially I'm not allowed to buy from HDtracks. (It is possible though with a PayPal workaround explained in this forum.) Maybe someone else could place an inquery? Honestly, I'm still positive that this is a misunderstanding. Maybe the subcontracting studio knows a way to preserve 24/96 while converting DSD to PCM. I mean hey, it's David Chesky from Chesky Records who owns and runs HDtracks! He sure knows how to deal with sampling rates. -- Quad Quad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
ummm...the EMM Labs ADC8 MKIV converter doesn't appear to be limited to 44.1/24 (http://www.emmlabs.com/full/adc8/flow.html) and the sampling rate for an SACD is 2.8MHz? -- cwp97 cwp97's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37412 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
Bridges normally work by keeping a list of MAC addresses, so that they know which devices are on the local side of the bridge. No default gateway involved for devices on the same subnet. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Funky new applications for the Touch
Mr_Sukebe;532218 Wrote: > Oh, I hadn't realised that resources were so marginal. Scrub that idea > then. Squeezebox Server isn't running if you don't connect a USB drive or SD card. It's not on all the time, so any CPU-intensive app would be OK under specific circumstances. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter > Classé Audio DR6 > Mark Levinson 23 > Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1/Martin Logan Dynamo 700 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
andynormancx;532333 Wrote: > Erm no. His server is plugged into his SB3, so from a Squeezebox point > of view he actually has zero wireless hops. Well, perhaps the networking of the SB3 is more competent than I give it credit for. My assumption was that both SB3 and server would have the wireless router as default gateway in a setup like this and thus the traffic would pass through the router. Sadly, it's been quite a while since I worked with networks so the details about stuff like this are no longer in the cache... -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Have you contacted HD Tracks to confirm that they upsample in the examples you have given? -- johnas johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I have been informed by the Electronc Media Coordinator for the San Francisco Symphony that the San Francisco Symphony also sends their SACDs to HD Tracks. And this employee of the Symphony admits that HD Tracks rips their SACDs to create the digital downloads. HDtracks subcontracts with a studio to do the rip of the SACDs using a machine called the EMM Labs ADC8 MKIV converter. This machine converts the SACDs DSD format to a PCM format of 24/44.1. That is a technical restriction of the machine whose specifications are limited by the intellectual property rights of Sony, which invented the SACD technology. This resulting file is then upsampled from 44.1 to 88.2 by HDtracks studio before being sold to the public at 24/88.2. The problem with upsampling is that the fidelity will not be as good as material originally recorded at 24/88.2. Thus in my opinion, HDtracks is giving the public the impression that the fidelity is better than it actually is. Hdtracks can sell music in whatever resolution it wants. The issue is whether Hdtracks has made a full disclosure of the source of the master and the conversion process for the downloadable file that it does sell. I dont believe there has been full disclosure. In addition, when I pointed this out the San Francisco Symphony, the Electronc Media Coordinator at the Symphony stated: This is an issue for HD Tracks customer service. Apparently the San Francisco Symphony (or at least its Electronc Media Coordinator) doesnt care about the issue. -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
posted in another thread Well, I ordered one through the logitech site and also have one on pre-order through Amazon. I figure I can cancel the one which ships lasthopefully I imagine from the looks of things, amazons will not ship for a while considering they pulled them off the stie altogether. MickeyG from Logitech seems to believe orders directly through Logitech will ship next week possibly. The waiting begins! -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
posted in another thread Well, I ordered one through the logitech site and also have one on pre-order through Amazon. I figure I can cancel the one which ships lasthopefully I imagine from the looks of things, amazons will not ship for a while considering they pulled them off the stie altogether. MickeyG from Logitech seems to believe orders directly through Logitech will ship next week possibly. The waiting begins! -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
Well, I ordered one through the logitech site and also have one on pre-order through Amazon. I figure I can cancel the one which ships lasthopefully:) I imagine from the looks of things, amazons will not ship for a while considering they pulled them off the stie altogether. MickeyG from Logitech seems to believe orders directly through Logitech will ship next week possibly. The waiting begins! -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
Erm no. His server is plugged into his SB3, so from a Squeezebox point of view he actually has zero wireless hops. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Pricing (Canada/International)
As bluegaspode already pointed out, this is price discrimination in segmented markets, straight out of any first-year undergraduate economics text. Demand for SBs in Canada is apparently more inelastic than in the US because of a host of factors, including size of market, cost of substitutes (considered broadly, including CD players, etc). Retail regulations matter too, but probably not very much in this case. As long as Logitech can segment the market, which they do via their distribution chain, it makes sense for them to charge more in Canada than in the US. That is not "subsidizing" US consumers -- it's charging what the Canadian market, and the US market, will bear. As you pointed out yourself, that is norm for many products in Canada. Also, I confess to knowing nothing about commercial law in Canada, but I strongly doubt that Logitech distribution can tell Canadian retailers what they must charge for the product. MSRP is one thing, but street price is another. If Canadian retailers have no flexibility to discount prices, that's part of your problem right there. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76751 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
I haven't got an email from Amazon but I preordered mine in the middle of March so maybe I am farther down on the list. -- gregorcy gregorcy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36399 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
Swimmerbird123;532292 Wrote: > I think you misunderstand. There is only one wireless hop - from the > router to the SB3. Yes, that I understand, but from a streaming perspective there are two wireless hops as far as I can see. First data from the server to the router (via the SB) and then from the router back to the SB. Exactly the same as if you had used the wireless on the computer. Nothing wrong about that, just that it's not as "wired" as you seem to think. And nothing wrong with having your server next to your stereo and TV, just that I think it's more common for people to consider it a convenience not having to have the server in the listening/viewing room. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
JJZolx;532016 Wrote: > "Covering our ass" verbiage. Logitech is good at that. Hey! I wrote that! :-( But seriously ... a lot of USB drives don't have the USB certified logo. (Note that the box for a lot of drives lately have a logo that only resembles USB but aren't USB certified) These drives appear to be much more likely to exceed USB specs when spinning up. I have tested a lot of drives like that, and when that happens the drive goes into a constant spin-up/spin-down cycle. The only way to solve that is to supply more current, since Touch will only supply what's specified by USB. I was worried that a lot of users would have throw on a old drive and possibly run into this situation too. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter > Classé Audio DR6 > Mark Levinson 23 > Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1/Martin Logan Dynamo 700 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
Hofstede;532279 Wrote: > I have a Samsung S1 mini 250Gb disk attached that is even smaller than a > 2.5" drive (it has an 1.8" drive) and hardly consumes any power. It > works great with the Touch > > Marc I tested a bunch of drives, but not one of those. I went to Fry's and bought a bunch of USB drives from WD, Seagate, Hitachi ... not from Samsung. All worked fine, but I used a USB hub for all drives without an external power supply. Please post back after you've tried it for awhile and let others know! Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter > Classé Audio DR6 > Mark Levinson 23 > Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1/Martin Logan Dynamo 700 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
I also have a touch on preorder with amazon and wondering if I would get it sooner by cancelling this order and ordering directly through Logitech, or are they sold out also? Thoughts? Thanks! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Pricing (Canada/International)
iPhone;529997 Wrote: > Hello and Welcome to the Forum. > > I think that you are attempting to put the blame in the wrong place. It > is not Logitech, they are going to sell the unit first at what the > market will bear (which is called Capitalism IE good business) and the > second dynamic is that countries outside the States have requirements > that force an artificial price increase above and beyond the US MSRP > that is outside the issue of currency value differences. So it is up to > the citizens of each country to get the laws changed as to taxes, > duties, VAT, and other stupid requirements that make the cost of > business higher in those countries through over regulation. > > As an example, if a business is forced to warranty a product that they > don't even make only sale, above and beyond the manufactures warranty > that is going to cause the price to be above the US MSRP. Respectfully, I do think I am placing the blame in the correct place. It is Logitech that sets the price. Unfortunately, the local retailers are caught in the middle: retailers do not have the option, in the case of Logitech, to import directly from the US and pass the savings to CDN consumers. They must purchase the units from the CDN distributor and sell for whatever price the distributor/Logitech demands. Not all manufacturers impose these requirements--recently, I was able to purchase an HDMI switch from a CDN distributor for close to price parity with the US price because the manufacturer allowed the CDN reseller to match the US price in CDN currency, after factoring in the cost of converting from US to CDN currency. Yes, Canada has regulations that will cause the price of imported goods to be higher. As an example, all software and packaging has to be available in both French and English. This adds some costs to the units. But, I should stress again that there is no duty under NAFTA for the importation of these units. So, while I never expect to see exact price parity when the CDN dollar is at par with the US dollar, I do think that a 25-30% mark up of the price is out of line. A more reasonable markup is somewhere in the 5-15% range. I realize that prices are often set well in advance of product availability, but the CDN dollar has been close to the US dollar in value for some time. Even given the respective values of the currencies 6-12 months ago, the differential is still discriminatory. As for capitalism, last time I checked it was somewhat broken, but still functioning. Manufacturers who price their products too high in other countries relative to the US prices will face a backlash from consumers who are tired of subsidizing the low prices the US consumers currently enjoy. Something has to give at some point--either prices will have to come down in other countries to provide closer price parity and/or prices for US consumers will have to rise as a result of a devalued dollar and inflationary pressures. I do want to buy local if I can and will do so if I feel the differntial mark up in price is fair. In the case of pricing of Logitech units in Canada, the price differential appears to be unfair and discriminatory. MG. -- dmg dmg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76751 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
I think you misunderstand. There is only one wireless hop - from the router to the SB3. The SB3 acts as a wireless access point. In fact, I needed to turn off the wireless connection on the computer for it to show up properly on the network map. The computer can still use the SB3's bridge for internet access. I can even stream movies from amazon and other sites over the SB3 into the computer and then via HDMI onto a plasma screen, although for HD it is usually better to let the whole movie download before streaming. So, yes, it is a big convenience for me to have this server (a small quiet Dell Zino) near the stereo & plasma TV. Swimmer -- Swimmerbird123 Swimmerbird123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
I just got this reply from Amazon: "Looking into your order, I see that Logitech Squeezebox Touch is back-ordered. I'm sorry about this delay--we certainly didn't expect that this would happen. Sometimes unexpected fluctuations in supply can add time to our original availability estimate. We have learned that item is now back- ordered, and our supplier has not been able to let us know exactly when they expect to have more in stock." This has been pre-ordered since december. Are they quite serious that Logitech is out of stock? I'm thinking that someone at Logitech hasn't flipped the switch on telling online retailers that they can start shipping yet. Either that, or there's some discrimination directed at the online retailers, and they won't get stock until Logitech decides that they "deserve" it. Any thoughts MickeyG? -- crazyj crazyj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
I've got a pre-order waiting on Amazon to get with it. It's listed as "unavailable". Has anyone ordered through Amazon and actually had it ship yet? -- crazyj crazyj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
I have a Samsung S1 mini 250Gb disk attached that is even smaller than a 2.5" drive and hardly consumes any power. It works great with the touch Marc -- Hofstede Hofstede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
Swimmerbird123;532266 Wrote: > I have my SB3 connecting wirelessly to my network in bridge mode, and > then a music server wired directly into the SB3 with a crossover cable. > It is a great way to combine the reliability of a wired interface for > streaming my music library with the convenience of placing the computer > and SB3 near my stereo, not near my router. > Well I wouldn't necessarily consider placing the computer near the stereo a convenience, and if I understand correctly your setup is no more wired than if you had used a wireless connection straight from your computer. It still involves two wireless hops even if they use the same endpoints for both. Swimmerbird123;532266 Wrote: > But with the Touch, if i understand it right, I should be able just to > connect the Touch to my network in the normal (non-bridged) wireless > way, and then simply plug a large USB drive with my music library on it > into the Touch, and thus have the same streaming reliability as before. Well, there are less networking involved so from that perspective it should definitely be more reliable. Anyhow, I don't think this in any way negates the niftiness nor the need for the wireless bridge function. While the setup you're running today apparently works, I think it's pretty unique. My guess is that people mostly use the bridge for puposes other than providing the SBS with network access. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
Swimmerbird123;532266 Wrote: > I have my SB3 connecting wirelessly to my network in bridge mode, and > then a music server wired directly into the SB3 with a crossover cable. > It is a great way to combine the reliability of a wired interface for > streaming my music library with the convenience of placing the computer > and SB3 near my stereo, not near my router. > Well I wouldn't necessarily consider placing the computer near the stereo a convenience, and if I understand correctly your setup is no more wired than if you had used a wireless connection straight from your computer. It still involves two wireless hops even if they use the same endpoints for both. Swimmerbird123;532266 Wrote: > But with the Touch, if i understand it right, I should be able just to > connect the Touch to my network in the normal (non-bridged) wireless > way, and then simply plug a large USB drive with my music library on it > into the Touch, and thus have the same streaming reliability as before. Well, there are less networking involved so from that perspective it should definitely be more reliable. Anyhow, I don't think this in any way negates the niftiness nor the need for the wireless bridge function. While the setup you're running today apparently works, I think it's pretty unique. My guess is that people mostly use the bridge for puposes other than providing the SBS with network access. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
Mine arrived 4 hours ago and is now playing along. First impressions are good. Beautiful screen. It is now scanning an USB disk (Samsung S1) for files. Then I can try out it's internal Squeezeserver Marc -- Hofstede Hofstede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] US Logitech Preorder Shipped
Yep, mine is on its way. -- dsdreamer -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77033 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch have Wireless Bridge Functionality?
Am I right, though, that the Touch's ability to connect directly to a USB drive may eliminate the need for bridging in some cases? I have my SB3 connecting wirelessly to my network in bridge mode, and then a music server wired directly into the SB3 with a crossover cable. It is a great way to combine the reliability of a wired interface for streaming my music library with the convenience of placing the computer and SB3 near my stereo, not near my router. But with the Touch, if i understand it right, I should be able just to connect the Touch to my network in the normal (non-bridged) wireless way, and then simply plug a large USB drive with my music library on it into the Touch, and thus have the same streaming reliability as before. Right? Swimmer -- Swimmerbird123 Swimmerbird123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71303 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] US Logitech Preorder Shipped
Me too! -- ckknox ckknox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77033 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
R Johnson;532013 Wrote: > The latest newsletter from HD Tracks promotes some new 96/24 material > from the New York Philharmonic. Perhaps these recordings follow a > simpler path than the SACD conversion for the Chicago Symphony... I recently bought "Tenor Madness" and "Bags meets Wes!", two recordings out of the Concord Music Group catalogue which is now available in 24/96 at HDtracks. Until now I thought that HDtracks has access to the studio masters offered by the labels they are working with. But after reading this thread I got a bit confused. Both titles have been previously released as SACDs and the booklet included with the download shows SACD logos on it. I really hope that the music I'm listening to right now is not limited to 44.1kHz by EMM Labs' DSD to PCM conversion. BTW. It sounds great! ;-) -- Quad Quad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Funky new applications for the Touch
aubuti;532212 Wrote: > I'm not a developer, but I was one of the Touch beta testers and I don't > see any way it could run something like Inguz DRC. Look at it this way: > hardware resources are so limited that to run SBS on the Touch they had > to disable the web ui and transcoding. AFAIK Inguz DRC is much more > demanding than either of those tasks. Oh, I hadn't realised that resources were so marginal. Scrub that idea then. -- Mr_Sukebe SB3, Meridian 568.2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system, audio-technica and Zanash cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
Neat looking, fine touch. Typing this while listening to Radio Paradise on my freshly arrived Touch. Patience IS a virtue :-) -- Sakkerju Squeezebox Server-7.5.1 SSODS *** Squeezebox Radio *** Squeezebox Touch *** WD TV Live Media Player Synology DS209+II - DSM 2.3-1141 - WD Caviar WD20EARS 2TB (RAID1) *** Linksys WRT320N 1Gb Sakkerju's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37149 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Funky new applications for the Touch
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have worded my opening post in quite that way. I certainly wouldn't expect some weird and wonderful Iphone style apps. Some audio related apps might be interesting though. -- Mr_Sukebe SB3, Meridian 568.2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system, audio-technica and Zanash cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch & HFS+ Journaled
No, HFS is not supported due to the lack of RW support for journaled mode. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77043 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Funky new applications for the Touch
Mr_Sukebe;532165 Wrote: > Personally I'd love to see an update to the Inguz room correction > software. Do the developers of the Touch believe that it has the > processing power for that type of work? I'm not a developer, but I was one of the Touch beta testers and I don't see any way it could run something like Inguz DRC. Look at it this way: hardware resources are so limited that to run SBS on the Touch they had to disable the web ui and transcoding. AFAIK Inguz DRC is much more demanding than either of those tasks. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch has no fixed volume setting
Phil Leigh;532099 Wrote: > +1 - categorically bit-perfect when vol=100 (DTS and HDCD prove this). > The Touch doesn't need the -63dB setting for the analogue outs that was > useful on the SB3). > > There is no additional "analogue" level control on the Touch. > Many thanks for the info... -- ziggyb63 ziggyb63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77018 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
MickeyG;532008 Wrote: > I was wrong. I have now been straightened out. Here's what I know: > > > > > - US -- Shipping pre-orders. Taking orders now even though it says > Out of Stock. Start shipping new orders Monday April 12. - EU -- Pre-orders have shipped. Taking orders now even though it > says Out of Stock. Already shipping new orders. > > > > > If you want a Squeezebox Touch, just order it on the Logitech.com web > site. Don't worry -- it will ship in a couple of days. > > I don't have an update on Canada. > > Mickey EU Update I ordered on the UK (EU) site yesterday, it showed out of stock yesterday but just received shipping confirmation today. I have checked today and it is showing as in-stock on the web-site. Kevin -- Kevint SB3, Boom, Radio Kevint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
nonnoroger;531772 Wrote: > Ordered on-line to Logitech UK on 03/29 - express delivery. > > Now shipping from the Netherlands. > > On schedule for delivery tomorrow, Friday 04/09. > > In process has changed to completed. > > I am at home tomorrow and really looking forward to playing my 24/96 > vinyl rips. > > Thanks for all the hard work - have fun everyone. Arrived half an hour ago and already happily playing! Using wired connection and digital output to a Naim Uniti. No more UPnP for me! Sounds great. Thanks guys -- nonnoroger nonnoroger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35581 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Funky new applications for the Touch
Mr_Sukebe;532165 Wrote: > > One thing I did notice recently were comments about the design of the > Touch, implying that it was far more capable that the usual embedded > software unit, and could accept new applications, almost like a > Logitech version of an Iphone. > Assuming that to be the case, does anyone know of any planned > applications? > If you like hints, look in the "3rd party plugins" section and in the "Developers" section of the forum. Besides what could be seen there I haven't seen any official announcements of applications. In the foreseeable future I personally just expect to see a few screen savers and other simple but useful third party applets. It won't be anywhere close to the iPhone and Android devices, the Squeezebox is a musicplayer not a internet browser or gaming device, I'm pretty sure Logitech don't have any plans to compete with iPhone/iPad/Android in this area. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Funky new applications for the Touch
After waiting since ordering my Touch back in October, I'm rubbing my hands in antipication of receiving it this coming Monday. Big thumbs up for that. One thing I did notice recently were comments about the design of the Touch, implying that it was far more capable that the usual embedded software unit, and could accept new applications, almost like a Logitech version of an Iphone. Assuming that to be the case, does anyone know of any planned applications? Personally I'd love to see an update to the Inguz room correction software. Do the developers of the Touch believe that it has the processing power for that type of work? -- Mr_Sukebe SB3, Meridian 568.2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system, audio-technica and Zanash cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch & HFS+ Journaled
I'm guessing that the touch does not support plain old HFS+ (let alone the journaled variety) at this point in time. I know that linux support for Read+Write on HFS+ is not the greatest, so I understand this. Nevertheless, how hard will it be to get the Touch to mount an HFS+ Journaled USB portable drive in Read-only mode and write the database to a flash card? Does this require major work, or can it be done by an end user with basic unix skills? The reason I ask is that i currently have about 600GB of music (mostly FLAC) on a 880GB Seagate USB drive which is formatted as HFS+ Journaled, and there are several reasons why I don't want to reformat this as either FAT32, NTFS or EXT3. -- Nikhil Nikhil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=993 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77043 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
My Touch order has shipped and is now inside an UPS van on its way to my home, scheduled for today. So I am having home arrest untill delivery... Status: In transit Deliverydate: 09/04/2010 Type: Pakket Service: STANDARD Weight: 1,50 Kg -- Sakkerju Squeezebox Server-7.5.1 SSODS *** Squeezebox Radio *** Squeezebox Touch *** WD TV Live Media Player Synology DS209+II - DSM 2.3-1141 - WD Caviar WD20EARS 2TB (RAID1) *** Linksys WRT320N 1Gb Sakkerju's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37149 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
tank121;532127 Wrote: > Will the touch work work with any file format on the external hd e.g. > NTFS/fat32 ? yes and ext32 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
Will the external drive work with any file format e.g. NTFS/fat32 ? -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help Buying 2.5" External Drive
Something like this should work fine then ? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160903 -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76983 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
