[SlimDevices: Touch] nike air jordan 7
The Air Jordan Shoes 7-Olympics-White-Midnight Navy-Red www.nikeoutletstore.org are simply put.A WORK OF ART! These were released in the summer of 1992, and were dubbed the "Olympics" as Jordan wore them while playing for team USA during the Olympic games, which came to be known as the original Dream Team. A white upper with metallic silver highlights, as well as red, blue, and gold accents. They feature small perforations throughout the upper which act as a breathing mechanism for the foot. Also, the back heel features the diamond shaped emblem we have come to familiarize with the Air Jordan 7 (VII) but instead of the usual "23" on it, it features the number "9", which was Michael's Olympic jersey number.These are truly adored by Jordan fanatics to this day, who would kill to have these in their collection. The Air Jordan Shoes 7 www.nikeoutletstore.org -Black-Chambray-Light Graphite were released on February 20, 2006.They were designed by Jordan brand mastermind Tinker Hatfield, and was influenced by Western African tribal patterns, which were on a poster he purchased in Portland. His intention for the shoe was to stay young and interesting, while remaining sophisticated. They feature a black suede upper with with chambray and grey accents, which can be seen on the Jumpman logo, midsole, and tongue of the shoe. The shoe's design is quite interesting, as it features an inner sock or inner shoe, similar to the Nike Air Huarache technology, which is intended to really conform to your foot. The Air Jordan Shoes www.nikeoutletstore.org 7-Black-Dark Charcoal-True Red were released on December 14, 2002.The are almost exact copies of the originas. A brighter purple color scheme than the old skool version.The shoe is completely black, which may seem bland, but the purple and red accents definitely draw attention to the shoe, contrasting from the black base. The lines on the shoe, although hard to see due to the all black colorway were influenced by Western African tribal patterns, which were a poster that Tinker Hatfield purchased in Portland, Oregon. Although simple, they are one of the more sought after colorways in the Air Jordan 7 (VII) line- up. -- ailidas ailidas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38635 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79935 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
badboygolf16v;557207 Wrote: > Sorry, didn't equate the homeplugs with being equivalent to wired, my > bad. Running cables to my Touch from my SBS location or the router is a > no go. But from a homeplug would be OK. You could even go with some kind wifi AP where you conect the wire from the Touch . Point in case seems to not burden The Touch with wifi chores it has small cpu not much memory etc, turning of the wifi and not loading the modules saves the scarse resources. Otherwise there is no sound-quality difference whatsoever between any kind of network topology as long as the data arrives faster than you can play it, if not it rebuffers and stutter. You can download a file from internet and it sound ok ;) this could be over 100 yo old phone-lines or whatnot. Having said that I pulled wires to conect my Touch just because some buffering could occur with 24/96 files, but 24/96 material is a corner case not everybody has this demand on their system. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
JJZolx;557262 Wrote: > Wow. Reading a bug report like that makes you realize that the > developers were really flying by the seat of their pants on many things > they had to deal with on the SqueezePlay based players. There were > about a half dozen different problems discussed and it looks like only > two or three were ultimately resolved. The very concept of having > local time on the player seems very foreign to everyone. The concept of an authoritative TinySC instance didn't seem to be on anybody's radar. Maybe that's because in that timeframe (last Sep.) most beta users were relying on beta MySB or FatSBS. Still, I don't think it should be that hard to deal with. The Fab4/Touch applet code should include logic to use the date command with MySB if the current music source is the local TinySC instance. Might take less than 5 lines of code. This wouldn't be as good as running ntpd locally (one of the best things about ntpd being its maintenance of a 'drift' file so that it keeps very good time so long as the local clock is reliably fast or slow), but should be good enough to keep Touch and any Squeezeboxes that use it as a music source in pretty good shape -- so long as the user has a live Internet connection. To handle users without Internet connections, I don't think there's any getting around something like ntpd's drift file. Logitech could emulate that in Lua with the existing SN/MySB date facility, they don't need to actually ship ntpd with the Touch firmware. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
peterw;557256 Wrote: > Here's a bug in which a lot of time sync stuff is discussed by Logitech > staff: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12253 Wow. Reading a bug report like that makes you realize that the developers were really flying by the seat of their pants on many things they had to deal with on the SqueezePlay based players. There were about a half dozen different problems discussed and it looks like only two or three were ultimately resolved. The very concept of having local time on the player seems very foreign to everyone. SqueezePlay has turned out to be an odd bird. Nobody appears to know how to deal with the locally stored settings and how to reconcile them with multiple SbS servers, TinSC and mysb.com. In its current form SP is a strange mix of local settings and the old client/server model, where little on the old players worked without a live connection to a server. Unfortunately, the two approaches don't seem to mix very well. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
Here's a bug in which a lot of time sync stuff is discussed by Logitech staff: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12253 -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
badboygolf16v;557130 Wrote: > Thanks everyone for your advice. > > Anyone know if the AMD could be passively cooled? I have tried it. I used one of the fanless massive zalman heatsinks. It did work, but it was pretty close to the edge. As dust builds up, airflow changes etc the system was getting unstable. Not a good place to be. I eventually went with the zalman that has a large heatsink and a slow very quiet fan. It works perfectly and is very quiet. I have to be within 6" of the case to hear it. The suspended disk actually makes more noise. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
JJZolx;557204 Wrote:
> Wouldn't a quick way to update the time be to simply reboot the Touch?
> A quick press of the reset button on the back should do the trick.
> Amazingly, Logitech has built a complete Linux computer, with ethernet
> and wifi and all manner of Linux software and servers, but never gave
> it the ability to maintain the time between reboots. So when using
> TinySC the Touch _must_ go out on the internet to set its clock.
There IS a real time clock (RTC) in the processor chip, but they didn't
put a battery on the board to keep it alive. I'm sure they did this
because the hardware team that was designing the Touch was assuming it
was going to be a network player like all other squeezeboxen so would
always be connected to an external server from which it would get its
time.
Under linux there are two clocks, the system clock and the RTC, they
are separate clocks. In many systems the system clock just runs off the
main processor interrupt oscillator which is usually not a highly
accurate clock. In order to deal with this linux can apply an
adjustment from the system clock. It computes and updates this
adjustment by getting periodic updates from an external time server. If
setup properly this can give very accurate time, all the time. Currently
this system is not being used on the Touch.
What is being used is the standard Squeezebox time synchronization
system. In this system the player is assumed not to have any RTC so
must get its time from a SBS. The SBS gets its time from the time
system on the machine it is running on. It assumes that the machine it
runs on is already running one of these time synchronization schemes.
Obviously when the Touch is running its own server all this falls
apart. Right now I think the Touch goes out and connects to
mysqueezebox.com when it boots so IF you have an internet connection
you at least get an update at boot time. I THINK you also get an update
when you explicitely connect to mysqueezebox.com. So one solution is to
manually connect to mysqueezebox.com once a day or every other day etc.
If you don't have a connection to the internet and want to manually set
the time you can do this by loging in to the Touch with SSH and typing
the following command:
date -s "2010-06-22 19:04:23"
Of course change the date and time to match the current conditions.
Make sure you include the double quote marks (") and realize the hours
are in 24 hour format, the 19 in the above means 7pm.
The firmware in the Touch should probably be modified to have both an
easy way to manually enter the time and some form of periodic update
either from mysqueezebox.com or an internet time server. Getting some
form of this in place is not hard, getting it RIGHT so the system works
properly in all circumstances is not trivial. Its probably going to take
a lot of thought by several people to figure out how to properly set the
system up.
There are a lot of scenarios, external server, internet or no internet.
Local server, internet, no internet. Internet time server, mysqueezebox.
hatever is put in place has to work in all situations without weird
situations happening because something updated the time and now some
file is in the future and strange things happen.
This probably needs to have communication between users and developers
to get this hacked out correctly. I'm not sure what the best place to
do this is, a forum thread such as this, or a bug thread.
John S.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch using 36 watts, on or off
rhswain;557220 Wrote: > According to my Kill-A-Watt meter, my Touch uses 36 watts -- whether > it's on or off! > > I only use the Touch to listen to internet radio. (I have not even > installed the software on my PC.) It connects wirelessly to my router. > I usually control it with mysqueezebox.com, or sometimes with the > remote control. > > When it's playing, I have it showing Now Playing. When it's off, the > big clock and small date appear (I think that's the default). > > Am I doing something wrong? Any suggestions? I think you have a bad display on your meter, more like 3.6 Watts, not 36. It is impossible for a Touch to EVER draw more then 20 watts even with really lose tolerances and a short (rated at 15W as in 5V*3A). And without using the USB port to power a poorly designed USB drive, no way to even get close to 10 Watts. Your Touch is probably drawing more like .72A at 5VDC and the meter is reading 3.6 Watts. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79927 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch using 36 watts, on or off
Kill-A-Watts are fine for what they are, but they're not exactly professional devices. Try it on a similarly low-watt device and see what it tells you. Or try to borrow a better meter from an electrician. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79927 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch using 36 watts, on or off
rhswain;557220 Wrote: > According to my Kill-A-Watt meter, my Touch uses 36 watts -- whether > it's on or off! > > I only use the Touch to listen to internet radio. (I have not even > installed the software on my PC.) It connects wirelessly to my router. > I usually control it with mysqueezebox.com, or sometimes with the > remote control. > > When it's playing, I have it showing Now Playing. When it's off, the > big clock and small date appear (I think that's the default). > > Am I doing something wrong? Any suggestions? I have to say I think you are doing something wrong, cause the PSU that is shipped with the Touch would have melted into a small pool of plastic if it tried to supply 36W continuously. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79927 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch using 36 watts, on or off
Something's wrong. My Kill-A-Watt measures 2 watts when Touch is idle (4 with a USB drive attached). The power supply is rated for 3A at 5V out, or 15W max output, so 36W sounds very implausible. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79927 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
My advice is to keep things simple. Managing a NAS has it's own headaches and a collection of 800 CDs is probably only going to take about 300+ gig in flac, so no real need for a NAS I wouldn't think. But do be sure to by a spare drive to backup your the hard disk. Depending upon your setup, you may find that running SqueezeCenter and feeding the Touch via wired or wireless from your LAN might be just as good as running TinySC. There are a few benefits from doing so such as browser access to SqueezeCenter and some of the plugins, but it does require you to keep you computer running SqueezeCenter up all the time. Not such a bad thing. -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch using 36 watts, on or off
According to my Kill-A-Watt meter, my Touch uses 36 watts -- whether it's on or off! I only use the Touch to listen to internet radio. (I have not even installed the software on my PC.) It connects wirelessly to my router. I usually control it with mysqueezebox.com, or sometimes with the remote control. When it's playing, I have it showing Now Playing. When it's off, the big clock and small date appear (I think that's the default). Am I doing something wrong? Any suggestions? -- rhswain rhswain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14015 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79927 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
aubuti;557150 Wrote: > homeplugs should be okay, too. Sorry, didn't equate the homeplugs with being equivalent to wired, my bad. Running cables to my Touch from my SBS location or the router is a no go. But from a homeplug would be OK. -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
Wouldn't a quick way to update the time be to simply reboot the Touch? A quick press of the reset button on the back should do the trick. Amazingly, Logitech has built a complete Linux computer, with ethernet and wifi and all manner of Linux software and servers, but never gave it the ability to maintain the time between reboots. So when using TinySC the Touch _must_ go out on the internet to set its clock. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Many thanks for all the really useful information an tips. Can't wait to get the touch, I am pretty determined to get it to work for me. One other factor which occurred to me is the hard drive format, will this affect performance FAT32 or NTFS? The Toshiba I ordered is FAT32. Should I leave it or reformat? I think there is a 4GB file limit per file on FAT32. I may be jumping the gun a bit here but would using the Touch with a NAS be a much smoother and more stable option with a large library? The reason I ask is that I have just read that the external Toshiba USB HDD that I have just purchased ( http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145041 ) is actually a Western Digital WD10EAVS Sata 1TB drive in a toshiba enclosure. Does that mean that I could put this drive into a NAS enclosure at a later date for the fully functional and presumably more stable SB software running from the NAS rather than TinySC? I don't know much about NAS drives and whether or not they are easy to set up with the touch but I have seen a couple of NAS enclosures for around £50 in the UK. ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arkara-Gigalan-Entry-SingleBay-Enclosure/dp/B00375MXN2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277242080&sr=8-1 ) Would this Arkara Gigalan Entry Level SingleBay NAS Enclosure (or something similar in price) run the SB software and take my Toshiba Sata 1TB drive? Many thanks! Sorry the above question is a bit off my original topic. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
indigo;557167 Wrote: > I can connect to mysqueezebox.com. > If this is a bug, it should affect all the touch user right ? > And if this is a bug, there is a way to ask Logitech to take care of it > ? My touch is reporting the correct time. But mine is attached to a local server running SbS so different conditions than you. Seems odd that the TinySC doesn't get its time correctly from mysb.com, if that is in fact the case. See this thread for info on filing a bug. good luck. If you find a bug already filed, or file one yourself, you might come back and post a link to the bug report so others can vote for it. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74846 -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
I can connect to mysqueezebox.com. If this is a bug, it should affect all the touch user right ? And if this is a bug, there is a way to ask Logitech to take care of it ? -- indigo indigo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38856 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
badboygolf16v;557130 Wrote: > It sounds like a wirelessly accessed NAS might not be such a good idea > then. I want to try a hard wired connection from SBS to Touch so I > think the getting the quietest HDD is the way to go. I don't follow how wired connection implies you need the quietest HDD. As several of us have suggested, put the server (with HDD) in a different room, preferably one where's it's easy to connect it to the router with cat5e or cat6 cable. Then figure out a way to wire the Touch to the router, also preferably via ethernet, though homeplugs should be okay, too. JohnS doesn't say anything is wrong with using a router or switch, does he? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
Thanks everyone for your advice. It sounds like a wirelessly accessed NAS might not be such a good idea then. I want to try a hard wired connection from SBS to Touch so I think the getting the quietest HDD is the way to go. And Inguz doubts mean Atom may not be good enough. I hadn't really considered building a higher power server but I think this might a good thing to do, with a 2.5" 1TB HDD acoustically treated it should be near-enough silent? Certainly cheaper and more configurable than a Mac Mini, and cheaper than a new Tranquil PC. (The benefit of the Tranquil PC is silence, is it a price worth paying..?) The newly released quad core AMD 45W Athlon II X4 610e looks interesting, the Intel i3-530 is 73W, which swings it in the AMD's favour. Anyone know if the AMD could be passively cooled? -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
JohnSwenson;557030 Wrote: > ... Unfortunately several of the online music download services encode > their hi rez flac files with -8. ... > > John S. Ah! I wasn't aware of that and that could very well have been the problem I was running in to since they were flacs that I downloaded from the a couple online hi-res sites. I'll take a closer look when I get home tonight. I agree that flacs at -5 are a good compromise and going to -8 may very well create more issues than benefits. -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
woodnut;556989 Wrote: > Hello all, > > Many many thanks for all of your replies, I am fairly new to using FLAC > files and was unaware there were different levels of compression. > > Is 5 an average level that won't put too much strain on the processor > of the Touch? Would a lower level give me a better chance of smooth > operation? > > I have not noticed controls to adjust sleep times for external hard > drives I have used in the past, does anyone know if this is a standard > option for all external hard drives? I am wondering whether I will be > able to disable or adjust this on the Toshiba I have ordered. > > Cheers. I am of the opinion that -5 FLAC Ripping is just a good all around compromise. As in going to -6 through -8 really doesn't save that much more space on a hard drive (not enough because large drives are cheap and the CPU price that must be paid) but really adds to the load on the CPU. At zero there is basically hardly any CPU load and one better have lots of disk space. -5 is a good compromise between 0 and -8. I am using Toshiba drives with the Touch without issue. Hopefully you will have the same luck/results. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
The latest firmware that comes with 7.5.1 has some flac decoder enhancements that should help to alleviate the problems some have found with hi rez flac decoding. BEFORE this upgrade 24/96 flacs with -8 compression played off an attached USB drive had a fairly high probability of having problems. Unfortunately several of the online music download services encode their hi rez flac files with -8. There have been reports that the new firmware allows these to play fine. Flacs encoded at -5 have had far less problems and ones encoded at -0 almost never have a problem. Regular 44.1 flac files have also not had any problems. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
I still think that wired to the Touch is the best. But I don't think that files on a NAS going to SBS on a different machine is a good idea either. Its best to have the files on the same machine as SBS and put that in a different room from the listening room, and use a wired network to the Touch. If you absolutely HAVE to have the Touch running wifi, I think you will be better off with the link between SBS and Touch rather than NAS and SBS. But everything wired is still by far the best. I'm a little over the top but I built a server with a cheap asus board, AMD multicore processor, zalman heatsink with a slow moving fan, SSD for OS and 1TB HD for music files. This system is very quiet, and SCREAMS performance wise. Web ui is lightning fast, rescans and everything else are rediculously fast. It should be able to handle any DSP tasks you want to run on the server with ease. This thing really didn't cost that much. If I remember correctly it was about $600 for the whole thing. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
I have 1300 albums in flac + album art on a 500g Lacie USB drive attached to my Touch. The Lacie has it's own power. It just works. The only time I've run into buffering issues is in playback of 24/96 hi-res files. Interestingly, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't so I'm not sure what the issue is. I haven't tried yet to recompress those flac files from -5 to a lower number to see if that would make a difference. -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
Please be sure that you are able to switch to MySqueezebox.com. Normally a player updates its clock from Squeezebox Server or MySqueezebox.com to compensate for the relatively poor clock drift. Either your Touch is unable to get time from MySB or there's a bug and it's too dumb to realize that the built-in server is not a reliable time source. I expect it's a bug, but please check your ability to switch to MySB to be more certain. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
FLAC compression is 0 to 8. 5 seems to be the default "average". All levels of compression are LOSSLESS, it is just a function of how much space is saved. And yes, the more compressed, the more work the decoder does. This said, I've not seen any problems with the 5 level. And even the 8 level is fine for non-hirez files based on most reports. This said, I recommend the 5 level. It is a relatively small size file (for FLAC) and easy to decode for most players. I'm not sure I would give up the artwork. Just have EAC put the album cover in the album directory (this would be a single jpg file). I really doubt the use of artwork is going to be a problem for you. And you will eventually regret not having the artwork associated with your albums. I've always ignored all the USB drive setup info myself as well. But I'm sure you can find info on your drive when it arrives (either in the instructions or online). enjoy! woodnut;556989 Wrote: > Hello all, > > > > Many many thanks for all of your replies, I am fairly new to using FLAC > files and was unaware there were different levels of compression. > > Is 5 an average level that won't put too much strain on the processor > of the Touch? Would a lower level give me a better chance of smooth > operation? > > I have not noticed controls to adjust sleep times for external hard > drives I have used in the past, does anyone know if this is a standard > option for all external hard drives? I am wondering whether I will be > able to disable or adjust this on the Toshiba I have ordered. > > > Flac is definitely what I shall use given the advice received here and > I shall rip with EAC using MP3tag to tag the files. I won't bother with > any artwork and shall try and keep everything neat and simple to give > the Touch the best chance of smooth operation. > > Fingers crossed it will work as the external USB drive option is the > most attractive feature and the main reason for this purchase. > > > Cheers. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Hello all, Many many thanks for all of your replies, I am fairly new to using FLAC files and was unaware there were different levels of compression. Is 5 an average level that won't put too much strain on the processor of the Touch? Would a lower level give me a better chance of smooth operation? I have not noticed controls to adjust sleep times for external hard drives I have used in the past, does anyone know if this is a standard option for all external hard drives? I am wondering whether I will be able to disable or adjust this on the Toshiba I have ordered. Flac is definitely what I shall use given the advice received here and I shall rip with EAC using MP3tag to tag the files. I won't bother with any artwork and shall try and keep everything neat and simple to give the Touch the best chance of smooth operation. Fingers crossed it will work as the external USB drive option is the most attractive feature and the main reason for this purchase. Cheers. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
Mnyb;556967 Wrote: > > ethernet just works, pair it with static addressing of players and > servers and half the router and network could silently go south without > hiccups in the music. Best thing I ever did was run CAT-6 ethernet to every room in my new (old 1918) house. But in a weekend place where I had WIFI problems, I ended up wiring my SB player with MoCa (modem over cable TV wiring). Works nicely. Some use internet over powerline adapters (cheaper I think, but your home wiring needs to be up to snuff). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
Pulling ethernet cable between rooms is less painful than one might think. At least compared to tracing intermittent wifi disturbances and flaky wifi performance that can be a problem in an urban area with dozens of other networks nearby. Or if you live in an old/large house . Wifi takes some fiddling now and then shift channels to keep away from neighbours optimizing antenna placements etc . ethernet just works, pair it with static addressing of players and servers and half the router and network could silently go south without hiccups in the music. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
I have the same problem. The touch is running the internal server, is connected to the internet with a wi-fi connection and play music with an USB HDD My touch loose about 1 minute a day, and the only way I found to resync it is to make a factory reset or to update the firmware. After that, the time is correct but still loosing time... -- indigo indigo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38856 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
badboygolf16v;556779 Wrote: > > What I want to do is set up a system optimized for the Touch sound > quality that is silent in my living room. My proposed system is as > follows. > > - A new low power silent PC in the living room running SBS and Inguz > (with RC this time..) This will be either a Fit PC 2i or home built > mini-ITX Atom D510 with a SSD/USB Flash Drive for OS. Maybe the new > Tranquil PC box if I'm doing well financially. > > - The Touch with a wired connection to the new silent server. > > - A NAS storing my music in another room. This may be a Netgear > WNDR3700 with my existing external HDD plugged in the back. Or a > passively cooled QNAP NAS. > One more component than you need. Forget the NAS for storage. If for some reason you don't want to use the noisy USB drive/enclosure in the same room as the server PC I'd suggest you buy a nice quite 5400RPM drive and use it for music storage inside the server's case. Then use the external USB drive for backups only. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Jumbo Chumby released - Compliments Touch
CF still has one important advantage over SD, large capacities. On SD 32GB cards are only just appearing, on CF they have been available for years. CF has also had 64GB cards easily available for the last 6 months or so. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79871 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup & Getting the best from Touch
Mine's like an F16 on take off at start up then like a cruising 747 after that. -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
It seems to me that Touch playback from USB is in the realms of Forrest Gump's box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. About all you can do is try it & see what happens. Maybe it will work as you want & maybe it won't. Unfortunately nobody, apparently not even Logitech, can provide details of a configuration that is guaranteed to work as you want it to. I tried one with both a mains powered Seagate Freeagent 750GB & a bus powered Samsung S2. The results were identical. Painfully slow scans, random hanging, disjointed playback of playlists & random selections. I'm in the process of trying to return mine. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
