Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
sckramer;538212 Wrote: > those vu meters (or all the graphics) seem a little challenged on their > own... is there room to optimize the graphics layer as we go, is that > the plan :) ? They do look challenged, don't they? The meters are using minimal CPU resources so that they don't break something else. No idea what/if there's a plan to further optimize graphics. I think Logitech is just thankful that the product could be brought to market at this point. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
JohnSwenson;538191 Wrote: > The variability in reports is interesting. I can play 24/96 -8 flacs > from an external server, wired or wireless, VU meters on without any > problems. Stopping, starting, changing files etc. It works perfectly. > Yet others are having problems with -5 files wired without visualizers. > That should be a BIG difference in CPU usage. That seems point to > something else going on other than just flac decoder. > > John S. So to me it seems CPU-bound... When it stutters (analog VUs) top gives me CPU usage (approx values): 72% /usr/bin/jive 10% jive_alsa -d default -c default -b 200 8% jive-alsa -d plughw:2,0 -b 2 -p2 4%[sirq-tasklet/0] 2%[sirq-net-rx/0] 2%[IRQ-57] 2%[IRQ-34] When it does not stutter, the major difference is in /usr/bin/jive which goes down to approx 50% Note in my scenario, when it stutters, it continues to stutter - until I pause, get rid of the VUs, and restart the track... -- ziggyb63 ziggyb63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
slate;538367 Wrote: > > nicoleif;538360 Wrote: > > Only worry is that reencoding to compression level 0 will result in > > reduced sound quality.QUOTE] > > Reencoding from lossless to lossless should not result in reduced sound > > quality. > > > > Reencoding between lossy formats is a no no> > > > "All" my HD music files is in flac so no lossy formats! -- nicoleif nicoleif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
nicoleif;538360 Wrote: > Only worry is that reencoding to compression level 0 will result in > reduced sound quality.QUOTE] > Reencoding from lossless to lossless should not result in reduced sound > quality. > > Reencoding between lossy formats is a no no -- slate Main: Duet -> Beresford Caiman -> Carver A-500x -> B&W 704 Office: Duet -> Technics SU-V50 -> Stax SR84 Pro Server: Zotac IONITX-A, 4 GB, 1 TB WD EADS, Win7 w. 7.6 (SQLite) slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
I have a couple of 24/96 albums downloaded from HDTracks on my Drobo,which is connected directly into the Touch with USB,I have no network.The tracks will play,but If I skip,the track will pause for 2 or more seconds,and the Touch says it is rebuffering.The track will then play fine. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
As stated earlier my setup is cabled and I am rexperiencing minor stutter. Therefore I am cinsidering reencoding my 24/96 collection before it gets too extensive (4 albums). Only worry is that reencoding to compression level 0 will result in reduced sound quality. But if I understand the various posts in this threads this should not be the case, right? -- nicoleif nicoleif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Phil Leigh;538085 Wrote: > Well I've been running TinySC 24/96 flac -8 all day with VU meters on > and not a single stutter after the first 5 minutes... > So, clearly the platform IS capable of performing adequately under > certain circumstances. However it does seem "on the edge" with this > combo. If I skip tracks AND the VU is on I can provoke a brief > stutter.. > USR/BIN/JIVE has crept up to 75% with the VU's on... they seem to > consume 25-30% of the CPU on their own. those vu meters seem a little challenged on their own... is there any room to optimize the graphics layer as we go? -- sckramer Sb touch -- PS Audio DL3 (Cullen level 3) -- PS Audio Trio C-100 (Cullen level 3) -- energy veritas 2.3i -- Martin Logan descent psaudio ac3 power cables -- psaudio duet -- cardas quadlink 5 interconnect -- Transparent digital cable -- audio quest slate spkr cables biwire sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
andyg;538084 Wrote: > The problem is not memory but CPU usage. There is no swap space, so if > you run out of memory things would be killed and you'd more than likely > have a forced reboot. So the speed of FLAC decoding is the problem, not > the amount of memory in use. We more than likely need to look at some > ARM assembler optimizations for the FLAC decoder. See > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361 I'm not so sure about that. When memory gets very tight the memory manager can assign physical memory that is currently occupied by code (instructions) to a new memory request. This does not take swap space because there is already backing store for the code. When that code comes around to being run again a page fault happens and it has to be loaded back into memory from backing store. If things are full some other code area gets used for this. When IT gets run ... This behavior does not cause a crash it just slows things down. Of course the memory manager will try and only give out physical memory used by code that has not been run in a long time. Thus the behavior being seen by some people sort of makes sense: when you first start playing high rez flac files you get some stuttering, but then it tends to go away and you don't have problems from then on even when playing new flac files. Over time things stabilize and the code in memory is what is being used all the time. The above scenario seems to me to be a reasonable possibility for what is happening, thus trying to determine if problems only happen while SBS is resident is important. It may not be what is happening but I think its important to find out if it is or not. Since we are now getting reports from people having problems with no USB or SD attached its definitely pointing towards it not being a memory issue. But there was also a report of hi rez WAV file having problems, that can't be the result of the flac decoder. The variability in reports is interesting. I can play 24/96 -8 flacs from an external server, wired or wireless, VU meters on without any problems. Stopping, starting, changing files etc. It works perfectly. Yet others are having problems with -5 files wired without visualizers. That should be a BIG difference in CPU usage. That seems point to something else going on other than just flac decoder. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Well I've been running TinySC 24/96 flac -8 all day with VU meters on and not a single stutter after the first 5 minutes... So, clearly the platform IS capable of performing adequately under certain circumstances. However it does seem "on the edge" with this combo. If I skip tracks AND the VU is on I can provoke a brief stutter.. USR/BIN/JIVE has crept up to 75% with the VU's on... they seem to consume 25-30% of the CPU on their own. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
The problem is not memory but CPU usage. There is no swap space, so if you run out of memory things would be killed and you'd more than likely have a forced reboot. So the speed of FLAC decoding is the problem, not the amount of memory in use. We more than likely need to look at some ARM assembler optimizations for the FLAC decoder. See http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361 -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Valconi;537877 Wrote: > I have a fully wired network. Wav 24/96 and Flac 24/96 at -0 works > great and fast. Via usb only Flac 0 works, like I said in the previous > post. Wav is very distorted. > The Touch is processing this data that's exactly the same. So my guess > is that the Touch must have the possibility to play the wavfiles > through the usbconnection too. It uses the same memory as when it's > played through the network, I assume. > And is there any chance off improvement on the transferspeed from pc to > TouchUSB? It's very slow at the time. 700 kb/s is all it can do. When running off a USB drive plugged into the Touch you are running the server software on the Touch as well as the player software. This takes up a lot more memory, the result is that it can get into a very low memory situation which can affect the performance of everything. Anything which uses more memory can make the situation worse. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
JohnSwenson;537667 Wrote: > OK, let me see if I have this straight, with an external server playing > 24/96 files works fine, is this using wired or wireless? Does it play > fine any compression level (-0 -5 -8 etc)? > > The problem occurs when playing the 24/96 file off a USB drive > connected directly to the Touch, correct? > > If this is the case its fairly understandable. The builtin server takes > up a lot of memory leaving almost no free memory. My guess is that the > higher level decoding takes a larger chunk of code or larger buffers > which pushes things over the edge. > > The stuttering sounds like there isn't enough memory to hold everything > in memory all at once so the memory manager swapping stuff in and out of > memory as it switches between the server and the player. > > In order to get things to work better you need to cut down on the > memory used, any little bit helps. One thing that takes memory is the > sharing of the USB drive over the network. If you have turned this on, > turn it off and see if that improves things. Also things like don't run > the image viewer at the same time, don't use the spectrum analyzer or VU > meters. If the tracks have artwork you might want to try using the now > playing screen that doesn't show artwork. > > If none of that helps then it looks like your options are to run with > -0 if you want to run with the builtin server, OR run off an external > server. > > IF you are running off an external server (and you don't have a USB > drive plugged in) and you STILL have problems with 24/96 FLAC then we > have some more detective work to do. > > John S. I have a fully wired network and all files, even the wav 24/96 work great and fast. Via usb it doesn't, like I said in the previous post. The Touch is processing all this data that's exactly the same. So my guess is that the Touch must have the possibility to play these files through the usbconnection too. It uses the same memory as when it's played through the network, I assume. -- Valconi Valconi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
JohnSwenson;537727 Wrote: > I'm one of the beta testers, so yes I have a Touch. I've run a lot of > 24/96 on the Touch without a bit of problem, I'm trying to get a handle > on what configuration is causing what problems for people so we can try > and get to the bottom of what is happening and see if its possible to > work out a solution. > > John S. Try this post. I created a basic matrix. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=537048#post537048 -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Ehrm it just so happened that I for some reason had bulked up with a 100m spool of cat5 and an extra switch, pliers rj45's etc. 5 months in advance when I preordered my Touch. 24/96 is not the most common requirement and trowing wifi in to it ? I did not thought that it was really realistic to just hope that it would work flawless. So I wired the lot this Sunday . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
I'm one of the beta testers, so yes I have a Touch. I've run a lot of 24/96 on the Touch without a bit of problem, I'm trying to get a handle on what configuration is causing what problems for people so we can try and get to the bottom of what is happening and see if its possible to work out a solution. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
An external *wired* server.. wifi + WPA PSK decryption uses some juice too.. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
John, Do you have a Touch? There are several threads on the same topic really discussing a lot of these point. I think you have restated many of the issues well. In a nutshell using an external server works best. Obviously, this is not how the Touch was designed to be positioned, but for 24/96 that seems to work best. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
OK, let me see if I have this straight, with an external server playing 24/96 files works fine, is this using wired or wireless? Does it play fine any compression level (-0 -5 -8 etc)? The problem occurs when playing the 24/96 file off a USB drive connected directly to the Touch, correct? If this is the case its fairly understandable. The builtin server takes up a lot of memory leaving almost no free memory. My guess is that the higher level decoding takes a larger chunk of code or larger buffers which pushes things over the edge. The stuttering sounds like there isn't enough memory to hold everything in memory all at once so the memory manager swapping stuff in and out of memory as it switches between the server and the player. In order to get things to work better you need to cut down on the memory used, any little bit helps. One thing that takes memory is the sharing of the USB drive over the network. If you have turned this on, turn it off and see if that improves things. Also things like don't run the image viewer at the same time, don't use the spectrum analyzer or VU meters. If the tracks have artwork you might want to try using the now playing screen that doesn't show artwork. If none of that helps then it looks like your options are to run with -0 if you want to run with the builtin server, OR run off an external server. IF you are running off an external server (and you don't have a USB drive plugged in) and you STILL have problems with 24/96 FLAC then we have some more detective work to do. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
I noticed that wavfiles in 24/96 don't play well when it's coming from a usbstation attached to the Touch. It's strange noise that's coming out. Flac level 8 is to much too. level 5 is to much. Only thing that works is Flac level 0. Strangely enough are all these files working fine via the local network. So the usbconnection to the Touch isn't optimal. It's slower than the network too. I hope this is gonna be fixed. -- Valconi Valconi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
nicoleif;537250 Wrote: > What tool do you use to reencode flac? Anything that encodes flac should work. I use dBpoweramp because it's very easy to batch (re)encoding. -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
What tool do you use to reencode flac? -- nicoleif nicoleif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
pounce;537199 Wrote: > Note he recoded to -0 and it's playing. Wov what is he listening to then is the Touch discarding the other 4ch or did he striped them of or remixed somehow ? I think some tools does that wheter you know or not. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Mnyb;537194 Wrote: > Spot on, finally somebody who reads the tread good spotting :) > > Touch is Stereo device try a 2ch file Note he recoded to -0 and it's playing. Valconi;537074 Wrote: > I reencoded the file to 0 and it plays fine now. What level is the best > quality btw? And with what program can I reencode best? I did it with > FLAC Frontend now. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Peter314;537190 Wrote: > Might this contribute to the problem..? Spot on, finally somebody who reads the tread good spotting :) Touch is Stereo device try a 2ch file -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Valconi;537050 Wrote: > ... > Channel(s) : 6 channels > ... Might this contribute to the problem..? -- Peter314 Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Valconi;537074 Wrote: > I reencoded the file to 0 and it plays fine now. What level is the best > quality btw? And with what program can I reencode best? I did it with > FLAC Frontend now. Compress at -5. The audio is the same no matter what level is used. File size and CPU usage are the major differences. As the file size gets smaller the CPU needs sky rocket. -5 is a good compromise. Also in my opinion, compressing past -5 really doesn't save enough additional space to justify all the extra CPU processing needed. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
If you are on windows you can use flac front end to have a interface. dBpoweramp music converter, thats a good program. And foobar2000 I supose. and many others For reconverting flacs and wavs i already have i use "terminal" yes a command prompt or soundconverter (I'm on Ubuntu ) . Ripping is another topic I of-course use FLAC for my 16/44.1 too But as phil said they all use the same flac.exe or flac.dll in the background. Just try have the newest one, so you don't end up with an ancient version. Or why not visit the http://flac.sourceforge.net/ homepage to grab some info. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
If you are on windows you can use flac front end to have a interface. dBpoweramp music converter, thats a good program. And foobar2000 I supose. and many others For reconverting flacs and wavs i already have i use "terminal" yes a command prompt or soundconverter (I'm on Ubuntu ) . Ripping is another topic I of-course use FLAC for my 16/44.1 too But as phil said they all use the same flac.exe or flac.dll in the background. Just try have the newest one, so you don't end up with an ancient version. Or why not visit the http://flac.sourceforge.net/ homepage to grab some info. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Valconi;537085 Wrote: > And what about the program used for this? ? - FLAC is encoded using THE flac encoder library - they are ALL the same... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
And what about the program used for this? -- Valconi Valconi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Valconi;537074 Wrote: > I reencoded the file to 0 and it plays fine now. What level is the best > quality btw? And with what program can I reencode best? I did it with > FLAC Frontend now. Sound quality is exactly the same it's lossless. However a level -0 file is slightly bigger than -8 So it's compression rate: -0 Minimum compression -5 default -8 "Best" I use -5 but I have an external server So the file will be bigger but easier to decode. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Valconi;537074 Wrote: > I reencoded the file to 0 and it plays fine now. What level is the best > quality btw? And with what program can I reencode best? I did it with > FLAC Frontend now. AUDIO Quality is identical at all levels - only the file size is different... -8 is the smallest by a tiny margin (but most CPU intensive) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
I reencoded the file to 0 and it plays fine now. What level is the best quality btw? -- Valconi Valconi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
pounce;537063 Wrote: > Are you also using SPDIF at 100% volume? Yes of course... why? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
pounce;537051 Wrote: > When you state this you should also state your specific configuration. I > don't think you are using the internal SBS on the Touch from attached > storage. > > You are also not stating your FLAC compression level. > > Without being specific stating it "Handles it just fine" is not helpful > because there are well known cases where it is not working well. We just > need to be specific so we can help other users and the developers > resolve any issues. My configuration is: Touch XP SP3, SBS 7.6, all wired (because Wi-Fi is NOT a proper network) FLAC at level -5 (because -8 eats CPU for almost no worthwhile disk space saving). This hasn't changed for over 12 months and has been completely stable. I did run the Touch wireless for a while and had no problems either. FLAC @ -8 and 24/96 is/can be an issue for the Transporter as well as the Touch... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Phil Leigh;537045 Wrote: > Handles it just fine. I've got over 300 24/96 albums that play perfectly > - not "stuttering". When you state this you should also state your specific configuration. I don't think you are using the internal SBS on the Touch from attached storage. You are also not stating your FLAC compression level. Without being specific stating it "Handles it just fine" is not helpful because there are well known cases where it is not working well. We just need to be specific so we can help other users and the developers resolve any issues. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Ah - is this FLAC file compressed at -8 ? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Well, its on a usbstation attached directly to the Touch. This is information about the file. Format : FLAC Format/Info : Free Lossless Audio Codec File size: 349 MiB Duration : 6mn 28s Overall bit rate : 7 532 Kbps Album: Metallica Track name : Nothing Else Matters Track name/Position : 08 Performer: Metallica Recorded date: 1992 Cover: Yes Cover type : Cover (front) Cover MIME : image/png Comment : Encoded by FLAC v1.1.4a with FLAC Frontend v1.7.1 WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE_CHANNEL_MAS : 0x003F Audio Format : FLAC Format/Info : Free Lossless Audio Codec Duration : 6mn 28s Bit rate mode: Variable Bit rate : 7 531 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Sampling rate: 96.0 KHz Resolution : 24 bits Stream size : 349 MiB (100%) Writing library : libFLAC 1.2.1 (UTC 2007-09-17) -- Valconi Valconi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Valconi;536992 Wrote: > I didn't buy the Touch for these kind of files in the first place, but I > wanted to try it out. I have a 350mb track (FLAC)of metallica in > 24bits/96hz and the Touch can't handle it. It plays the track, but it > stutters like crazy. The touch is overwhelmed with data what results in > stuttering. How is this possible when Logitech assumes that it can > handle these kind of tracks. Handles it just fine. I've got over 300 24/96 albums that play perfectly - not "stuttering". Sounds like you have a problem with your network or server machine. If you'd like some help fixing that please give us more information about your setup. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Try wired connection, nigth and day difference. Or reflac to -0 and turn of VU meters or Eq visualizer -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Try this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
Try this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] 24bits/96hz is stuttering like crazy
I didn't buy the Touch for these kind of files in the first place, but I wanted to try it out. I have a 350mb track (FLAC)of metallica in 24bits/96hz and the Touch can't handle it. It plays the track, but it stutters like crazy. The touch is overwhelmed with data what results in stuttering. How is this possible when Logitech assumes that it can handle these kind of tracks. -- Valconi Valconi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
