Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
DaveKen;614884 Wrote: > In my loft, in good working order when I put it there aeons ago, I have > what was called a 'portable' by Compaq, the maker but was referred to > as 'luggable' by the poor souls like me that had to take it around with > them. It had one (or two, I can't remember) 5" floppy drives, a keyboard > that acted as a base when being moved, and a little monochrome green CRT > screen. Probably qualifies for antique status now. > Cheers, > Dave. I had one. And I was so impressed that I could actually carry a computer around that was such a small size. ;-) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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In my loft, in good working order when I put it there aeons ago, I have what was called a 'portable' by Compaq, the maker but was referred to as 'luggable' by the poor souls like me that had to take it around with them. It had one (or two, I can't remember) 5" floppy drives, a keyboard that acted as a base when being moved, and a little monochrome green CRT screen. Probably qualifies for antique status now. Cheers, Dave. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Not only do I have some 8" floppies around here I even have an 8" drive, but nothing I can plug it into. The computer that drive came out of died a long time ago. I think the drive still actually works, but I can't try it out. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Dogberry2;614533 Wrote: > The first floppy disks I worked with were 8 inch (and truly floppy). I > suppose that makes me old too, though I prefer to use the term > "experienced". ;) You can be "senior technical adviser" or "executive producer" to ;) I'm slowly gravitating towards the expert category in my line of work (you have done it to long do something else ) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Dogberry2;614533 Wrote: > The first floppy disks I worked with were 8 inch (and truly floppy). I > suppose that makes me old too, though I prefer to use the term > "experienced". ;) actually me too... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;613403 Wrote: > 5.25 floppy or 3.5 semi-rigid... The first floppy disks I worked with were 8 inch (and truly floppy). I suppose that makes me old too, though I prefer to use the term "experienced". ;) -- Dogberry2 Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;612837 Wrote: > You mean floppy? 5.25 floppy or 3.5 semi-rigid... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;612226 Wrote: > These folks are almost certainly one diskette short of a full install... You mean floppy? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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What if the "cloud" only included the crappy remixes/re-recordings that I find on Amazon sometimes? What really sucks is that you can't listen to the entire track to discern if this is truly the version you are looking for. Usually your only line of defense is to read user reviews of albums to see if they are crying "foul" over the integrity of the songs on the CD/MP3 album/whatever. Of course not every album is going to have user reviews...I've been there. Also, as someone pointed out, who wants to be stuck buying or downloading overly-compressed music? I only use Amazon for hard-to-find single tracks, usually for compilation albums that I create on my external HDDs. I gladly use HD Tracks when something I really want pops up in their catalog. Alas, the popularity of the MP3 has made that a less than viable alternative most of the time. Returning to Guido F's original post; indeed, the Touch has been a revelation. I used to have all of my CD booklets packed into three extremely heavy CD folders. All were in alphabetical order, and were numbered by disc. While this made it easier to pick CDs from my 300 disc player, grabbing my iPod Touch and loading iPeng makes it pretty much the ideal way to listen to music. -- starfury starfury's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37465 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Music in the cloud will be a clean sanitized disney thing. You will end up with no controll off your own. I'm just waithing for when history and science will falsified on mass scale in the cloud, rigth now it's only editing wars on wikipedia with creationist jihadist and other nutcases. Wonder when goverments is going to improve their image by bettering historicall facts ;) fiol cap on welcome to the twilligth zone... -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;612209 Wrote: > No one here is suggesting that you store your files ONLY in the cloud. But that's exactly what a growing number of people do. I know several of them. And they do not store "a poor old FLAC file containing some noodling on electric guitar" or some "inane little files", but ALL of their data in the Cloud. That's what I'm talking about... And the www already was shut down in several countries before, last example was Egypt. And in the US a politician (forgot his name) asked for a "kill-switch" for the Internet (was reported in the mainstream). Same does the German minister Schäuble. And look what's going on in several eastern European countries right now and how the EU turns, little step by little step, into a dictatorship, etc. etc. It looks like you can't accept any other opinion but your own. As soon as someone disagrees with you you seem to be urged to use the f-word and you try to ridicule what others say. Have your way, boy, be rude and ridicule others... it's your own choice... and before I forget: dream on on your little rosy cloud. -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Henry66;612248 Wrote: > 'Your age is showing.' > (http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for) > :) I know - I've given up... Perhaps I should have said "one bit short of a perfect short of a perfect stream" :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;612226 Wrote: > one diskette short of a full install...'Your age is showing.' (http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for) :) -- Henry66 Henry66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;612209 Wrote: > OK, so I record a track with my band, mix it down, and master it as a > FLAC file. I make a safety backup copy (make that four or five copies, > one burnt on a CD, another one burnt on a DVD, another one stored on > the external hard drive at home, the other one on an external hard > drive in the office, etc.), and also store my backup of that FLAC file > in the cloud. Are you now saying that the vendor (Amazon) can hand my > data over to a corrupt government. So fucking what? What's a corrupt > government to do with a poor old FLAC file containing some noodling on > electric guitar? > > Let's get real here for a moment. No one, and particularly not some > corrupt government or some fucked up terrorists, give a shit about the > inane little files that we create and store somewhere. And if the > vendor goes belly up, I still have my files stored on CDs, DVDs, hard > drives, etc. > > No one here is suggesting that you store your files ONLY in the cloud. > > If politicians decide to shut down the entire www and then rape our > wives and kidnap our children? You paint a pretty bleak picture. I'm > sure that right now you have about 1,800 pounds of canned beans stashed > in your bunker. Do you have enough ammunition to last you while the > zombies are roaming the earth? When are you finally going to make that > call and run for the hills? This post made me chuckle. One thing though - there are some folks - not necessarily on this thread - who seriously are suggesting that the Cloud may not be just a backup... These folks are almost certainly one diskette short of a full install... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Soundman;612029 Wrote: > You are probably right, but nevertheless I will NEVER use the "cloud" > for many reasons. To name just a few: Why should I intrust my precious > data to a vendor? Even if he's reputable there might work some "bad" > people there who missuse your data. What if such a vendor suddenly > decides to shut the service down or goes bankrupt? What if the vendor > hands your data over to a corrupted government? What if politicians > decide to shut down the entire www? Hundreds of questions arise here. > From my point of view it's far safer to store your data privately. The > "cloud" is just another step into the direction of total control over > you, because you become dependant and get into a situation which you > can't control at all! OK, so I record a track with my band, mix it down, and master it as a FLAC file. I make a safety backup copy (make that four or five copies, one burnt on a CD, another one burnt on a DVD, another one stored on the external hard drive at home, the other one on an external hard drive in the office, etc.), and also store my backup of that FLAC file in the cloud. Are you now saying that the vendor (Amazon) can hand my data over to a corrupt government. So fucking what? What's a corrupt government to do with a poor old FLAC file containing some noodling on electric guitar? Let's get real here for a moment. No one, and particularly not some corrupt government or some fucked up terrorists, give a shit about the inane little files that we create and store somewhere. And if the vendor goes belly up, I still have my files stored on CDs, DVDs, hard drives, etc. No one here is suggesting that you store your files ONLY in the cloud. If politicians decide to shut down the entire www and then rape our wives and kidnap our children? You paint a pretty bleak picture. I'm sure that right now you have about 1,800 pounds of canned beans stashed in your bunker. Do you have enough ammunition to last you while the zombies are roaming the earth? When are you finally going to make that call and run for the hills? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;611583 Wrote: > In this day and age, computing has turned into commodity (similar to how > electric power and indoor plumbing have become a commodity, something we > all take as given and simply continue paying monthly charges for using > these commodities). The prices are eroding left, right and centre. And > they're continuing to erode. The prices of Amazon's services have been > on a constant down slide, and the trend will not only continue, it will > accelerate. > > I predict that, in not too distant future, it will be financially > feasible for common households to store the backup of their precious > digital media in the cloud, with a reputable vendor (or, with a select > few reputable vendors). financially feasible - yes I think you may be correct wise... nah - no chance. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Soundman;612029 Wrote: > You are probably right, but nevertheless I will NEVER use the "cloud" > for many reasons. To name just a few: Why should I intrust my precious > data to a vendor? Even if he's reputable there might work some "bad" > people there who missuse your data. What if such a vendor suddenly > decides to shut the service down or goes bankrupt? What if the vendor > hands your data over to a corrupted government? What if politicians > decide to shut down the entire www? Hundreds of questions arise here. > From my point of view it's far safer to store your data privately. The > "cloud" is just another step into the direction of total control over > you, because you become dependant and get into a situation which you > can't control at all! And, to add to the list, what about acts of terrorism or, God forbid, war? On the other hand, cloud storage as an extra layer of backup in addition to personal backups may have its role, if not too expensive. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;611583 Wrote: > > I predict that, in not too distant future, it will be financially > feasible for common households to store the backup of their precious > digital media in the cloud, with a reputable vendor (or, with a select > few reputable vendors). You are probably right, but nevertheless I will NEVER use the "cloud" for many reasons. To name just a few: Why should I intrust my precious data to a vendor? Even if he's reputable there might work some "bad" people there who missuse your data. What if such a vendor suddenly decides to shut the service down or goes bankrupt? What if the vendor hands your data over to a corrupted government? What if politicians decide to shut down the entire www? Hundreds of questions arise here. >From my point of view it's far safer to store your data privately. The "cloud" is just another step into the direction of total control over you, because you become dependant and get into a situation which you can't control at all! -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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This new radio has changed my style of life. I hardly even watch T.V. anymore which is saying a lot for a guy like me. I can only imagine what the next few years is going to bring as far as apps and upgrades. One thing is for sure, now that I have wi-fi radio I will never go back! -- phildeeze phildeeze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44132 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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jean2;611572 Wrote: > You get what you pay for, as usual. Even S3 has different term of > services depending on price, so it has nothing to do with how big the > business is. However, the casual user won't be paying for s3 and its > strong guarantees, but will gravitate towards the free or almost free > services which clearly won't have the same guarantees. > > Jean In this day and age, computing has turned into commodity (similar to how electric power and indoor plumbing have become a commodity, something we all take as given and simply continue paying monthly charges for using these commodities). The prices are eroding left, right and centre. And they're continuing to erode. The prices of Amazon's services have been on a constant down slide, and the trend will not only continue, it will accelerate. I predict that, in not too distant future, it will be financially feasible for common households to store the backup of their precious digital media in the cloud, with a reputable vendor (or, with a select few reputable vendors). -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;611290 Wrote: > I disagree. Amazon is a big business, and they can't afford to be lax > with losing client's data. Read their S3 service level agreement -- it > is rock solid. You get what you pay for, as usual. Even S3 has different term of services depending on price, so it has nothing to do with how big the business is. However, the casual user won't be paying for s3 and its strong guarantees, but will gravitate towards the free or almost free services which clearly won't have the same guarantees. Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;611290 Wrote: > I disagree. Amazon is a big business, and they can't afford to be lax > with losing client's data. Read their S3 service level agreement -- it > is rock solid. Am I reading this properly. 1TB of data would cost me $140 per month? http://aws.amazon.com/s3/#pricing -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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jean2;611283 Wrote: > I never lost data on my set of HDD, but I'm careful (RAID + rsync). On > the other hand, "the cloud" (a very popular photo sharing site) has > already lost some of my data, and calling them was totally useless (we > will check the backup), fortunately it was still on my HDD. > > There are also stories of people loosing e-mail. I believe those > incidents are under-reported, because most people don't even have the > tools to realise data loss unless it's totally catastrophic. If one of > your unpopular album would be missing from your collection, I bet most > people would not notice or would assume it was never there. > > If you check, you will realise that "the cloud" makes absolutely no > promises about the safety and reliability of the storage of your data. > It's all about convenience. > > Jean I disagree. Amazon is a big business, and they can't afford to be lax with losing client's data. Read their S3 service level agreement -- it is rock solid. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;611108 Wrote: > If the latter, the question becomes: am I going to keep that digitized > music on my crash-prone HD, or in the cloud? I never lost data on my set of HDD, but I'm careful (RAID + rsync). On the other hand, "the cloud" (a very popular photo sharing site) has already lost some of my data, and calling them was totally useless (we will check the backup), fortunately it was still on my HDD. There are also stories of people loosing e-mail. I believe those incidents are under-reported, because most people don't even have the tools to realise data loss unless it's totally catastrophic. If one of your unpopular album would be missing from your collection, I bet most people would blame themselves. If you check, you will realise that the "cloud" makes absolutely no promises about the safety and reliability of the storage of your data. It's all about convenience. Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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guidof;611278 Wrote: > Hi Rick: > > Thanks for the additional information. > > The evidence seems to be that this is just, as you put it, a "cosmetic" > issue. > > On 24/96 material, the Touch's digital output sounds better than > anything I heard on my system. Even on 16/44.1, it tends to improve > over the sound of CDs played on the CA 840C. > > Guido F.I was amazed how things sounded the other night, I agree, best I have heard. I was going to do a comparison with the CD, but then said the heck with it and continued to enjoy ... -- Rick58 Bits: Azur 840C, Oppo 980H, SB Touch; Squiggles: Thorens TD-145 + Denon DL160; Pre-Heater: McIntosh C220; Heaters: Bottlehead Paramount 300B; Wavemakers: Triangle Titus, NHT SubOne Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Rick58;611192 Wrote:
> Guido, thanks for the reply. Good to know things are 'as they should (or
> in this case not) be'. The Oppo will put out various bit depth/sample
> rates depending on the disc. Some have copy protection (I think most
> commercial DVDs and DVD-As) where it is limited. The one case where I
> saw 24/96 was with one I got from a friend of his own recordings,
> burned to disc himself. These were DVD-V files, I think ... (??? all
> this is confusing to me).
>
> I have seen everything from ("<=" sometimes) 20/96, 24/48, 16/96, and
> even 16/192 out of the Oppo on various discs.
>
> Anyway, http://support.cambridgeaudio.com/faqs_view.php?FAQID=163
> discusses the 840C (which supposedly only displays what the device
> 'reports') and
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 is about the Touch
> 'bug'.
>
> Doesn't sound like Logitech is going to put any effort into fixing it,
> since it's "only cosmetic". Oh well.
>
> I think we can be assured that the Touch is actually putting out 24/96
> (or whatever is being streamed, if less). Stereophile and Computer
> Audiophile have both published measurements verifying the 24 bit output
> on the SPDIF optical/RCA connections.
>
> Check out
> http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Review
> (scroll down into the comments section for someone posting
> measurements).
Hi Rick:
Thanks for the additional information.
The evidence seems to be that this is just, as you put it, a "cosmetic"
issue.
On 24/96 material, the Touch's digital output sounds better than
anything I heard on my system. Even on 16/44.1, it tends to improve
over the sound of CDs played on the CA 840C.
Guido F.
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guidof;611179 Wrote:
> Hi Rick:
>
> I'm hooked up wireless.
>
> Yes, my CA 840C also displays "<=20/96" when streaming 24/96 files from
> my Touch.
>
> But when streaming a 24/96 DVD Audio played on my Oppo (980H), the 840C
> reads <24/48!
>
> The 840C manual states somewhat cryptically that "rather than exact
> word width, some sources report data as either 20 bit maximum . . . or
> 24 bit maximum."
>
> Looks like the 840C display is not accurate in either case.
>
> Guido F.Guido, thanks for the reply. Good to know things are 'as they should
> (or
in this case not) be'. The Oppo will put out various bit depth/sample
rates depending on the disc. Some have copy protection (I think most
commercial DVDs and DVD-As) where it is limited. The one case where I
saw 24/96 was with one I got from a friend of his own recordings,
burned to disc himself. These were DVD-V files, I think ... (??? all
this is confusing to me).
I have seen everything from ("<=" sometimes) 20/96, 24/48, 16/96, and
even 16/192 out of the Oppo on various discs.
Anyway, http://support.cambridgeaudio.com/faqs_view.php?FAQID=163
discusses the 840C (which supposedly only displays what the device
'reports') and
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 is about the Touch
'bug'.
Doesn't sound like Logitech is going to put any effort into fixing it,
since it's "only cosmetic". Oh well.
I think we can be assured that the Touch is actually putting out 24/96
(or whatever is being streamed, if less). Stereophile and Computer
Audiophile have both published measurements verifying the 24 bit output
on the SPDIF optical/RCA connections.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
Rick58;611170 Wrote: > > > BTW, Guido, wondering what is displayed on your 840C when playing thru > the Touch? and if you are going wireless or using Ethernet? (altho I > don't think it would make a difference in what the 840C displays). > > Mine shows "<=20/96" even when streaming 24/96 files, and "<=20/44.1" > when streaming CD-sourced (Apple lossless) files. There is an issue > with the 840C and 'status bits' sent from the source ... > > When connected to my Oppo 980H the same files (burned to and played on > a DVD) read "24/96". > > TIA, - Rick. Hi Rick: I'm hooked up wireless. Yes, my CA 840C also displays "<=20/96" when streaming 24/96 files from my Touch. But when streaming a 24/96 DVD Audio played on my Oppo, the 840C reads <24/48! The 840C manual states somewhat cryptically that "rather than exact word width, some sources report data as either 20 bit maximum . . . or 24 bit maximum." Looks like the 840C display is not accurate in either case. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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guidof;610846 Wrote: > About the Squeezebox Touch: > > I haven't had this much fun with an audio gizmo since the Hafler Matrix > (anyone still remembers that one?). > > First with the Touch out of the box, then with Soundcheck's mods, then > with rediscovering some forgotten CDs as I (slowly) rip my entire > collection, and finally with being able to listen to 24/96 downloads, > it has been a musically exhilarating few months since the Touch has > lived in my system. > > And all of this for $300! > > So much music, so little time . . . > > Guido F.I agree completely! I have listened more to my system since I got the Touch (a couple weeks ago) since I don't know when. I listened to some 'old' stuff the other night, sounded amazing. I think I have added/upgraded several components since I last listened to it. Guess I should listen to the CD and do a comparison ... nah! sounds great thru the Touch (wireless streaming and all), why bother? BTW, Guido, wondering what is displayed on your 840C when playing thru the Touch? and if you are going wireless or using Ethernet? (altho I don't think it would make a difference in what the 840C displays). Mine shows "<=20/96" even when streaming 24/96 files, and "<=20/44.1" when streaming CD-sourced (Apple lossless) files. There is an issue with the 840C and 'status bits' sent from the source ... When connected to my Oppo 980H the same files (burned to and played on a DVD) read "24/96". TIA, - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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mlsstl;611147 Wrote: > I like Amazon, too, but they are still a big corporation and big > corporations (as well as governments) do flaky things from time to > time. Remember the George Orwell "1984" incident about a year & a half > ago? Amazon found they sold a Kindle edition of the book they shouldn't > have and they went out and literally erased everyone's copy. That made a > real big stink, and certainly there was no little irony due to the book > involved. > > Like noted above, I'd probably use a personal cloud if the concept > takes off, but you'd still have a hard time prying my fingers off my > local copies. Absolutely, and that's the only way to go about it. Just because you rip your CDs to your hard drive, doesn't mean that you should now toss the CDs on a bon fire. The prudent way is not to put all one's eggs in only one basket. Right now, I have my music stored on the original CDs, on my computer, on 4 external hard drives (2 at home, 2 in the office), plus some music in the cloud as well (Amazon, DropBox, and some other services). The odds that all these multiple copies will one day disappear at the same time in a puff of smoke are astronomically minimal. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;611135 Wrote: > By 'in the cloud' I meant more like your own private portion of the > 'cloud'. For example, I have an Amazon S3 account, which allows me to > store my digital media on my private 'cloud' and stream it anywhere in > the world. So I don't care whether that content is available publicly > or not (as in on Netflix); this is my content, the one I've obtained > and am storing it in a safe, protected area. I like Amazon, too, but they are still a big corporation and big corporations (as well as governments) do flaky things from time to time. Remember the George Orwell "1984" incident about a year & a half ago? Amazon found they sold a Kindle edition of the book they shouldn't have and they went out and literally erased everyone's copy. That made a real big stink, and certainly there was no little irony due to the book involved. Like noted above, I'd probably use a personal cloud if the concept takes off, but you'd still have a hard time prying my fingers off my local copies. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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mlsstl;611123 Wrote: > I'd point out that if the cloud truly takes shape as some envision, > it'll be there whether I consent or not, and it'll be there whether I > hang onto my own collection or not. > > I certainly don't mind "them" putting the cloud out there. If it were > present, I'd probably use it to some degree, just as I enjoy watching > films through my Roku player. > > Actually that's a pretty good example. There are some very interesting > things to watch via the Roku, but there is a mountain of material that > isn't likely to be available anytime soon. On Saturday we watched a BBC > "Mrs. Bradley" episode with Diana Rigg via Amazon/Roku. Of the 5 > episodes created, only one is available streamed. Why? I can only > guess, but I'd suspect it is one of the reasons mentioned earlier. By 'in the cloud' I meant more like your own private portion of the 'cloud'. For example, I have an Amazon S3 account, which allows me to store my digital media on my private 'cloud' and stream it anywhere in the world. So I don't care whether that content is available publicly or not (as in on Netflix); this is my content, the one I've obtained and am storing it in a safe, protected area. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;611108 Wrote: > If the latter, the question becomes: am I going to keep that digitized > music on my crash-prone HD, or in the cloud? I'd point out that if the cloud truly takes shape as some envision, it'll be there whether I consent or not, and it'll be there whether I hang onto my own collection or not. I certainly don't mind "them" putting the cloud out there. If it were present, I'd probably use it to some degree, just as I enjoy watching films through my Roku player. Actually that's a pretty good example. There are some very interesting things to watch via the Roku, but there is a mountain of material that isn't likely to be available anytime soon. On Saturday we watched a BBC "Mrs. Bradley" episode with Diana Rigg via Amazon/Roku. Of the 5 episodes created, only one is available streamed. Why? I can only guess, but I'd suspect it is one of the reasons mentioned earlier. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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mlsstl;611082 Wrote: > I don't know... I'm inherently suspicious of leaving my collection > completely in the hands of others. It sounds nice if you say it fast, > but consider the following examples. > > Remember the abomination of colorized B&W movies? I'm sure they thought > they were doing us a great favor. It was very hard to find an original > version during this period. > > What happens when the only version in the cloud of your favorite song > is the over-compressed remixed loudness wars casualty? > > Copyright holders are notorious about changing their minds. Someone > only needs to wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and > you'll find material from a favorite artist gone. I can remember a > period when the great Marx Bros. comedies were virtually non-existent. > My wife - a Jimmy Spheeris fan - saw his stuff disappear for a period > due to copyright issues. At one point used CDs were around $100 a pop. > Even today the out-of-print "The Dragon Is Dancing" CD is $40 used as > the price came down since you can download the album if an MP3 is > acceptable. > > I just finished the book "The Master Switch" by Tim Wu which looks at > the history of technology and communications starting with the > telegraph. Consistently for the past 150 years, things have repeatedly > cycled toward monopoly control with others deciding what we should > hear/see and when. > > I think I'll hang onto my stuff for a while longer ;-) After watching the Grammy Awards last night, it became apparent that I need not worry about what happens to the music being recorded these days. It's all pointless drivel, so why bother? The music I'm really interested in listening to is readily available in a digitized format. The issue now becomes one of convenience: am I going to access that material by thumbing through the pile of poorly organized physical discs (only to realize an hour later that I've borrowed that particular CD I was looking for to a friend), or am I going to dial the music I'm interested in on my iPhone and then stream it to my main audio system? If the latter, the question becomes: am I going to keep that digitized music on my crash-prone HD, or in the cloud? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Henry66;610944 Wrote: > I hope to live long enough to see the demise of physical media for music > and video. Everything in "the cloud". Resistance is futile. I don't know... I'm inherently suspicious of leaving my collection completely in the hands of others. It sounds nice if you say it fast, but consider the following examples. Remember the abomination of colorized B&W movies? I'm sure they thought they were doing us a great favor. It was very hard to find an original version during this period. What happens when the only version in the cloud of your favorite song is the over-compressed remixed loudness wars casualty? Copyright holders are notorious about changing their minds. Someone only needs to wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and you'll find material from a favorite artist gone. I can remember a period when the great Marx Bros. comedies were virtually non-existent. My wife - a Jimmy Spheeris fan - saw his stuff disappear for a period due to copyright issues. At one point used CDs were around $100 a pop. Even today the out-of-print "The Dragon Is Dancing" CD is $40 used as the price came down since you can download the album if an MP3 is acceptable. I just finished the book "The Master Switch" by Tim Wu which looks at the history of technology and communications starting with the telegraph. Consistently for the past 150 years, things have repeatedly cycled toward monopoly control with others deciding what we should hear/see and when. I think I'll hang onto my stuff for a while longer ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Henry66;610944 Wrote: > Heh :) > > I meant no disrespect. I am old enough to assume that everyone I meet > on the Internet is younger than me. > > I hope to live long enough to see the demise of physical media for > music and video. Everything in "the cloud". Resistance is futile. No offense taken. Some of us oldies have been with the Internet since the days of the ARPA Network and welcome "the cloud" in the audio world if it means better sound for less money and clutter. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Henry66;610927 Wrote: > You people must be old? > > I converted to 100% CD's in 1990. "Old" is a relative term. I feel fairly young next to my mother, who is almost 84. I started my record collecting in the mid 1960s. In the late 1960s I acquired an open reel and ended up with more than a few original items on tape along with some copies of studio masters. In those cases, you either convert or lose them. I found the process rather enjoyable overall, plus it was always exciting to rediscover a lost gem. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Heh :) I meant no disrespect. I am old enough to assume that everyone I meet on the Internet is younger than me. I hope to live long enough to see the demise of physical media for music and video. Everything in "the cloud". Resistance is futile. -- Henry66 Henry66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Henry66;610927 Wrote: > You people must be old? > > Yes. And, with luck, eventually you will be too . . . Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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mlsstl;610874 Wrote: > I discovered a few things I didn't even know I owned! That's so true!!! I did that as well!!! So it's not just me. -- asdti asdti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Tony T;610850 Wrote: > Agreed, but instead of only ripping CD's, I also ripped my entire vinyl > collection (vey sloowly). It took me about 9 years to completely convert my LP and open reel collection. It is a lot of fun to revisit one's own stuff. I discovered a few things I didn't even know I owned! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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