Re: [TV orNotTV] Nick Series Gets Hit With 'Intern Justice'

2013-06-27 Thread Kevin M. 
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Joe Coughlin  wrote:
> But the questions are these: are you being used to do work that would
> otherwise go to someone they studio would pay and who does the internship
> favor? It should favor the intern, not the studio.

An intern is an extra set of hands around a studio or production
office, which benefits both the intern and the facility where he/she
works

> Your internship was valuable. You didn't sit in a bullpen until a PA told
> you to go on a Starbucks run or run off to the copy center to wait for
> copies all day and shuttle them back and forth.

Sometimes that was exactly what my internship was. Making copies.
Buying liquor for the post-show parties I wasn't invited to. Other
times I was able to do more interesting/involved things. I happened to
have had genuine practical engineering experience in college, so
eventually the guy at CNBC West who did most of the in-house
engineering let me tinker a bit once I showed him I knew what a
waveform and vectorscope were for. But at first I did little more than
answer phones and try to learn through the osmosis of a cable news
network office and studio. The hours were insane, the traffic sucked,
and that's the way every internship I've ever heard about in Hollywood
is described.

> But this is the kind of
> bullshit that happens sometimes. Big business shouldn't be allowed to
> exploit eager college kids like that. Will it mean fewer internships? Yes,
> but it will lead to higher quality internships, I believe.

It'll lead to fewer internships and, worse, leave more college kids
struggling to find work. Look, for me, my internship was my foot in
the door. From my summer at CNBC I established connections and was
later hired as an NBC Page where I expanded my network, then continued
making connections and ultimately worked for five solid years on
nearly 50 different TV shows without a break. I was atypical because I
wanted to do the whole Hollywood thing. Most of my classmates at my
college in Washington state remained in the state and took really
crappy internships with the local affiliates, where there was little
to do but the aforementioned coffee retrieval. But the value for them
was the same as mine -- establishing industry connections. Many of my
friends who took crappy local TV internships 20 years ago are now
senior anchors and producers and directors of those same local
stations. An internship in the entertainment industry isn't going to
be glamorous, and rarely will it involve more than three active brain
cells until the intern builds a relationship of trust with those
around him/her. The hours will be long, the work boring and pedantic,
and when you graduate to your first paying job in Hollywood, the hours
will be long and the the work will be boring and pedantic. But you
build upon it. Or you say "fuck it" and join the Peace Corps like I
ultimately did.




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Re: [TV orNotTV] Nick Series Gets Hit With 'Intern Justice'

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Coughlin 
But the questions are these: are you being used to do work that would
otherwise go to someone they studio would pay and who does the internship
favor? It should favor the intern, not the studio.

Your internship was valuable. You didn't sit in a bullpen until a PA told
you to go on a Starbucks run or run off to the copy center to wait for
copies all day and shuttle them back and forth. But this is the kind of
bullshit that happens sometimes. Big business shouldn't be allowed to
exploit eager college kids like that. Will it mean fewer internships? Yes,
but it will lead to higher quality internships, I believe.


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> When I first heard about this, I went on Facebook and messaged my
> former boss Michael, who hired me as an intern at CNBC in Burbank back
> in the 1990s where I worked with Tom Snyder and Geraldo Rivera, and
> was deeply entrenched in the OJ Trial, and had enough experiences to
> last ten lifetimes. I told Michael, "I know I agreed to intern for you
> for free (well, for college credit) 20 years ago, and I know it was a
> beneficial experience for which I am eternally grateful, but
> apparently you owe me money so cough it up or I'll see you in court."
> He promptly told me to stick it, as well he should. And if Tom Snyder
> were alive today and I demanded money for interning on his show, he'd
> have kicked my ass up and down the block... and televised it.
>
> In the business we call show, you know going into an internship that
> all you will get is practical experience (sometimes college credit, as
> in my case). No money. Never money. If you are paid money, it is a
> job, not an internship. These lawsuits and the cry babies who file
> them and/or collect on them tick me off. And the pissants who collect
> the money will NEVER work in the industry again except maybe as
> fluffers in valley porn. As for the long hours, in Hollywood runners
> are paid a day wage. Doesn't matter how many hours -- some days I
> worked 20 hour days, and on a few blessed instances my days were less
> than 90 minutes long. But typically the days seemed to average 16 to
> 18 hours, and you as a young kid in Hollywood have to decide if it is
> worth it. But once you decide, you do the stinking job. If they
> promise to pay you but then don't, as one deceased famous face's
> production company did to me, that's a different story. But all this
> nonsense about interns needing to be paid is just... well... nonsense.
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
> > Attorney Maurice Planko, who has been busy representing TV and movie
> interns
> > suing for lost wages in exchange for long days under his "Intern Justice"
> > program, has filed on behalf of Kevin Hicks, who worked repeated 10-16
> hour
> > days on the Nicktoons live action series (gosh, just like Cartoon
> Network)
> > "Alien Dawn" and should be paid for his work--just earlier this month,
> two
> > interns who worked on the film "Black Swan" were ruled by a NY court that
> > they should receive pay for their work:
> >
> >
> http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/intern-lawsuit-filed-against-nickelodeon-production-alien-dawn-100271
> >
> > This I can agree with--what's bugging me is why a live-action series
> would
> > be on what is supposed to be a channel devoted to animated programming. I
> > assume Nick's argument is that Nicktoons is programmed for boys while the
> > mothership is programmed for girls.  Then why call the channel Nicktoons?
> > How about calling it, uh, Nick XD?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Nick Series Gets Hit With 'Intern Justice'

2013-06-27 Thread Kevin M. 
When I first heard about this, I went on Facebook and messaged my
former boss Michael, who hired me as an intern at CNBC in Burbank back
in the 1990s where I worked with Tom Snyder and Geraldo Rivera, and
was deeply entrenched in the OJ Trial, and had enough experiences to
last ten lifetimes. I told Michael, "I know I agreed to intern for you
for free (well, for college credit) 20 years ago, and I know it was a
beneficial experience for which I am eternally grateful, but
apparently you owe me money so cough it up or I'll see you in court."
He promptly told me to stick it, as well he should. And if Tom Snyder
were alive today and I demanded money for interning on his show, he'd
have kicked my ass up and down the block... and televised it.

In the business we call show, you know going into an internship that
all you will get is practical experience (sometimes college credit, as
in my case). No money. Never money. If you are paid money, it is a
job, not an internship. These lawsuits and the cry babies who file
them and/or collect on them tick me off. And the pissants who collect
the money will NEVER work in the industry again except maybe as
fluffers in valley porn. As for the long hours, in Hollywood runners
are paid a day wage. Doesn't matter how many hours -- some days I
worked 20 hour days, and on a few blessed instances my days were less
than 90 minutes long. But typically the days seemed to average 16 to
18 hours, and you as a young kid in Hollywood have to decide if it is
worth it. But once you decide, you do the stinking job. If they
promise to pay you but then don't, as one deceased famous face's
production company did to me, that's a different story. But all this
nonsense about interns needing to be paid is just... well... nonsense.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> Attorney Maurice Planko, who has been busy representing TV and movie interns
> suing for lost wages in exchange for long days under his "Intern Justice"
> program, has filed on behalf of Kevin Hicks, who worked repeated 10-16 hour
> days on the Nicktoons live action series (gosh, just like Cartoon Network)
> "Alien Dawn" and should be paid for his work--just earlier this month, two
> interns who worked on the film "Black Swan" were ruled by a NY court that
> they should receive pay for their work:
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/intern-lawsuit-filed-against-nickelodeon-production-alien-dawn-100271
>
> This I can agree with--what's bugging me is why a live-action series would
> be on what is supposed to be a channel devoted to animated programming. I
> assume Nick's argument is that Nicktoons is programmed for boys while the
> mothership is programmed for girls.  Then why call the channel Nicktoons?
> How about calling it, uh, Nick XD?
>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Real Breaking News in TX Tues. (Not That Cable Was Paying Attention to It)

2013-06-27 Thread Doug Eastick 
The TDS coverage of it on Wednesday night was brilliant.

Steve Cooper  wrote:

>The worst part for the cable news networks is that they missed out on
>some
>amazing television.  No matter what side of the debate you are on, it
>was
>impossible to take your eyes off the stream, and the crowd in the
>gallery
>simply refusing to let the Republican majority push through what they
>felt
>was an unjust vote was a triumphant display of Civil Disobedience.  It
>actually made this transplanted Yankee proud to be a Texan. 
>
> 
>
>Even more shameful was that the local stations here in the Dallas-Fort
>Worth
>area gave it only the obligatory coverage and cut to the late night
>shows
>after their news broadcasts right as the action in statehouse was
>reaching
>the critical point.
>
> 
>
>Steve
>
> 
>
>From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On
>Behalf Of Mark Jeffries
>Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:11 PM
>To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [TV orNotTV] Real Breaking News in TX Tues. (Not That Cable
>Was
>Paying Attention to It)
>
> 
>
>Late Tuesday night, Texas state legislator Wendy Davis was wrapping up
>what
>turned out to be a successful real honest-to-goodness filibuster to
>stop
>voting on a bill to ban abortion clinics, the kind of story that you
>would
>think cable news would salivate over--but the Big 3 channels were in
>late-night rerun mode, which meant that one had to go to the Internet
>and
>the Texas Tribune's online stream to see this legitimately big news
>event--wha? (and no, Amy Goodman-ites, I don't think it's the
>"corporate
>media," because if that was true Rachel Maddow wouldn't have even
>covered
>the earlier parts of the story on her show that night because Comcast
>wouldn't had let her):
>
> 
>
>http://www.thewrap.com/media/column-post/where-was-cable-news-during-climati
>c-abortion-vote-texas-99986
>
> 
>
>And oh yes, MSNBC's excuse was that the Maddow show covered the lead-up
>and
>that Maddow's blog had embedded the Texas Tribune live stream.  CNN and
>FNC
>didn't say nothin' to the Wrap (I suspect that lame-duck Current didn't
>cover it and that BBC World News thought it was too parochial, although
>I
>would hope that Katty Kay had it the next day on "World News America").
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[TV orNotTV] Hoops analyst Raftery to Fox Sports 1

2013-06-27 Thread Bob in Jersey 
The ex-Seton Hall coach, whose games usually begin with the team on defense 
going "*MANTOMAN!*", will reteam with Mr Hyper, Gus Johnson, on FS1's games 
of the conference now using the name Big East... he'll continue to work 
NCAA tourney games for CBS/Turner... 
AwfulAnnouncing

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[TV orNotTV] Re: RIP James Gandolfini

2013-06-27 Thread Bob in Jersey 

IYC, the funeral at St John the Divine: 
TheWrap
  
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV, but...: My mother can not move to LA now

2013-06-27 Thread K.M. Richards 
As I understand it, the ban still allows for "specialized" plastic bags, 
such as the smaller ones used for bagging produce.  I would think those 
would be sufficient for the "specialized" use David references.

I'll be on the lookout, of course, for the new Recycled Plastic Bag Channel 
which has to follow this change in the laws.

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:20:59 AM UTC-7, David Risner wrote:
>
> I use the plastic bags for picking up after the dog when going on walks. I 
> wouldn't want to have to use a paper bag for that job. :-)
>
>
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[TV orNotTV] The CFL returns to the Deuce

2013-06-27 Thread b.beam 
For five games only through July.

Meanwhile, NBC Sports Network will air the other 17 games on the American 
contract, including the Grey Cup.
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/june/your-2013-cfl-on-us-television-primer.html

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[TV orNotTV] Live from Salt Lake, it's "Saturday Night"

2013-06-27 Thread b.beam 
Mormon-owned KSL is taking back the show from KUCW, beginning with the season 
premiere in September.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/27/mormon-utah-nbc-affiliate-snl/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Real Breaking News in TX Tues. (Not That Cable Was Paying Attention to It)

2013-06-27 Thread PGage 
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Steve Cooper  wrote:

> The worst part for the cable news networks is that they missed out on some
> amazing television.  No matter what side of the debate you are on, it was
> impossible to take your eyes off the stream, and the crowd in the gallery
> simply refusing to let the Republican majority push through what they felt
> was an unjust vote was a triumphant display of Civil Disobedience.  It
> actually made this transplanted Yankee proud to be a Texan. 
>
> ** **
>
> Even more shameful was that the local stations here in the Dallas-Fort
> Worth area gave it only the obligatory coverage and cut to the late night
> shows after their news broadcasts right as the action in statehouse was
> reaching the critical point.
>

I was literally typing the same thing as I saw your message come in. It was
riveting television - the kind of thing cable news spends most of its time
trying to artificially make up. I don't know why they did not pick it up,
and they must be kicking themselves about it.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Soap dish

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Coughlin 
Well, Soapnet as a channel is breathing its last gasps. It only exists now
to run out the clock on existing contracts. Everywhere else, it was
replaced with Disney Junior.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Mark Jeffries wrote:

> Speaking of SoapNet, I saw an ad saying that the prime time repurpose of
> "Y&R" is moving/has moved to TVGN.  Is CBS going to try to convince the
> Bells to let "B&B" be prime time repurposed?  And will "Days" eventually
> move off SoapNet?
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Joe Coughlin wrote:
>
>> They usually put pre-empted soaps on the digital subchannels.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Bob in Jersey wrote:
>>
>>> Won't help aunt Margaret... she'd rather have SoapNet in case WPVI
>>> tosses *General Hospital* due to stuff like the building collapse the
>>> other week in the Philly-dilly...
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Real Breaking News in TX Tues. (Not That Cable Was Paying Attention to It)

2013-06-27 Thread Steve Cooper 
The worst part for the cable news networks is that they missed out on some
amazing television.  No matter what side of the debate you are on, it was
impossible to take your eyes off the stream, and the crowd in the gallery
simply refusing to let the Republican majority push through what they felt
was an unjust vote was a triumphant display of Civil Disobedience.  It
actually made this transplanted Yankee proud to be a Texan. 

 

Even more shameful was that the local stations here in the Dallas-Fort Worth
area gave it only the obligatory coverage and cut to the late night shows
after their news broadcasts right as the action in statehouse was reaching
the critical point.

 

Steve

 

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On
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Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:11 PM
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com
Subject: [TV orNotTV] Real Breaking News in TX Tues. (Not That Cable Was
Paying Attention to It)

 

Late Tuesday night, Texas state legislator Wendy Davis was wrapping up what
turned out to be a successful real honest-to-goodness filibuster to stop
voting on a bill to ban abortion clinics, the kind of story that you would
think cable news would salivate over--but the Big 3 channels were in
late-night rerun mode, which meant that one had to go to the Internet and
the Texas Tribune's online stream to see this legitimately big news
event--wha? (and no, Amy Goodman-ites, I don't think it's the "corporate
media," because if that was true Rachel Maddow wouldn't have even covered
the earlier parts of the story on her show that night because Comcast
wouldn't had let her):

 

http://www.thewrap.com/media/column-post/where-was-cable-news-during-climati
c-abortion-vote-texas-99986

 

And oh yes, MSNBC's excuse was that the Maddow show covered the lead-up and
that Maddow's blog had embedded the Texas Tribune live stream.  CNN and FNC
didn't say nothin' to the Wrap (I suspect that lame-duck Current didn't
cover it and that BBC World News thought it was too parochial, although I
would hope that Katty Kay had it the next day on "World News America").

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Real Breaking News in TX Tues. (Not That Cable Was Paying Attention to It)

2013-06-27 Thread David Lynch 
There was also pretty very little live coverage from Texas-based TV either
(at least here in Austin.) YNN had a live episode of "Capitol Tonight" at
11:00 that largely consisted of simulcasting the Texas Senate TV channel,
and I didn't see when they cut away but they were back to videotape by
12:30, with the actual result unknown at that time. If any of the
over-the-air stations had special reports, they weren't on while I was
using picture-in-picture to flip through channels.

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[TV orNotTV] Maggie Gyllenhaal is 'An Honourable Woman'

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Jeffries 
The American actress will star in an eight-part Middle East political 
thriller for the BBC and Sundance--it will air on BBC2 in the UK and 
Sundance in the U.S. next year:

http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/white-house-downs-maggie-gyllenhaal-sundance-channels-honourable-woman-100261

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[TV orNotTV] Nick Series Gets Hit With 'Intern Justice'

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Jeffries 
Attorney Maurice Planko, who has been busy representing TV and movie 
interns suing for lost wages in exchange for long days under his "Intern 
Justice" program, has filed on behalf of Kevin Hicks, who worked repeated 
10-16 hour days on the Nicktoons live action series (gosh, just like 
Cartoon Network) "Alien Dawn" and should be paid for his work--just earlier 
this month, two interns who worked on the film "Black Swan" were ruled by a 
NY court that they should receive pay for their work:

http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/intern-lawsuit-filed-against-nickelodeon-production-alien-dawn-100271

This I can agree with--what's bugging me is why a live-action series would 
be on what is supposed to be a channel devoted to animated programming. I 
assume Nick's argument is that Nicktoons is programmed for boys while the 
mothership is programmed for girls.  Then why call the channel Nicktoons? 
 How about calling it, uh, Nick XD?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Soap dish

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Jeffries 
Speaking of SoapNet, I saw an ad saying that the prime time repurpose of
"Y&R" is moving/has moved to TVGN.  Is CBS going to try to convince the
Bells to let "B&B" be prime time repurposed?  And will "Days" eventually
move off SoapNet?

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> They usually put pre-empted soaps on the digital subchannels.
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>> *General Hospital* due to stuff like the building collapse the other
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[TV orNotTV] Real Breaking News in TX Tues. (Not That Cable Was Paying Attention to It)

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Jeffries 
Late Tuesday night, Texas state legislator Wendy Davis was wrapping up what 
turned out to be a successful real honest-to-goodness filibuster to stop 
voting on a bill to ban abortion clinics, the kind of story that you would 
think cable news would salivate over--but the Big 3 channels were in 
late-night rerun mode, which meant that one had to go to the Internet and 
the Texas Tribune's online stream to see this legitimately big news 
event--wha? (and no, Amy Goodman-ites, I don't think it's the "corporate 
media," because if that was true Rachel Maddow wouldn't have even covered 
the earlier parts of the story on her show that night because Comcast 
wouldn't had let her):

http://www.thewrap.com/media/column-post/where-was-cable-news-during-climatic-abortion-vote-texas-99986

And oh yes, MSNBC's excuse was that the Maddow show covered the lead-up and 
that Maddow's blog had embedded the Texas Tribune live stream.  CNN and FNC 
didn't say nothin' to the Wrap (I suspect that lame-duck Current didn't 
cover it and that BBC World News thought it was too parochial, although I 
would hope that Katty Kay had it the next day on "World News America").

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