[ubuntu-art] Backtestground wallpaper templates and utilities

[Thorsten Wilms]

Hi!

About wallpaper templates and 2 utilities:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/backtestground/

These tools should help us with evaluating Xubuntu/Edubuntu/Lubuntu
wallpaper submissions.

Please ask if anything is unclear and don't hesitate to suggest changes
and additions to the given explanations.


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[ubuntu-art] Layout Examples for Book on Open Soure Publishing

[Rob Oakes]

Dear Ubuntu Artwork Team,

I am currently working on a book about writing and publishing using open source 
tools.  The book includes two chapters on visual communication which cover 
Scribus and Inkscape.

As part of these chapters, I would like to include examples of professional 
quality work.  These include newsletters, magazines, book spreads, posters, 
illustrations, and others.  The examples should:

1) Beautify the final volume and showcase examples of graphic communication
2) Demonstrate that open source tools can create high quality 
3) Provide templates and finished layouts that can be distributed both with and 
separately from the book (the files will be licensed under LGPL, MIT or 
Creative Commons) to help people master the programs.

(For more information on what I want to accomplish with the examples, see this 
article: http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/09/01/awesome-examples.)

Naturally, I've raided my own portfolio to do this, but any book with the work 
of a single person is at an inherent disadvantage.  (Which is a way of saying 
that it's boring.)  Which brings me to the reason that I am writing.

I wanted to see if there are examples of promotional materials, newsletters, 
posters, or templates that might be appropriate to include in the book from the 
Ubuntu project?  I've already looked at the examples on the Share Ubuntu 
website, and found an option that might work.  Are there other locations that I 
might check out where the work is available under permissive licenses?  The 
work doesn't have to be related to Ubuntu or free-software.  Any example of 
graphic communication (regardless of source) would be appropriate.  I am more 
interested in inspiring and showing solid design principles than advertising 
for a particular product (even something as wonderful as open source).

These examples from my portfolio would all fit within the scope of the chapter:

http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/11/29/kde02
http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/10/06/formalism
http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/08/21/modern-templates

Alternatively, would members of the team be willing to craft templates/layouts 
which could  be used to illustrate a particular principle?  (The differences 
between a column grid or modular grid, for example.)  If you have works that 
are part of a personal portfolio, those might be used as well.  (As long as you 
hold copyright to the layout and other assets.)

In addition to creating examples for the book, I also want to contribute back 
to the respective upstream projects.  For example, brochures would be sent to 
the Scribus project as templates.**  For this reason, I would prefer that all 
contributions be licensed under permissive terms (Public Domain, Creative 
Commons, LGPL).  There are few sources which provide examples and templates for 
open source projects.  I'm hoping that I can use this book as a way of plugging 
that need.

If you have interest in contributing, please let me know.  I can be reached 
either on the list, or via email at rob.oa...@oak-tree.us.

Most Sincerely,

Rob Oakes
Oak-Tree Engineering
www.oak-tree.us

* The book is set to be published next year by rapidBooks Ltd.

** I understand that this may be impossible in many instances.  In those cases, 
I would be happy to only include the work in the book only and not add the 
assets to the associated files.  This would act as a way of preserving 
copyright protections.  My preference, though, is for examples that can be 
incorporated as templates and donated back to the respective projects.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation - was Re: Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!

[Leandro Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:

> Hi Leandro,
>
>
Hi Rob!


> Thanks for sharing some of your thoughts.  This has been a very interesting
> thread.
>
>
Yes, indeed. :)

> Yes, and some of us do. But the problem is when we want to 'push our work
> upstream' to the global community. All the process, teams and tools are
> English centric (maybe SU being one of the few exceptions).
>
>
> While I empathize with your concerns, I'm not sure that this a solvable
> problem.  Contributor materials and instructions can be translated, but for
> collaboration to happen, people have to share a common tongue.  For
> centuries, this was Latin.  Now, it happens to be English.
>
> It makes sense that Ubuntu (and other open source projects) would use the
> lingua franca of science, technology and business.  It prevents
> misunderstanding and disagreements.
>
>
Yes, agreed. But if someone wants to express him/herself clearly and fails
to do so in English, would you mind that he/she posted something in Spanish
(or German, Croatian, French...) to the mailing list?


> For the past year or so, I've led a project that creates a backup program.
>  I've received contributions from people in Italy, Russia, Poland, Sweden,
> the Netherlands, and Mexico.  That kind of international collaboration would
> be impossible if we didn't all speak English.  Google translate can only get
> you so far.
>
>
I'm admin of the ubuntu-l10n-es team and used to work as a translator and
interpreter for many years... and trust me; having no translation is better
that Google Translator. :)


>
> It's just not about translations. It's more about process and tools.
>
>
> Perhaps there might be ways to mitigate the difficulties for those without
> English speaking members?  Maybe the translation team could help LOCOs
> prepare their applications, for example.  But language barriers aren't going
> away.
>

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to solve this...
I'm just being part of the problem here:)


> There isn't any process or tool that can replace the need for people to
> communicate.  Nor is it realistic for upstream to master all of the
> languages of downstream.
>

Well... they could if upstream were more diverse.

A couple of months ago, someone posted to the Planet a list of all of the
members of the community governance bodies (i.e. all the Councils) and only
a few came from non-English speaking countries.

My question is: Why are there so few contributors/vocal leaders from outside
the US/UK/Australia? Is language a barrier for people to step up? Are we
missing valuable contributors because of this?

Edit: Found the post! :)
http://sensehofstede.nl/realise-native-english-speakers-are-privileged



> Like most downstream projects, upstream tends to be idea heavy, and
> resource poor.
>
> I'd second Сергей's suggestion:
>
> Maybe we can make up lists of people who can be contacted in case Google
> Translate is not enough to understand a message, or if one wants to post
> something but doesn't know English. For example, I might be a contact for
> Russian language. While I don't contribute in a really meaningful way, at
> least I monitor all activity on this list, and [hopefully] know English
> enough to understand others and be understood.
>
>
> Having some sort of central resource would make the most sense.  Is there a
> way to contact the translation team leaders and inquire if they could
> provide aid for downstream teams trying to prepare applications, patches,
> artwork, and proposals for upstream?  Are there entities outside of Ubuntu
> who might be able to help with this challenge?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Oakes
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation - was Re: Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Leandro,

Thanks for sharing some of your thoughts.  This has been a very interesting 
thread.

> Yes, and some of us do. But the problem is when we want to 'push our work 
> upstream' to the global community. All the process, teams and tools are 
> English centric (maybe SU being one of the few exceptions).

While I empathize with your concerns, I'm not sure that this a solvable 
problem.  Contributor materials and instructions can be translated, but for 
collaboration to happen, people have to share a common tongue.  For centuries, 
this was Latin.  Now, it happens to be English.

It makes sense that Ubuntu (and other open source projects) would use the 
lingua franca of science, technology and business.  It prevents 
misunderstanding and disagreements.

For the past year or so, I've led a project that creates a backup program.  
I've received contributions from people in Italy, Russia, Poland, Sweden, the 
Netherlands, and Mexico.  That kind of international collaboration would be 
impossible if we didn't all speak English.  Google translate can only get you 
so far.


> It's just not about translations. It's more about process and tools.

Perhaps there might be ways to mitigate the difficulties for those without 
English speaking members?  Maybe the translation team could help LOCOs prepare 
their applications, for example.  But language barriers aren't going away.  
There isn't any process or tool that can replace the need for people to 
communicate.  Nor is it realistic for upstream to master all of the languages 
of downstream.  Like most downstream projects, upstream tends to be idea heavy, 
and resource poor.

I'd second Сергей's suggestion:

> Maybe we can make up lists of people who can be contacted in case Google 
> Translate is not enough to understand a message, or if one wants to post 
> something but doesn't know English. For example, I might be a contact for 
> Russian language. While I don't contribute in a really meaningful way, at 
> least I monitor all activity on this list, and [hopefully] know English 
> enough to understand others and be understood.

Having some sort of central resource would make the most sense.  Is there a way 
to contact the translation team leaders and inquire if they could provide aid 
for downstream teams trying to prepare applications, patches, artwork, and 
proposals for upstream?  Are there entities outside of Ubuntu who might be able 
to help with this challenge?

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[ubuntu-art] Upstream Opportunity

[John Baer]

Hello Everyone,

If you are interested, I just saw this on OMG Ubuntu.

GNOME 3.0 is coming in April 2011 and we are looking for YOU to help design
a t-shirt that celebrates the GNOME 3.0 release! We will pick up to three
winning designs and sell t-shirts (and possibly more!) with your designs at
the GNOME Store  for a limited time.

Details: http://www.gnome.org/contest/

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation

[Larissa Laricci]

ok. much relief!!  Thanks Thor!  so I''ll be contact them!!  viva el
softaware Libre :)

2010/12/7 Thorsten Wilms 

> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:01 -0600, Larissa Laricci wrote:
> >  I mean, I visited  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and in my country,
> > (méxico) there says tha México is not aproved, and I like to
> > contribute in my area.
>
> Welcome, Larissa!
>
> The team not being approved (yet) doesn't have to stop you from getting
> in contact. You will then see for yourself how the team runs and who
> knows, maybe you can help to move it towards approval, if that is found
> to matter.
>
> The following wiki page might shed some light on what approval means:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Becoming%20an%20Approved%20Team
>
>
> Aside of that, consider to add your voice and contributions here, too,
> please :)
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation - was Re: Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!

[Leandro Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Сергей  wrote:

>
> Language Barrier seems to be a very common concern.
>
>
Yes. The language barrier is a huge problem, and it seems a bit ironic to me
as one of the core values of the Ubuntu Project is actually "...that
software should be accesible to all... in the language of their choice".

http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy


> As the maintainer of
>> Humanity icon theme I have often been contacted directly by a few other
>> members who have mentioned the English language as a barrier for
>> participation. I have also noticed the same problem being mentioned in
>> other mailing lists.
>>
>> Are there others on this Artwork mailing list who share the same
>> concern?
>> Is there *anything* that we can do to make it easier for everyone to
>> participate actively?
>
>
> Maybe we can make up lists of people who can be contacted in case Google
> Translate is not enough to understand a message, or if one wants to post
> something but doesn't know English. For example, I might be a contact for
> Russian language. While I don't contribute in a really meaningful way, at
> least I monitor all activity on this list, and [hopefully] know English
> enough to understand others and be understood.
>

It's just not about translations. It's more about process and tools.

If you want to join a team, or go for Ubuntu Member, or get your LoCo
approved, you *must* speak English. Ever wondered why successful LoCo Teams
(such as ubuntu-it, ubuntu-fr or ubuntu-cat) don't have that many Ubuntu
members or MOTUs?


> By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle
> language and cultural barriers, aren't they?
>
>
Yes, and some of us do. But the problem is when we want to 'push our work
upstream' to the global community. All the process, teams and tools are
English centric (maybe SU being one of the few exceptions).


> Respectfully,
> --
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Flickr permissions

[John Baer]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 07:47 -0500, John Baer wrote:
> > Also,
> > check your flickr permissions as I noticed some submissions are only
> > viewable if I am logged into flickr.
>
> That's strange, as I get to see the same 22 images, no matter if I'm
> locked in, or not.
>
> (I kept wanting to ask you where the much higher number of submissions
> you mentioned came from.)
>
>
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation

[Leandro Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Larissa Laricci <
gritaantesdemo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, yeap I know that DF team, but my question is than in the principal
> page of ubuntu LoCo teams there says tha México is not aproved, how can I
> know about an official ubuntu team, in my case México?
>
>
Ubuntu-mx is the official Ubuntu LoCo Team in México.

In the Ubuntu community we have 'New Teams' and 'Approved Teams'. The teams
are approved by the LoCo Council. Being an approved team means that the team
is active and healthly by the standards of our community. It's like a reward
for those teams who are really commited to the project.

AFAIK, Ubuntu-mx is going for approval sometime soon... (?)

You can learn more here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines

Cheers,



> El 7 de diciembre de 2010 11:10, Leandro Gómez escribió:
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Larissa Laricci <
>> gritaantesdemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Talking about this, How can I know about the LoCos in my area?  I mean, I
>>> visited  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and in my country, (méxico) there
>>> says tha México is not aproved, and I like to contribute in my area.
>>> So, wahat can I do? or what should I think about this?
>>>
>>>
>> Hola Larissa!
>>
>> You can join the ubuntu-mx mailing list at:
>>
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mx/
>>
>> You can also drop by #ubuntu-mx at irc.freenode.net.
>>
>> BTW, where in México are you? There's a pretty active team in the Distrito
>> Federal:
>>
>> http://ubuntudf.org/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>> *By the way, I´m new, My name is Larissa I´m from México and my hobbie
>>> is design and documetation, and I really like to contribute with UBUNTU.
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *greets!*
>>>
>>> 2010/12/7 Thorsten Wilms 
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 16:56 +0300, Сергей wrote:
 > By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle
 > language and cultural barriers, aren't they?

 Some LoCos do their own thing regarding artwork.

 That's fine and makes a lot of sense regarding language barriers and
 filling local needs, though doing it in a more visible way could make
 the Ubuntu artwork realm more attractive.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:01 -0600, Larissa Laricci wrote:
>  I mean, I visited  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and in my country,
> (méxico) there says tha México is not aproved, and I like to
> contribute in my area.

Welcome, Larissa!

The team not being approved (yet) doesn't have to stop you from getting
in contact. You will then see for yourself how the team runs and who
knows, maybe you can help to move it towards approval, if that is found
to matter.

The following wiki page might shed some light on what approval means:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Becoming%20an%20Approved%20Team


Aside of that, consider to add your voice and contributions here, too,
please :)
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Debconf12 logo

[Leandro Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 02:39 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > Awesome job Thorsten, I love the debian swirl on the motmot.  I hope
> > you guys get debconf in Nicaragua!
>
>
Thank you! We'll do our best to win the bid! :)


> Thanks! :)
>
> Your swirl and flower concept is lovely, though it makes me think of an
> entirely different direction, geographically.
>
>
Yes! The flower is great!
Saleel... I think we will definitely use it for a LoCo related event...
we'll talk about it another day! :)

Thanks again to both of you for your contribution!


> As already discussed with Leandro, my draft will see a few changes and
> tweaks to finalize it.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation

[Larissa Laricci]

Thanks, yeap I know that DF team, but my question is than in the principal
page of ubuntu LoCo teams there says tha México is not aproved, how can I
know about an official ubuntu team, in my case México?

El 7 de diciembre de 2010 11:10, Leandro Gómez escribió:

> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Larissa Laricci <
> gritaantesdemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Talking about this, How can I know about the LoCos in my area?  I mean, I
>> visited  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and in my country, (méxico) there
>> says tha México is not aproved, and I like to contribute in my area.
>> So, wahat can I do? or what should I think about this?
>>
>>
> Hola Larissa!
>
> You can join the ubuntu-mx mailing list at:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mx/
>
> You can also drop by #ubuntu-mx at irc.freenode.net.
>
> BTW, where in México are you? There's a pretty active team in the Distrito
> Federal:
>
> http://ubuntudf.org/
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>> *By the way, I´m new, My name is Larissa I´m from México and my hobbie is
>> design and documetation, and I really like to contribute with UBUNTU.*
>> *
>> *
>> *greets!*
>>
>> 2010/12/7 Thorsten Wilms 
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 16:56 +0300, Сергей wrote:
>>> > By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle
>>> > language and cultural barriers, aren't they?
>>>
>>> Some LoCos do their own thing regarding artwork.
>>>
>>> That's fine and makes a lot of sense regarding language barriers and
>>> filling local needs, though doing it in a more visible way could make
>>> the Ubuntu artwork realm more attractive.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> thorwil's design for free software:
>>> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>>
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>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation

[Leandro Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Larissa Laricci <
gritaantesdemo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Talking about this, How can I know about the LoCos in my area?  I mean, I
> visited  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and in my country, (méxico) there
> says tha México is not aproved, and I like to contribute in my area.
> So, wahat can I do? or what should I think about this?
>
>
Hola Larissa!

You can join the ubuntu-mx mailing list at:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mx/

You can also drop by #ubuntu-mx at irc.freenode.net.

BTW, where in México are you? There's a pretty active team in the Distrito
Federal:

http://ubuntudf.org/

Cheers,



> *By the way, I´m new, My name is Larissa I´m from México and my hobbie is
> design and documetation, and I really like to contribute with UBUNTU.*
> *
> *
> *greets!*
>
> 2010/12/7 Thorsten Wilms 
>
> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 16:56 +0300, Сергей wrote:
>> > By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle
>> > language and cultural barriers, aren't they?
>>
>> Some LoCos do their own thing regarding artwork.
>>
>> That's fine and makes a lot of sense regarding language barriers and
>> filling local needs, though doing it in a more visible way could make
>> the Ubuntu artwork realm more attractive.
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation

[Larissa Laricci]

Talking about this, How can I know about the LoCos in my area?  I mean, I
visited  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and in my country, (méxico) there
says tha México is not aproved, and I like to contribute in my area.
So, wahat can I do? or what should I think about this?

*By the way, I´m new, My name is Larissa I´m from México and my hobbie is
design and documetation, and I really like to contribute with UBUNTU.*
*
*
*greets!*

2010/12/7 Thorsten Wilms 

> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 16:56 +0300, Сергей wrote:
> > By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle
> > language and cultural barriers, aren't they?
>
> Some LoCos do their own thing regarding artwork.
>
> That's fine and makes a lot of sense regarding language barriers and
> filling local needs, though doing it in a more visible way could make
> the Ubuntu artwork realm more attractive.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 16:56 +0300, Сергей wrote:
> By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle
> language and cultural barriers, aren't they? 

Some LoCos do their own thing regarding artwork.

That's fine and makes a lot of sense regarding language barriers and
filling local needs, though doing it in a more visible way could make
the Ubuntu artwork realm more attractive.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation - was Re: Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!

[Сергей]

> Language Barrier seems to be a very common concern. As the maintainer of
> Humanity icon theme I have often been contacted directly by a few other
> members who have mentioned the English language as a barrier for
> participation. I have also noticed the same problem being mentioned in
> other mailing lists.
>
> Are there others on this Artwork mailing list who share the same
> concern?
> Is there *anything* that we can do to make it easier for everyone to
> participate actively?


Maybe we can make up lists of people who can be contacted in case Google
Translate is not enough to understand a message, or if one wants to post
something but doesn't know English. For example, I might be a contact for
Russian language. While I don't contribute in a really meaningful way, at
least I monitor all activity on this list, and [hopefully] know English
enough to understand others and be understood.
By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle
language and cultural barriers, aren't they?

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[ubuntu-art] Flickr permissions

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 07:47 -0500, John Baer wrote:
> Also,
> check your flickr permissions as I noticed some submissions are only
> viewable if I am logged into flickr. 

That's strange, as I get to see the same 22 images, no matter if I'm
locked in, or not.

(I kept wanting to ask you where the much higher number of submissions
you mentioned came from.)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 07:47 -0500, John Baer wrote:
> The deadline to the new Artwork Team Logo project is extended to
> 2011-01-02 (...)

I messed up the date on the wiki and just fixed that. Like I said
earlier, 1st of February, so 2011-02-01.

Sorry about that. Being the one to propose that ISO format, it had to me
getting it wrong, of course :}


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[ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended

[John Baer]

Hello Everyone,

The deadline to the new Artwork Team Logo project is extended to 2011-01-02
as some important new information has been added to the spec for your
consideration.

AFAIK flickr will retain the file format of your original submission and
only convert to "jpg" other scaled versions. Sorry for the confusion :-), I
would re-post your submissions in "png" format if that is your desire. Also,
check your flickr permissions as I noticed some submissions are only
viewable if I am logged into flickr.

The fact team members have taken ownership of this project as evidenced by
discussions on this list is great and IMO the best way to select the desired
design would be a poll of team members.  A poll would also permit the
decision to keep the current logo.

It is my sincere hope everyone feels this is an opportunity to contribute in
a meaningful way and will do so.

Again - If you have an idea, an opinion, or a suggestion; the best way to
express it is by posting a submission. I would also consider new and
different design choices if you have an idea in mind.

Thank you for your participation.

Best regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo Submissions (Thorsten Wilms)

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 05:35 -0500, John Baer wrote:

> Thank you for offering your opinion but let's not judge or pre-judge
> submissions in this manner. I have my personal favorite as I am sure
> many on this list do. 

How could an opinion come without judgment?

I don't care about personal favorites. I care about what the logo should
say, that it does say it, that it shows craftsmanship in execution.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo Submissions (Thorsten Wilms)

[John Baer]

>
>
> On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 16:30 -0800, j_baer wrote:
>
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/TeamLogoSubmissions
>
> In my eyes only #14 and #17 are acceptable.
>
> #14 needs a little tweaking. The elements should be a bit thicker, just
> slightly more robust. There should be an imaginary circle at the center.
>
> #17 would have to be reduced to just one shape for the 14 (and 16?)
> pixel size.
>
> Note that I don't think we should bother about 14 and 16 px sizes too
> much. Having a blob of color that does not look like just any other blob
> of color is already an achievement at that scale.
>
> #37 is a good concept, but the differing treatment of the straight lines
> seems odd. The thin lines mean scaling is no fun at all.
>
> #26 and especially #25 are attractive, but not clear enough in their
> relation to our realm.
>
>
> All the thick brushes seem clumsy. The few splattery approaches don't
> speak of planning and precision. While artistic gusto could come in as
> an aspect, it can't be the dominant feature.
>
>
> As far as I'm concerned we are still open for submissions until at least
> 1st of February.
>
> I just edited the spec to actually list the Launchpad icon sizes (14,
> 64, 192 px, how could we miss that?).
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0001_Artwork_Team_Logo
>
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Thorsten,

Thank you for offering your opinion but let's not judge or pre-judge
submissions in this manner. I have my personal favorite as I am sure many on
this list do.

Best regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation - was Re: Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!

[John Baer]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Vishnoo  wrote:

> On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 10:33 -0200, Blau Araujo wrote:
> > First of all, I apologize for not participating so actively in this
> > discussion. Not only because my English is not good enough to develop
> > full arguments, but mainly because I've had a season with many shows
> > (I am also a musician in a blues band).
>
> Hi Blau,
>
> Thanks for bringing this up. You have raised an important concern here.
> (Though you mention it's not the only major factor preventing you in
> this task.)
>
> Language Barrier seems to be a very common concern. As the maintainer of
> Humanity icon theme I have often been contacted directly by a few other
> members who have mentioned the English language as a barrier for
> participation. I have also noticed the same problem being mentioned in
> other mailing lists.
>
> Are there others on this Artwork mailing list who share the same
> concern?
> Is there *anything* that we can do to make it easier for everyone to
> participate actively?
> People are often using Google translate to better understand the task
> specs. Are the tasks clear to understand, directly or when you use
> Google translate?
>
> Kindly share your concerns. Do let us know if there is anything that can
> be done to help increase your participation.
>
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> Vish
>
>
Vish,

Thank you for bringing this up and I agree 100%. Please do not let language
be a barrier to participation.

Best regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Debconf12 logo

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 02:39 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> Awesome job Thorsten, I love the debian swirl on the motmot.  I hope
> you guys get debconf in Nicaragua!

Thanks! :)

Your swirl and flower concept is lovely, though it makes me think of an
entirely different direction, geographically.

As already discussed with Leandro, my draft will see a few changes and
tweaks to finalize it.


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[ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation - was Re: Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!

[Vishnoo]

On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 10:33 -0200, Blau Araujo wrote:
> First of all, I apologize for not participating so actively in this
> discussion. Not only because my English is not good enough to develop
> full arguments, but mainly because I've had a season with many shows
> (I am also a musician in a blues band).

Hi Blau,

Thanks for bringing this up. You have raised an important concern here.
(Though you mention it's not the only major factor preventing you in
this task.) 

Language Barrier seems to be a very common concern. As the maintainer of
Humanity icon theme I have often been contacted directly by a few other
members who have mentioned the English language as a barrier for
participation. I have also noticed the same problem being mentioned in
other mailing lists.

Are there others on this Artwork mailing list who share the same
concern? 
Is there *anything* that we can do to make it easier for everyone to
participate actively?
People are often using Google translate to better understand the task
specs. Are the tasks clear to understand, directly or when you use
Google translate? 

Kindly share your concerns. Do let us know if there is anything that can
be done to help increase your participation. 

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