Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'Simple' cron job help...

[Tony Arnold]

Josh,

Josh Blacker wrote:
> Being a slight newbie, I'd appreciate some direction with this!
> 
> I have an open office file that I'm constantly updating and sharing
> with a friend. Emailing it to him every so often is a chore - what I
> want is a cron script to do this for me, say every evening. Any ideas?
> [As he's on a mac without oo.org, ideally it would save it as a pdf
> first...]

This is reasonably simple provided you have a few things set up first.
To send mail from a script you either need a perl script as previously
suggested, or you could install an MTA (mail transport agent) such
postfix and a command line client such as mail or mutt.

The MTA should be configured to use a 'smart host', i.e., all outgoing
mail is sent to the mail router of your ISP.

There are command line options to mail and mutt for sending a message
and including a file as an attachment.

Once you have that, then use 'crontab -e' to edit your crontab entry. I
suggest you put the mail commands in a script and invoke the script from
cron.

The bit I don't know how to do is to convert an OO.org file to PDF from
a script. Maybe someone else can chime in with this part.

Are you both modifying this document? Would a server running CVS or SVN
(subversion) be an alternative way of doing it? Maybe that's getting
more complicated than it needs to be.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-UK Planet CoC

[Stephen Garton]

On 03/08/07, Michael Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet/CoC
> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20070812Meeting

Apologies if I have missed something in a meeting, as I haven't been
able to attend for a while, just just wanted to make the following
points:

I think the first thing that needs to be discussed is the *point* of
the planet. I can see the desire to just have FLOSS posts syndicated,
and indeed can adjust my feed to suit, but I disagree with it. As it
is a community planet, I am interested in what people are doing in
general, not just related to floss. I understand that this is a
long-standing discussion on the content of Planets, and needs to be
decided by a vote.

If this vote has already taken place, apologies for not taking part at
the time, and could someone point me in the direction of the minutes
for that meeting.

If it has not, can I strongly suggest that it is voted on in the next
meeting, although I will still not be able to attend the meeting (It's
my wedding night!), and would like to give my vote in advance for all
posts.

As for the point Nik makes, I also disagree with vetoing 'commercial'
and 'conflicts/issues', but that again is just personal preference.

The Ubuntu CoC should be adhered to though.

Just my views (and I promise to get more active again after the wedding!)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-UK Planet CoC

[Nicholas Butler]

Then I regret I will have to withdraw from Ubuntu involvement and Loco 
community if the planet uk   is not to be a platform for commercial 
interests  as defined in the draft ;

for the following reasons.

1) Ubuntu is the commercial interest of Canonical as as such benefits 
from the promotion of its product via my interests
  
2) I am self employed in the promotion of Ubuntu and my own business.


Either the planet is a snap shot of every person involved in the 
community with a realistic understanding that some of us have businesses 
or its not.


Thanks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'Simple' cron job help...

[Robert McWilliam]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:07:39 +0100
"Josh Blacker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an open office file that I'm constantly updating and sharing
> with a friend. Emailing it to him every so often is a chore - what I
> want is a cron script to do this for me, say every evening. Any ideas?
> [As he's on a mac without oo.org, ideally it would save it as a pdf
> first...]

Open office can be scripted from a bunch of different languages, a
python example to convert an OOo file to pdf is available at
http://www.artofsolving.com/opensource/pyodconverter

Once you have the pdf you need a way of sending it. I'd got for a
python script, but it can be done in another language or using a mail
application. 

There is an example in python at:
http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/757

Once you have a script that will do the conversion and mail the file
you need to set up a cron job to trigger the script. A short intro to
cron:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'Simple' cron job help...

[Michael Wood]

Josh Blacker wrote:
> Being a slight newbie, I'd appreciate some direction with this!
>
> I have an open office file that I'm constantly updating and sharing
> with a friend. Emailing it to him every so often is a chore - what I
> want is a cron script to do this for me, say every evening. Any ideas?
> [As he's on a mac without oo.org, ideally it would save it as a pdf
> first...]
>
> I know I'm probably asking a lot, but I really don't know the simplest
> thing about how to go about this!
>
> TIA,
>
>   
I'd use a perl script like the one here: 
http://www.logix.cz/michal/devel/smtp/

Download from: http://www.logix.cz/michal/devel/smtp/smtp-client.pl
* *
with a cron job to check for changes in the file.


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[ubuntu-uk] 'Simple' cron job help...

[Josh Blacker]

Being a slight newbie, I'd appreciate some direction with this!

I have an open office file that I'm constantly updating and sharing
with a friend. Emailing it to him every so often is a chore - what I
want is a cron script to do this for me, say every evening. Any ideas?
[As he's on a mac without oo.org, ideally it would save it as a pdf
first...]

I know I'm probably asking a lot, but I really don't know the simplest
thing about how to go about this!

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-UK Planet CoC

[Michael Wood]

There have been a few issues with some of the posts appearing on the 
Ubuntu-UK planet, These haven't really been resolved as we have no 
guidelines to uphold any complaints around. Therefore I propose that 
there should be an code of conduct aimed at the planet.

I have written a draft CoC [1]

There is a meeting on the 12th of August which I am hoping we can agree 
to implement what ever results from this proposal [2]

Before making changes please discuss here !


[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet/CoC
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20070812Meeting

Michael "X3N" Wood


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[alan c]

Alec Wright wrote:
> On 02/08/07, John Dow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 8/2/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> CDs for Library: Are these ones you have burned, and what
>>> packaging have you used, wit any instructions or commentary?
>> 
>> Yeah, I burned a pile of copies of the Edgy Live CD and printed
>> out a little quickstart guide I wrote, along with links to the
>> various faq sections of the ubuntu forums.
>> 
>> John
>> 
> Any chance you could show your quick-start guide to the list?
> 'Cause there's been a lot of talk about leaflets lately.
> 

I have recently typed up the actual text content of the shipit cd
covers because the wording is both legally and otherwise fairly well
thought out. I have begun to use it fairly successfully as a *simple*
folded cover for a paper CD case. The folded cover is from a single
A4 double sided printed sheet. I have only used mono printing so far
but the graphic is colour and with a different printer one can get
fairly close to the effect of a shipit pack, at a much reduced actual
cost I suspect.

The files are on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Leaflets
and specifically are
leaflet1b-SHIPIT-folded_alan_cocks
leaflet1b-SHIPIT-folded-instructions_alan_cocks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Chris Rowson]

> I've created a Facebook group with the following description:
>
> If you're interested in doing the following:
>
> - Saying "yes" to the odd PC components that always come up on Freecycle
> - Collecting them, putting them together, installing Ubuntu
> - Offering a working machine back to your local Freecycle
>
> ... then this is the group for you.
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4266486665
>
>

Great idea Mark, I've joined :-)

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[ubuntu-uk] Do you rember the days when we used to hang around

[Nicholas Butler]

outside Microsoft conferences and hand out free stuff  ?

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4935923195.html

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Mark Harrison]

The reason I chose facebook is that

1: There wasn't already an obvious appropriate mailing list (I don't 
consider this a UK initiative)

2: I could set up a group within 45 seconds. (I have what is politely 
called "A bias for action" - I'd rather get SOME discussion platform 
done straight away than pontificate for hours over what the RIGHT solution.)

3: I suspect that the initiative will die inside about 2 weeks... jf it 
does, then it's cost zero "systems effort" to have the conversation, if 
it doesn't, we can move over to the Wiki.

4: There are huge numbers of both Facebookers and Ubuntu evangelists 
already on Facebook.

I'm absolutely not wedded to Facebook as a platform of choice going 
forward - if the initiative takes off, it should be rolled into the core 
websites for both Ubuntu and Freecycle  - I sort of regard Facebook as a 
"Rapid Prototyping Environment" for ad hoc social groups.

Mark




John Dow wrote:
> On 8/2/07, *Nik Butler* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Lets try to be supportive and encouraging of an though rather than
> finding ways to block/shutdown/disable contributions from members.
>
>
> You are, of course, completely right - my comment was a knee-jerk 
> reaction born out of unreasoning horror and I apologise wholeheartedly 
> for my lack of control ;-)
>
> Seriously, though, it is a great idea but my personal preference would 
> be for a mailing list. I find web groups to be annoying restrictive to 
> use, whereas my mail client is always available :)
>
> John
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[John Dow]

On 8/2/07, Alec Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 02/08/07, John Dow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 8/2/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > CDs for Library:
> > > Are these ones you have burned, and what packaging have you used, wit
> > > any instructions or commentary?
> >
> > Yeah, I burned a pile of copies of the Edgy Live CD and printed out a
> little
> > quickstart guide I wrote, along with links to the various faq sections
> of
> > the ubuntu forums.
> >
> > John
> >
> Any chance you could show your quick-start guide to the list? 'Cause
> there's been a lot of talk about leaflets lately.


Sure - I'll dig it out when I get home. It aint purty, though.

John



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Nik Butler]

Nik Butler wrote:
> "Regarding facebook being Evil,"
>
>
>
>   
Wow I was Angry when i posted that ,  its barely readable.

I know you dont see me post here most days ( if ever ! ) but I am 
reading and listening. So whilst it made so little sense I appreciate 
that most people go the Gist.

If you are taking part with the other parts of the online community I 
would invite you to come look me up on

http://www.loudmouthman.com/contact/

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[John Dow]

On 8/2/07, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lets try to be supportive and encouraging of an though rather than
> finding ways to block/shutdown/disable contributions from members.


You are, of course, completely right - my comment was a knee-jerk reaction
born out of unreasoning horror and I apologise wholeheartedly for my lack of
control ;-)

Seriously, though, it is a great idea but my personal preference would be
for a mailing list. I find web groups to be annoying restrictive to use,
whereas my mail client is always available :)

John


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Josh Blacker]

Facebook isn't evil; for us students, it's a way of life.

I'll join, but that probably means I'll need to join a freecycle soon
(i.e. when I get back to London for the start of college again). I
want to build myself a desktop for my new flat anyway.

On 8/2/07, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Regarding facebook being Evil,"
>
> Would it be better to encourage a positive  and effective step forward
> in making a idea occur or do we wish to spend our time trying to decide
> exactly what colour the wheel should be long before we even get started.
>
>
> Marks idea and steps forward and a positive contribution theres many an
> open letter/blog that could be written in reponse to the view of
> knocking an idea but im not going there.
>
> Lets try to be supportive and encouraging of an though rather than
> finding ways to block/shutdown/disable contributions from members.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Nik
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[Alec Wright]

On 02/08/07, John Dow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/2/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > CDs for Library:
> > Are these ones you have burned, and what packaging have you used, wit
> > any instructions or commentary?
>
> Yeah, I burned a pile of copies of the Edgy Live CD and printed out a little
> quickstart guide I wrote, along with links to the various faq sections of
> the ubuntu forums.
>
> John
>
Any chance you could show your quick-start guide to the list? 'Cause
there's been a lot of talk about leaflets lately.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Nik Butler]

"Regarding facebook being Evil,"

Would it be better to encourage a positive  and effective step forward 
in making a idea occur or do we wish to spend our time trying to decide 
exactly what colour the wheel should be long before we even get started.


Marks idea and steps forward and a positive contribution theres many an 
open letter/blog that could be written in reponse to the view of 
knocking an idea but im not going there.

Lets try to be supportive and encouraging of an though rather than 
finding ways to block/shutdown/disable contributions from members.


Thanks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Nik Butler]

Nice , one I guess we should invite Jono to this as well.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Matthew Wild]

On 8/2/07, John Dow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 8/2/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I've created a Facebook group with the following description:
>
>
>
> But but but facebook is evil.
>


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[John Dow]

On 8/2/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've created a Facebook group with the following description:



But but but facebook is evil.


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[ubuntu-uk] Freecycle / Ubuntu tie-up????

[Mark Harrison]

I've created a Facebook group with the following description:

If you're interested in doing the following:

- Saying "yes" to the odd PC components that always come up on Freecycle
- Collecting them, putting them together, installing Ubuntu
- Offering a working machine back to your local Freecycle

... then this is the group for you.


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4266486665


I figured that this wouldn't / couldn't be a UK initiative, but it was 
worth having a home for discussions for a few days...


If the initiative gets off the ground, I'll add it to the Wiki... but I 
see facebook groups as a very, very, good way to quickly build some 
discussions for projects that may die off a week later!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[John Dow]

On 8/2/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> CDs for Library:
> Are these ones you have burned, and what packaging have you used, wit
> any instructions or commentary?


Yeah, I burned a pile of copies of the Edgy Live CD and printed out a little
quickstart guide I wrote, along with links to the various faq sections of
the ubuntu forums.

John



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[alan c]

John Dow wrote:
> On 8/2/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> alan c wrote:
>> > What about advertising on Freecycle-
>> > 'Ubuntu Linux CD - the good alternative to Windows - free install and
>> > advice'
>> It would be totally AGAINST the charter of Freecycle just to do this,
>> and likely cause a backlash.
> 
> 
> IAWTP.
> 
> If you have Ubuntu disks going spare, I've generally found local libraries
> are a good distribution point. I put a dozen or so disks there every other
> week and they're generally gone the next time I visit. The librarian makes
> sure it's one per person :)
> 
> Oh, hi by the way - just joined the list :)

Welcome!

CDs for Library:
Are these ones you have burned, and what packaging have you used, wit 
any instructions or commentary?

My local and main library accept leaflets but even they have to be 
formally approved before acceptance. I would not expect they would 
accept CDs unless it was a very good day. I might try though.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[Andrew Williams]

On 8/1/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The following just came in on our local Freecycle. (www.freecycle.org to
> find your local group.)
>



Freecycle, another great idea which has fell fowl of greed and
selfishness. Our local Freecycle groups suffer from car booters who
pickup anything and everything to sell on for a profit and people
asking for unreal items ("any one got a Nintendo DS going spare?", "I
need a Glass TV stand for my 52" HDTV", "wanted: car, must be a good
runner"). You may think i'm joking, but its all game on our lists...

Currently one guy offers PCs up for Freecycle with Windows
pre-installed, considering the guy picks up beige box, home built PCs
I dont think he can verify a single license for any of these... I've
dropped him a mail about installing Ubuntu instead but I got no reply.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[alan c]

Mark Harrison wrote:
> alan c wrote:
>> What about advertising on Freecycle-
>> 'Ubuntu Linux CD - the good alternative to Windows - free install and 
>> advice'
> It would be totally AGAINST the charter of Freecycle just to do this, 

Ah! Ok understood.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[Paul Tansom]

** Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-08-02 10:30]:
> alan c wrote:
> > What about advertising on Freecycle-
> > 'Ubuntu Linux CD - the good alternative to Windows - free install and 
> > advice'
> It would be totally AGAINST the charter of Freecycle just to do this, 
> and likely cause a backlash.
> 
> The purpose of Freecycle is to stop stuff going to landfill... not to 
> provide a platform where other groups can promote their own agendas.
> 
> I would far rather than "The Ubuntu Community" approached "The Global 
> Freecycle Team" and tried to put together a cross-promoted initiative to 
> provide a service where we would put Ubuntu on old PCs and then 
> Freecycle them...
> 
> - local Ubuntu teams would be encouraged to contribute the installation time
> - local Freecycle groups would be encouraged to specifically get their 
> members to contribute older PC kit
> 
> There's a difference between working WITH another group, with their own 
> mission, and trying to "Hijack" their services to promote our own.
** end quote [Mark Harrison]

Whilst I'd agree that a concerted effort to use Freecycle as an
advertising platform is something that should be avoided, I have seen
people acting as individuals recommending somebody try Linux,
OpenOffice, or etc. in response to requests for Windows and Office CDs.
I've also seen, as per the orignal post, PCs offered running Linux.

As to a joint effort between Ubuntu and Freecycle, I think you're
crediting Freecycle with a bit more organisation than it actually has.
>From my experience different groups have slightly different policies,
and even within a single group the policy differs from post to post at
times. Getting all the various Freecycle groups working together as
opposed to separate little 'empires' under a single umbrella isn't
something I can see happening I'm afraid.

As an example, I saw a post a few months back from somebody wanting a CD
for Windows ME or newer because their AV vendor no longer supported
their Windows 98 installation. They also, iirc, commented that they may
need a better PC and/or some upgrade parts. I decided to reply to this
with a list of alternative freely available AV products that would do
the job for him, and potentially save his PC being scrapped (sadly
suggesting Linux was not a practical option in this case). Thinking that
the information would possibly save other machines from being scrapped
I coppied the Freecycle list, but was told by the moderator that since
it was not saving something from landfill it had been blocked. A matter
of days later posts were let through for internet codes from Rice
Crispies, discount voucher for Homebase and some 'go free' vouchers
whatever they are - certainly not saving anything from landfill.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[John Dow]

On 8/2/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> alan c wrote:
> > What about advertising on Freecycle-
> > 'Ubuntu Linux CD - the good alternative to Windows - free install and
> > advice'
> It would be totally AGAINST the charter of Freecycle just to do this,
> and likely cause a backlash.


IAWTP.

If you have Ubuntu disks going spare, I've generally found local libraries
are a good distribution point. I put a dozen or so disks there every other
week and they're generally gone the next time I visit. The librarian makes
sure it's one per person :)

Oh, hi by the way - just joined the list :)

John



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] This came in on the local Freecycle

[Mark Harrison]

alan c wrote:
> What about advertising on Freecycle-
> 'Ubuntu Linux CD - the good alternative to Windows - free install and 
> advice'
It would be totally AGAINST the charter of Freecycle just to do this, 
and likely cause a backlash.

The purpose of Freecycle is to stop stuff going to landfill... not to 
provide a platform where other groups can promote their own agendas.

I would far rather than "The Ubuntu Community" approached "The Global 
Freecycle Team" and tried to put together a cross-promoted initiative to 
provide a service where we would put Ubuntu on old PCs and then 
Freecycle them...

- local Ubuntu teams would be encouraged to contribute the installation time
- local Freecycle groups would be encouraged to specifically get their 
members to contribute older PC kit

There's a difference between working WITH another group, with their own 
mission, and trying to "Hijack" their services to promote our own.


Mark

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