Re: [ubuntu-uk] Going back to the Dell deal...
Michael Holloway wrote: > 2. How many Linux users would buy a one? I'm not sure i can answer this, but > i imagine not too many. Most linux users like to customise their machines, > and put all the latest and greatest (or cheapest and oldest) compenents into > it. 10 years ago, that would have been me. In fact, about 10 years ago I _did_ build my Own PC (a Pentium-90 in fact.) Now, I want a machine that works, with an operating system that works. Don't get me wrong - I work in IT, I'm into the latest toys as much as the next geek, but desktop O/Ss aren't an exciting playground for me compared to Ajax apps :-) As I said, I want a machine that works, with an operating system that works. Hmm... let me think? Should I go with (out of date) XP? Should I go with (utterly, cripplingly slow) Vista? or... can we think of another O/S that might run a lot faster on modern laptop hardware AND be more reliable? I'd be INCREDIBLY tempted to go with a pre-installed, manufacturer-supported, Linux-laptop next time round. Mainstream buyers have a different mind-set, and the "Dell with Ubuntu pre-installed" is hitting a lot more of those buttons than "download this distribution" ever did. The worst case is that Dell do the work (or get Canonical to) to come up with a standard image for their Ubuntu laptops, and that image sits on a server farm in Ireland not being installed from much. Net cost to Dell, a small amount of disk space. Net benefit to Dell, marginal increase in customer choice. Marginal benefit to Ubuntu - huge - endorsement from Dell that our chosen distro is supported by the biggest and the best. (Yes, I know, HP / IBM / RedHat, but heh... Dell has the biggest mindshare for desktops / laptops, I suspect.) And, for people like me, who are already on pure Ubuntu-servers at work (4 in the operational farm, 2 development servers, and a spare box sitting around to swap in in the event of catasrophic hardware failure), this has a marginal benefit to ME even if I never buy a Dell Linux Laptop - it helps convince my board (who to be fair, I've trained to trust my technical judgement) that I am backing the right horse with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Going back to the Dell deal...
Hello, The one definate reason I can think of for Dell doing is, is simply the demand for PC's with Linux pre-installed on it / Windows not pre-installed. Why bother otherwise? Stretching that the other reason I can think of is to put pressure on Microsoft. If Dell are successfull selling Linux PC's they might start persuading MS to sell cheaper Windows licenses to them (or it might be the other way, dell are punishing MS for raising prices, who knows). I doubt the business case for it. Companies buying X amount of machines would purchase through their own channels and probably get a big discount anyway. They will also probably have a site license for MS software and get this discounted from the cost of the machine. Also a lot of companies rent machines instead of owning them also. Add on top of that the cost of supporting linux machines / training etc. Regards, On 07/09/2007, Michael Holloway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [-| I just realized how long this is, sorry in advance :) |-] > > I was just on Dell's site, I thought out of interest i'll go see what > they have. While you can find Ubuntu machines by browsing, its not > exactly advertised... so you will never come accross it unless you are > looking for it, and unless you know what "Open-source PC's" means. > > So i wonder: why bother? > > Here's why i think. > > 1. Well, no need to confuse the average user with the concept of "What > do you mean it doesn't have windows?", because they wont take that > option anyway. While i haven't looked into it too much, the cost > difference will be almost negligable so no general users will buy it. > > - so far: No sales increase > > 2. How many Linux users would buy a one? I'm not sure i can answer this, > but i imagine not too many. Most linux users like to customise their > machines, and put all the latest and greatest (or cheapest and oldest) > compenents into it. So they would normally buy a machine and put bits in > it, and download whatever linux distro they want. Lets be fair, Dells > are good for the office, but they are not particularly good, hardware- > wise. > > - so far: No sales increase (maybe a small one?) > > 3. Now we look at IT department buyers. They (we?) have to buy X number > of new desktops/laptops for the HR dept or Sales dept or something. We > know they use windows, but we dont really care what make the computer > is. Therefor we buy whatever good deal comes along from whoever it is. > However, now with Dell "supporting the OSS community", how many Buyers > are going to support Dell in return. Even if it is just buying Windows > PC's for HR. I think a lot of "us" would go with Dell purely for that > reason. > > - and now: Large business sales increase!! > > In summary, i think Dell are making a lot of money, not from the Ubuntu > deal, but because of it! > > What do think, am i just talking rubbish? > (or do i have too much time on my hands today?) > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] For all you BSG fans out there!
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:33:56 + STONE COLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok i downloaded this. followed your instructions...tried to run the > file. > > this is what it tells me "Could not open location > 'file:///./BtRLDemoInstaller.run "The location or file could not be > found' That looks a lot like the response from a run dialogue. If you want to run the installer from there you need to specify the full path to it. ./ is a way of running executables that are in the current directory. I don't know what the installer mentioned actually does. If it has a text interface then you will need to run it in a terminal (either start a terminal, navigate to the directory containing it and enter ./BtRLDemoInstaller.run or use the run dialogue giving the full path the the installer and checking the run in terminal option) If it has a graphical interface then just specifying the full path in the run dialogue should get it going. One other thing you'll have to do is make sure the installer has the executable permission set, which it wouldn't normally have when downloaded. You can set the executable permissions with your file manager of choice or the chmod command (something along the lines of 'chmod u+x BtRLDemoInstaller.run' in the directory containing the installer). Robert -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] For all you BSG fans out there!
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:53:08 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] For all you BSG fans out there!>> As promised - here's a link to download the game: Nowt special, I just> quickly installed a webserver onto my vps, so I don't know how quick> it'll be. I'll leave it up a few days for those that want to use it.>> http://server.justuber.com/>> Cheers>> Chris>> --> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Ok i downloaded this. followed your instructions...tried to run the file. this is what it tells me "Could not open location 'file:///./BtRLDemoInstaller.run "The location or file could not be found' Help? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
mwuahahaha you poor ITIL slave. I am trying VERY hard to avoid that myself. And where's my beer? Regards, On 07/09/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think you are correct in that companies (directors managers etc) are > > looking for IT process. But IT departments are run by those people. The > > heads of IT/IT Managers/IT Directors/CTOs (who are on 50k+) are responsible > > for such business. The IT department, or the team itself needs to be made up > > of geeks: sys admin,programmers,support etc. (< 50k) > > > > Perhaps the problem comes in where too many people are aiming for the large > > salary too early! But hey, who can blame them! I'd love a salary like that! > > I kind of agree, but things are a-changing. Up until a few months ago, > I was chugging along as a happy techie in a departmental IT team when > all of a sudden, crash bang awallop - ITIL happened! > > Departmental IT was dissolved, and a few of us (including yours-truly) > got redeployed into service level management teams to work as a bridge > between IT and the customer. > > No more do I get to fiddle with the gadgets that I love so much (well, > not at work anyway!) as my job now consists of helping organise > projects, reviewing SLA's and general non-techie megubbins. I'd love a > Linux job! But it seems that a lot of IT work in the country is > sliding away from the techie and to the suit :-( > > Chris > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Elise media centre
can this be used as both a media centre and a standalone computer?...mythbuntu that is? Which is the current version? I can pimp my desktop in gutsy ..but not fiesty...dont know if this is relevant...thought to mention it! :) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep > 2007 14:58:24 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Elise media centre> > On Fri, > 2007-09-07 at 12:48 +, STONE COLD wrote:> > Does anyone have any > experience of installing Elise media centre (or> > any other MC) on gutsy.?> > > > > what did you find?> > Hi Stone,> > I am a big fan of MythTV; > Mythbuntu[0] is a MythTV distribution> currently running on Gutsy. Obviously > both should be considered> unstable, as Gutsy is not yet released. However, > many people are> finding success, and the installer makes it easier to set up > MythTV. > > Feel free to try the Alpha4 iso, and consider giving feedback on > the> ubuntu-mythtv mailing list[1], or raise any bugs on launchpad.> > Kind > Regards,> Dave Walker> (Part of the Mythbuntu Team)> > > [0] > http://mythbuntu.org/> [1] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
> I think you are correct in that companies (directors managers etc) are > looking for IT process. But IT departments are run by those people. The > heads of IT/IT Managers/IT Directors/CTOs (who are on 50k+) are responsible > for such business. The IT department, or the team itself needs to be made up > of geeks: sys admin,programmers,support etc. (< 50k) > > Perhaps the problem comes in where too many people are aiming for the large > salary too early! But hey, who can blame them! I'd love a salary like that! I kind of agree, but things are a-changing. Up until a few months ago, I was chugging along as a happy techie in a departmental IT team when all of a sudden, crash bang awallop - ITIL happened! Departmental IT was dissolved, and a few of us (including yours-truly) got redeployed into service level management teams to work as a bridge between IT and the customer. No more do I get to fiddle with the gadgets that I love so much (well, not at work anyway!) as my job now consists of helping organise projects, reviewing SLA's and general non-techie megubbins. I'd love a Linux job! But it seems that a lot of IT work in the country is sliding away from the techie and to the suit :-( Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Elise media centre
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 12:48 +, STONE COLD wrote: > Does anyone have any experience of installing Elise media centre (or > any other MC) on gutsy.? > > what did you find? Hi Stone, I am a big fan of MythTV; Mythbuntu[0] is a MythTV distribution currently running on Gutsy. Obviously both should be considered unstable, as Gutsy is not yet released. However, many people are finding success, and the installer makes it easier to set up MythTV. Feel free to try the Alpha4 iso, and consider giving feedback on the ubuntu-mythtv mailing list[1], or raise any bugs on launchpad. Kind Regards, Dave Walker (Part of the Mythbuntu Team) [0] http://mythbuntu.org/ [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 01:53:37PM +0100, Dianne Reuby wrote: > Have you thought of running an online version for those who can't make > the location(s)? A virtual assistants group that I belonged to had a > virtual office party every Christmas using our chatroom (MSN, Trillian, > Gaim, etc). We all just dropped in and out whenever work or other > commitments allowed. We had (IIRC) #ubuntu-releaseparty on Freenode last time round. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Re-installs - How do exp users do it?
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 10:42:11AM +0100, Eddie Armstrong wrote: > I often read users saying when a new or new stable version is released > they do a fresh install and then re-install all their configs and > programs and other goodies. > So... > If I want to do a fresh install as above to end up with almost a clone > of my present system running on a new version of Ubuntu (or just a clean > one ) how can I get all my settings and all my programs etc without > doing it all manually - one program at a time ?? How do the exp people > do it? IME most of the real experts just upgrade, and that's what we (the Ubuntu development team) recommend. You should only need to reinstall if you've really screwed up your system and can't figure out how to get it back. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:31:18PM +0100, John Levin wrote: > I'd like to suggest, for the late-waking Londoners, the Pembury Tavern > in Hackney. > > http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/pembury/ > > I know it's a bit out of the way, and I admit I've not been there since > it reopened, but it has wireless and runs linux. See the last issue of > Linux User and Developer for the full story, or this blog post: > http://erik-fuller.blogspot.com/2007/05/now-here-is-pub-that-isnt-going-to-be.html Steve's a friend of mine and a former Debian developer (see xorg/debian/rules, for instance), and the Pembury's a fine pub. I second that recommendation. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 06:45:15PM +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 22:00 +0100, Josh Blacker wrote: > > What time is the final iso released? > > When they say so :) > > When feisty released the ISO was on the site for a couple of days and > didn't change when the release announcement was made. There were two factors there, which are the same for every release. I was kind of amazed at how much some people got upset that we were telling them we hadn't released yet even though the ISO images were available. Firstly, obviously, you don't want to build the final ISO image ten minutes before release (although we came pretty close with the Warty preview ...); you want to have plenty of time to test it first. Ideally, in fact, the release candidate would be identical to the release, though this has never actually happened. Secondly, one of the things on the critical path to release is always getting the ISO images out to mirrors so that Canonical only gets mostly swamped rather than entirely swamped; thus, we put it in a hidden directory on releases.ubuntu.com for a while before the actual release and just symlink it into place near the end. Even after it's symlinked into place on the main site, we still need to get mirrors to rsync that update before we can release. This whole strategy is stymied by people getting excited and telling everyone to download early, before the announcement goes out; we send out the announcement once we're satisfied that enough mirrors have got it. So remember, if you tell everyone, "hey, the images are up, go and download them!" before the announcement goes out, chances are you're actually delaying the release! > > Just thinking if you could install a new operating system on your > > laptop over breakfast it would make good press. > > Or just install feisty and then dist-upgrade to gutsy repeatedly until > the night before or the morning of the release. Not so press-friendly though. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:00:07PM +0100, Josh Blacker wrote: > What time is the final iso released? Just thinking if you could > install a new operating system on your laptop over breakfast it would > make good press. A windows installation would take until at least > brunch to finish, without all the extra drivers and programs... Sorry to say it's more usually around the middle of the day in the UK; with Canonical's HQ in London, trying to release first thing usually doesn't work out, as there are too many things to do that day beforehand. That sort of time of day also means we have no trouble catching the European press, while the American press pick it up as soon as they wake up. Of course, this might work out OK for morning launch parties as long as they were willing to run a bit late. This may vary, though, and we try not to announce exact times in advance, otherwise you end up with the "OMG, Ubuntu is five minutes late to release!!!1!" thing, which gets annoying. :-) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Going back to the Dell deal...
[-| I just realized how long this is, sorry in advance :) |-] I was just on Dell's site, I thought out of interest i'll go see what they have. While you can find Ubuntu machines by browsing, its not exactly advertised... so you will never come accross it unless you are looking for it, and unless you know what "Open-source PC's" means. So i wonder: why bother? Here's why i think. 1. Well, no need to confuse the average user with the concept of "What do you mean it doesn't have windows?", because they wont take that option anyway. While i haven't looked into it too much, the cost difference will be almost negligable so no general users will buy it. - so far: No sales increase 2. How many Linux users would buy a one? I'm not sure i can answer this, but i imagine not too many. Most linux users like to customise their machines, and put all the latest and greatest (or cheapest and oldest) compenents into it. So they would normally buy a machine and put bits in it, and download whatever linux distro they want. Lets be fair, Dells are good for the office, but they are not particularly good, hardware- wise. - so far: No sales increase (maybe a small one?) 3. Now we look at IT department buyers. They (we?) have to buy X number of new desktops/laptops for the HR dept or Sales dept or something. We know they use windows, but we dont really care what make the computer is. Therefor we buy whatever good deal comes along from whoever it is. However, now with Dell "supporting the OSS community", how many Buyers are going to support Dell in return. Even if it is just buying Windows PC's for HR. I think a lot of "us" would go with Dell purely for that reason. - and now: Large business sales increase!! In summary, i think Dell are making a lot of money, not from the Ubuntu deal, but because of it! What do think, am i just talking rubbish? (or do i have too much time on my hands today?) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
Let me just firstly apologise to anyone who got offended by the generalisation. Although i do agree that the whole thing came out a bit bias, and a bit prejudice... it wasn't my intention :) Re: Matthew Larsens comments on business process: I think you are correct in that companies (directors managers etc) are looking for IT process. But IT departments are run by those people. The heads of IT/IT Managers/IT Directors/CTOs (who are on 50k+) are responsible for such business. The IT department, or the team itself needs to be made up of geeks: sys admin,programmers,support etc. (< 50k) Perhaps the problem comes in where too many people are aiming for the large salary too early! But hey, who can blame them! I'd love a salary like that! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Elise media centre
Does anyone have any experience of installing Elise media centre (or any other MC) on gutsy.? what did you find?-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
hey, not all us comp sci people are bad! :-( I am very much a geek tyvm. I'm a business geek. I do understand what you are saying though. A lot of comp-sci grads just want to go away thinking they are the dogs bollocks in programming and what-not. But that simply isnt important to companies. Programming like that gets offshored to India where its cheaper; you NEED to have the business knowledge as well. Hence I get involved and ran a society, did film commissions and got myself on this placement year, ya de da de da... >From my (limited) experience in the IT world so far it seems that businesses are after people who use IT to solve or enhance business processes. As I say to others: It's not programming, its IT. Being a tech-head as I am the low-level stuff comes in incredibly useful. You know exactly what is and isnt possible and are able to have a MUCH wider range of tools and possibilities at your disposal to solve these business problems. If you know these techs inside-out and have the business knowledge to go with it you will be amazed at how much your opinion counts in the big decisions (especially if you save them money ;-) If VBA code running in Access is what they want, fine, no problem. If they want a distributed system running off the back of Oracle, fine, no problem. If they want to hop onto the latest web2.0 ajax ruby-on-rails tech bandwagon, fine, no problem. If what they want is total overkill and want more options fine, no problem. This is the advantage you get with CS degrees as opposed to IT degrees which focus more on the business side. The trick is finding the happy medium I think this needs to be made a lot clearer to CS students in (especially my) university. Not so much as in teaching it, but making them aware. A Computer Science degree IS a Computer Science degree not an IT degree. Regards, On 07/09/2007, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is weird... > > I work with an IT department of say around a hundred people. Of which, > not one IT degree educated person knows how to administer a Linux > system. The only people who will do anything with Linux, Unix etc are > the fiddlers and hackers (mostly no degree or Uni drop-outs). > > We run a Windows based infrastructure where these people will not > administer or implement software unless they have attended a training > course specialising in it. > > This kind of beggars the question, what is the point of making a > degree a requirement for someone in systems support/administration? > > In my experience, I'd take 1 god to honest geek over 5 random comp sci > graduates any day of the week. Of course you do see geeks who go on to > uni to follow their interests which is also good too. I'd wouldn't put > the impetus on holding a degree however, I know too many people with > 'em who've had to ask for help recovering Windows XP ;-) > > Cheers > > Chris > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
It is weird... I work with an IT department of say around a hundred people. Of which, not one IT degree educated person knows how to administer a Linux system. The only people who will do anything with Linux, Unix etc are the fiddlers and hackers (mostly no degree or Uni drop-outs). We run a Windows based infrastructure where these people will not administer or implement software unless they have attended a training course specialising in it. This kind of beggars the question, what is the point of making a degree a requirement for someone in systems support/administration? In my experience, I'd take 1 god to honest geek over 5 random comp sci graduates any day of the week. Of course you do see geeks who go on to uni to follow their interests which is also good too. I'd wouldn't put the impetus on holding a degree however, I know too many people with 'em who've had to ask for help recovering Windows XP ;-) Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hard drive partitions/ Space
Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 10:51 +, STONE COLD wrote: > I have a dual boot installed on an 80gb hd. I installed a 400gb for my > media. I partitioned this 400gb hd into two 200gb partitions But after > a gutsy install they are now showing 186gb of free space each! > I don’t understand why this is? > Any information will be appreciated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte It's because the marketing people at the hard disk manufacturers decided that 200GB = 20x1000x1000x1000 whereas in computer software 20GB = 20x1024x1024x1024, what you're seeing is the discrepancy. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hard drive partitions/ Space
STONE COLD wrote: > I have a dual boot installed on an 80gb hd. I installed a 400gb for > my media. I partitioned this 400gb hd into two 200gb partitions But > after a gutsy install they are now showing 186gb of free space each! > I don’t understand why this is? Any information will be appreciated > Regards Javad > That's about right. The journal and other bits take up some space. Also HD manufacturers quote the space in base ten and the software often uses base 2. So, instead of a kilobyte being 1024 bytes the manufactures have it at 1000 bytes. steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hard drive partitions/ Space
Hi Javad, On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 10:51 +, STONE COLD wrote: > I have a dual boot installed on an 80gb hd. I installed a 400gb for my > media. I partitioned this 400gb hd into two 200gb partitions But after > a gutsy install they are now showing 186gb of free space each! > I don’t understand why this is? > Any information will be appreciated This has to do with the way that hard disk manufacturers count disk space. A kilobyte is 1024 bytes, a megabyte is 1024 kilobytes and a gigabyte is 1024 megabytes. These are the definitions that the computer uses (1024 is 2^10, as computers use base 2, binary, instead of base 10, denary). However, hard disk manufacturers count in 1000s rather than 1024s. This means that 1GB for a disk manufacturer (1000^3 bytes) is actually 0.931GB ([1000/1024]^3) for everyone else. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hard drive partitions/ Space
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 10:51 +, STONE COLD wrote: > I have a dual boot installed on an 80gb hd. I installed a 400gb for my > media. I partitioned this 400gb hd into two 200gb partitions But after > a gutsy install they are now showing 186gb of free space each! > I don’t understand why this is? > Any information will be appreciated > Regards > Javad > > > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > http://www.star.net.uk > >From man mkfs.ext2: " -m reserved-blocks-percentage Specify the percentage of the filesystem blocks reserved for the super-user. This avoids fragmentation, and allows root-owned daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the filesystem. The default percentage is 5%. " 200 - 5% = 190GB ish and different tools report it differently. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Hard drive partitions/ Space
I have a dual boot installed on an 80gb hd. I installed a 400gb for my media. I partitioned this 400gb hd into two 200gb partitions But after a gutsy install they are now showing 186gb of free space each! I don’t understand why this is? Any information will be appreciated Regards Javad-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
well i guess ill go with the finger test thenThe heatsink was cool...couldnt feel any heat whatsoeverso ill assume that my pc is running nice and cool! at the stated 31c! Sweet > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep > 2007 11:33:58 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update> > > On Fri, > 2007-09-07 at 10:31 +, STONE COLD wrote:> > ok so ill try and update the > bios! see if that brings any joy> > Don't just do it for the sake of it > though. Have a look on the> manufacturers site, see if they have published a > later version of the> BIOS than you have then upgrade if it says about your > issue. If it> doesnt say then drop the support mail address a message about > the issue,> they may have a BIOS they haven't published or they may be able > to offer> help for this issue.> > For firmware, the old saying "If it aint > broke, don't fix it" applies so> only upgrade your BIOS if you know it will > solve your issue.> > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 10:31 +, STONE COLD wrote: > ok so ill try and update the bios! see if that brings any joy Don't just do it for the sake of it though. Have a look on the manufacturers site, see if they have published a later version of the BIOS than you have then upgrade if it says about your issue. If it doesnt say then drop the support mail address a message about the issue, they may have a BIOS they haven't published or they may be able to offer help for this issue. For firmware, the old saying "If it aint broke, don't fix it" applies so only upgrade your BIOS if you know it will solve your issue. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
I see what you mean... ok so ill try and update the bios! see if that brings any joy > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep > 2007 11:23:43 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update> > > On Fri, > 2007-09-07 at 09:59 +, STONE COLD wrote:> > How do you know my > motherboard isnt new?lol> > > > You said it was new. But motherboards aren't > made and then shipped> directly to your house from the plant in Taiwan! They > sit in a> warehouse, then get shipped to a distributor, then to the retailer> > (sometimes that last bit is skipped). The upshot is you're pretty much> never > going to buy a computer part that was made within days of it> arriving in > your hands.> > > Actually it did come with a disc to update the bios from > the> > supplier...but that was in windows! > > > > Best place to find updates > is on the website of the motherboard> manufacturer.> > Cheers,> Al.-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The way i see it, there are 2 types of compter poeple: "Geeks", and > "Comptuter Experts". (and no offence to those who dont like the term geek) > > A Geek doesn't like to be told how/why things work - he/she like to > figure things out... so probably no university degrees etc. > A Computer expert has done 5 years in university and has a list of > expertise etc... > > When it comes to crunch time, sit the two of them in front of two > machines with the same problem: > > 1. The geek takes 30 minutes to fix it. > If the expert has studied the problem, he can fix it in 10 minutes. If > he has not, he cant fix it. > > Thats a rather big generalisation... but it gives caution to the > hiring process when half of your systems run a lot custom built > apps/server software. > > I much rather hear from a potential that he/she had put ther first > computer together at the age of 10, and was writing DOS batch scripts > to free up the extended memory in order to start games on an old 486 > etc..., than to hear that they have studied "point-and-click" > techniques (courtesy Paul) for the last 5 years, and know it like the > back of their hand. I think you just described me to a tee including the 486 remark or it may have been a 386 but close enough and i was actually 9. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 09:59 +, STONE COLD wrote: > How do you know my motherboard isnt new?lol > You said it was new. But motherboards aren't made and then shipped directly to your house from the plant in Taiwan! They sit in a warehouse, then get shipped to a distributor, then to the retailer (sometimes that last bit is skipped). The upshot is you're pretty much never going to buy a computer part that was made within days of it arriving in your hands. > Actually it did come with a disc to update the bios from the > supplier...but that was in windows! > Best place to find updates is on the website of the motherboard manufacturer. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
Ive never flashed my motherboard before im scared il fry it lol > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep > 2007 11:05:06 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update> > > On Fri, > 2007-09-07 at 09:59 +, STONE COLD wrote:> > How do you know my > motherboard isnt new?lol> > > > Actually it did come with a disc to update > the bios from the> > supplier...but that was in windows!> > All the problems > get discovered with firmware/BIOS' when they are first> released. Generally > after 4/5 BIOS revisions they are normally stable.> > If you get onto the > manufacturer they should be able to send you an> image which has freedos and > awdflash.exe on it or something.> > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
The way i see it, there are 2 types of compter poeple: "Geeks", and "Comptuter Experts". (and no offence to those who dont like the term geek) A Geek doesn't like to be told how/why things work - he/she like to figure things out... so probably no university degrees etc. A Computer expert has done 5 years in university and has a list of expertise etc... When it comes to crunch time, sit the two of them in front of two machines with the same problem: 1. The geek takes 30 minutes to fix it. If the expert has studied the problem, he can fix it in 10 minutes. If he has not, he cant fix it. Thats a rather big generalisation... but it gives caution to the hiring process when half of your systems run a lot custom built apps/server software. I much rather hear from a potential that he/she had put ther first computer together at the age of 10, and was writing DOS batch scripts to free up the extended memory in order to start games on an old 486 etc..., than to hear that they have studied "point-and-click" techniques (courtesy Paul) for the last 5 years, and know it like the back of their hand. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 09:59 +, STONE COLD wrote: > How do you know my motherboard isnt new?lol > > Actually it did come with a disc to update the bios from the > supplier...but that was in windows! All the problems get discovered with firmware/BIOS' when they are first released. Generally after 4/5 BIOS revisions they are normally stable. If you get onto the manufacturer they should be able to send you an image which has freedos and awdflash.exe on it or something. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
How do you know my motherboard isnt new?lol Actually it did come with a disc to update the bios from the supplier...but that was in windows! > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep > 2007 10:41:25 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update> > > On Fri, > 2007-09-07 at 08:20 +, STONE COLD wrote:> > didnt think i needed any..its > a new motherboard so!!!> > > > Hahaha, don't you believe it!> > Example. > My brand new Toshiba laptop run at around half the speed that> it _should_ > under Linux. I benchmarked it and it was truly awful.> Looking on the Toshiba > website I found a BIOS update that came out a> short while after I bought the > laptop. It _required_ windows (which> irritated me no end) to install. So I > backed up ubuntu, wiped the hard> disk and installed XP from the recovery CD > - giving it only 10G, then> applied the BIOS update, reinstalled Ubuntu (in > the remaining 90G) et> voila! It was much faster.> > BIOS updates can appear > at any time after manufacture, and the> motherboard you have is far from new, > it will have been physically> manufactured some weeks or months before.> > > Cheers,> Al.-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 08:20 +, STONE COLD wrote: > didnt think i needed any..its a new motherboard so!!! > Hahaha, don't you believe it! Example. My brand new Toshiba laptop run at around half the speed that it _should_ under Linux. I benchmarked it and it was truly awful. Looking on the Toshiba website I found a BIOS update that came out a short while after I bought the laptop. It _required_ windows (which irritated me no end) to install. So I backed up ubuntu, wiped the hard disk and installed XP from the recovery CD - giving it only 10G, then applied the BIOS update, reinstalled Ubuntu (in the remaining 90G) et voila! It was much faster. BIOS updates can appear at any time after manufacture, and the motherboard you have is far from new, it will have been physically manufactured some weeks or months before. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
Apologies for the long post. I've followed this debate with interest. I am a university lecturer and I used to manage the Industrial Placements Unit at the School of Computing and IT at the University of Wolverhampton. One option that is often overlooked is that of university placement students. Most universities run one or many Industrial Placements Units, who assist in the process of finding placement opportunities for university students who are on a four year "sandwich" degree. Employing placement students has a number of benefits: - they have had 2 years of current university education - they are comparably VERY inexpensive than a "trained" employee, yet are typically productive in a shorter timescale than an unskilled trainee - they are with the organisation for 1 year, so if they don't fit the needs of the organisation, there are no issues involving termination or renewal of contracts - if they do fit the needs, there are opportunities to employ the person, and allow them to complete their education part-time, or a "promise" to employ at the end of the degree, or other negotiable positions between the student and organisation - the students are typically extremely eager and grateful for the opportunity to be productive in the "real world", and are typically very well motivated to achieve and succeed Whilst I'm obviously keen to promote my own university, I would encourage you to look to advertising your available positions with any/all/local universities - most students will relocate from their university or home location for the right opportunity. I hope this is useful - apologies for the long-winded lecture! :-) Matthew Green -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
Mark Harrison wrote: >>> Money seems to do quite well in them.Oh, talk about a Freudian slip. >>> That should have been "Einstein and Monet" :-) >>> >>> In my defence, I use a qwerty keyboard :-) :- >>> I thought that was the latest nickname for the CEO of M$ :-) He does all right in them too! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
didnt think i needed any..its a new motherboard so!!! > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep > 2007 09:01:24 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update> > > On Fri, > 2007-09-07 at 07:33 +, STONE COLD wrote:> > > > Ok i did the hand test > i.e i touched the heatsink and it wasnt hot at> > all..i could barely feel > any warmth coming from there!> > > > By the way for those talking bout > sensors When i type it into> > terminal ..it gives me temps for both > cores...and sometimes they are> > showing as different temps!> > > > > > > > > > Sounds like it is < 30 then.> > Also sounds like you have a bug in the > BIOS. Have you looked for BIOS> upgrades?> > > > -- > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where to find good labour
Matthew Larsen wrote: >> However, realise that programming skill is only PART of what a typical >> employer is looking for - ability to work as part of a team, rather than >> adopt a "primadona" attitude. If everyone else in the organisation wears >> suits, don't expect to show up in jeans a T-shirt... on the flip side, >> if everyone is wearing polo shirts and chinos, don't be the only one in >> a 3-piece suit :-) >> >> Wearing a suit doesn't make you a "suit", and if you claim that wearing >> a suit stifles creativity, consider that Einstein and Money seems to do >> quite well in them. >> > > Second that. > > Oh, talk about a Freudian slip. That should have been "Einstein and Monet" :-) In my defence, I use a qwerty keyboard :-) :-) M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 07:33 +, STONE COLD wrote: > > Ok i did the hand test i.e i touched the heatsink and it wasnt hot at > all..i could barely feel any warmth coming from there! > > By the way for those talking bout sensors When i type it into > terminal ..it gives me temps for both cores...and sometimes they are > showing as different temps! > > > > Sounds like it is < 30 then. Also sounds like you have a bug in the BIOS. Have you looked for BIOS upgrades? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps-Update
Ok i did the hand test i.e i touched the heatsink and it wasnt hot at all..i could barely feel any warmth coming from there! By the way for those talking bout sensors When i type it into terminal ..it gives me temps for both cores...and sometimes they are showing as different temps! > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:04:04 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] CPU temps> > Alan Pope > wrote:> > Hi Rob,> > > > On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 18:33 +0100, Rob Beard wrote:> > >> Pete Stean wrote:> >>> hmm, I'm guessing here, but I would imagine one of > those is *supposed* > >>> to be CPU temp, the other is case temp - very > unsual for them to be the > >>> same, case temp is usually a couple degrees > more. It looks like it's > >>> reading the same sensor twice?? For instance > if I run 'sensors' I get > >>> 44c and 47c which I grok is ok> >>> Pete> > >> If it's an dual core Athlon 64 X2 5000+ then surely CPU1 will be the > >> > first core and CPU2 will be the second core?> >>> > > > I'd be very surprised > if there were two sensors on the die, and if there> > were, they'd surely > read the same.> > > > My dual core intel laptop has one sensor only.> > > > > Cheers,> > Al.> > Ahh I'm surprised, I thought the Intel Dual > Core chips > were just two single core CPU's glued together :-) fanboyism>*> > I see your point, the cores are so close together, or one one > bit of > silicon that it probably would read the same. Thinking about it a > bit > more, maybe it's some sort of configuration issue? Dodgy sensors on the > > motherboard?> > Rob> > * Yep, I'm a self confessed AMD fanboy but I can't > ignore the fact that > them Core 2 Duo chips are very desirable.> > -- > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
