Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql
Hi Patrick, To return to your original request about Java, Oracle have prevented it being easily available in distributions' own package managers because of a license change. There's a PPA that gives you easy access to the latest versions of Java 6, 7 and 8. If you go to https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/java it has instructions on how to install and use the PPA. HTH, Neil On 15 May 2013 16:52, "surfer" wrote: > I have just updated my system to 12.10. > > I have been looking for both recent versions of Java and Postgresql, but > cannot find a key or lock that I can use to download them. Before I used > Synaptec, which seems no longer to exist. > > I wonder if somebody could assist me > > Many thanks > > Patrick Mulvey > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql
On 16 May 2013 09:51, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > I was looking at Dash Home, not at the Software Centre. The search box I was > talking about was the one on Dash Home. Synaptic used to be available direct > from there, presumably because it was already installed. But no more. I > never use the Software Centre (the red shopping bag). It's one of the first > things I remove from my collection of launchers after I install (reinstall) > Ubuntu. At first glance, it is nothing but a collection of vile commercial > products (hence the shopping bag icon, presumably). So I had forgotten it > even existed. I was thinking of Dash Home and the Software Centre as being > one and the same. Here, let me fix that for you. You forgot a few words. "I am really sorry and I owe apologies to Liam and to Patrick. I am not really familiar with computers, the terminology and with Linux, although I have been working with it for some years now. I was looking in the wrong program in the wrong place. I had not even tried to run the program that the other people in the thread were talking about. I had forgotten that it even existed. "I would like to apologise for the time I have wasted, the friction that I have caused and the disinformation and confusion that I have fostered because I did not follow the clear instructions given to me, nor did I study the screenshots or web links. I have wasted everyone's time by adamantly insisting that my views were respected, even though I was completely wrong and did not have a clue what I was doing. Indeed, when I was called on this, I insisted that I had a different version of the program or was on a different page. "I have learned some important lessons from this, both in terms of personal humility and in terms of listening to the advice of people who know more than me. I will not attempt to stick my oar in again in technical discussions which I do not understand. I will not make incorrect assertions such as 'synaptic cannot be installed from the GUI' or otherwise confidently state claims of things which I do not know about and then demand to be listened to." I could go on but I'm bored now and I'm sure the rest of you are too. Next time Rowan starts going on and on about how something doesn't work, though, remember this. Point this thread out to him. He is going to forget, because he does that. He is a fine example of the Dunning-Kruger effect: he is too incompetent to realise how incompetent he is. Unfortunately, he is also a fine example of the dictum "loud, confident and wrong." -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 09:08 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Rowan Berkeley wrote: > > > it remains a fact that if > > Synaptic was available in any of the categories of the Software > > Center, including 'Technical Items' if such a thing exists, then a > > general search from the search box would find it, and it doesn't. > > It does here: > > http://avi.co/s/synapticinsoftwarecentre.png > > It's in the Universe repository, whose default state I can't remember > but it's not 'main' so it's feasible that it's not enabled by default. > Is that the source of the supposed need to use the terminal to install > it? What's this terminal process? I'm intrigued as to what would cause > a package to be available to (presumably) apt*, but not to the > software centre. > > -- > Avi > Dear Avi You are quite right. I believe that the upshot of this rather lengthy thread is that I should have gone to Specsavers. However, one great advantage of using the commands in the terminal is that everyone does or should know exactly what they do, whereas if one gets into a stew with Synaptic and the Software Centre, one is very dependent on the good offices of people of a charitable disposition such as yourself. Many thanks for your response Patrick Mulvey -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql
Rowan Berkeley wrote: > I was looking at Dash Home, not at the Software Centre. The search > box I was talking about was the one on Dash Home. Synaptic used to > be available direct from there, presumably because it was already > installed. But no more. I never use the Software Centre (the red > shopping bag). It's one of the first things I remove from my > collection of launchers after I install (reinstall) Ubuntu. At first > glance, it is nothing but a collection of vile commercial products > (hence the shopping bag icon, presumably). So I had forgotten it > even existed. I was thinking of Dash Home and the Software Centre as > being one and the same. The Software Centre is the current graphical interface to the package managers. One of the new things it does is support the distribution of commercial software, but you can get all the Free software stuff through it, too. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql
On 16/05/13 08:45, Colin Law wrote: -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I was looking at Dash Home, not at the Software Centre. The search box I was talking about was the one on Dash Home. Synaptic used to be available direct from there, presumably because it was already installed. But no more. I never use the Software Centre (the red shopping bag). It's one of the first things I remove from my collection of launchers after I install (reinstall) Ubuntu. At first glance, it is nothing but a collection of vile commercial products (hence the shopping bag icon, presumably). So I had forgotten it even existed. I was thinking of Dash Home and the Software Centre as being one and the same. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql
Rowan Berkeley wrote: > it remains a fact that if > Synaptic was available in any of the categories of the Software > Center, including 'Technical Items' if such a thing exists, then a > general search from the search box would find it, and it doesn't. It does here: http://avi.co/s/synapticinsoftwarecentre.png It's in the Universe repository, whose default state I can't remember but it's not 'main' so it's feasible that it's not enabled by default. Is that the source of the supposed need to use the terminal to install it? What's this terminal process? I'm intrigued as to what would cause a package to be available to (presumably) apt*, but not to the software centre. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql
On 15 May 2013 21:08, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > On 15/05/13 20:56, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 15 May 2013 20:36, Rowan Berkeley wrote: >>> >>> Yes, well, it's possible I'm under some sort of spell. But I tried >>> switching >>> off the privacy control, in case by some peculiar chain of logic that was >>> relevant, but it still wasn't there. There's 'Legal Notice' at the bottom >>> right, but nothing at the bottom left. In any case, to return to the >>> original query, it remains a fact that if Synaptic was available in any >>> of >>> the categories of the Software Center, including 'Technical Items' if >>> such a >>> thing exists, then a general search from the search box would find it, >>> and >>> it doesn't. That is why people have to use the terminal to obtain >>> Synaptic. >> >> YES IT DOES. >> >> Because if there is one thing that irritates me more than a bolshie >> user who can't see what is in front of them, it's a user who can't see >> what is in front of them and tells me I am wrong. >> >> So I just fired up my VM with Raring installed - full clean install, >> Unity, no extras - and tried it. >> >> The first hit in Ubuntu Software Centre when I search for "Synaptic" is: >> >> Synaptic Package Manager * (266) >> Install, remove and upgrade software packages >> >> And at the bottom of the screen, it says: >> >> Show 8 technical items >> >> In other words, it does EXACTLY what I have described and when you >> keep telling people "you can't install Synaptic from the Ubuntu >> Software Centre" you are wrong. >> >> >> >> -- >> Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile >> Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven >> MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven >> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 >> > You have a regrettable tendency to personalise everything. It would be > simpler, and less offensive, to accept that for some reason we're looking at > different versions of the Software Center, or different 'pages' in it, so to > speak. Post a screenshot please, then everything should be resolved. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
