Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
2009/3/10 Michael G Fletcher : > Great stuff! > > Out of interest, how much did they credit you? £62.82+VAT! The laptop cost £399 (including VAT). -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Turner wrote: > 2009/3/8 Michael G Fletcher : >> Andrew, not sure if you have tried yet, but I have a friend that >> bought a Dell and had no trouble getting a refund [1] :-) >> >> Good Luck >> --Michael >> >> [1] http://www.ducklight.net/node/42 > > Michael, > > Thanks for the link. > > After confirming to Dell UK Customer Services that I was unable to > accept the License Agreement, they have credited the cost of Vista > back to my account - and I don't even have to return anything! > > Easy! > > Andrew Great stuff! Out of interest, how much did they credit you? -- _ Michael Fletcher Visit my website here - http://www.mgfletcher.com/blog Interested in Linux? Then visit - http://www.ilovemylinux.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:54 PM, James Milligan wrote: > Also the UK hasn't conformed to the EU metric system - 'we' still use > imperial measurments. You've lost me there... it's still illegal to not display a metric weight on goods being sold, I believe... last autumn the government announced that small traders who did not would not be prosecuted "as it isn't in the public interest", but they're still technically breaking the law. Not sure what the situation is with the weight of a laptop, as the price is not really related to the weight in the way that, say, Corn Flakes or apples would be. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On 10/03/2009 10:09, Andrew Turner wrote: > 2009/3/8 Michael G Fletcher: > >> Andrew, not sure if you have tried yet, but I have a friend that >> bought a Dell and had no trouble getting a refund [1] :-) >> >> Good Luck >> --Michael >> >> [1] http://www.ducklight.net/node/42 >> > > Michael, > > Thanks for the link. > > After confirming to Dell UK Customer Services that I was unable to > accept the License Agreement, they have credited the cost of Vista > back to my account - and I don't even have to return anything! > > Easy! > > Andrew > > That's good to know. Now if all hardware manufacturers were like that and didn't make their customers jump through hoops the world would be a much happier place :-) (okay, maybe not but it would make a whole load of Linux geeks happy). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
2009/3/8 Michael G Fletcher : > Andrew, not sure if you have tried yet, but I have a friend that > bought a Dell and had no trouble getting a refund [1] :-) > > Good Luck > --Michael > > [1] http://www.ducklight.net/node/42 Michael, Thanks for the link. After confirming to Dell UK Customer Services that I was unable to accept the License Agreement, they have credited the cost of Vista back to my account - and I don't even have to return anything! Easy! Andrew -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Andrew Turner wrote: > Hello, > > Just got myself one of the new Dell Inspiron 15 laptops (unfortunately > with Vista - they no longer do the Ubuntu pre-installed 1525). Thought > I'd let the list know that Intrepid runs out out the box with no > problems (wireless, bluetooth, compiz etc all work without any > configuration). > > I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from > Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten > me? > > Andrew Andrew, not sure if you have tried yet, but I have a friend that bought a Dell and had no trouble getting a refund [1] :-) Good Luck --Michael [1] http://www.ducklight.net/node/42 _ Michael Fletcher Visit my website here - http://www.mgfletcher.com/blog Interested in Linux? Then visit - http://www.ilovemylinux.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
Matt Jones wrote: > Dell build has improved recently, apart from the odd cockup. I have a > vostro 1400 that I have had for quite a while now, compared to the > 640m I had before (Smaller inspiron 6400), it is much better. The base Yeah, I've got an Inspiron 1520 which is rock-solid, has been trundled about in a backpack and luggage with just a foam sleeve for over a year now, works fine. Repair shops see more Dells because more people have Dells. They're a good and very popular choice. I'd have bought a Mini 9 too if it wasn't for the short battery life and lack of F-keys. Andrew Oakley Head of Software Development Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) 95 Promenade, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire GL50 1HZ T 01242 211460 F 01242 211122 W www.hesa.ac.uk _ Higher Education Statistics Agency Ltd (HESA) is a company limited by guarantee, registered in England at 95 Promenade Cheltenham GL50 1HZ. Registered No. 2766993. The members are Universities UK and GuildHE. Registered Charity No. 1039709. Certified to ISO 9001 and ISO 27001. HESA Services Ltd (HSL) is a wholly owned subsidiary of HESA, registered in England at the same address. Registered No. 3109219. _ This outgoing email was virus scanned for HESA by MessageLabs. _ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 22:49 +, Alec Wright wrote: > I bought an inspiron 6400 with ubuntu preloaded back in the ubuntu > feisty days (about 1.5 years ago). I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree > - their build quality is poor, as is their support. I'm not going to > deny that my laptop does take a bit of a beating being carried to and > from school every day, but this is a bit ridiculous: the left speaker > doesnt work, I've had to replace the keyboard after several keys > stopped working, the clip at the top of the screen jams, the screen's > hinges wobble, the CD drive keeps falling out, the xD card reader > doesnt work, the power cable fell apart (had to buy a new one), the > hard drive failed once - devouring my maths coursework (luckily i had > an only slightly out of date backup), the battery's at 63% and falling > of its nominal capacity (55.3 Wh compared to the 86.6 Wh that i payed > for), the bluetooth doesnt work, the carry bag's disintegrated, and > the heatsink has a kinder bueno wrapper in it. > Ok maybe the last one's my fault, but you get the idea I have had one of those since they came out and it's still fine. Mine was a bit more of a base model, no bluetooth and so on, but the only problem I've had was a HD failure, and that was a HD I bought to upgrade the one that it came with. (Oh yeah, and I no longer have an x key, but that's because I took it off to get something out from under it and broke the little metal clips that hold the key in) I do agree that the build quality isn't as good as a Thinkpad, you just have to treat them that little bit more respectful. I got a laptop backpack to carry mine in, and it's suffered no damage at all being carted around the country, back and forth into Uni and so on. Oh, and the battery in mine is now saying "Capacity 79% (Fair)" which is 68.9 Wh instead of 86.6 Wh. But I expect that kind of degredation from a laptop battery of this size anyway. Come a year or so when that drops a bit more it'll probably be new computer time anyway. -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
>> Dell build has improved recently, apart from the odd cockup. I have a >> vostro 1400 that I have had for quite a while now, As I said in my original post, the build quality of my new Inspiron 15 is very good. Admittedly I've only had it 2 days, but it feels very solid. Unlike my old Evesham, on which everything wobbled from day one. Mind you, it did run Gentoo for two years without suffering any compiling-induced hardware problems ;) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
2009/3/4 Matt Jones : > Dell build has improved recently, apart from the odd cockup. I have a > vostro 1400 that I have had for quite a while now, I thought the Vostro range were quite recent? So it can't be /that/ old. > The > build still isn't quite as good as my thinkpad, but isn't that far > off, and certainly better than many. Well that's what I was going to compare it with. I'm on my 3rd Thinkpad now. #1 was a 701C, the famous "Butterfly" model with the folding keyboard. 486DX75, 40MB RAM. Apart from me stupidly storing it with batteries fitted, so that they rotted & corroded its contacts, it is still perfectly intact, after a long, hard and heavy life - I got it 2nd hand and it was my main laptop for about 4-5 years. That was 8-9yr ago. Too many manufacturers do stupid things, like screen hinges screwed into the plastic lid, rather than a metal frame. Apple are better than most and even they don't age anywhere near as well as Thinkpads. A laptop need not be build of unobtainium and cost £4K to be robust - it just needs a bit of thought at the design stage and slightly better choice of parts. At the end of the day, if it costs £50 or £100 more but doesn't require a few hundred quid's worth of spares over its life, it's a better deal. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat, Yahoo & Skype: liamproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
2009/3/4 Matt Jones : > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:54 PM, James Milligan wrote: >> Wow that's had a beating! You're not wrong there! :-o I do think that apart from the benefits of SSDs in laptops, once the price:capacity ratio is a bit better, that there is a market for armoured laptops. Not as massive as the full-spec Panasonic Toughbooks, like these ones: http://sterlingxs.co.uk/scpages/panasonictoughbooklaptopcf27.html ... But a slightly less mil-spec but still tougher-than-average one. Laptops are taking more & more of the PC market & they tend to lead very hard lives. Just something a bit more like the "executive" Toughbooks: http://www.microanvika.com/product.asp?PNO=PAN14402 & indeed all these: http://www.microanvika.com/search.asp?keywords=toughbook Look more or less like a standard notebook PC, but can take being dropped, hit, liquid spills, closed with objects inside and so on. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat, Yahoo & Skype: liamproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:54 PM, James Milligan wrote: > Wow that's had a beating! > > Also the UK hasn't conformed to the EU metric system - 'we' still use > imperial measurments. > > Dell build quality is awful. The repair shop I work at gets more Dell > PCs than anything. I haven't dealt with support yet, thank God! > > James > > On 4 Mar 2009, at 22:49, Alec Wright wrote: > >> I bought an inspiron 6400 with ubuntu preloaded back in the ubuntu >> feisty days (about 1.5 years ago). I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree >> - their build quality is poor, as is their support. I'm not going to >> deny that my laptop does take a bit of a beating being carried to and >> from school every day, but this is a bit ridiculous: the left speaker >> doesnt work, I've had to replace the keyboard after several keys >> stopped working, the clip at the top of the screen jams, the screen's >> hinges wobble, the CD drive keeps falling out, the xD card reader >> doesnt work, the power cable fell apart (had to buy a new one), the >> hard drive failed once - devouring my maths coursework (luckily i had >> an only slightly out of date backup), the battery's at 63% and falling >> of its nominal capacity (55.3 Wh compared to the 86.6 Wh that i payed >> for), the bluetooth doesnt work, the carry bag's disintegrated, and >> the heatsink has a kinder bueno wrapper in it. >> Ok maybe the last one's my fault, but you get the idea >> When i phoned customer suppeort for a replacement hard drive, i think >> i spent a total of about an hour on hold, and got sent from department >> to department... ubuntu support, hardware support, ubuntu support >> again, back to hardware support, please hold, ubuntu support... etc >> etc >> Eventually the replacement hard drive came, in a cardboard box >> sandwiched between two bits of foam. Good thing i'm a techie sort of >> person. I know a lot of people who, if they were given a hard drive in >> a box, wouldnt have a clue what to do with it. >> Perhaps thats because its an ubuntu laptop? The idea that all linux >> users know how to replace a hard drive, upgrade ram, reformat a disk >> or whatever needs to stop if linux is to be accepted by the wider >> community, and not just geeks. >> >> 2009/3/4 David King : >>> It is a real shame that Dell no longer sell the 1525 with Ubuntu. I >>> bought one for a friend and she loves it. Now it is either a mini >>> laptop >>> or a much more powerful one, with the mini one being about the same >>> price as the old 1525. >>> >>> Also, off topic, why has Dell gone all American on their UK site, >>> putting lots of weights of laptops in lbs? Everywhere else vendors >>> are >>> describing theirs in kilograms. I doubt if I will ever buy a Dell >>> laptop >>> again. >>> >>> >>> David King >>> >>> >>> Andrew Turner wrote: Hello, Just got myself one of the new Dell Inspiron 15 laptops (unfortunately with Vista - they no longer do the Ubuntu pre-installed 1525). Thought I'd let the list know that Intrepid runs out out the box with no problems (wireless, bluetooth, compiz etc all work without any configuration). I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten me? Andrew >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > Dell build has improved recently, apart from the odd cockup. I have a vostro 1400 that I have had for quite a while now, compared to the 640m I had before (Smaller inspiron 6400), it is much better. The base feels like a thick metal, and the plastic top is pretty sturdy. The only issue that I have had, shared with pretty much every dell I had, the keys go shiny far too quickly. Dell's business support is good in my experience, I have never used the consumer support though. The build still isn't quite as good as my thinkpad, but isn't that far off, and certainly better than many. Mj. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
Wow that's had a beating! Also the UK hasn't conformed to the EU metric system - 'we' still use imperial measurments. Dell build quality is awful. The repair shop I work at gets more Dell PCs than anything. I haven't dealt with support yet, thank God! James On 4 Mar 2009, at 22:49, Alec Wright wrote: > I bought an inspiron 6400 with ubuntu preloaded back in the ubuntu > feisty days (about 1.5 years ago). I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree > - their build quality is poor, as is their support. I'm not going to > deny that my laptop does take a bit of a beating being carried to and > from school every day, but this is a bit ridiculous: the left speaker > doesnt work, I've had to replace the keyboard after several keys > stopped working, the clip at the top of the screen jams, the screen's > hinges wobble, the CD drive keeps falling out, the xD card reader > doesnt work, the power cable fell apart (had to buy a new one), the > hard drive failed once - devouring my maths coursework (luckily i had > an only slightly out of date backup), the battery's at 63% and falling > of its nominal capacity (55.3 Wh compared to the 86.6 Wh that i payed > for), the bluetooth doesnt work, the carry bag's disintegrated, and > the heatsink has a kinder bueno wrapper in it. > Ok maybe the last one's my fault, but you get the idea > When i phoned customer suppeort for a replacement hard drive, i think > i spent a total of about an hour on hold, and got sent from department > to department... ubuntu support, hardware support, ubuntu support > again, back to hardware support, please hold, ubuntu support... etc > etc > Eventually the replacement hard drive came, in a cardboard box > sandwiched between two bits of foam. Good thing i'm a techie sort of > person. I know a lot of people who, if they were given a hard drive in > a box, wouldnt have a clue what to do with it. > Perhaps thats because its an ubuntu laptop? The idea that all linux > users know how to replace a hard drive, upgrade ram, reformat a disk > or whatever needs to stop if linux is to be accepted by the wider > community, and not just geeks. > > 2009/3/4 David King : >> It is a real shame that Dell no longer sell the 1525 with Ubuntu. I >> bought one for a friend and she loves it. Now it is either a mini >> laptop >> or a much more powerful one, with the mini one being about the same >> price as the old 1525. >> >> Also, off topic, why has Dell gone all American on their UK site, >> putting lots of weights of laptops in lbs? Everywhere else vendors >> are >> describing theirs in kilograms. I doubt if I will ever buy a Dell >> laptop >> again. >> >> >> David King >> >> >> Andrew Turner wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Just got myself one of the new Dell Inspiron 15 laptops >>> (unfortunately >>> with Vista - they no longer do the Ubuntu pre-installed 1525). >>> Thought >>> I'd let the list know that Intrepid runs out out the box with no >>> problems (wireless, bluetooth, compiz etc all work without any >>> configuration). >>> >>> I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from >>> Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten >>> me? >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
I bought an inspiron 6400 with ubuntu preloaded back in the ubuntu feisty days (about 1.5 years ago). I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree - their build quality is poor, as is their support. I'm not going to deny that my laptop does take a bit of a beating being carried to and from school every day, but this is a bit ridiculous: the left speaker doesnt work, I've had to replace the keyboard after several keys stopped working, the clip at the top of the screen jams, the screen's hinges wobble, the CD drive keeps falling out, the xD card reader doesnt work, the power cable fell apart (had to buy a new one), the hard drive failed once - devouring my maths coursework (luckily i had an only slightly out of date backup), the battery's at 63% and falling of its nominal capacity (55.3 Wh compared to the 86.6 Wh that i payed for), the bluetooth doesnt work, the carry bag's disintegrated, and the heatsink has a kinder bueno wrapper in it. Ok maybe the last one's my fault, but you get the idea When i phoned customer suppeort for a replacement hard drive, i think i spent a total of about an hour on hold, and got sent from department to department... ubuntu support, hardware support, ubuntu support again, back to hardware support, please hold, ubuntu support... etc etc Eventually the replacement hard drive came, in a cardboard box sandwiched between two bits of foam. Good thing i'm a techie sort of person. I know a lot of people who, if they were given a hard drive in a box, wouldnt have a clue what to do with it. Perhaps thats because its an ubuntu laptop? The idea that all linux users know how to replace a hard drive, upgrade ram, reformat a disk or whatever needs to stop if linux is to be accepted by the wider community, and not just geeks. 2009/3/4 David King : > It is a real shame that Dell no longer sell the 1525 with Ubuntu. I > bought one for a friend and she loves it. Now it is either a mini laptop > or a much more powerful one, with the mini one being about the same > price as the old 1525. > > Also, off topic, why has Dell gone all American on their UK site, > putting lots of weights of laptops in lbs? Everywhere else vendors are > describing theirs in kilograms. I doubt if I will ever buy a Dell laptop > again. > > > David King > > > Andrew Turner wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Just got myself one of the new Dell Inspiron 15 laptops (unfortunately >> with Vista - they no longer do the Ubuntu pre-installed 1525). Thought >> I'd let the list know that Intrepid runs out out the box with no >> problems (wireless, bluetooth, compiz etc all work without any >> configuration). >> >> I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from >> Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten >> me? >> >> Andrew >> >> > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
It is a real shame that Dell no longer sell the 1525 with Ubuntu. I bought one for a friend and she loves it. Now it is either a mini laptop or a much more powerful one, with the mini one being about the same price as the old 1525. Also, off topic, why has Dell gone all American on their UK site, putting lots of weights of laptops in lbs? Everywhere else vendors are describing theirs in kilograms. I doubt if I will ever buy a Dell laptop again. David King Andrew Turner wrote: > Hello, > > Just got myself one of the new Dell Inspiron 15 laptops (unfortunately > with Vista - they no longer do the Ubuntu pre-installed 1525). Thought > I'd let the list know that Intrepid runs out out the box with no > problems (wireless, bluetooth, compiz etc all work without any > configuration). > > I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from > Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten > me? > > Andrew > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
2009/3/4 Josh Holland : > On 04/03/2009 13:31, Andrew Turner wrote: >> That's true. If the OEM version of Vista is tied into a particular set >> of hardware, can I run it in a virtual machine? I don't want to dual >> boot this shiny new machine ;) > > I'm pretty sure that is explicitly forbidden in the EULA. Not 100% > though. Seriously, does anyone really care? Most licence agreements are completely unenforceable and not binding contracts anyway. OK, so, take your copy, crack it, duplicate it & start selling it on eBay, you are possibly going to get your collar felt. But take your own copy which you've bought and run it on your own machine but not on the bare metal? Who will know, who will care? You're not doing anything illegal or breaking any laws! Myself, for use in VMs, I used to recommend TinyXP (hunt for it on the torrent search engines, e.g. IsoHunt) - but it's run into problems with Windows Genuine Authentication now. Shame, because it was very handy. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat, Yahoo & Skype: liamproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On 04/03/2009 13:31, Andrew Turner wrote: > That's true. If the OEM version of Vista is tied into a particular set > of hardware, can I run it in a virtual machine? I don't want to dual > boot this shiny new machine ;) I'm pretty sure that is explicitly forbidden in the EULA. Not 100% though. -- Josh Holland -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
On 04/03/2009 13:31, Andrew Turner wrote: >> You could use it yourself for testing. For example tools like wubi >> (windows ubuntu installer) and the live installer which allows >> migration of data from Windows partitions to Linux partitions could >> all do with testing :) >> > > That's true. If the OEM version of Vista is tied into a particular set > of hardware, can I run it in a virtual machine? I don't want to dual > boot this shiny new machine ;) > Nope, chances are it'll detect that it's not the right hardware and ask to activate. You *MAY* be able to convince Microsoft to give you a valid key (I'm not sure what their policy of virtualisation of the OS on the original machine is) but I wouldn't hold my breath. By all means, give it a try, if anything you'd get 30 days grace anyway to be able to do any testing before the activation is forced. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
2009/3/4 Andrew Turner : >> You could use it yourself for testing. For example tools like wubi >> (windows ubuntu installer) and the live installer which allows >> migration of data from Windows partitions to Linux partitions could >> all do with testing :) > > That's true. If the OEM version of Vista is tied into a particular set > of hardware, can I run it in a virtual machine? I don't want to dual > boot this shiny new machine ;) > I don't own any machines that have an OEM Vista license so I don't know. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
> You could use it yourself for testing. For example tools like wubi > (windows ubuntu installer) and the live installer which allows > migration of data from Windows partitions to Linux partitions could > all do with testing :) That's true. If the OEM version of Vista is tied into a particular set of hardware, can I run it in a virtual machine? I don't want to dual boot this shiny new machine ;) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
2009/3/4 Andrew Turner : >> Nope, unfortunately OEM Windows licences are tied to the machine. >> You'll often find that OEM keys on branded (i.e. Dell, IBM, Acer etc) >> machines don't work anyway when used with a normal Windows disc. > > In that case, is there an Ubuntu testing team that would be able to > put it to good use? > You could use it yourself for testing. For example tools like wubi (windows ubuntu installer) and the live installer which allows migration of data from Windows partitions to Linux partitions could all do with testing :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
> Nope, unfortunately OEM Windows licences are tied to the machine. > You'll often find that OEM keys on branded (i.e. Dell, IBM, Acer etc) > machines don't work anyway when used with a normal Windows disc. In that case, is there an Ubuntu testing team that would be able to put it to good use? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
Andrew Turner wrote: > Do you know if the EULA allows me to resell it? > Nope, unfortunately OEM Windows licences are tied to the machine. You'll often find that OEM keys on branded (i.e. Dell, IBM, Acer etc) machines don't work anyway when used with a normal Windows disc. The only versions of Windows (and Office for that matter) than you can re-sell these days are retail boxed copies. Microsoft's argument is that the OEM copies are tied to the machine which makes them more money (and is really annoying when a machine dies, you can't transfer the licence). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
Andrew Turner wrote: > Do you know if the EULA allows me to resell it? Good lord, no! It doesn't belong to you: it belongs to Steve Balmer; he's just letting you borrow it, and you musn't mess with it, copy it, sell it or breathe on it heavily! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
Sean Miller wrote: > Deflation in the PC market is alarming. Laptops at £250 in Tesco, > what's that about? Guess it's about the marginal cost per chip when you're producing n*10^6 chips, and the cost of labour in Malaysia? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Do you know if the EULA allows me to resell it? 2009/3/4 Sean Miller : > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Jason Liquorish wrote: >> This is exactly what I got told for my HP laptop, and when I rang MS I >> got told it was HPs problem. Unless you have the time and patients to >> take this as far as possible and you document you removing XP etc. then >> unfortunately I doubt you are going to get far. > > Do you need to provide a stethascope or something to prove you've > patients, or what? ;-) > > Seriously, I wouldn't really bother to try to get a refund for OEM > Windows as (generally) laptops or whatever with Windows installed > seldom cost much more than those without... I would imagine that any > "refund" would be minimal, and there's probably better things to do > with your time. > > PCs have virtually become disposable entities these days. I have a > friend who runs a PC repair shop and he's struggling because you can > buy a new base unit for about £150 whereas putting in a new > motherboard will probably cost £100 once you factor in labour -- it > simply isn't worth repairing the things. When you've paid £1,000 for > a PC it's worth it, if you've only paid £200 it just ain't. > > Deflation in the PC market is alarming. Laptops at £250 in Tesco, > what's that about? > > Sean > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Jason Liquorish wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > mac wrote: > >> Jon Reynolds wrote: >> >>> Well I will be very interested to see how you get on with this, if you >>> follow it up. >>> >> Yes, indeed, do let us know. You may have to go back to Microsoft, >> though: I've certainly seen reports that when people have tried to get >> refunds from PC or laptop makers/suppliers, they have sometimes been >> told that they bought a package that was clearly described as >> 'XYZ-laptop with Win XP installed', and as these were in fact the goods >> supplied they could not have a refund. >> >> > > This is exactly what I got told for my HP laptop, and when I rang MS I > got told it was HPs problem. Unless you have the time and patients to > take this as far as possible and you document you removing XP etc. then > unfortunately I doubt you are going to get far. > > I read something a while ago about someone trying to get a Windows refund on an Acer. They did it although it was a long winded process which required the owner to send the laptop back to the Acer repair centre so they could remove the licence sticker and confirm the hard drive was wiped. Not sure what the process is with Dells but I'm sure a google search will throw something up (although IIRC the refunds were only something like £30, in my case with my Acer I just kept Vista and I dual boot now - I could have dropped my notebook off to the repair centre which is about 30 miles away from me in Plymouth but I couldn't be bothered with the hassle). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Jason Liquorish wrote: > This is exactly what I got told for my HP laptop, and when I rang MS I > got told it was HPs problem. Unless you have the time and patients to > take this as far as possible and you document you removing XP etc. then > unfortunately I doubt you are going to get far. Do you need to provide a stethascope or something to prove you've patients, or what? ;-) Seriously, I wouldn't really bother to try to get a refund for OEM Windows as (generally) laptops or whatever with Windows installed seldom cost much more than those without... I would imagine that any "refund" would be minimal, and there's probably better things to do with your time. PCs have virtually become disposable entities these days. I have a friend who runs a PC repair shop and he's struggling because you can buy a new base unit for about £150 whereas putting in a new motherboard will probably cost £100 once you factor in labour -- it simply isn't worth repairing the things. When you've paid £1,000 for a PC it's worth it, if you've only paid £200 it just ain't. Deflation in the PC market is alarming. Laptops at £250 in Tesco, what's that about? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mac wrote: > Jon Reynolds wrote: >> Well I will be very interested to see how you get on with this, if you >> follow it up. > > Yes, indeed, do let us know. You may have to go back to Microsoft, > though: I've certainly seen reports that when people have tried to get > refunds from PC or laptop makers/suppliers, they have sometimes been > told that they bought a package that was clearly described as > 'XYZ-laptop with Win XP installed', and as these were in fact the goods > supplied they could not have a refund. > This is exactly what I got told for my HP laptop, and when I rang MS I got told it was HPs problem. Unless you have the time and patients to take this as far as possible and you document you removing XP etc. then unfortunately I doubt you are going to get far. Regards - -- Jason Liquorish - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmuTrUACgkQXWcKKTdi7Qt49ACfV4AclgrWHvWqvlRP7VhHmS06 4sIAmwW2QQRWCw8Ki3G3M3qRWS86DVdB =l4JO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Jon Reynolds wrote: > Well I will be very interested to see how you get on with this, if you follow > it up. Yes, indeed, do let us know. You may have to go back to Microsoft, though: I've certainly seen reports that when people have tried to get refunds from PC or laptop makers/suppliers, they have sometimes been told that they bought a package that was clearly described as 'XYZ-laptop with Win XP installed', and as these were in fact the goods supplied they could not have a refund. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Well I will be very interested to see how you get on with this, if you follow it up. Jon On Wed 04/03/09 08:44 , Andrew Turner acturne...@gmail.com sent: > Just found this in the EULA:- > > "By using the software, you accept these terms. If you do not > acceptthem, do not use the software. Instead, return it to the retailer for > a refund or credit. If you cannot obtain a refund there, contact > Microsoft or the Microsoft affiliate serving your country for > information about Microsoft’s refund policies. See > www.microsoft. > com/worldwide. In the United States and Canada, call(800) MICROSOFT or see > www.m > icrosoft.com/info/nareturns.htm." > > 2009/3/4 Jon Reynolds < > maill...@jcrdevelopments.com>:> > > Ha! I will be amazed if that is true! > > > > Jon > > > > On Wed 04/03/09 08:12 , Andrew Turner acturner > u...@gmail.com sent:> > >> > >> I seem to remember a thread a while back > about getting a refund from>> Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows > - can anyone enlighten>> me? > >> > >> Andrew > > > > > > -- > > ub > untu...@lists.ubuntu.com> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/> > > -- > ub > untu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Andrew Turner wrote: > Just found this in the EULA:- > > "By using the software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept > them, do not use the software. Instead, return it to the retailer for > a refund or credit. If you cannot obtain a refund there, contact > Microsoft or the Microsoft affiliate serving your country for > information about Microsoft’s refund policies. See > www.microsoft.com/worldwide. In the United States and Canada, call > (800) MICROSOFT or see www.microsoft.com/info/nareturns.htm." > > > 2009/3/4 Jon Reynolds : > >> Ha! I will be amazed if that is true! >> >> Jon >> >> On Wed 04/03/09 08:12 , Andrew Turner acturne...@gmail.com sent: >> >> >>> I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from >>> Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten >>> me? >>> >>> Andrew >>> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> >> > > Heh cool reminds me of the hordes of Linux users who went and gave Microsoft a visit asking to be reimbursed for their unused copies of windows (should be on youtube somewhere). -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop
Just found this in the EULA:- "By using the software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, return it to the retailer for a refund or credit. If you cannot obtain a refund there, contact Microsoft or the Microsoft affiliate serving your country for information about Microsoft’s refund policies. See www.microsoft.com/worldwide. In the United States and Canada, call (800) MICROSOFT or see www.microsoft.com/info/nareturns.htm." 2009/3/4 Jon Reynolds : > > Ha! I will be amazed if that is true! > > Jon > > On Wed 04/03/09 08:12 , Andrew Turner acturne...@gmail.com sent: > >> >> I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from >> Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten >> me? >> >> Andrew > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Ha! I will be amazed if that is true! Jon On Wed 04/03/09 08:12 , Andrew Turner acturne...@gmail.com sent: > > I seem to remember a thread a while back about getting a refund from > Microsoft for unwanted OEM copies of Windows - can anyone enlighten > me? > > Andrew -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
